I have only been at this since Sept 1980. I had heard about a 2 seat Pontiac but in Sept of 1980 was when I bought my first full magazine story on the Little GTO as they then called it. The story was about 98% accurate on what we got. I then started collecting things on the car and got to enjoy watching the roll out in 1984.
I bought my car in July of 1985 and still have it today.
Being there back in the day I got to see things like the GTU and GTP cars race and the PPG cars at the track etc. I also got to collect many items today that are very hard if impossible to find today.
Along the way I got to meet many who were involved with the program too. These are things today I treasure and just add to my enjoyment of the car as I was there for the histrory of it not just the reacounting of it.
I bought my first Fiero in 2002 - 88GT, then in 2004 I decided that it was lonesome and bought my 85GT. In 2010 the real fun began with the 85GT getting an SC3800 AOD drive train.
------------------ RickN White 88GT 5spd (<10K miles) White 85GT (SC3800 Series II w/ AOD) White 99 F250SD 7.3PSD 6spd 1956 Ford 860 Tractor w/ Freeman Loader 20Ft H&H Tilt Bed Trailer (Remember - Gravity is not a tie-down)
Since 1982 when I saw the plans for the car in a Motor Trend mag.
Member of the "Worldwide Fiero Club", which mailed newsletter titled "Fiero News" run by Matt Gruber.
84 Fiero Sport, Red bought Oct 1983 , traded in for 85 85 Fiero SE V6 Red, bought March 5 1985 , traded in for 87 87 Fiero GT Blue Met bought March 12 1987 , still own 87 Fiero Coupe Blue, bought December 12 2004 , sold to JimmyS 88 Fiero Formula Red, bought June 16 2005 , still own, Daily driver, (when not on motorcycle) 88 Fiero Formula TDI, bought June 4 2013. 55 MPG w/ VW Turbo diesel. Srill own. ------------------
What about Rick Stewart? Anyone heard from him in the recent past? He was the first person I know of that was messing with 3800 conversions.
He seemed to fade in and out of existence... Was in for a long time. Disappeared. Came back strong for a long time. Disappeared again?
I spent many an hour talking to Rick at Carlisle and sharing emails. Rick was quite an innovative and creative person. You are correct that Rick was one of the first Fiero owners to install a 3800SC Gen II engine. Except for some minor mount difficulties, Rick did a fine job on the install. A year later he sold the car and embarked on an 'all out" 4.9L Cadillac build. His build thread is here on this forum and his screen name is GT. Last time I saw Rick he told me the results on the 4.9L build were less than stellar so several months after he finished it, he sold that project as well. He was sorry to have sold the 3800. Last I heard (and this is old news) Ricks next project was to be an electric Fiero. I don't know if the project got off the ground or not. Like Randy Agee, Bob Schlag, Denny Lambert, Clint Nichols, Dave Horst, and all of the other "regulars" at Carlisle in the late 90's early 00's , Rick seemed to have dropped out of the hobby. Its a shame to see creative guys like Rick leave the hobby but I'd say he's still out there performing his magic on another brand of vehicle. This is the last email that I had for Rick. firstname.lastname@example.org His location was Silver Spring MD.
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Powerlog manifold, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Flotech Afterburner Exhaust, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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I could also give a long list of names with many gone. Some moved on to other cars, some moved on to a better place if you know what I mean and some still have their cars but just are no as active as they once were for various reasons.
Even with me over the years there are some I would drive my car all the time and then I get years where I just hardly go it out due to the lack of interest or the lack of time due to family. I always hang onto it since I know I will get back into it again the next year.
I fell in love with the car when I first saw it in a magazine back in '82. Still called the P-Car then with a high probability of it becoming the Pegasus. There were a few grainy B&W pics with the lovely pointed front end. Then, when they started building the car across the street from my house, I lived on West Beverly, 2 houses down from the A&W, I knew I had to have one one day. I bought a new Sport Coupe (silver) in '87. Now I have my '86 GT. So, going on 30 years!
I bought my first Fiero back in 1990 (I think). It was 86 SE 4cyl/5-speed car in silver and black (with a luggage rack). I kept that car til about 93 or so...sold it for $2300 plus an 84 base model ...which I spruced up and sold to my cousin for $1200. I was then out of Fieros for a long time ...however I helped my dad with his cars (he had 3 Fieros of his own over those years). It was earlier this summer that I got from him the 87 GT that was his final Fiero...and now mine.
Got my first Fiero in 1990 (Med Red Met 87 coupe w 5 spd) and it was the first car I bought with my own money. Absolutely LOVED it. My dad thought it was a kick since he himself owned a Corvair Monza in burgundy as well. Especially when I opened my trunklid. Had great times with Fieros West and know that they're all still lurking from time to time here. Went on with gf/later wife/then ex-wife who got an 84 SE (that was ugly) on to a 87 coupe automatic while I picked up an 85 GT and replaced the front and back with Formula bumpers. Looked good in black.
My first 87 was given over to the junkyard in the sky after being in two accidents (lady ran the red light first, then a kid in a truck slammed it under another truck on the freeway in traffic.) The 87 Automatic was stolen (had over 300,000 miles recovered in Riverside totally trashed out) and the 85 GT caught fire in storage when the camper next to it had an electrical fire.
Was on Pennocks daily working for West Coast Fieros and drifted away for a while after I started working on airplanes in Palm Springs. Lurking every so often to see what the new blood was doing.
So after a while and pining away for something to tinker with on the weekends I picked up an 87 GT w 5spd with 80k miles. Recently started hearing the tap-taping in the engine so she's going to be going 3.4 just after Christmas.
Yeah, my friends couldn't believe I got another Fiero after all these years.
Got my first Fiero in the summer of 1987. It was an 84SE. The following year it got a brand new motor thanks to the full recall of the 84s.
In 1993 I was planning to sell the 84 to buy a new car and I was looking through the local car classifieds to see what price I might be able to sell my car for. I saw an ad for an 88 Formula which I went to look at and then purchased. 20 years later I still own that car. I don't drive it much, but I sure do enjoy the experience when I take the car out for a spin.
I got my first Fiero in 1987 while I was in high school. It was a 1987 gold 4 cylinder notch back . I got it new off the lot. I sold it in 1996. I promised myself that someday I would buy a 1988 GT if I ever had a chance. Well that chance came in June of 2011 when I bought a red 88 GT. I still have it and intend to keep it. Currently have 45,125 original miles on it. This forum is great and informative.
I first saw a Fiero in Wards Auto World magazine in 1982; a small picture & article about a GM commuter car.
I ordered an SE in Sep1983 & (finally) got it in May 1984. It has over 361,000 kilometers on it now & is in daily use excluding wet salty winter conditions.
While looking for a spare in case the '84 'falls down & can't get up', I saw an '88 Formula on Kijiji in Feb2008 with 5,200 kilometers on it; a showroom condition car - it now has 23,000 kilometers on it. Driven weekly in nice weather only.
Still 'needing' a spare, & thinking a minor restoration project might be fun, I got an '86 2.5L 5 spd coupe in Jan2011 with 107,000 kilometers on it. It has a very solid chassis & primarily needed cosmetic restoration. It also needed the traditional head bolt replacement, & then developed a 'death rattle' that Lucas Oil additive has soothed (to date not including tomorrow...) for 12,000 kilometers. It alternates daily use with the '84.
I got an '87 2.5L 5 spd coupe late in 2011 with 90,000 kilometers on it primarily for the purring engine. Some parts were sold & some used on the other cars. The engine is hanging in the barn waiting to drop into the '86 & the remains were sold recently to a Fiero restorer who is using some of the chassis that isn't rusted away to restore his '84.
Is there a cure for this? Maybe I should take up sailing again...
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I didn't make the list. I got my first in 96. I was one of the first to start powder coating engine parts, and anything thing else I could unbolt. Lots of names from the past. I brought Rick Stewart's 3800, but it had to be dismantled after the rust got to it. The engine will live again, but it has seen some improvements.
I will be back!
85 SE 2M6 "Fiero Addiction" soon to be SC3800 Series II 5-speed
Watched them develop & come out in 83, I have the couple car magizine articles etc. I remember the frenzi & looking at the red and white ones on the dealer floor when they first came out. Not sure exactly why delayed, likley $?, but when the black ones were introduced needed one bad! The one dealer had a base model only am radio etc. I remember trying to get him to fit speakers in headrest etc, because of course one NEEDS that!. No luck. A week or two later valentines day 84 (or just the other day as I recall) drove by a dealer and a black one just rolled off the truck. Bought it the next day 2-15-84. Daily driver till 2009, it sat for ~3 years, now running, working on it plan to put on road 1st of the year "antique". She is in questionable shape but with no air I don't plan on going far.
I grew up in a Pontiac-crazed family. Always loved the idea of a rear-engined Pontiac. For decades, Corvette had threatened to be developing one.... but Pontiac actually did it. The first time I saw a fastback GT was fall of '85 in a Ouray, Colorado motel parking lot. The lines on that red GT, with the new sail panels, were fabulous. When I looked inside, I remember being disappointed to see it only had a 4-speed. When rumors started that a 5-speed was in the works, I was ready to plop down my money. The 5-speeds came out in Summer of 1986 (thus they were called 86 ½). On the order form, I checked every option, including the full suede seats. Mine is red over gray. I have kept her indoors ever since. She has less than 60k miles on her. She may have been designed as a commuter car; bunk! I have a Porsche, 'Vette and other hi-performance rides. My Fiero is by far the most fun car I own. I now live in California. Driving her up and down PCH and San Marcos Pass in CA; through the Million Dollar Highway in CO and across the arroyos of Route-66. My Fiero is the perfect ride. Downshifting into 2nd and powering through a mountain hairpin. It doesn't get much better. Earlier this year, I had her on one of the few speed limitless spots in the U.S. I took my 100% stock Fiero up to 105 mph and she still had more speed in her. The rpm at that speed was not even close to redline at 3,500 (I have the photo to prove it) and the accelerator had room to go. On that tank of fuel, driving at speeds of 75-105, I averaged 29.7 mph! What a wonderful car the Fiero.
Are there any active Fiero Clubs in central California?
I read about the Fiero in car magazines in the early 80's. Saw an 84 in West Germany at the PX and got to talk to the owner. Ordered a 2M6 in Feb of 1985 and took delivery in June of 85 in Charleston SC. It is now my daily driver with 190k miles, original motor and transmission. Was joined by 2 GT's in 2005 and 2006.
I got the bug back in 1984 when they first came out. My Dad talked about the mid-engine tech stuff, that at the time time I had not a clue. (I was 12) Finally in 1988 he brought home a brand new shiny red coupe. I so loved that car at first sight! I was 15. I did many laps around that car in the garage thinking that that car would be mine some day. Well fast forward to 1993. I needed a car. And he got tired of having to get in and out of it. (But in all fairness it was that I REALLY need a car at that time.) So he gave the car to me. I ended up having an out of body experience when he told me that over the phone. I was living in Detroit at the time and Dad was home in Elyria. I drove that car as my daily driver till 2003. My Dad retired and wanted a project. I had just bought the wife at the time a Jeff Gordon Monte Carlo and the Fiero was going to sit considering I was going to be driving the Monte Pace Car. So I reluctantly gave the car back to him. Well he tore it apart then lost interest. He was going to sell it, but I said no. Your not going to sell MY car. So I got it back with intentions on finishing the restoration....Didn't happen. Moved and life happened.
So I always wanted to mod my coupe into some sort of Formula. Well I decided then I would get real original Formula. I looked for quite some time for the right fit, then my son Jaeger found one up for sale on the Fiero Store clasifieds'. Ended up buying it. Here is my Formula thread
I've been using that car as my daily driver since I brought it back out in May. The only things I have done to it is: Tires, upper and lower ball joints, and swaybar endlinks. Oh...can't forget the paint job! I put over 6000 mile on that car since May as my daily driver. What a car! It's going back to hibernation in mid December. I have some things to fiddle around with it, but nothing major.
So YES. Yes I have the bug. I've had it for over 30 years!!!
I got my first one in 94' my second in 95', since then I have had 10, worked on well over 200, done more than 50 engine swaps. Did my first trans swap in 96' Thought I may have had the only 84 5 speed FWD getrag at the time.
About 13 years for me but the first one was a 1986 SE with a F308 rebody. Then I got into Meras and only purchased one conventional Fiero about six years ago. I was supposed to do an engine swap with one of the Meras but ended up selling the car to a friend instead.
I ordered my 85 SE V6 in March, then took delivery in May....I had never driven a stick, but insisted that a sportscar should have a manual.....Ordered it with the 6, the WS6 suspension, and nothing else- it weighs approx 2600. When I was young, my dentist owned a Pantera, and he would drive it when he knew I was coming.....10 years later and my income was coming up while the value of Panteras was dropping, but then I found out about Italian sportscars; Simian driving position, no ventilation, not dependable, expensive to maintain, etc, so I went for the the American alternative...My landlord said that Consumer reports rated it bad on dependability- mainly electrical....hmmm- Can't have problems with what you don't have! No PW, PM, or locks, no A/C....Although the heater fan went intermittent for a week!