Alright, I didn't realize ray b lived in Miami. OK, I take it all back!
We do welcome good debate Yellowstone, and we can count on you for that. I like "talking" with you and maybe someday I'll even get to see you and your Fiero in person!
Ok, alright, back to our regularly scheduled thread subject.... lol
I own page 3 and 4 in a thread about gays..... WTF. lol
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Too bad you aren't secure enough to not flaunt your sexuality. I think it is awfully hypocritical to expect someone to not reference their sexuality while posting pictures of your wife showing her ass. But I have stopped being surprised by your double standards.
I didn't realise somebody else had been posting pictures of my Wife's beautiful bottom Jeff!! Who was it? Ron blackrams? Grrr...I sent them to him privately
For somebody who makes a STRICT point of avoiding my posts.... you certainly pick the good ones
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
I for one no longer want to tolerate this on PFF and for the life of me, I don't understand why anybody would. ... Stan, you are free to share your opinion with everybody on this forum. But if you can't do this without toning down your posts, you are out of here.
Thank you.
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I think the guy is just one Aneurysm away from sitting on top of a building with a sniper riifle shooting everybody who might be either a liberal, gay, Muslim or "illegal". Which in his eyes is everyone who does not agree with his rantings.
I share your concern. His seeming inability for sustained organized thought may be the only remaining obstacle to that scenario.
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there are a lot of closet bigots and racists and misogynists here. and there are people who think he's funny. and rude. and they like that.
I've posted before that in some ways I'm less concerned about Stan than about the people here who seem to take great delight in his bigoted rants. Ignoring his choice of words for the moment, at least you usually know where Stan stands.
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One of the classic symptoms of traumatic brain injury, with which, by his own admission, uhlanstan is afflicted, is loss of normal judgment and self control ... and specifically difficulty with impulse control. If that's correct, then we can charitably view uhlanstan's rants as simply pathological, uncontrolled expression of his internal world view, thoughts and attitudes that others may indeed share with him but choose not to express publicly. That does not excuse his semi-coherent, bigoted rants, but it does partially explain them.
I've said it before: I'm less concerned about uhlanstan than I am about some of the people here who cheer him on.
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stan is most likely enjoying this. he loves the attention. he's probably sitting in his hovel or at denny's smiling at the consternation he's caused among the squeeks and twits.
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stan is most likely enjoying this. he loves the attention. he's probably sitting in his hovel or at denny's smiling at the consternation he's caused among the squeeks and twits.
I wonder where all The Usual Suspects are that usually are quick to jump to his defense, usually by tearing down those that have the audacity to question his right to "express himself" in the way he does. The only difference I can see between this thread and the many others like it, is the absense of these "Usual Suspects", and the fact that this time Mr. Pennock's chose to reprimand the way Stan chooses to "express" himself. Hmmmm.
Can someone please explain to me why all his "friends" are not jumping to his defense? Some of the same one's who have criticized others here SO many times about the lack of character of not taking a STAND for what you believe in. Where are these "pillars of honor" now, when a brother needs them the most?
It's quite disheartening.
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Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
The only difference I can see between this thread and the many others like it, is the absense of these "Usual Suspects", and the fact that this time Mr. Pennock's chose to reprimand the way Stan chooses to "express" himself. Hmmmm.
Daddy wagged his finger...
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Posts: 9115 From: Clear Lake City/Houston TX Registered: Sep 2001
I wonder where all The Usual Suspects are that usually are quick to jump to his defense, usually by tearing down those that have the audacity to question his right to "express himself" in the way he does. The only difference I can see between this thread and the many others like it, is the absense of these "Usual Suspects", and the fact that this time Mr. Pennock's chose to reprimand the way Stan chooses to "express" himself. Hmmmm.
Can someone please explain to me why all his "friends" are not jumping to his defense? Some of the same one's who have criticized others here SO many times about the lack of character of not taking a STAND for what you believe in. Where are these "pillars of honor" now, when a brother needs them the most?
It's quite disheartening.
I had already "jumped" to Uhlanstan's defense once... (its in the thread) I said "He has free speech, but since its cliff's house, I can't save him this time..."
I do not know Uhlanstan personally at all. but if the man wishes to talk, let him. but Cliff has spoken.
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"Practice what you preach" here seems to only apply to the OTHER guy!
I hold everyone here to the same standard I demand of myself.
That isn't hard to best, honestly; but I find it quite frustrating when I let myself down. I can only imagine how these things go inside the average PFFer's head, save for those few who don't carry a fabricated persona around on their back wherever they navigate.
I don't say my way is the best, but I do believe people could stand to lighten up - a lot. Hell, I don't even rate people here, despite my opinion of them... I refuse to let my thoughts on someone else's life/business/politics/persuasion/etc interfere with my daily dealings anywhere. Sometimes, that gets tough when that button is only a click away
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I hold everyone here to the same standard I demand of myself.
Sometimes I think there are those who claim that, but then don't really apply it to themselves at all. It is their "imagined" virtue that they are continually bragging on. The better person they pretend they are. It affords them a certain strength, to judge over others. A strength of character they don't really posess.
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That is the part I have had the hardest time with here. People not being who they really are. This guy talking right now is the same guy you would encounter when you shook my hand. I would speak the same way, joke the same way, and rant & rave about the very same things. There would be absolutly NO difference what-so-ever. I am me EVERYWHERE I go. Even on the nets.
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Originally posted by skuzzbomer: I don't say my way is the best, but I do believe people could stand to lighten up - a lot. Hell, I don't even rate people here, despite my opinion of them... I refuse to let my thoughts on someone else's life/business/politics/persuasion/etc interfere with my daily dealings anywhere. Sometimes, that gets tough when that button is only a click away
Really? I am never even tempted to "rate" some one. No need to, right? If you don't like what they write, don't read it, right? That's what I hear here time & time again. Well, mostly I hear it only when it suits the same person writting it, to be sure!
P.S. none of this is pointed at you, just incase it came off that way. Then again, that don't mean it excludes you altogether, either. Or even me, for that matter!
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That is the part I have had the hardest time with here. People not being who they really are. This guy talking right now is the same guy you would encounter when you shook my hand. I would speak the same way, joke the same way, and rant & rave about the very same things. There would be absolutly NO difference what-so-ever. I am me EVERYWHERE I go. Even on the nets.
Unfortunately, " wearing one's heart on one's sleeve" is derided as 'weak', or self-serving, or something to be avoided at all costs WHY? Got something to hide? To be ashamed of? I share my experiences, my projects, my attempts to do by my SELF, what others would pay others to do, in an effort to make people realise I am no different to them. That I enjoy trying to set an example of Independence; to show others that THEY could do it too. You don't have to be rich to get what you want or need. You can do it by yourself, if you have the confidence ,the desire, and the get-up-and-go, and thereby not be beholden to anybody else, or how much you EARN. I haven't paid anybody a penny to help build our home. I've exchanged favours with people who have something I DON'T, by giving them in return something I DO, that they require. If I had paid for everything I have done myself, by using somebody else's services, I would have to earn gross every year three or four times my income. And yet, I have the same 'riches' as those who do nothing for themselves, and earn three or four times our income There are a few that resent that Independence, and me expressing it. And don't hesitate to remark upon it with harsh words. They don't bother me in the slightest. They chose to translate my posts that way to make themselves feel better about their indolence, their lack of pride, and their insufficiency within themselves. Just as a for instance: This space under the walkway to our front door. It was a mess, and I justified leaving it because we used it to store firewood. But it bothered me every time I looked at it, so I have decided to make it into a proper storage place, with doors to reflect the window shutter design. Dug out the mud and dirt and stones to 24 inches, filled it with building rubble, then 8 inches of concrete. Now I am using up remnants of Steel in making the framework and the doors, and some tongue and Groove boards I rescued from a skip. Tiled it to make it waterproof, which also prevents the damp that was seeping through into the projected new bedroom downstairs. Cost me some back-breaking effort, and a few $'s for extra materials. But the end result would have cost me $750, had I paid somebody else to do it. I am that much richer, when it is finished...but haven't earned a single coin Off topic But heck, it IS my thread
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Really? I am never even tempted to "rate" some one. No need to, right? If you don't like what they write, don't read it, right? That's what I hear here time & time again. Well, mostly I hear it only when it suits the same person writting it, to be sure!
P.S. none of this is pointed at you, just incase it came off that way. Then again, that don't mean it excludes you altogether, either. Or even me, for that matter!
must be nice to be mr perfect.. people make mistakes, say things they wish they never said.. and most times are no different in real life than their typed words.. some can't believe that.. and then we get the post that some act differently on a forum than if at a bar.. not a chance.. the ones that act differently do in real life, when they have their bud's they have a big mouth, when caught alone, they are so so quite
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Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
I am never even tempted to "rate" some one. No need to, right? If you don't like what they write, don't read it, right?
Are you forgetting that there are (supposed to be) positive ratings given out as well?
It galls me somewhat that I (and others of course) can spend a lot of time helping someone in the tech forums and sometimes not even get so much as a "thank-you" (and of course, no positive rating), but heaven forbid if you post something innocuous in O/T which is interpreted as "un-American" or something along those lines. Then the negative ratings come fast and furious.
At one time here I reserved my negative ratings for those IMO who weren't fit to be members of PFF (or of society in general). The positive ratings I gave to other PFF members outnumbered the negative ratings by at least ten to one. And then I looked at the ratings that I had received. It was about 50/50 (and still is). It rather astonishes me that about 145 people or so feel I shouldn't be allowed to post here (if they had their way).
It's unfortunate (as it perhaps shows I've become as judgmental as most everyone else), but I'm not nearly as discriminatory with whom I give a negative rating to any longer. (I might add though that I've still given far fewer negative ratings out than I've received.)
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Originally posted by E.Furgal: must be nice to be mr perfect..
See, I would never (well, maybe almost never) say that to someone. It's sarcastic & antagonistic. And unlike the internet, i'm betting you would never say that to my face. Thank you for proving my point.
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Are you forgetting that there are (supposed to be) positive ratings given out as well?
Yes, that was not what I ment. I give out LOTS of those. It is never becouse I agree with what they say, but more becouse of how they say it.
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At one time here I reserved my negative ratings for those IMO who weren't fit to be members of PFF (or of society in general).
And I always think there is some good in everyone. That they can someday change. The worst I can force myself to do is not rate them (make no judgement) at all. That way, there's always a chance..... Does that make me the eternal optimist for my fellow man?
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I wonder where all The Usual Suspects are that usually are quick to jump to his defense, usually by tearing down those that have the audacity to question his right to "express himself" in the way he does. The only difference I can see between this thread and the many others like it, is the absense of these "Usual Suspects", and the fact that this time Mr. Pennock's chose to reprimand the way Stan chooses to "express" himself. Hmmmm.
Can someone please explain to me why all his "friends" are not jumping to his defense? Some of the same one's who have criticized others here SO many times about the lack of character of not taking a STAND for what you believe in. Where are these "pillars of honor" now, when a brother needs them the most?
It's quite disheartening.
I don't know if id call him friend or not since i don't know him personally, but i at least did raise my hand in support of his continued existence here.
At one time here I reserved my negative ratings for those IMO who weren't fit to be members of PFF (or of society in general). The positive ratings I gave to other PFF members outnumbered the negative ratings by at least ten to one. And then I looked at the ratings that I had received. It was about 50/50 (and still is). It rather astonishes me that about 145 people or so feel I shouldn't be allowed to post here (if they had their way).
I'm really interested to know how you can see what ratings other people have given you? Is this a button or link somewhere?
FWIW, you have had a positive from me for a long time. I rarely... RARELY give negatives. I don't think there's anyone here that actually has a negative from me. If I argue with you, and you put up a good fight, even if I think I'm right... I still give you a positive for the effort. haha...
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And I always think there is some good in everyone. That they can someday change.
The older I get (I'm now 56), the less time I'm willing to wait for people to change for the better.
I guess as I become more and more aware of my own mortality, the less time I'm willing to spend with people who cause me grief. This applies to my socializing on the 'net as well as in the "real" world.
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Posts: 39074 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
I'm really interested to know how you can see what ratings other people have given you? Is this a button or link somewhere?
I wish there was a way to see who gave us what rating, but there isn't. Nothing bothers me more than cowardswho don't even comment in a thread who behind the scenes are stabbing people in the back with negative ratings.
Todd, it's just the ratings bar to the left that supplies the info regarding the ratio (and therefore rough numbers) of positive and negative ratings.
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I wish there was a way to see who gave us what rating.
Me too, as I have always maintained that I just don't see how someone could NOT like me! It's just SO beyond my imagination, and I got one of the biggest ones I know of!
If I knew who these people were, I could help them to like me more. I'm all about THEM, not me!
