quote Originally posted by ray b: edited ? no I just posted government officials and nobel laureate's said about CRA

BWAHAHAHA...Nobel Laureates? Paul Krugman? The man is a laughing stock in the economics field! Hell even OBAMA snubbed him knowing that being associated with him in anyway would be as bad as being associated with the Black Panthers....oh wait.

Jeez rayb, why not just post links to MoveOn.org or the American Communist Party?

quote Jeez rayb, why not just post links to MoveOn.org or the American Communist Party?

www.moveon.org

www.cpusa.org
A better and peaceful world is possible — a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA.

Someone had to do it. lol!! (JOKE)

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quote Originally posted by htexans1: www.moveon.org www.cpusa.org A better and peaceful world is possible — a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA. Someone had to do it. lol!! (JOKE)

WOW...great reading. Easy Answers! Free Money! Peace and Love and it won't cost us a thing. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?

the dude won a nobel have you
also Others have also concluded that the CRA did not contribute to the financial crisis, for example, FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair,[109] Comptroller of the Currency John C. Dugan,[115] Tim Westrich of the Center for American Progress,[116] Robert Gordon of the American Prospect,[117] Ellen Seidman of the New America Foundation,[118] Daniel Gross of Slate,[119] and Aaron Pressman from BusinessWeek.[120]

but I bet you love the austrian school
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_school
those guys are a hoot
economic theory from 1870 and the austro-hungarian empire
btw how is the empire doing today I hear they FELL and are no more
but it gets better and better
they claim no program or any equation can model a market or predict out comes
and support the crazy fail of '' markets know best'' idea
and any attempt to understand the markets will not work according to them
so there dogma is donot try just trust the markets

so I guess no data is your austro-spin on CRA
no numbers to crunch
just WE SAY SO and our DOGMA agrees

quote Originally posted by ray b: the dude won a nobel have you

Harold Demsetz

Dale Jorgenson

Robert Hall

Arnold Harberger (politics is blocking him, IMHO)

Eugene Fama

William Nordhaus

Martin Feldstein

Just a handful of the world's greatest Economists, none of whom won a Nobel Prize and EACH of whom is FAR smarter than Krugman. We all know that the Nobel Prize is not awarded for Merit, it is 100% political....for God's Sake Al Gore, Obama, and Yasser Arifat have Nobel Prizes! Seriously rayb, if you are going to point to an award, at least point to one that has some credibility associated with it.

And let's not forget some of the great supply side thinkers before the Nobel Prize, Arthur Laffer, Adam Smith, and Alexander Hamilton...real dumbies.

Krugman is a nobody.

As for the CRA, Why not read the conclusions of a liberal who had to accept reality:

http://articles.businessins...dards-mortgage-rates

I post nobel winners and high government office holders
quotes on the non-effect of CRA

you counter with a blog
and a blog with out any data
is there a number in the whole blog entry
I saw 1 6% the true % of CRA loans total both red line and low income people outside redline areas total
nowhere did he state the number of CRA loans in default or late or even modified
and as posted before here by me
the total defaults of CRA red line loans is small way under the suburban middle class numbers
and most of the BS loans were not from CRA banks or CRA covered people
or bought by the feds [until the meltdown] but private nonbank loans by CORPs

and even your blog link SAID 75% of the problem was not CRA at all
I think he is low and CRA was a smaller % like the 6 or less real % of loans under CRA
and just an other often repeated BIG LIE

quote Originally posted by ray b: I post nobel winners and high government office holders quotes on the non-effect of CRA you counter with a blog and a blog with out any data is there a number in the whole blog entry I saw 1 6% the true % of CRA loans total both red line and low income people outside redline areas total nowhere did he state the number of CRA loans in default or late or even modified and as posted before here by me the total defaults of CRA red line loans is small way under the suburban middle class numbers and most of the BS loans were not from CRA banks or CRA covered people or bought by the feds [until the meltdown] but private nonbank loans by CORPs and even your blog link SAID 75% of the problem was not CRA at all I think he is low and CRA was a smaller % like the 6 or less real % of loans under CRA and just an other often repeated BIG LIE

It's not a Blog, it is an article in a well known publication. And you did not READ the entire article obviously.

My work here is done. I can lead horses to water but drinking is up to you.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: It's not a Blog, it is an article in a well known publication. And you did not READ the entire article obviously. My work here is done. I can lead horses to water but drinking is up to you.

or you lie was exposed and now you slink away

put up or shut up
how many real CRA loans defaulted total ?
and what % is that of total home defaults
single digits I bet not many in total

quote Originally posted by ray b: or you lie was exposed and now you slink away put up or shut up how many real CRA loans defaulted total ? and what % is that of total home defaults single digits I bet not many in total

I ALREADY HAVE you schmuck. Just becuase you CHOOSE to ignore the facts posted already doesn't mean you win.

Jeez, you must be a fun guy to go to a football game with..."Yeah man, I know the Patriots beat the Dolphins 55 to 6 but I choose not to acknowledge 50 of those points because I disagree with the refs. Woo Hoo, WE WIN...GO FISH! "

Run along rayb. If you are not going to read the link then what's the point of the conversation.

BTW, you want absolute proof? Freddie and Fannie are NO LONGER backing the loans they backed for 30 years. If that is not proof that what they were doing didn't work in your eyes then you are blind.

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This story isn't dead yet.

Forged creation matches Obama's birth certificate
Computer generated file duplicates document released by White House

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=356005#ixzz1b8uzUqXw

quote Researcher Ron Polland, known for his forensic investigation of Barack Obama's short-form birth certificate, now has constructed from scratch a duplicate of the document released by the White House in April, seeking to validate his contention that it was created by a forger. "I created Obama's short-form birth certificate in 2008," Polland told WND, "and now I made Obama's long-form birth certificate." As WND previously reported, Polland has demonstrated that during the 2008 presidential election race, the Obama campaign posted an image of a short-form Obama Certification of Live Birth that actually was a forgery created by Polland, not a scan of an original certificate obtained from the Hawaii Department of Health. "My recreation of the short-form was so convincing, the White House posted it on the White House website, claiming it was the real deal," Polland told WND. "In August 2008, I successfully duplicated the short-form in what I believe is the only way it could have been made. Now I have re-created the long-form with a forgery of my own that I believe most people will find hard to distinguish from the forgery the White House released." Autographed copies of Jerome Corsi's "Where's the Birth Certificate?" are available only from the WND Superstore Polland has worked virtually non-stop for the last two months to deconstruct the long-form birth certificate posted on the White House website to determine precisely how it was constructed. His effort was the first step in the process of producing his own forgery of the Obama birth document. Since April 27, WND has published the analysis and testimony of more than 20 computer and imaging experts who have demonstrated anomalies in the White House-released long-form birth certificate. Some believe the document is a forgery. "To prove to my satisfaction that the long-form birth certificate was forged, I had to understand precisely how each anomaly was created," Polland said, "and then I had to be able to use these techniques to produce a forgery of my own. I had to put myself in the forger's shoes to figure out what he was trying to accomplish and why he made it look the way he did." Polland's standard was that his forgery had to be good enough that most observers would find it hard to tell it apart from the image the White House released. "My results confirm that the PDF document is a one-of-a-kind image forgery meant to resemble a birth certificate document but with flaws and complexities purposely added to lead investigators down blind alleys and dead ends," he said. "In short, this PDF document was never intended to be a genuine copy of an actual Hawaii State certified birth certificate." For comparison purposes, Exhibit 1 shows the long-form birth certificate released by the White House, while Exhibit 2 shows the recently completed Polland forgery. Exhibit 1: Obama long-form birth certificate released April 27 by the White House Exhibit 2: Ron Polland forgery of Obama long-form birth certificate The easiest way to distinguish the Polland forgery from the White House-released document is to observe that the date of the registrar's stamp in Polland's forgery is March 15, 2011, while the date of the stamp in the White House document is April 25, 2011. A PDF file of the Polland forgery is obtainable here. It allows readers with Adobe software to examine how its multiple layers and various links compare with the layers and links observable in the White House PDF. How he did it "I conducted the two-month research study on the PDF document released by the White House because it was supposed to be a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate, and I wanted to determine exactly how it was made," Polland explained to WND. He used a three-step process: 1) identifying and deconstructing the individual document elements; 2) reverse-engineering the technologies required to produce them; and 3) reconstructing the individual elements and combining them into a composite PDF document. "I took each anomaly in the document – such as the white halo effect, or the curve at the left margin that looks like the document is receding bent into a book – until I figured out how the anomaly was created in Adobe software," he said. Polland explained that it was "a systematic process similar to what the CSIs do on TV when they are trying to identify what happened to crime victims." "Beyond the science, however, it is still a lengthy, trial-and-error exercise," he said, "taking hours and days just to eliminate the things that do not work or do not look precisely like the White House document." His plan was to identify the features and characteristics he saw in the White House document, determine where the features and characteristics came from – including sources outside the document – and apply whatever methods were necessary to replicate the effects. "Every time I thought I could not make it look any closer to the White House document, I found a way to improve upon it, even if it took more time to do it," he said. "There was nothing easy about making this forgery." Polland explained: "As I did with the short form, I began my analyses by placing myself in the role of the forger and asking questions like, 'What do I need to create first?' and 'How do I create it?' keeping in mind the enigma of the short-form and how difficult it was to decipher." Polland noted that "the starting point for the creation of a forged birth certificate begins with constructing a blank form and filling it in with data, analogous to the process of completing a paper form." In a 58-page document titled "How I made Obama's long-form birth certificate," available in its entirety here, Polland details the step-by-step methods he used to make the long-form birth certificate. Readers are warned that Polland's explanations in the 58-page document can be technically dense, even to those with expertise in Adobe software. Four videos Perhaps the best way to understand how Polland created the forged Obama birth certificate is to watch four videos he put together to illustrate his methods. In the first video, Polland demonstrates how a number of the anomalies observed in the White House document, such as the "white halo" effect visible behind the text letters, were created using Adobe Acrobat. The demonstrations in the first video make use of birth certificates that Polland knew were made from authentic copies issued by the Hawaii Department of Health. Polland demonstrates a feature of Acrobat known as "adaptive compression" that separates a scan image into three components – color, gray scale and monochrome (black) – to reduce the size of a PDF document without sacrificing image quality. It is the adaptive compression feature, in combination with other image factors, that led to the creation of some of the unusual-looking anomalies found in the document. In the second video, Polland demonstrates the structure of the White House document. He analyzes how the alleged forger created a blank template from an existing birth certificate form, removing or replacing used areas and redrawing some of the elements – such as the form boxes – in preparation for entering the information particular to Obama. The video shows how a forger would have searched for suitable "donor certificates" to provide the framework for his template, as well as the parts for his forgery, based on how contemporaneous they were to Obama's certificate. "This PDF forgery is the equivalent of a Frankenstein monster but with infinitely more parts needed to make it," Polland said. The second video also includes a demonstration of how a few components of the published birth certificates of the Nordykes – twins born in Honolulu the day after Obama's birthdate – made their way into the composite document that became the White House release. One of the first things that Polland noticed about the White House document was the similarity between the hand-written dates in the Nordyke certificates and those in Obama's. He also believes the signature of Stanley Ann Dunham was copied off a Social Security application. Thus, his research served another purpose – the identification of source documents from which a forger allegedly hijacked his components. The White House document, Polland believes, is a forgery within a forgery, and many times over. In the third video, Polland illustrates how parts of the text in the White House document allegedly were made from the text of birth certificates issued about the same time. He also shows how a forger could have "recycled" sections of a birth certificate, such as taking the hospital name and splitting it into individual letters and groups of letters for use as street names. In the fourth video, Polland shows how a forger could have created the "back layer" of the certificate itself – the main background on which appear the white haloes, grayish letter outlines, pieces of black text, the black lines of the form, parts of the signatures and other assorted oddities. The fourth video explains why these features had to be independently created and then combined into separate images before being added to a fabricated image of security paper to produce the peculiar effects that are seen in the White House document. Polland demonstrates his contention that all of these components were created in Photoshop and then finalized into a smaller set of layers that were imported into Adobe Illustrator, where the actual PDF document would be produced. Polland emphasizes that no background or lines, no text or other characters, and no special effects such as the curve into the left margin were copied from the White House document and pasted into his forgery. He said he created from scratch every element that appears in his forged birth certificate, including the green hash-mark security paper background and the black lines of the form itself, independently from what was contained in the White House document. "The bottom line is that the forger had a detailed plan in mind for his creation and carried it out with a great deal of precision – especially when it came to adding the little pieces of text and form elements to the security paper background on top of a template of white haloes," Polland said. He concluded: "There is no recipe for making a forgery like this, except for the ones I've authored in recreating the short-form birth certificate. It takes a combination of artistic ability and technical expertise to create this forgery, but the human factors behind its development are no less important. Basically, you have to adopt a sense of 'anything goes' and throw logic and reason out the window if you wish to take on the role of the forger."

I was scanning through this thread to see what the current state of mental illness was for the birthers, man, it's bad. There was a time when this would have earned a mandatory mental illness involuntary institutionalization. Sadly, those days are long gone. But, I did see this, and about LOL'd out of my chair. It is so, so true:



Thanks for posting that, Neptune, made my day.

How A Candidate Should Handle Birther Questions.
http://www.americanthinker....rther_questions.html

Sheriff Joe's posse delivers promised Obama surprise
Panel probing eligibility for 2012 ballot wants to see original birth certificate
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=362625#ixzz1cSnCY6aF

quote "The posse wants to see the entire microfilm roll containing Obama's birth certificate, not just a microfilm copy of Obama's long-form birth certificate in isolation," Corsi explained. "An individual microfilm copy could be forged, but forging the entire microfilm reel on which Obama's birth certificate is in sequence would be almost impossible." Also, Corsi said, the posse wants the ink-and-paper original 1961 Obama birth records still held in vault by the Hawaii Department of Health to be released publicly and subjected to independent court-authorized forensic examination.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: I was scanning through this thread to see what the current state of mental illness was for the birthers, man, it's bad. There was a time when this would have earned a mandatory mental illness involuntary institutionalization. Sadly, those days are long gone. But, I did see this, and about LOL'd out of my chair. It is so, so true: Thanks for posting that, Neptune, made my day.

You really haven't been paying attention have you...what part of "The President's birth certificate posted on the White House website has been definitely confirmed to be a fake" do you not understand?

quote Originally posted by Toddster: You really haven't been paying attention have you...what part of "The President's birth certificate posted on the White House website has been definitely confirmed to be a fake" do you not understand?

It depends on who you ask...

From Fox News: Expert: No doubt Obama's birth certificate is legit

quote Originally posted by KidO: It depends on who you ask... From Fox News: Expert: No doubt Obama's birth certificate is legit

I have no doubt several people will have different opinions but when computer experts go on record as stating it is photoshopped and show how it was done (rather convincingly BTW) then I think the question needs to be dealt with.

Again, I was NOT one of the birthers. As far as I was concerned the issue was closed but with this new testimony and evidence I think the matter needs to be addressed by the White House, not because I give a damn where he was born but If our government is forging documents THAT is a big deal.

Todd, just admit it, you're a birther, we understand, it's ok.

So this Polland guy made a forgery of the short form to look like the actual short form document and somehow the whitehouse linked to it from another website which had linked to the image of the document he forged. And now to prove he forged the short form he has taken the long form and also made a forgery from it. Which proves the original to be a forgery and also proves the forgery of the original was a forgery?

Explain the Obama birth announcement published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961? I just checked the long form (again) and the address matches matches the one in the newspaper. Amazing, who da thunk it?

Factcheck.org - Born in the U.S.A. The truth about Obama's birth certificate.

Keep the story alive!

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quote Originally posted by Tigger: Factcheck.org - Born in the U.S.A. The truth about Obama's birth certificate. Keep the story alive!

Uh...ooops, Factcheck.org? Owned by the liberal annenberg foundation who has Bill Ayres...yep, the terrorist, on their board.

FAIL!

Nice try Tigger but if Factcheck.org stated Obama was born on Mars I have no doubt you would accept it hook, line and sinker without question.

The ISSUE of the White House forging documents is still the ISSUE and is nothing short of a crime. And you are OK with this...the only question is are you so blindly biased towards Obama because of the color of skin that you are prepared to overlook the content of his character?

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Uh...ooops, Factcheck.org? Owned by the liberal annenberg foundation who has Bill Ayres...yep, the terrorist, on their board. FAIL! Nice try Tigger but if Factcheck.org stated Obama was born on Mars I have no doubt you would accept it hook, line and sinker without question. The ISSUE of the White House forging documents is still the ISSUE and is nothing short of a crime. And you are OK with this...the only question is are you so blindly biased towards Obama because of the color of skin that you are prepared to overlook the content of his character?

Obama wasn't born on Mars. Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Notorized legal documents were released and you still refuse to accept it.

I see, if you can't disprove discredit. Well, WND is a conservative website and Joseph Farah is a devout birther and determined to keep this stupid issue alive. A story about someone making a forged document from the original doesn't prove the orginal document is a fake document, sorry. Even other records back up the birth certificates such as the announcement of birth in the newspaper, everything.

You need a tinfoil hat boy.

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I think you guys are seriously underestimating the handlers of the Manchurian Candidate. This is not child's play here.

quote Originally posted by Tigger: Obama wasn't born on Mars. Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Notorized legal documents were released and you still refuse to accept it.

Really? I refuse to accept it? When Did I ever refuse to accept it?

PAY ATTENTION TIGGER...THIS IS NOT BRAIN SURGERY...LISTEN TO THE WORDS COMING OUT OF MY KEYBOARD

I AM NOT A BIRTHER...I DO NOT DISPUTE THE PRESIDENT WAS BORN IN HAWAII

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HIM POSTING A FORGED DOCUMENT

What part of this is not sinking into your grey matter?

quote I see, if you can't disprove discredit. Well, WND is a conservative website and Joseph Farah is a devout birther and determined to keep this stupid issue alive. A story about someone making a forged document from the original doesn't prove the orginal document is a fake document, sorry. Even other records back up the birth certificates such as the announcement of birth in the newspaper, everything. You need a tinfoil hat boy.

"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." - Richard Nixon

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan

"What we've got here is failure to communicate" - Struther Martin

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HIM POSTING A FORGED DOCUMENT

Well then prove it big guy.

No wait, I will! Let's look at the Obama birth certificate claim on snopes, feel free to click and investigate it on your own.

Ok, back to the WND article. This Polland guy says the White House linked the picture from his forged birth certificate and this image was linked and taken from snopes, see Exhibit 4.

I investigated it and the story doesn't add up, how?

The White House image of the birth certificate appears to be a screenshot of an image taken from the snopes site, link credit is at the bottom of the image. If you check the snopes birth certificate claim again and put your mouse over the link to the picture of the short form birth certificate, what do you see? You see the same EXACT hyperlink at the bottom of the screenshot in the White House image. It is NOT linked, lifted, or taken, from a "forged" Polland birth certificate from his photobucket link he says snopes used per his Exhibit 4.

This WND story that the White House linked a forged document simply doesn't hold a drop of water.

I've laid the evidence out for you, lay out your facts that his birth certificate is forged. The White House maybe using a copy from snopes, but it's not a forgery, nor linked to this guys photobucket account.

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Sheriff Joe threatened for probing eligibility
Says intimidation comes from drug lords, Obama fans: 'I'm not sure which are worse'
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=366125#ixzz1dJcKr3Md

quote "I'm a controversial guy and usually the media is all over me," he continued, "but when I decided to investigate Obama, the media has suddenly gone missing in action." Arpaio said that if the media's strategy is to minimize the impact of his investigation by ignoring it, it is not likely to work. "If the mainstream media thinks our investigation will go away if it remains unreported, they're wrong. The investigation is proceeding, and I fully anticipate we will publish a report early next year." Arpaio said he was also surprised by how vile the threats he has gotten from Obama supporters turn out to be. "I've got the drug cartels from Mexico sending me death threats," he said, "and now I have the Obama supporters sending me death threats. I'm not sure which are worse." Arpaio told WND he turns over all threats to his office for investigation. WND has also reported that on April 27, the White House released three versions of Obama's long-form birth certificate, each one of which appears fundamentally different from the other two: 1.An electronic PDF computer file that contained a green background clearly showing the green hash marks of Hawaii Department of Health security paper; 2.A photo taken by the Associated Press and attributed to J. Scott Appleworth shows a blue background, with no hash marks and no green security paper background; and 3.Two photographs the White House staff allowed NBC photographer Savannah Guthrie take on April 27 that show a gray background on which grey hash marks are clearly visible on the security paper background.

Read more: Sheriff Joe threatened for probing eligibility http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=366125#ixzz1dJd1XIMG

quote Originally posted by Tigger: Well then prove it big guy. No wait, I will! Let's look at the Obama birth certificate claim on snopes, feel free to click and investigate it on your own.

Prove it? That is why this in in court Tigger. That is what courts are for, to address accusations. How do I know it is in court?

Oh gee...that's a hard one. Hmmm, how could I possibly know that....oh wait, I know how to use GOOGLE!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...red-fake-claims.html

The document released by the White House lacks a stamped seal of the state. Now I was born in 1963, just 2 years after Obama, I have a copy of my original birth certificate. It is from a microfiche print out and it looks nothing like Obama's AND it has a stamped seal of the state on it...actually stamped and embossed, not just an ink stamp. If Obama's certificate is to meet the standards set by the Social Security administration to get a SSN it MUST have this stamp. That is a fact, not opinion, not suspicion, not conjecture, his birth certificate on the White House web site does NOT meet the standard of an offical US document. Now why would I be able to provide a copy of my birth certificate with an embossed stamp and the President not?

That is the definition of a legitimate question

Can you answer it?

No?

Oh no, what shall we do then?

OH YEAH, we have courts! And the matter is currently before them. And I am sure the question will be answered in time. I have no horse in this race any more than I cared who was sucking Slick Willie's slick willie. But I do not like being lied to by my elected officals and if they are lying then I want them to learn that it doesn't pay!

Are we following all this Tigger?

You certainly have a dead horse you want to keep alive that's for sure.

I'm sure Obama's parents or grandparents just happened to put the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper because they thought one day he'd become president. Yup.

BTW, you're tin foil hat is on crooked.

Boston Globe reporter withholds Obama file
President's official birth narrative doesn't match up with INS reports


Read more: Boston Globe reporter withholds Obama file http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=365749#ixzz1dSaleGVv

Wow! New Hampshire wakes up to Obama's alleged Social Security fraud ...
Hearing Friday as state lawmakers also probe president's eligibility


Read more: New Hampshire wakes up to Obama's alleged Social Security fraud http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=368645#ixzz1e4LnwknM

quote Originally posted by Tigger: Obama wasn't born on Mars. Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Notorized legal documents were released and you still refuse to accept it. .

Tell that to the Kenyans who say he was born there.

New Hampshire state board recognizes Obama's eligibiliy.
http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/14243/

quote A state board in New Hampshire has decided that Barack Obama’s name is good to go on the state’s 2012 presidential ballot because the application was filled out properly and the $1,000 fee was paid, according to an attorney who challenged his candidacy because of suspicions of fraud.

quote Originally posted by Tigger: You certainly have a dead horse you want to keep alive that's for sure. I'm sure Obama's parents or grandparents just happened to put the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper because they thought one day he'd become president. Yup. BTW, you're tin foil hat is on crooked.

If I am wearing a tin foil hat then so is the US Justice department, the Superior Court system, and the Media. Not saying...again...that he wasn't born in Hawaii (you seem to keep forgetting that when you make your defense of this failure to follow the same procedures we all as Americans have to follow), I just want the President to not be above the law.

But keep fiddling Nero. The guy is doing one heck of a job in DC. Yes siree, he'll DEFINITELY be remembered.

This story is still going on.

http://www.wnd.com/index.ph...E.view&pageId=369273

quote the White House declared in April, the issue had finally been put to rest, and the public could see the document that served as "proof positive" that Obama was born in Honolulu and fulfilled the constitutional requirements for the presidency. Not so fast, said more than 20 document and computer imaging specialists who examined the online image and either questioned its authenticity or declared it outright to be fraudulent. Now you can see the rest of the story – the findings indicating Obama's birth certificate is fake, along with the evidence that prompted Obama to act – in the new e-book edition of Corsi's expose, "Where's the Real Birth Certificate?" Evidence you'll find in the new e-book edition already is in the hands of America's most famous sheriff, Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz. As WND reported, Arpaio has commission a "Cold Case Posse" of former cops and lawyers to investigate Obama's eligibility for the Arizona presidential ballot in 2012.

quote Just a few of the well-documented arguments you'll find in "Where's the REAL Birth Certificate?": •Obama was born a dual citizen of the United Kingdom and the United States, a circumstance the Constitution's framers considered an iron-clad roadblock to the presidency •As a boy, Obama was officially registered in school as a Muslim and Indonesian citizen, another barrier to U.S. natural-born citizenship •The Congressional Research Service, a public policy arm of Congress, officially admits no one in the government ever vetted Obama's constitutional eligibility

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'Natural Born' Supreme Court Citations Disappear
http://www.americanthinker....tions_disappear.html

quote Did Justia.com deliberately aid Barack Obama in 2008 by helping to hide the one legal case that might prevent him from legally qualifying for the presidency? On October 20, 2011, New Jersey attorney Leo Donofrio accused online legal research behemoth Justia.com of surgically redacting important information from their publication of 25 U.S. Supreme Court opinions which cite Minor v. Happersett, an 1874 decision which arguably contains language that appears to disqualify anyone from presidential eligibility who wasn't born in the country to parents who were citizens. According to the decision in Happersett: At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. (Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167 [1874])

Factcheck's non-profit status challenged over Obama birth certificate
Non-partisan group published images researcher contends are forgeries
http://www.wnd.com/index.ph...E.view&pageId=379561

quote Researcher Ron Polland has launched Federal Election Commission and Internal Revenue Service challenges against Factcheck.org, charging the media monitor has violated its tax-exempt legal status as a non-partisan organization by publishing and promoting a short-form birth certificate for Obama he contends was forged. "When Factcheck published its 'Born in the USA' story on Aug. 21, 2008, with photos of Obama's birth certificate, many thought the controversy was over." Polland told WND. "No other story has been cited more often and by more people in defense of claims that Obama had already released his state-certificate and proved beyond any question that he was born in Hawaii." Polland has long argued that the Obama short-form birth certificate originated from computer-created documents first shown as scans by the DailyKos and Factcheck. His argument now is that the paper short-form birth certificate displayed by Factcheck was nothing more than a paper version of Factcheck's computer-created scan, not an authentic short-form birth certificate issued by the Hawaii Department of Health and delivered to Factcheck by the Obama campaign.

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BREAKING!!! Georgia Court to Hear Natural Born Citizen Case vs Obama
http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=3722

quote The liberty Legal Foundation has announced that the case pending in Georgia, challenging Obama’s eligibility, has been ACCEPTED. This is great news considering Obama and his team of attorneys had been actively trying to have this case DENIED!! The Georgia court in agreeing to hear the case could well be setting the stage for other states in which quite similar cases are pending. Arizona and Tennessee both have such cases waiting right now. This case, in Georgia, deals specifically with the Natural Born Citizen issue. In a previous article, we brought up the Minor vs Happersett case from 1875 in which the Supreme Court defined a NBC as one who has 2 parents which were citizens at the time of the subject’s birth. We also cited 3 other cases in which the Supreme Court, previous to the Minor case, said the same thing. Since Obama’s father, at the time of Barack’s birth, was not a U.S. citizen, nor did he ever become one, according to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1875…Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen. If not a NBC…then, according to the Constitution, Obama is ineligible to serve as President. Since no later opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1875 Minor vs Happersett case exists mentioning the issue of Natural Born Citizen, and since 3 other PREVIOUS case opinions from the U.S. Supreme Court state the same thing as Minor vs Happersett, it seems nearly impossible…NEARLY…that the Georgia court would find differently. The Georgia court HAS agreed to hear the case of Obama’s eligibility on the issue of Natural Born Citizen on January 26th at 9am.

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: BREAKING!!! Georgia Court to Hear Natural Born Citizen Case vs Obama http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=3722 Read more at the link.

In other words, a sitting judge of the United States has reviewed the evidence and has determined that there is a prima facia case.

But I am the one wearing a tin foil hat?

Tigger, does the sand get in your eyes with your head down there?

I hear crickets chirping