The UK National Health Service just issued a ban on puberty blockers for children. The finally realized what a catastrophe that this leftist mind virus was.
I'm sure the leftist groomers and maps are upset. Now it's time for the USA to do the same.
The UK National Health Service just issued a ban on puberty blockers for children. The finally realized what a catastrophe that this leftist mind virus was.
I'm sure the leftist groomers and maps are upset. Now it's time for the USA to do the same.
Gender dysphoria was not created by the left. It has been around forever and it is not going anywhere.
I agree that minors should not have surgery, but blocking other gender affirming care just increases the suicide rate among transgender children.
You all sound like people back in the 1950's who claimed homosexuality was a mental illness that needed to be "cured'.
Most of us dont give a crap what you do in your own bedroom. Your bizziness and not ours.
BUT, we WILL put a stop to them forcing it up OUR butts or down OUR throuts, so to speak. No we aint gonna celebrate, no we dont wanna go see monkeys jump around in dildo suits, If we want a peep-show, we already know where those types of bars can be found, no we arent going to recognize ya as a choo-choo and no we arent even going to TRY to figure out 7,500, 326 different pronouns then try and guess which is the right one to avoid the temper-tantrums.
Wanna be weird, go be weird, Nobody is stopping ya. Just do it on your own time, money and in your own space. NOT ours.
And leave the kids alone to be kids while they can. They got plenty of time to figure out the sex stuff later in life.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Correction - "You're not stupid."
Now both the statement and the spelling are correct.
Pride Month or not, one should not confuse their homophones.
Thank you for the spelling correction. I always want to be, ... use grammar correctly. You can always be my spelling police. Even though you have not made any headway with rayb. I have learned to always appreciate an opinion. rayb has good, though misguided, thoughts. I like people who challenge what I believe. It gives me introspection.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: You're not a school. No one cares whether or not you respect Pride Month. If you want to fantasize that you're going to defy the law over this, you're going to have to fantasize about invading the Pride Month space in some conspicuous way. Throwing spoiled tomatoes at the Pride Month "whatever"..? Icky, smelly, oozing, mold-covered tomatoes which you brought fresh and then purposely spoiled to make yourself a stockpile.
There are endless possibilities in fantasy life.
Where should I start ? Hmmm, . Your post is all kinds of wrong.
Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, President's Day, Thanksgiving day, Christmas day, New Years day, Valentines day, Labor day, birthday, fudge packing month.
You also are not a school. Defy the law ??? ? You may kiss azz when your overlords tell you to. You exemplify endless possibilities in fantasy life.
Britain’s National Health Service announced on Friday that it would limit the use of puberty-suppressing drugs to children enrolled in clinical trials. The change comes as the agency’s pediatric gender services have struggled to keep up with soaring demand.
A document explaining the N.H.S.’s reasoning stated that “there is not enough evidence to support their safety or clinical effectiveness as a routinely available treatment.”
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The change is part of a broader push in several countries to limit gender-related medical treatments for young people.
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a British study of Tavistock [N.H.S. gender clinic] patients published in 2021 showed that blockers had no effect on children’s scores on psychological tests. The study found that 43 out of the 44 participants later chose to start testosterone or estrogen treatments. One interpretation of the data is that all were good candidates for hormone therapy. But the numbers raised concerns at the N.H.S. about whether the drugs served their intended purpose of giving adolescents time to think.
“The most difficult question is whether puberty blockers do indeed provide valuable time for children and young people to consider their options, or whether they effectively ‘lock in’ children and young people to a treatment pathway,” Dr. Hilary Cass, the pediatrician overseeing the independent review of the N.H.S. gender service, wrote last year.
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The N.H.S. is organizing a clinical trial for all children [currently?] receiving puberty blockers from the health service, which it expects will begin enrollment in 2024.
Gender dysphoria was not created by the left. It has been around forever and it is not going anywhere.
I agree that minors should not have surgery, but blocking other gender affirming care just increases the suicide rate among transgender children.
You all sound like people back in the 1950's who claimed homosexuality was a mental illness that needed to be "cured'.
Your claim is completely false. The UK National Health Service has one of the most extensive data collection on health and they are not profit or politically motivated. They found puberty blockers increased suicide. That's why they ended it.
No one cares if you want to be transgender or who you want to have sex with or if your entire identity is around sexual political labels, or if you want to amputate limbs, so long as you are an adult and don't forcefully apply that to minors.
I'm all for not discriminating anyone based on sexual or gender orientation. Transgender adults should not be descrimated against, as all adults should be equal under the law applied evenly to everyone. No special privileges for anyone nor unequal treatment.
Also, if you want to jump into the political sphere and play mud slinging, get ready to be offended via the freedom of speech. One thing leftist try to do is place laws banning speech. I'm not ok with that.
And we all know groomers, pedophiles and maps are out there and want to exploit children. There are millions of adults like this and each one of them are leftist in political persuasion.
Not all leftist are groomers, pedophiles and maps, but all those that are identify as one are leftist. So inferences can be made.
Nothing personal and I have no issues with real transgender people. In fact one of my good college friends was trans and real trans too, not the pretransgenders who only identify that way because of politics and thinking they get oppression and sympathy points, only to reverse themselves when they get a little older.
Last post from me to you as I know you are a plant account and have nothing to do with Fieros.
Originally posted by Wichita: The UK National Health Service has one of the most extensive data collection on health and they are not profit or politically motivated. They found puberty blockers increased suicide. That's why they ended it.
They have limited the puberty blocker therapies to clinical trials.
Is there an actual reference to back up the assertion (from Wichita) that the use of puberty blockers was seen to be associated with increased numbers or risk of suicide?
If that were factual, I think it might well have been part of the New York Times report that I just posted here (right ahead of Wichita), but it wasn't part of that report.
Here is the B.C. human rights code , and Here is Ontario's version.
Read through them, and you will find they dont just apply to schools or public institutions. Virtually EVERY facet of human interaction is governed by them under the catch-all "contracts" . Even something as simple as a conversation. Does a conversation require mutual consent (yes). Is mutual consent a contract, no matter how informal ? (yes)....So legally you can NOT refuse to talk to a wack-job for being a wack-job. We are real good at finding other "reasons" to circumvent their laws. It's just a fact of life here and has been for 60 years.
Keep in mind too, these commie nutters consider it a "primary law" on par with the constitution. AND that truth or intent is NOT a legal defence.
So if Bubba-Bobby-Sue with the pigtails and Tammy Fae make-up takes a shining to you, you legally cant tell them to pizz off, thats discrimination and hoits their feeewwwwiiinnngggssss. (Again, just watch me)
Ernst Zündel is told by the Canadian Human Rights Commission and its tribunal:
- Truth is not a defence
- Intent is not a defence
- That the statements communicated are true is irrelevant!
Meaning you CANT refuse to use made-up pro-nouns for genders that dont exist. Who cares if the genders are true or not.
So, yeh. **** THEIR COMMIE LAWS !!!!!
A conversation is not a "contract". Not even close. If so then please explain to me how to file a legal action over failure to comply with the terms of a "conversation".
It is interesting to see you make comments about "mental illness" while you seem to suffer from extreme paranoia and delusions of persecution.
And we all know groomers, pedophiles and maps are out there and want to exploit children... each one of them are leftist in political persuasion.
Not all leftist are groomers, pedophiles and maps, but all those that are identify as one are leftist. So inferences can be made.
I have no idea how anyone could rationally be thinking like this.
Is there a database? Some kind of research where known "groomers, pedophiles and maps" were subjected to questionnaires or background investigations to determine whether "of a leftist political persuasion" is a logical way to describe them?
Your claim is completely false. The UK National Health Service has one of the most extensive data collection on health and they are not profit or politically motivated. They found puberty blockers increased suicide. That's why they ended it.
I am sorry, but I just don't believe that is true. Do you have a link? I have seen multiple scientific studies that show a direct correlation between being denied transgender affirming treatment and suicide attempts among minors.
And we all know groomers, pedophiles and maps are out there and want to exploit children. There are millions of adults like this and each one of them are leftist in political persuasion.
Catholic Priests and Mormons are "leftist"?
**NOTE** Official Mormon Church has not endorsed child marriage or plural marriage in over100 years. I am talking about the fringe Mormons.
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Also, if you want to jump into the political sphere and play mud slinging, get ready to be offended via the freedom of speech. One thing leftist try to do is place laws banning speech. I'm not ok with that.
Are "leftist" the ones trying to ban the teaching of Critical Race Theory?
Are "leftists" the ones boycotting stores that say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"?
Are 'leftists" the ones who wanted Colin Kaepernick fired from his job for making a peaceful political protest?
Is it a "leftist" governor in Florida who is trying to destroy a business just because it made political statements he did not agree with?
Am I missing something here ?...I mean besides one is "woke" and the other isnt ? Because it sure looks to me like they are trying to entice new generations of wack-jobs.
You are missing the point that Mulvaney has never claimed to be a pre-pubescent minor.
She has always ctalked about her childhood and claimed to be an adult woman.
Originally posted by Wichita: Your claim is completely false. The UK National Health Service has one of the most extensive data collection on health and they are not profit or politically motivated. They found puberty blockers increased suicide. That's why they ended it.
No one cares if you want to be transgender or who you want to have sex with or if your entire identity is around sexual political labels, or if you want to amputate limbs, so long as you are an adult and don't forcefully apply that to minors.
I'm all for not discriminating anyone based on sexual or gender orientation. Transgender adults should not be descrimated against, as all adults should be equal under the law applied evenly to everyone. No special privileges for anyone nor unequal treatment.
Also, if you want to jump into the political sphere and play mud slinging, get ready to be offended via the freedom of speech. One thing leftist try to do is place laws banning speech. I'm not ok with that.
And we all know groomers, pedophiles and maps are out there and want to exploit children. There are millions of adults like this and each one of them are leftist in political persuasion.
Not all leftist are groomers, pedophiles and maps, but all those that are identify as one are leftist. So inferences can be made.
Nothing personal and I have no issues with real transgender people. In fact one of my good college friends was trans and real trans too, not the pretransgenders who only identify that way because of politics and thinking they get oppression and sympathy points, only to reverse themselves when they get a little older.
Last post from me to you as I know you are a plant account and have nothing to do with Fieros.
several thing at once WRONG WITH YOUR groomers, pedophiles and maps i HAD TO GOOGLE MAP minor attracted person ? how is that different then a pedo or a map or groomer btw bible said 13 is a magic number many states said 16 was good to go or less not long ago groomers were pimps mostly white slavers but working girls
what does your rump delusions of gay hate have to do with fiero's or any car ?
Reality is solved with a simple DNA/Chromosome test.
The rest is mental illness.
So what?
I live in a country that gives extra rights to companies who claim that they really believe there is a magic man in the sky who controls everything for eternity. The most popular news network in my country sales delusions of persecution that even they admit are not always true. Even homosexuality was defined as a mental illness until 1973.
So basically we all have to live in a world full of mentally ill people. I chose to let them do whatever they want as long as it does not affect my rights. I don't feel the need to squeal about my victimhood when a man wants to wear a dress. I don't really care if a man wants to wear a dress and be called "her". I chose to be accepting instead of a jerk who feels that everyone has to behave just like him or else hide in a closet.
All we need to address is the very limited issues of transgender women in sports and public showers. There is no need to start making transgender children suffer without treatment just because some people want to control how everyone dresses.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: It is interesting to see you make comments about "mental illness" while you seem to suffer from extreme paranoia and delusions of persecution.
Got a link? Or any kind of proof? I doubt it. But it doesn't matter. He's been dead since 1929.
Silly me.
When you (rayb) said "con", I read "convict". Of course I didn't find zhit to back that up. (My Google is fine when I'm searching for the correct thing. But, in retrospect, I should have wondered why that was an issue for you, anyway.)
Of course, you meant "conservative". Which is perfectly fine with me. Think I'll grab a case of Coors, next time I'm at the store. Hate on.
Edit - for clarity.
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When you said "con", I read "convict". Of course I didn't find zhit to back that up. (My Google is fine when I'm searching for the correct thing. But, in retrospect, I should have wondered why that was an issue for you, anyway.)
Of course, you meant "conservative". Which is perfectly fine with me. Think I'll grab a case, next time I'm at the store. Hate on.
The left makes little use for "proof". If truth held any sway, there would be very few leftists.
Instead, one might say, "Santa Claus wears a red suit" and the rest would debate the color of his suit, without ever questioning the identity or motive of the bearded home invader.
If truth held any sway, there would be very few leftists. Instead, one might say, "Santa Claus wears a red suit" and the rest would debate the color of his suit, without ever questioning the identity or motive of the bearded home invader.
Simply due to the color of his suit, the usual suspects here would identify Santa as a leftist.
The far right motto, used among themselves - KISS... Keep it simple, stupid! Makes it easier for them to deal with issues. See it demonstrated here all the time, often with brain-dead memes.
Mulvany is NOT a she. Period. No matter how delusional IT or the entire world gets.
Male or female DNA ? (male) Male or female skeleton ? (male) Y chromosome present ? (yes)
Issue closed. Not a she. Anybody claiming otherwise is delusional, retarded, gaslighting, or all 3.
You just don't get it. 99.9% of the people you meet in your life you are never going to see their genitals or birth certificate. People should be FREE to assume whatever identity they want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.
If you were to meet Hulk Hogan in person would you start pitching a little squealy fit about how he wasn't really "Hulk Hogan" and that since he was born with the name "Terry Bollea" that is the only name you would ever use for him?
The only issues I have trouble with are transgender women in sports and public showers. Other than that I don't see why anyone cares how another person dresses. I don't believe in restricting FREEDOMS without a practical reason.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: You just don't get it. 99.9% of the people you meet in your life you are never going to see their genitals or birth certificate. People should be FREE to assume whatever identity they want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.
If you were to meet Hulk Hogan in person would you start pitching a little squealy fit about how he wasn't really "Hulk Hogan" and that since he was born with the name "Terry Bollea" that is the only name you would ever use for him?
The only issues I have trouble with are transgender women in sports and public showers. Other than that I don't see why anyone cares how another person dresses. I don't believe in restricting FREEDOMS without a practical reason.
No YOU dont get it...It's not a debate, discussion, or negotiation. It's an enforcement action of MY rights and MY freedoms in MY life.
When they start dictating what I will and will not accept, what words I will or will not use, MY opinions to ME....then it's time for some fag hunting. The ONLY thing they are in charge of or in power over is their own genitals, and I doubt that one too.
I've beyond had it with their marxist power-trip. I dont give a **** what they want, like or offends them. Go be a wacko somewhere else. On their own, or I'll put them there. Choice is theirs. Same choice Muzzies and their pork bans have. Go ban it somewhere else. They are dictating exactly 2 things. Jack and sheet, and Jack went for ammo.
It NOT up to them to decide in MY life, it's up to me. And I DONT take kindly to being pushed around about it. I will decide, not them.
IOW....
WHAT PART OF "NO", WHAT PART OF "NOT WELCOME", WHAT PART OF "LEAVE" ARE THEY TOO ****ING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND ???????
As for the corporations and brands shoving this crap in our faces. My money, my choice. I'm sure the left will agree with that sentiment.
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I'll bet that is largely a result of the Mexican/Americans who used to drink Bud Light.
Modelo Especial never made much of an impression on me, but Negra Modelo is not bad at all. It is what I usually order at a Mexican restaurant.
I prefer dark beer and this is one of my favorite commercial varieties. Even Modelo is better than Bud Light IMO. I would be quite happy if Bud disappeared from the market since I do not like the taste at all.
No YOU dont get it...It's not a debate, discussion, or negotiation. It's an enforcement action of MY rights and MY freedoms in MY life.
I still do not get your point. How does another persons gender identity restrict your freedoms?
Since I don't speak caveman, maybe answering this question will help me understand why your can't stop squealing.
If a person introduces themselves and say they use the pronoun "they" a woke prson will refer to them as "they". So what does a freedomlover like yourself do? Grab the persons crotch? Pull down their pants or raise the skirt? what steps do you take to "protect your freedom" in this situation?
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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
WHAT PART OF "NO", WHAT PART OF "NOT WELCOME", WHAT PART OF "LEAVE" ARE THEY TOO ****ING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND ???????
These are the questions I should be asking you. Civilized society is about accepting other peoples beliefs as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. The people who are "not welcome" in today's society are knuckle dragging homophobic fag haters who think they own the world and get to decide who is welcome and who is not. It used to be blacks that were not welcome by your kind.. Now it is Muslims and Mexicans and the LGBTQ community. But fortunately history has proven that you are on the losing side. Society is moving forward, not backward.
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These are the questions I should be asking you. Civilized society is about accepting other peoples beliefs as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. The people who are "not welcome" in today's society are knuckle dragging homophobic fag haters who think they own the world and get to decide who is welcome and who is not. It used to be blacks. Now it is Muslims and Mexicans and the LGBTQ community. And history has proven that you are on the losing side. Society is moving forward, not backward.
Tell them goody for you and MY pronoun is "goodbye" and walk away. If they try to follow, my pronoun get more hostile in stages as required.
You still aint getting it. We DO have an absolute right to refuse anyone we choose, for whatever reason we choose.
No, we do NOT have to respect those beliefs. We have to respect their right to have them, but we do NOT have to accept, support, condone, participate in, or follow them. The right to free speech is not the right to an audience. The right to an ideology or belief is not the right to followers. Lefties seem to have a real problem understanding that.
As for that Marxist, inclusive, equal, commune thing you call a "civilized society".....
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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: You still aint getting it. We DO have an absolute right to refuse anyone we choose, for whatever reason we choose.
Who is "we"?
And what can you exclude them from?
You are actually powerless. Not enough people agree with you to change laws and you are too weak to take anything by force.
All you can do is squeal about how much it hurts you.
. Your post is all kinds of wrong.
? You may kiss azz when your overlords tell you to.
