quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: The world can't be rid of this twit soon enough.

Agreed. Obama will likely be a one-term president, thank God.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Cmon man, you cheated on your wife in the name of passion for your country ? And hounded and impeached Clinton for the same thing you were doing at the same time? (that's to say, cheating and lying about it.) Lame.

I don't see anywhere in the quoted text that he said he had an affair because of passion for his country. I also noticed the author claimed he was attacking Pres. Clinton for having an affair. I recall him attacking Pres. Clinton for lying to the people, and under oath.

I am very glad to see Newt doing well. I just hope he's not peaking too early. He is the most intelligent and also the most common-sensical, to coin a phrase. All the attacks on his character end up being repudiated, such as the "he gave his first wife divorce papers on her "deathbed". (she is still alive!)
I can't wait to see the Democrats bash Newt for his personal life after they have been claiming that personal lives shouldn't matter and should be kept private.Will Chris Matthews call him a hypocrite for attacking Clinton while he was having an affair himself?

I just watched the Iowa debate and Newt kicked butt. I love when he answers a question with a question, in the Socratic way, and is met by a deer in headlights. I think the only one who can debate with him is Cong. Ron Paul.

Newt vs Romney- Sure Newt has had 3 wives but at least they were one at a time.... I know its horrible.

quote Originally posted by Scottzilla79: I don't see anywhere in the quoted text that he said he had an affair because of passion for his country. I also noticed the author claimed he was attacking Pres. Clinton for having an affair. I recall him attacking Pres. Clinton for lying to the people, and under oath.

About his (Clinton) having an affair! Since he (Grinch) was also having an affair, talk about hypocrisy.

quote I am very glad to see Newt doing well. I just hope he's not peaking too early. He is the most intelligent and also the most common-sensical, to coin a phrase. All the attacks on his character end up being repudiated, such as the "he gave his first wife divorce papers on her "deathbed". (she is still alive!)

All the attacks? All the skeletons are not out of the closet yet.

quote I can't wait to see the Democrats bash Newt for his personal life after they have been claiming that personal lives shouldn't matter and should be kept private.Will Chris Matthews call him a hypocrite for attacking Clinton while he was having an affair himself?

Personal lives shouldn't matter, but don't you think character matters? After all, if he lies and cheats on his wife(s) why wouldn't he lie and cheat on anybody else?

quote I just watched the Iowa debate and Newt kicked butt. I love when he answers a question with a question, in the Socratic way, and is met by a deer in headlights. I think the only one who can debate with him is Cong. Ron Paul. Newt vs Romney- Sure Newt has had 3 wives but at least they were one at a time.... I know its horrible.

well, not quite... he was cheating on wife #1 with future wife #2. Then, cheating on wife #2 with future wife #3. They kinda overlap.

quote Originally posted by dratts: He is the smartest (cleverest) republican out there. At this point it looks like he will be the one opposing Obama.

...AND the one with enough "baggage" to open his own Coach Luggage outlet store....which serves to a great extent to clearly demonstrate the lack of palatable excitement for any of the field of GOP candidates.

He's the frontrunner at present. It's almost as if the party is saying "Look, guys...Newt's the best we've got....for today anyway."

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quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: I was referring to the nefarious twit Newt Grinch. Please try to keep up with the conversation.

Of course you were. I was showing how much of a parallel there is to your opinion of Gingrich that could be applied to Obama. I had hoped I wouldn't need to explain it to you even though I used a "wink" smiley.

KT,
If character matters, Bob Dole would have been president in '96. back then though Democrats kept saying character didn't matter, we needed a bridge to the post-morality future. Cheating on your wife and then marrying the person you were cheating with? Is that better worse or the same as Pres. Kennedy banging sluts in the White House?
Also you missed my point, I said did Newt attack Clinton on moral grounds of adultery or on the grounds that he lied under oath while the nations chief law enforcement officer? No one ever tried to impeach Pres. Clinton for adultery, it was for perjury.

I can't imagine there is much left in Newt's closet after the media savaged him when he was speaker. Remember all those ethics charges that led to him stepping down? He was cleared of all of them.

"Nefarious twit", . Thank jeebus Obama has lifted politics out of the mud.

quote Originally posted by Doni Hagan: ....which serves to a great extent to clearly demonstrate the lack of palatable excitement for any of the field of GOP candidates. He's the frontrunner at present. It's almost as if the party is saying "Look, guys...Newt's the best we've got....for today anyway."

It's like a revolving door of front runners.

If the party names a hard right wacko or an old hack with heavy baggage, they can yet grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.

quote Originally posted by Scottzilla79: I don't see anywhere in the quoted text that he said he had an affair because of passion for his country. I also noticed the author claimed he was attacking Pres. Clinton for having an affair. I recall him attacking Pres. Clinton for lying to the people, and under oath.

Umm.. only the first sentence of the article. Would you rather hear his actual words?

I'll go shag down the interview, but his excuse for extramarital activities was for passion for his country causing him to "work far too hard" and allowed bad judgement affairs to happen.

Here it is with him saying it:
http://dailybail.com/home/v...because-he-felt.html

And my issue is that HE TOO lied about it, not just that he had an affair. Let me guess, its acceptable to lie to your wife about an affair, but wrong not to tell special investigators? (ala Clinton) Not to me, it isnt. But maybe because I take the idea of marriage as sacred, and I always planned on getting it right the first time. But thats just me, I suppose.

quote Originally posted by Scottzilla79: KT, If character matters, Bob Dole would have been president in '96. back then though Democrats kept saying character didn't matter, we needed a bridge to the post-morality future.

When did any Democrats say that?

quote Cheating on your wife and then marrying the person you were cheating with? Is that better worse or the same as Pres. Kennedy banging sluts in the White House?

Worse, since Kennedy did stay married.

quote Also you missed my point, I said did Newt attack Clinton on moral grounds of adultery or on the grounds that he lied under oath while the nations chief law enforcement officer? No one ever tried to impeach Pres. Clinton for adultery, it was for perjury.

Based on his adultery. You keep saying personal lives should be kept out of politics, but then you mention this stuff. Make up your mind.

quote I can't imagine there is much left in Newt's closet after the media savaged him when he was speaker. Remember all those ethics charges that led to him stepping down? He was cleared of all of them.

Not all of them, or there would not have been a $300,000 fine.

quote "Nefarious twit", . Thank jeebus Obama has lifted politics out of the mud.

After the mudslinging the crazed right-wingers have been doing for the past three years, that's mild. Grinch deserves far worse.

This bomb-thrower is unfit for any office, let alone the highest one.

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: Yeah, that's real funny. Like, pick-your-nose-and-grin funny. Well, I guess small minds find small amusements.

No, it was above you.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: No, it was above you.

"I know you are, but what am I?" - Pee Wee Herman

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: I could only wish. EPIC DISASTER

Depending on the viewer's perspective, each President's term can be viewed differently, I know absolutely no one that has enjoyed or approved of the current administration's party. I actually know previously strong Dem/Obama supporter's that made a point of publically removing Obama Bumper Stickers. Newt Gingrich may or may not be the next president but, just about anyone has a very strong chance of dethorning our current President.

In my life, I always thought President Carter was the worse President possible followed closedly by Presidents Nixon and Johnson, I was wrong.

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The key thing is to wake up breathing! All the rest can be fixed. (Except Stupid - You can't fix that)

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: "I know you are, but what am I?" - Pee Wee Herman

YOU are the one who DIDN'T GET IT that I was being factious, but accused me of not getting it. Then you get pissy about the irony and humor. You need to get our own story straight before you criticize mine.

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quote Originally posted by Scottzilla79: Remember all those ethics charges that led to him stepping down? He was cleared of all of them.

... Well, all except that one pesky charge that was upheld, the one for which the House of Representatives reprimanded him (less severe than censure) and fined him $300,000. It was the first time that the Speaker of the House had ever been reprimanded or censured. The House ethics committee that reviewed the charges was 50/50 bipartisan, and their vote to recommended action by the full House was 7 to 1. The vote in the full House was 395 to 28 ... so the final result can hardly be characterized as partisan. See:

Washington Post: Ethics Panel Supports Reprimand of Gingrich
Washington Post: House Reprimands, Penalizes Speaker
The [MIT] Tech: House Approves Reprimand, $300,000 Fine for Gingrich

"Gingrich admitted that he brought discredit to the House and broke its rules by failing to ensure that financing for two projects would not violate federal tax law and by giving the House ethics committee false information."

So Gingrich was reprimanded and fined: 1) for conduct (violating federal tax law) that was deemed unethical, and 2) for subsequently lying about it to the House ethics committee.

Final Report: IN THE MATTER OF REPRESENTATIVE NEWT GINGRICH, House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct, 1997

You may still disagree with the reprimand and fine, but those are the facts.

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quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: I was referring to the nefarious twit Newt Grinch. Please try to keep up with the conversation.

you're the one not keeping up kidthecarguy, You may not agree with Gingrich but he is universally accepted as one of the smartest people in Politics. Twit is a good description of Obama however.

quote Popular right-wing talk-radio host Michael Savage has offered Newt Gingrich $1 million to drop out of the race for the GOP nomination because he doesn't believe the former Speaker of the House can beat President Barack Obama. And why is that? Savage has a long list on his blog, including Gingrich's ads with Nancy Pelosi, his past infidelity and the fact that -- no matter his intelligence -- when he appears on TV "he will come off badly compared to Obama and look like nothing more than what he is: a fat, old, white man." After a lengthy diatribe in all caps, Savage offered Gingrich $1 million to "set his ego aside" and "take the money ... and don't run." Ouch. http://news.yahoo.com/talk-...llion-014908204.html

Duh.

So if Mitts Romney chooses Newt Gingrich as his VP running mate, and if he gets elected, and if four years later he gets re elected, then Newt Gingrich becomes the De Facto Republican candidate for President in 2020. He will be 77 years old. If he won the election, he would be 81 years old at the end of his first term.
I wonder if his voice will have finally changed by then?

OMFG
Its going to be a good time to be a Democrat, I guess.
It would be even easier for the democrats if Newt Gingrich managed to somehow win the nomination and run against a sitting President with a big chest full of campaign dollars and a very organized campaign.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Where you in a coma during the Bush years?

Nope.
Sadly, I saw it all.

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: It looks like you registered in 2007, so you haven't been here as long as some of us have been. We (Repubilcans and/or conservatives) took ENDLESS s*** (insults) during that time, and we took it. So pardon us if we give a little back to the same people, or the same kinds of people, by responding in kind now.

I registered long before that but I wasn't paying any attention to this part of the forum. If bush got bashed I can see why. Are there any here who are defending his Iraq war or what he did to the economy? Please don't assume that I am a democrat.

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Depending on the viewer's perspective, each President's term can be viewed differently, I know absolutely no one that has enjoyed or approved of the current administration's party. I actually know previously strong Dem/Obama supporter's that made a point of publically removing Obama Bumper Stickers. Newt Gingrich may or may not be the next president but, just about anyone has a very strong chance of dethorning our current President. In my life, I always thought President Carter was the worse President possible followed closedly by Presidents Nixon and Johnson, I was wrong.

You're forgetting Warren Harding, who had one of the most corrupt administrations in history. And Calvin Coolidge, who had to deal with the mess after Harding died. And Andrew Johnson, the first president to get impeached. Or James Buchanon, whose ineptitude allowed the civil war to start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...of_the_United_States
According to this article, from unofficial polling, Obama would rank in the top ten. Not bad for a first term.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Nope. Sadly, I saw it all.

Right. And you participated. Payback's a b***h, ain't it?

Quote of the day: "The higher a monkey climbs up a pole the more you see of his butt."

David Axelrod (President Obama’s chief strategist) talking about Newt Gingrich.
That line could probably be used to describe most politicians including Axelrod’s boss.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: he was too busy slinging mud to notice the mud slinging

LOL

Classic!

quote Originally posted by fierobear: The more I learn about Gingrich, the less I like about him. I don't like his stance on several issues. I'd take him over Obama, but it wouldn't be as much of an improvement as this country needs.

Just ask his colleagues on the Hill. I haven't heard one of them say he/she openly endorses Grinch for the Presidency. He's such an insider, he would never change the way Washington works.

At least Obama is trying to make modest, almost milquetoast-y kinds of changes. Romney and Grinch will never change anything.

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: You're forgetting Warren Harding, who had one of the most corrupt administrations in history. And Calvin Coolidge, who had to deal with the mess after Harding died. And Andrew Johnson, the first president to get impeached. Or James Buchanon, whose ineptitude allowed the civil war to start. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...of_the_United_States According to this article, from unofficial polling, Obama would rank in the top ten. Not bad for a first term.

I obviously should have written, of those Presidents who have served during my lifespan. As to the poll you mentioned, I'll accept that some folks would agree with that, depends on who you ask, what you ask and how the questions are asked. The results also will be dependent on what the pollsters is trying to achieve and their agenda. It is very difficult to conduct a truly innocent poll that does not reflect the pollsters own agenda/position. Polls are easy to manipulate if you wish. But, that discussion can take place another day. I can assure you, that particular poll was not the average middleclass voter. But, we shall see.

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The key thing is to wake up breathing! All the rest can be fixed. (Except Stupid - You can't fix that)

quote Originally posted by blackrams: I obviously should have written, of those Presidents who have served during my lifespan. As to the poll you mentioned, I'll accept that some folks would agree with that, depends on who you ask, what you ask and how the questions are asked. The results also will be dependent on what the pollsters is trying to achieve and their agenda. It is very difficult to conduct a truly innocent poll that does not reflect the pollsters own agenda/position. Polls are easy to manipulate if you wish. But, that discussion can take place another day. I can assure you, that particular poll was not the average middleclass voter. But, we shall see.

No, you are quite right, according to the article it was an informal poll of presidential historians. People who study this for a living. According to the article, they try to use objective measures of success, such as legislation passed or initiatives achieved, things like that; not "do you like him?"

And yes, we shall see. We have almost a year until the election. That's an eternity in politics. Who knows what will happen?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: No matter who's on the ticket, Obama will be running against Bush.

This may be truer than it appears. It would be too easy to convince the deciding voters that our problems are hold outs from the previous Republican administration. Newt should distance himself from Bush (should be easy since he laid low). He is the only polarizing candidate that could secure enough of the Ron Paul wave of dissent to win. Again, if the GOP goes with the 'safe' candidate Romney, it will be Obama's second term. It seems to me that in times of uncertainty Americans don't 'change horses mid-stream.'

I perceived Bush as a likeable guy and not inherently evil, but not totally capable as a commander-in-chief. I so want to blame Dick Cheney for all the disasters of the 2000-2008 era. I didn't vote for Obama primarily because of his lack of experience. At least the Republicans aren't making that mistake now.

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: At least Obama is trying to make modest, almost milquetoast-y kinds of changes. Romney and Grinch will never change anything.

LOL

There is so much wrong with that post, I don't know where to start. So I won't. We're too far apart on this.

Ed Koch is commenting on Newt.
Newt Gingrich: Liberals’ Nightmare
http://www.newsmax.com/Koch...al&promo_code=DB48-1

quote Gingrich is perceived by all as the smartest of the eight Republican candidates vying for the presidency. He is also the whipping boy of all the commentators on the left, and his philosophical positions and character are attacked with a glee and a fierceness rarely seen. But my belief is that Gingrich is not suffering from the attacks. Rather than injuring him, he seems to be gaining new supporters and widening his lead. A recent Gallup poll shows Gingrich leading Romney 37 percent to 22 percent among Republican registered voters. Democrats who are supporters of President Obama and are hoping that he will face Newt Gingrich as the Republican candidate are mistaken in their belief that he will be easy to beat. Gingrich is appealing to the anger in this country toward all politicians, particularly those in Congress. The country is looking for a leader, unafraid to tell the truth, and many think that Newt Gingrich is that person.

quote Originally posted by spark1: It's like a revolving door of front runners. If the party names a hard right wacko or an old hack with heavy baggage, they can yet grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.

You said it better and in fewer words than I did.

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Well Ed Koch is certainly someone whose views I respect. LOL!!

Newt's latest ad.

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: Personal lives shouldn't matter, but don't you think character matters? After all, if he lies and cheats on his wife(s) why wouldn't he lie and cheat on anybody else?

A politician that won't lie and cheat? Tell me it it isn't so. All politicians are all statesmen serving their country in the very same way that George Washington stepped up to the plate to take on the British and then later to become the first President. By the way, was Newt's mouth moving?