quote Originally posted by fierobear: LOL There is so much wrong with that post, I don't know where to start. So I won't. We're too far apart on this.

Wrong is a judgement call, so lets examine the facts.

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: Just ask his colleagues on the Hill. I haven't heard one of them say he/she openly endorses Grinch for the Presidency. He's such an insider, he would never change the way Washington works. At least Obama is trying to make modest, almost milquetoast-y kinds of changes. Romney and Grinch will never change anything.

Have any of his former colleagues on the Hill come out to endorse him? Not that I have heard, and there have been plenty of "no comments" and one senator who said he doesn't want to see Newt anywhere near the presidency.

Is he considered an insider? I think even YOU called him that, correct?

As for Obama making changes, I'm quite sure you would never acknowledge any changes even if I spelled them out for you, so I will leave that alone.

That's it for the post. So one thing we will never agree on, but everything else is settled.

So much for your post.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: This is too easy. Here is my 30 second search. Obama Apologizes to Europe http://pdberger.com/obama-apologizes-to-europe/ Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower http://www.heritage.org/res...iliated-a-superpower FOX News Poll: Opposition to Health Care Reform Grows http://www.foxnews.com/stor...0.html#ixzz1gcciu3Fq Kaiser Poll: Opposition to Obamacare Hits Highest Point http://www.newsmax.com/Insi...2011/10/28/id/416039 Health Care Law 55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law http://www.rasmussenreports...care/health_care_law I could go on and on but I'm bored and have other things to do today.

You still quote Newsmax and Fox? I guess credibility doesn't matter to you.

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: So, CBS news and the Washington Post are biased?

YES. Hello? McFly?? (knock knock on the head).

Like I said, they've been carrying the water for Obama - running interference for him, advocating for him and his policies, NOT asking him hard questions during the campaign, NOT criticizing him like they would/did with Bush - and so on.

However, it looks like the news for Obama is SO bad, they can't cover it all up anymore.

AP-GfK Poll: More than half say Obama should lose

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Give it up, you're argueing with a moron. Hey, show him clips of MSNBC ripping Obama a new one. Even the Obama News Network has abandoned him! The question is "is anyone in America stupid enough to vote for this guy again?"

This, from the equivalent of a mental bean fart. You have a way of clearing a room in the same way.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I guess you missed the who "Rathergate" thing, where CBS news FORGED documents about President Bush? http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...ocuments_controversy

Apparently reading is not your strongsuit. According to that article, The criticism against CBS was not that the documents were forged, but that they were not autenticated before airing them on the news. In fact, the panel that ciriticized CBS did not comment one way or the other about the authenticity of the documents. Their conclusion was that Peter Tytell's analysis of the documents was sound, but did not offer any conclusion to the authenticity of the documents themselves.

Do you ever read in totality the articles you reference? You might want to start.

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: Apparently reading is not your strongsuit. According to that article, The criticism against CBS was not that the documents were forged, but that they were not autenticated before airing them on the news. In fact, the panel that ciriticized CBS did not comment one way or the other about the authenticity of the documents. Their conclusion was that Peter Tytell's analysis of the documents was sound, but did not offer any conclusion to the authenticity of the documents themselves. Do you ever read in totality the articles you reference? You might want to start.

Hey, dipshit, if the documents weren't authenticated, then were did they come from? And why would CBS be so quick to put them on the air? Maybe some BIAS?

You are TOO STUPID to be having this conversation. You can't add up the factors that point to a conclusion, or at least a hint to a conclusion. The news media IS liberal biased. Do some f***ing research before you think you can be arrogant AND wrong. JazzMan couldn't figure that out, and evidently, you can't either.

Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist

How about an entire LIST of quotes from members of the media, including the former PRESIDENT OF CBS NEWS?

“Personally, I have a great affection for CBS News....But I stopped watching it some time ago. The unremitting liberal orientation finally became too much for me. I still check in, but less and less frequently. I increasingly drift to NBC News and Fox and MSNBC.”
— Former CBS News President Van Gordon Sauter in an op-ed published January 13, 2005 in the Los Angeles Times.

“Does anybody really think there wouldn’t have been more scrutiny if this [CBS’s bogus 60 Minutes National Guard story] had been about John Kerry?”
— Former 60 Minutes Executive Producer Don Hewitt at a January 10, 2005 meeting at CBS News, as quoted later that day by Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s Hardball.

“I know a lot of you believe that most people in the news business are liberal. Let me tell you, I know a lot of them, and they were almost evenly divided this time. Half of them liked Senator Kerry; the other half hated President Bush.”
— CBS’s Andy Rooney on the November 7, 2004 60 Minutes.

The notion of a neutral, non-partisan mainstream press was, to me at least, worth holding onto. Now it’s pretty much dead, at least as the public sees things. The seeds of its demise were sown with the best of intentions in the late 1960s, when the AMMP [American Mainstream Media Party] was founded in good measure (and ironically enough) by CBS. Old folks may remember the moment: Walter Cronkite stepped from behind the podium of presumed objectivity to become an outright foe of the war in Vietnam. Later, he and CBS’s star White House reporter, Dan Rather, went to painstaking lengths to make Watergate understandable to viewers, which helped seal Richard Nixon’s fate as the first President to resign. The crusades of Vietnam and Watergate seemed like a good idea at the time, even a noble one, not only to the press but perhaps to a majority of Americans. The problem was that, once the AMMP declared its existence by taking sides, there was no going back. A party was born.”
— Newsweek’s chief political reporter, Howard Fineman, “The ‘Media Party’ is over: CBS’ downfall is just the tip of the iceberg,” January 11 , 2005.

“I thought he [former CBS News correspondent Bernard Goldberg] made some very good points. There is just no question that I, among others, have a liberal bias. I mean, I’m consistently liberal in my opinions. And I think some of the, I think Dan [Rather] is transparently liberal. Now, he may not like to hear me say that. I always agree with him, too, but I think he should be more careful.”
— CBS’s 60 Minutes commentator Andy Rooney on Goldberg’s book, Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News, on CNN’s Larry King Live, June 5, 2002.

“There are lots of reasons fewer people are watching network news, and one of them, I’m more convinced than ever, is that our viewers simply don’t trust us. And for good reason. The old argument that the networks and other `media elites’ have a liberal bias is so blatantly true that it’s hardly worth discussing anymore. No, we don’t sit around in dark corners and plan strategies on how we’re going to slant the news. We don’t have to. It comes naturally to most reporters.....Mr. Engberg’s report set new standards for bias....Can you imagine, in your wildest dreams, a network news reporter calling Hillary Clinton’s health care plan ‘wacky?’...
“‘Reality Check’ suggests the viewers are going to get the facts. And then they can make up their mind. As Mr. Engberg might put it: ‘Time Out!’ You’d have a better chance of getting the facts someplace else — like Albania.”
— CBS reporter Bernard Goldberg on an anti-flat tax story by CBS reporter Eric Engberg, February 13, 1996 Wall Street Journal op-ed.

“I think liberalism lives — the notion that we don’t have to stay where we are as a society, we have promises to keep, and it is liberalism, whether people like it or not, which has animated all the years of my life. What on Earth did conservatism ever accomplish for our country? It was people who wanted to change things for the better.”
— Charles Kuralt talking with Morley Safer on the CBS special, One for the Road with Charles Kuralt, May 5, 1994.

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And those are just the quotes from CBS personnel (current and former), or comments about CBS news.

The media is liberally biased. Period. Get some facts before you try to be so arrogant, kt, you're not equipped. You're fingers are typing checks your brain can't cash.