With help from the CEO of Forward Dining Solutions, who speaks from his experiences as a restaurant chef, CNN's Kirsi Goldynia cuts through the half-backed, reactionary sentiment and anti-science gaslighting that is quietly encouraged by the natural gas industry and its lobbyists.
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It wasn’t until [Chef Chris] Galarza happened to take a job in an all-electric kitchen and his symptoms disappeared that he started connecting the dots between his health and the gas stoves he had been accustomed to using.
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In 2019, Galarza founded Forward Dining Solutions, a culinary consultancy dedicated to helping companies create fully-electric kitchens. As cities from coast to coast—including Berkley, San Francisco, New York City—have slowly started banning natural gas stoves in new buildings, Galarza has been there to not only help ease the transition to electric, but to educate chefs on why it is the way of the future.
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“It’s not true at all that gas stoves cook better,” he says. “In fact, you can cook about 38.6 pounds of food per hour with your gas range, and it’s going to take time and elbow grease to clean and degrease it afterward. With [electric] induction, you can cook 70.9 pounds of food per hour—nearly double the amount of food—and your clean up is going to be a lot easier.”
With help from the CEO of Forward Dining Solutions, who speaks from his experiences as a restaurant chef, CNN's Kirsi Goldynia cuts through the half-backed, reactionary sentiment and anti-science gaslighting
Translation: Leftist media uses wheezing cook who doesn't understand the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy and on the basis of that ignorance started an electric skillet club to promote his anti-science conflation.
Leftists gotta Leftist ...because correlation and causation are the same thing when there's a Marxist narrative to push
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During my 27 years as a truck driver, from the '70s through the '90s, I spent plenty of time in and around warehouses. The preferred power for forklifts that operated in enclosed spaces was gas (natural or propane) because it was a relatively safe and clean fuel. Battery technology was limited at the time and only used in very small forklifts.
There are a lot of people who worked in distribution or industrial jobs who spent ten or twelve hours a day, five or six days a week, for most of their lives in enclosed environments with CNG/Propane machines. I suppose they are all dead now, huh?
The advantage of a gas stove is that the heat can be changed instantly and precisely. Outside, a gas grill is just much more convenient than wood, charcoal, pellets, etc. You rode a horse, once. Have you ever grilled a slab of dead cow? Do you even know what mesquite smells like?
My guess would be that the "ban gas stoves" story was a trial balloon, much like the Supreme Court leak or the "ministry of truth". I believe that they fully planned to implement it if they had not gotten such a huge amount of pushback.
There are other illustrations like this, in a new article from the Washington Post, written for homeowners and renters who have gas-fired kitchen cooking ranges.
One for good measure...
And one for the road:
That's just 3 of the 10 illustrations that comprise this marvelous modern living guide.
"Worried about your gas stove? This comic will show you other ways to cook." Allyson Chiu and Christine Suggs as in "Sugg(estion)s" for the Washington Post; February 10, 2023. https://www.washingtonpost....debate-safety-comic/
An 8-minute read and it's all good. Here's how it ends:
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For those who want to make the switch [from gas to electric], the options are increasing by the day, and the Inflation Reduction Act includes incentives to help pay for non-gas options.
Rachelle Boucher, an induction stove expert and former personal chef, has a favorite trick she calls the “pasta water” test: She brings potential buyers into an induction stove showroom and puts a pot of water on to boil.
It “happens so fast their eyes turn into saucers,” she says.
Professional chef Jon Kung loves induction, even for super-high-heat wok cooking—a style some feared wouldn’t work without gas. Working in high-end kitchens in China, he saw induction everywhere: it provided “better safety, better comfort, and just a more reliable and cleaner technology,” he says.
He just remodeled his home kitchen all-electric. “I love it,” he says.
Saucers... get it? In a kitchen?
"Jill and I have already decided to replace that gas-fired kitchen range--you may have seen a photograph--with an induction unit."
I just made that up. Click to show
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I have to say, the fact that they had to put this into a cartoon, just shows the kinds of people we're dealing with.
I'm sorry... people pay big money to have access to gas. Literally, all the luxury neighborhoods have it, and most higher-end middle class neighborhoods have it. It's considered a luxury. If I didn't know any better, I would believe that Democrats are INTENTIONALLY limiting options to everything, and intentionally moving society to a homologated supply so that they can better control society.
Telling people that the modern gas stove is dangerous, is like saying saying standing next to a running car is bad for you. I can think of no reasonable argument for why anyone should listen to this nonsense. If we should learn ANYTHING about this "episode," is that we can see how quickly Democrat loyalists fall in line whenever the radical-left establishment lets out a fart.
Immediately following the announcement that the Biden administration wanted to eliminate gas, nearly every Democrat friend that I have, was suddenly telling me how horrible natural gas stoves were. This magically... over night... became like the most important thing in the world. They started sending me studies, and telling me all about how it causes cancer, and people are dying from having gas stoves at home... you name it. Like, if the Biden Administration said that Jihadists needed equal access to Cheese Pizza, this would be the next big crisis and they'd be sending me e-mails and "studies" on how pizza is intentionally limited near jihadist regions because of racism.
I think honestly, we need to study, not only the mass-psychosis that we clearly saw, but how this was able to be so quickly spread amongst Democrat supporters.
There's either two things going on: 1 - Democrats are insanely retarded and gullible, and are desperately looking for "the next thing" they're supposed to support, or... 2 - There is a dissemination effort that transcends simple media response, but a coordination that reveals a manipulative agenda for society.
So please tell me which you think it is? This is a serious question.
I don't know if that cartoon-style "work up" is something that was created especially for the reporters at the Washington Post, where I saw it, or if it comes from Rewiring America, which has this on their "About Us" page:
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Rewiring America is the leading electrification nonprofit, focused on electrifying our homes, businesses, and communities. We develop accessible, actionable data and tools. Rewiring America helps Americans save money, tackle nationwide emissions goals, improve health, and build the next generation of the clean energy workforce. We believe in an abundant, flourishing, climate-safe future, and know that, together, we can realize one.
Gas kitchen ranges and ovens are known to emit all of these substances into the air of home and commercial kitchens:
Nitrogen dioxide. Methane. PM2.5, which is particular matter—granular carbon or "soot"—of 2.5 microns or less. Toluene. Benzene. Hexane. Formaldehyde. Carbon monoxide.
You wouldn't let an old fashioned, diesel powered truck or bus drive through your home. Why would you want to have a gas-fired kitchen range or oven? A question worthy of any modern day-Socrates, indeed.
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I have to say, the fact that they had to put this into a cartoon, just shows the kinds of people we're dealing with.
The Leftist media fully understands that the sheep they shovel propaganda to are indeed at the intellectual level of children.
Children for whom words can be "violence" and "safe spaces" are necessary.
Children for whom the climate is "settled science" but also believe that men can become women and vice-versa.
Children who will gleefully parrot any nonsense as long as it has a ridiculous pseudo-scientific"study" referenced to it that they cannot possibly comprehend but lends some imagined "authority" that they can wield like a rhetorical weapon.
We are now faced with at least two generations of profoundly ignorant "mental children" in adult bodies who are also bereft of critical thinking skills or a sense of self-reliance.
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If you don’t have asthma or another respiratory condition, pollutants from your stove are probably not causing you acute harm—especially if you are using it right, says [Rima Habre, an indoor air quality expert at the University of Southern California.]
That means opening windows whenever you cook; putting pans on the back burners and turning an outdoor-venting extractor fan on every single time you light a burner; and avoiding long cooking times on stovetop or in a gas-powered oven.
But most of us aren’t using them perfectly, or even close. Tests in California homes showed that even code-compliant fume extractor hoods remove only about half of stove-caused NO2 pollution—and most people don’t turn on their fan every time they use the stove.
For those who want to make the switch, the options are increasing by the day, and the Inflation Reduction Act includes incentives to help pay for non-gas options.
For Democrats... this wasn't important to you until you were told it was important.
Using natural gas in stoves... isn't like taking lead out of paint, or asbestos out of insulation and ceiling and flooring materials.
This is something that we've been using for 100s of years. It is completely nonsense... and the technology on these newer stoves is significantly better than they used even 20 years ago, and the gas is cleaner still than what we used to pipe into homes.
In terms of their history, you should have gas-fired kitchen ranges and ovens on about the same timeline as the use of asbestos for insulating buildings, with both becoming common starting at or shortly after the beginning of the 20th century or the 1900s. Commercial-scale production of asbestos insulation started in 1879. The first gas stove factory dates back to 1836, but the Sears catalog of 1900 did not list any gas-fired kitchen ranges or ovens—they were still uncommon.
Lead paint, however, is a different story, so let's have another edition of "Rinse's Excerpts":
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Unbeknownst to many [in our time], lead paint was being produced as early as the 4th century BC. Specifically, the paint color lead white was popularized by artists and laborers due to its thickness, density, and opacity. . . .
Despite its growing popularity in both interior and exterior settings, there are some medieval texts that warned against the dangers of the paint, claiming it could lead to “apoplexy, paralysis, or epilepsy.” . . .
In the early days of its use, cans of lead-based paint could contain up to 70% lead, which is an absolutely insane percentage by today’s standards. . . .
The widespread use of lead paint continued across the Americas and Europe. It was popularized during colonial times for use on interiors and exteriors of homes, due in part to its durability. In the United States, the peak of lead paint use was in the 19th century. . . .
By the 1920s, more and more consumers were becoming aware of the health and environmental concerns surrounding lead paints. Use throughout Europe began to taper off, but in America, the transition away from lead-based paints took much longer. . . .
Perhaps one of the most interesting anecdotes comes from Ben Franklin. Reportedly, he wrote to a friend in as early as 1786 to warn about the dangers of lead and specifically lead paint. However, it would be almost exactly 100 years later that the first legal actions were taken to reduce lead exposure. . . .
Surprisingly, for such an industrialized and developed country, the United States did not conform to lead-based paint standards like other countries until the late 20th century.
In 1971, the U.S. Congress banned the use of lead-based paints in any newly built residential or commercial buildings, but only if they were constructed using federal funding or assistance.
It wasn’t until seven years later, in 1977, that the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission finally banned the use of lead-based paint completely in residential and public properties. This is also when the use of lead paint in toys and furniture was banned in the United States. . . .
With time being short, I am omitting my usual reference citations.
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This poor young Leftie lass is a babbling idiot.....
....just the kind of babbling idiot to preach anti gas stove propaganda to other Leftists.
As I said:
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Originally posted by randye:
The Leftist media fully understands that the sheep they shovel propaganda to are indeed at the intellectual level of children.
We are now faced with at least two generations of profoundly ignorant "mental children" in adult bodies who are also bereft of critical thinking skills or a sense of self-reliance.
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Don't be misled by that bizarre screed, as the National Geographic article from Alejandra Borunda draws on the expertise of others, particularly Dr. Rima Habre, an Associate Professor of Population and Public Health Sciences at the University of Southern California, whose research focuses on indoors air quality and how to protect people from airborne contaminants that are common in homes.
Odds are you don't have a subscription for National Geographic online, but you can likely see this article as a "freebie", if you are especially keen on this topic.
For those who want to make the switch [from gas to electric], the options are increasing by the day, and the Inflation Reduction Act includes incentives to help pay for non-gas options. . . .
Professional chef Jon Kung loves [the electric induction cooking technology], even for [super high heat, wok-style] cooking—a style some feared wouldn’t work without gas. Working in high-end kitchens in China, he saw induction everywhere: it provided “better safety, better comfort, and just a more reliable and cleaner technology."
He just remodeled his home kitchen all-electric. “I love it.”
Eddy Currents does all the work, while you chill out. The beauty of an electric induction cooking range.
"Your kitchen is important. Don't fall for the gas industry's gaslighting!"
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Brady Seals is a manager in RMI’s (Rocky Mountain Institute's) Carbon-Free Buildings program, where she works at the junction of air quality, buildings and human health.
After graduating with a B.A. in Globalization (2008) from Gettysburg College and working on various projects of global interest, Ms Seals earned a Master's Degree in Business Administration (2018) from the Beacom School of Business at the University of South Dakota.
As a guest author for Canary Media, Ms Seals has just gone public with a blockbuster exposé on the human toll from the unhealthy indoor air contaminants that spew in abundance from gas-fired cooking ranges and ovens.
Ms Seals is part of an ever-growing chorus that is singing the praises of electric induction as the cooking technology of the future that is already ready for prime time today.
"Gas stoves are a health hazard—and induction stoves just work better"
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Air-quality expert Brady Seals sums up decades of research and dispels some persistent myths.
Replacing gas appliances is going to cost a lot of money, but hey its not the governments money is it. Of course not the government has no money, they make nothing.
The “green new deal” might very well be the mechanism by which we will all be drawn into the new feudalism. You will own nothing and you will like it, or else.
Baby steps, remember it is a progressive plan. Sooner or later, the government will decree that you replace all of your appliances, your windows, your insulation and your car. And all at rapidly increasing prices. Can’t afford it, you say? You should have done it when we told you to, like a good citizen.
But that’s OK, Uncle Sam will loan you the money. You will be indebted for the rest of your life of indentured servitude. Still don’t want to do it? Then just pay ever increasing taxes on all of your evil possessions.
Eventually, you wont be able to keep up. You will have to sell your worldly goods. Then you can rent and ride the bus. Step out of line and you will be banned from the bus and will not pass a background check to be approved for subsidized government housing. But I’m sure there will be a labor camp that you might qualify for.
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Replacing gas appliances is going to cost a lot of money, but hey its not the governments money is it. Of course not the government has no money, they make nothing.
I've "gone big" on this topic, but I have not (yet) come across the research that explores the tradeoff between the expense of replacing gas stoves that are already in use with electric, against the reduction in national health care costs from having fewer cases of asthma and the other respiratory and other ailments that are attributable to gas stoves through the research that's already been published.
It might be online, but I haven't encountered it. I haven't purposely searched for it.
I've "gone big" on this topic, but I have not (yet) come across the research that explores the tradeoff between the expense of replacing gas stoves that are already in use with electric, against the reduction in national health care costs from having fewer cases of asthma and the other respiratory and other ailments that are attributable to gas stoves through the research that's already been published.
It might be online, but I haven't encountered it. I haven't purposely searched for it.
Here are the results we need and a grant to find them. Remember when eggs were bad for you?
Seriously, this is like the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard in my life. I've really about had it with this stupid **** ... I mean it. I cannot get over how completely retarded the Democrats have gotten. I'm sure not everyone is a total moron, but the **** that gets pushed around today. Why is this something they're even worrying about right now?
Look at all the problems that are going on right now... the vast majority of which have been DIRECTLY caused by the Biden administration. Even the war in Ukraine, the vast majority of America polled said that they believed Putin would not have attacked Ukraine, had Trump still been president. And even if you don't want to believe that it would be true... Biden still could have amassed troops and weapons in Ukraine well before the attack happened... you know, when they started amassing troops in March of 2021 on the border, and Biden did nothing for the entire year of 2021.
Even the spy balloons... Biden waited until he was busted and only then did he do something. His entire administration runs on ultra-liberal focus-groups that are terrified... absolutely terrified of making decisions. Every decision means a political ramification, which only means one thing, they will ALWAYS make the wrong decision, the first time, every single time... sometimes we don't get second chances, like with his actions in Afghanistan.
I'm just beside myself with how stupid this administration is... I mean, completely... completely retarded, to the truest sense of the word. The guy is a ****ing idiot. I've never seen someone so wildly incompetent, completely oblivious, and terrified of making a decision. Even at his best... maybe 20 years ago, he was still a complete fool.
I can't wait for 2024 so this moron can finish up his last days in retirement, and not in the white house.
I honestly cannot point to a SINGLE thing... not a single thing he's done that has been actually GOOD for the United States. Can anyone point to anything? This is a serious question. And Rinse, please do not post a MEME image from Twitter that lists 100 things, 90% of which belong to Trump (like building a new intel plant in the U.S.), or things that are grossly misrepresented (like, he stopped COVID or some nonsense).
I don't think it's all that surprising that gas-fired kitchen ranges and ovens are being scrutinized in terms of their adverse affects on humans. (And pets. Let's not forget Fido.)
Every gas-fired cooking range is a fire that's burning inside of a home, apartment, or a hotel or restaurant kitchen.
How many other fires do people use and depend on inside of their homes?
Fireplaces. Gas-fired water heaters. And..? Is there anything else, really, that's comparable, in terms of a chemical combustion process inside of homes and apartments?
I don't think of myself as being "Rad-Left" (radically leftist) about this. I think there has to be a weighing of the pros and cons... the "tradeoffs"... including what's at stake in terms of economic activity and in terms of personal and government revenues and outlays. The money of it. The "Benjamins".
I think in terms of a gradual phasing out of gas-fired kitchens, and I'm not against government lending a hand in this matter.
"The Best Induction Ranges of 2023" Lily Hartman, Ceara Perez-Murphy, Lindsay D. Mattison, and James Aitchison for USA Today "Reviewed"; February 20, 2023. https://reviewed.usatoday.c...est-induction-ranges
Edited to add: Gas-fired dryers for home laundry. And gas furnaces and air conditioners. OK, I shouldn't have overlooked that. But I think the placement of gas-fired cooking ranges inside of kitchens sets them apart from these other gas-fired appliances, and from fireplaces.
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How many other fires do people use and depend on inside of their homes?
Fireplaces. Gas-fired water heaters. And..? Is there anything else, really, that's comparable, in terms of a chemical combustion process inside of homes and apartments?
I don't think of myself as being "Rad-Left" (radically leftist) about this. I think there has to be a weighing of the pros and cons... the "tradeoffs"... including what's at stake in terms of economic activity and in terms of personal and government revenues and outlays. The money of it. The "Benjamins".
I think in terms of a gradual phasing out of gas-fired kitchens, and I'm not against government lending a hand in this matter.
Again, let's look at this critically. We are in a mad-rush to decriminalize drugs, of pretty much all kinds... which clearly are immeasurably bad for us both physically, emotionally, and economically... and yet, we are super-focusing on gas stoves, of which there is no actual concrete evidence showing that it causes harm ... other than some garbage studies that show that old run-down apartments in crack town, that happen to also use gas, have a higher propensity for their occupants to have cancer.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Again, let's look at this critically. We are in a mad-rush to decriminalize drugs, of pretty much all kinds... which clearly are immeasurably bad for us both physically, emotionally, and economically... and yet, we are super-focusing on gas stoves, of which there is no actual concrete evidence showing that it causes harm ... other than some garbage studies that show that old run-down apartments in crack town, that happen to also use gas, have a higher propensity for their occupants to have cancer.
I think you are grossly mischaracterizing the research, which correlates gas-fired kitchen ranges and ovens with higher incidences of childhood asthma (in particular) and other respiratory and cardiovascular symptoms.
It's not just a statistical correlation. The air contaminants have been measured by going into homes with gas-fired kitchens and analyzing air samples. Anyone could scroll back through this thread to see exactly how the air contaminants are named and described.
Who is "super-focusing" on gas stoves? It's the people who want to exploit this who are super-focusing on gas stoves. The demagogues who want to foment populist pro-gas and gas-supremacy sentiment and channel it against the Democrats as a wedge issue.
I'm looking forward to Congressional committee hearings which will be televised on C-SPAN. I won't see them, but perhaps I will see news reports about it. Let the researchers describe their methods, how they establish a control or baseline using homes that have electric kitchens but are otherwise similar to the homes with gas cooking ranges, and how they collect the relevant medical data to assess the impacts.
Lower income families can discourage their children from using "recreational" drugs, but they can't discourage their children from having an appetite for hot, freshly-prepared meals.
Originally posted by rinselberg: Lower income families can discourage their children from using "recreational" drugs, but they can't discourage their children from having an appetite for hot, freshly-prepared meals.
Can we also discourage schools from not spreading bs lgbtqabcdefg? Since WHEN are families/parents allowed to raise their children in clown world of USA Today? You speak/type/compute with a forked tongue/half baked TTL chip. Another dodge, duck and weave. Only the elite will have warm meat to cook and eat. Everyone else will eat zee bugs and drink East Palestine OH ground water. We the citizens must pay for the "safe" and "free" clean needles and injection sites. Your Dependswearer In Chief is raising the costs of everything.
I guess we the people can eat the "blade-kill' from the wind farms, and eat the whale blubber from the dead whales washing ashore in areas testing the ocean floor for offshore slice n dicers.
I'm just beside myself with how stupid this administration is... I mean, completely... completely retarded, to the truest sense of the word. The guy is a ****ing idiot. I've never seen someone so wildly incompetent, completely oblivious, and terrified of making a decision. Even at his best... maybe 20 years ago, he was still a complete fool.
I can't wait for 2024 so this moron can finish up his last days in retirement, and not in the white house.
