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BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!! by Raydar
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Originally posted by mptighe:
Please show where you put equal blame on anyone from the right.


I started this thread to hold the Republicans accountable. I'm also not only *in* the Tea Party, I started our local group. You have NO IDEA what actions I'm taking to stop this runaway government CRAP. The establishment Republicans weren't much better. If they don't shape up, we'll replace them like we started doing in November.

 
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When Bush was getting torn apart, RIGHTFULLY SO, I was right here just as I am now.


And Obama should be torn apart when he deserves it, which is pretty damn frequently.

 
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Considering even the Republicans were treating him like he was the plague at the end of his term,


With low poll numbers, that's just politics as usual, which I am SICK of, by the way. Tell 'em all to knock it the hell off and FIX THE PROBLEMS they created. ALL of them.

 
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I'm all for debate, but people like you aren't even rational. You argue emotion and ignorance, calling it fact the whole time, against logic.


Not all the time. I'm pretty damned pissed off at what is happening to this country. I guess you've missed the hundreds of articles I've posted in support of my arguments. But yeah, sometimes I get pissed off, and I have the right to be. I don't need permission from you or anyone else to vent.

 
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Who are you at war with? Is it Obama, the Democrats, or the people on this forum?


All of the above. Obama is a socialist and is pretty damned clueless. The Democrats have been taken over by the far left, and I won't sit idly by while they turn this into a goddamn gulag.

 
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You're location says it all to me,


Really? I've lived in California most of my life, and I've seen this leftist bullshit screw up this state and bankrupt it, just like they're doing to the whole country now.

and it reminds me of this story...

 
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Every day John came to work, and every day he sat with his co-workers to eat lunch. At lunch he opened his lunch pail and immediately said "Not tuna fish again". After months of enduring this scene, one of his co-workers said "Christ John, if you hate tuna that much, why not just have your old lady make you something else?' John replied, "what do you mean? I make my own lunches."


That's what the Tea Party is all about. Trying to make REAL changes, not this leftist bullshit Obama is pushing.

 
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If the country has gone to hell the way you claim, either do something to try to change it, or get your passport renewed. No one is forcing you to live in California, or anywhere else in the US for that matter. If the liberals here are so "brainwashed" why spend the time and energy arguing with all of them? This is a damn car forum, not your personal political forum. You stated your opinion, what is arguing going to do? I learned not to argue about politics or religion when I was a teenager. So as not to be a total hypocrite here, this is the last thing I'll say to you about this. I seriously wonder how people tolerate you if this is how you really are.


Well, yessir! (salute). I'll be sure to ask your permission to speak from now on.

I'm stuck in California because I can't sell this house and get anything for it. I can't afford to move, just like it says below my avatar. Thank you Democrats, Barney Frank, ACORN and the CRA.

For a guy who doesn't argue politics, you sure have a lot to say about it.

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Originally posted by mptighe:

You came into this thread looking for a fight, with anyone who thought differently than you.



It's what he does.
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Originally posted by Marvin McInnis:


It's what he does.


Yup...there is Marvin, taking advantage of personal comments, right on schedule.

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Originally posted by fierobear:

That's what the Tea Party is all about. Trying to make REAL changes, not this leftist bullshit Obama is pushing.




Fierobear's methodology: The ways of a Tea Party member.

1. Use every chance to inject doubt/suspicion regardless of the threads title.

2. Actions by the president in any shape or form was not his decision, but was assisted by others and not the president.

3. Raise doubst that the president was actually present in any major decision.

4. The use of polls to demonstrate the president's low approval.

5. Never use any polls that favorably demonstrates.

6. Attack all persons who are not Republican.

7. Use the November election as a rallying point.

8. Use of strong words:

a. Communist
b. Socialist.
c. Leftist

9. Last resort: Offensive language.

a. Inter mix harsh language with strong words.




"Hey Fierobear, go long."

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Photo of President Obama waiting for Panetta to tell him to throw it. Ha. Just kidding.
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Originally posted by frontal lobe:

Photo of President Obama waiting for Panetta to tell him to throw it. Ha. Just kidding.


Heh, funny but the thing of it is, unlike Carter, Obama IS smart enough to have an advisor who can sway him to make the right decisions. In this case anyways.
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Originally posted by fierobear:


You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass.


This statement coming from you is laughable, considering you lie to suit your political views whenever possible. As a matter of fact, I have never seen you observe the truth when a lie or outrageous conspiracy could be more sensational and damning toward those you view as your political opponents. I think you are a real POS who would rather America lose so his "team" can win... we would all be better off if you would return your head to your posterior where it usually resides.

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He may be a crappy president but at least he has a few very good advisers on his staff. Good enough to make him make the right tough decisions. Too bad their expertise seems to be in military matters, if only he could get some good economy or financial advisors now he could save us from circling the drain.
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Originally posted by tbone42:


This statement coming from you is laughable, considering you lie to suit your political views whenever possible.


So now you're calling me a liar? Up yours.
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Originally posted by avengador1:

He may be a crappy president but at least he has a few very good advisers on his staff. Good enough to make him make the right tough decisions. Too bad their expertise seems to be in military matters, if only he could get some good economy or financial advisors now he could save us from circling the drain.


It is also a pity that he spent so much time trying to cram Obamacare down our throats, while the economy was melting down. Anyone think we're going to actually *save money* by adding 30 million people to what is basically an expansion of an already going broke Medicare?

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Originally posted by fierobear:


So now you're calling me a liar? Up yours.


And a piece of **** ! Dont forget that. Also, up yours too, you micro brained neanderthal. No reason for me to be nice about it anymore, considering you attacked me for no good reason in this thread. So yeah, get stuffed.

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And a piece of **** ! Dont forget that. Also, up yours too, you micro brained neanderhal. No reason for me to be nice about it anymore, considering you attacked me for no good reason in this thread. So yeah, get stuffed.


No reason, huh? After you said THIS:

 
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Quoted for Truth



You accuse me of being a liar, but forget your own post from yesterday? Evidently, your mind isn't up to these discussions if you can remember what YOU posted less than a day ago.

Dumbass.

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Originally posted by fierobear:


You accuse me of being a liar, but forget your own post from yesterday? Evidently, your mind isn't up to these discussions if you can remember what YOU posted less than a day ago.

Dumbass.


I like how you sign off with your name at the end of that message. At least you can admit to being a dumbass, but maybe you should have put "Sincerely," on the line before that.

Still, your very statement here is a lie. Can you keep anything straight you moron?

The only thing I posted yesterday was "quoted for truth" If that makes me a liar, its only in your mind. That was only a statement of agreement with mpgtighe. Go back and look you retard... or dont, that would likely be better for yourt argument if you dont go back and check because then you would see you are wrong. (As usual.) Just make it up as you go along, screw the facts, huh?

Geez, its gotta be real crowded in that rusty tin can you call a brain, having to check dates and facts and things must be HARD.

By the way, just because you say something twice and with emphasis does not make it true, it just makes you dumb and repetititve.

Are you trying to have a battle of wits even though you are unarmed? If you want to have an insult contest, just look in the mirror for the biggest insult to all of humanity. You.

Maybe I am being too hard on you? Perhaps you are misunderstood? Lets peel back the layers.. nope. You are an insulting reactionary who tries to **** on anyone who does not share the same views. I guess you deserve it , then.

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Bear....

With the utmost respect, I can understand a debate of the issues and even occasional blind loyalty to one's "side" as it were. God knows we've bumped heads often enough on various issues. I can even understand a certain degree of hyperbole being used when someone is trying to make a point.

But do you REALLY see yourself "at war" with those that disagree with you, including some of the people on this forum or were you just speaking metaphorically? If that's seriously how you view things AND you're the founder of your local Tea Party chapter, I can only assume that some of your fellow TP members see themselves as "enemy combatants" as well, rather than mere political opponents. That would at least clarify some of the impressions I've gotten by my observations of the TP movement, I'm afraid. In war, the concept of "extreme rendition" seems to be the order of the day. I sincerely hope that's actually not how you view the course of social interaction or those who disagree with you politically should be extremely relieved you don't have access to their home addresses and whatnot....Me included since I frequently disagree with you as well.

Also, you blame ACORN (among others admittedly) for your inability to sell your house? For real, guy? Not speculators, not Wall Street manipulations, not a lack of government oversight that began years ago and grew to a crescendo leaving you and millions of others sitting in a house that can't sell?

ACORN???

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Originally posted by tbone42:
The only thing I posted yesterday was "quoted for truth" If that makes me a liar, its only in your mind.



 
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considering you attacked me for no good reason in this thread.


If you can't add these two things together, you are not intellectually up to this discussion. Bye


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Yup...there is Marvin, taking advantage of personal comments, right on schedule.



That doesn't make him wrong, though.
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Originally posted by madcurl:


Fierobear's methodology: The ways of a Tea Party member.

1. Use every chance to inject doubt/suspicion regardless of the threads title.

2. Actions by the president in any shape or form was not his decision, but was assisted by others and not the president.

3. Raise doubst that the president was actually present in any major decision.

4. The use of polls to demonstrate the president's low approval.

5. Never use any polls that favorably demonstrates.

6. Attack all persons who are not Republican.

7. Use the November election as a rallying point.

8. Use of strong words:

a. Communist
b. Socialist.
c. Leftist

9. Last resort: Offensive language.

a. Inter mix harsh language with strong words.


What's the problem? You don't like it when Alinksy's Rules for Radicals are used against you? You're happy enough when Obama does it.
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Originally posted by Doni Hagan:
But do you REALLY see yourself "at war" with those that disagree with you, including some of the people on this forum or were you just speaking metaphorically? If that's seriously how you view things AND you're the founder of your local Tea Party chapter, I can only assume that some of your fellow TP members see themselves as "enemy combatants" as well, rather than mere political opponents. That would at least clarify some of the impressions I've gotten by my observations of the TP movement, I'm afraid. In war, the concept of "extreme rendition" seems to be the order of the day. I sincerely hope that's actually not how you view the course of social interaction or those who disagree with you politically should be extremely relieved you don't have access to their home addresses and whatnot....Me included since I frequently disagree with you as well.


I guess you weren't around before the 2006 and 2008 elections, when we conservatives were treated DAILY to the crap and vitriol from the Democrats and/or leftists here in O/T. They are getting a taste of their own medicine, and most seem to be able to dish it out but not take it, given the fact that they whine and cry like slapped little girls AND most of them disappeared immediately after the 2008 election. I guess they couldn't be bothered to discuss and answer for the absurdities coming from those they elected.

 
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Also, you blame ACORN (among others admittedly) for your inability to sell your house? For real, guy? Not speculators, not Wall Street manipulations, not a lack of government oversight that began years ago and grew to a crescendo leaving you and millions of others sitting in a house that can't sell?

ACORN???



One piece to the puzzle, Doni, not the whole picture.

The government pushed banks to make the loans, ACORN put public pressure (using playing the "racist" card and filing lawsuits) on the banks, and "Wall Street" did their best to minimize the damage by securitizing mortgages (bundling bad and good mortgages into investment packages) to spread the risk they'd been forced to take on. Bush and McCain tried to introduce regulation to deal with it, but didn't get enough support. Prominent Democrats, like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd ran interference and said there isn't a problem. I can easily find links for you later, or you can just Google search it.

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That doesn't make him wrong, though.


1. That's your OPINION. That, plus $3, will buy you a fancy coffee at Starbucks. Otherwise, it has no other value.

2. You said I dragged you into this, but conveniently forgot that YOU brought YOURSELF into it with your "quoted for truth" comment. YOU did it. Either that means you forgot, or you are lying. Either way, you fail and call *me* a liar? Geez.

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Okey dokey then, Bear.

I guess that's a resounding "yes" on both counts.

Thanks for responding.

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Originally posted by fierobear:


1. That's your OPINION. That, plus $3, will buy you a fancy coffee at Starbucks. Otherwise, it has no other value.


I'll give you credit, that's funny. You obviously did not come up with it, but are parroting it. Still, funny.

 
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2. You said I dragged you into this, but conveniently forgot that YOU brought YOURSELF into it with your "quoted for truth" comment. YOU did it. Either that means you forgot, or you are lying. Either way, you fail and call *me* a liar? Geez.


Go back to page 2.. I forget NOTHING. You were looking for a fight, and you dragged me into an insult fest because you did not like the fact that I posted about the dates of "mission accomplished" and "Osama killed announcement".. Although it was only for trivia that I posted it, you accused me of "talking **** " and I wasn't.

For that, you took it to task to insult me and argue. So yeah, you dragged me into it by insulting me when none was pointed at you. Talk about selective memory... Anyhow, I will let it go. You are obviously not worth the time it took to even have sex to make you, and you sure aren't worth the time to point out your legion of errors.. you think you are infallible. Well, go on and live in your fantasy world.

I suppose now is where you emphatically deny that ever happened even though ANYONE can go back to page 2 in this thread and read what I said and how you reacted to it. Or just go ahead and re-write history to anything you want it to be, thats your normal M.O. anyways. Either way, your tactics are below me and I refuse to listen to you try and lie some more.

Back at ya!
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Originally posted by fierobear:


One piece to the puzzle, Doni, not the whole picture.

The government pushed banks to make the loans, ACORN put public pressure (using playing the "racist" card and filing lawsuits) on the banks, and "Wall Street" did their best to minimize the damage by securitizing mortgages (bundling bad and good mortgages into investment packages) to spread the risk they'd been forced to take on. Bush and McCain tried to introduce regulation to deal with it, but didn't get enough support. Prominent Democrats, like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd ran interference and said there isn't a problem. I can easily find links for you later, or you can just Google search it.


If you are going to talk about the mortgage crisis and somehow blame it all on thte left please start a new thread, I'd love to see your evidence.

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Did he actually say Wall Street tried to HELP the situation? Yeah ok, Wall Street was altruistically trying to make a better world for everyone. They didn't profit off of the situation, and it's the government's fault that the banks were greedy. Wow, just wow. I hope the Tea Party has better stuff than that, and I hope they have people more capable of arguing their points or they're basically going to be a fad.

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Originally posted by fierobear:


One piece to the puzzle, Doni, not the whole picture.

The government pushed banks to make the loans, ACORN put public pressure (using playing the "racist" card and filing lawsuits) on the banks, and "Wall Street" did their best to minimize the damage by securitizing mortgages (bundling bad and good mortgages into investment packages) to spread the risk they'd been forced to take on. Bush and McCain tried to introduce regulation to deal with it, but didn't get enough support. Prominent Democrats, like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd ran interference and said there isn't a problem. I can easily find links for you later, or you can just Google search it.


I truly abhor having to discuss every issue in terms of race but I will say this.....If the entire housing crisis was initiated by a misguided yet concerted effort to insure home ownership for minorities exclusively as your statement implies, how do you explain all of those "melanin-challenged" homeowners currently in foreclosure? Perhaps some "non-minorities" qualified as "minorities" based upon the premise that they didn't own houses....yet another special-interest group to be sure or perhaps you view them as "collateral damage" in the war you seem to see yourself waging. Also, the banks and Wall Street were among the victims here? Interesting perspective. I'm sure Lehman Bros (et al) would be pleased with your views on the subject.

Nice shot, though.

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Originally posted by mptighe:

Did he actually say Wall Street tried to HELP the situation?


That's the way I read it also...

Perhaps we've both misinterpreted his views.
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Originally posted by mptighe:

Did he actually say Wall Street tried to HELP the situation? Yeah ok, Wall Street was altruistically trying to make a better world for everyone. They didn't profit off of the situation, and it's the government's fault that the banks were greedy. Wow, just wow. I hope the Tea Party has better stuff than that, and I hope they have people more capable of arguing their points or they're basically going to be a fad.



Another take: Why would "Wall Street" want a crash? Wall street thrives when the economy thrives. Wall street is the businesses and manufacturers what employ teh citizens. Its not aln altruistic system, it doesn't have to be it supports itself for the most part. Of course with regulation and enforcement. Unless monkeywrenches get thrown in.

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Another take: Why would "Wall Street" want a crash? Wall street thrives when the economy thrives. Wall street is the businesses and manufacturers what employ teh citizens. Its not aln altruistic system, it doesn't have to be it supports itself for the most part. Of course with regulation and enforcement. Unless monkeywrenches get thrown in.


I don't think Wall Street "wanted a crash" but IMHO to infer that they didn't see a chance to "game the system" as it were is giving them a lot more ethical credit than they deserve in this particular instance.

It reminds me of that old W.C. Fields quote....Never give a sucker an even break.
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I don't think Wall Street "wanted a crash" but IMHO to infer that they didn't see a chance to "game the system" as it were is giving them a lot more ethical credit than they deserve in this particular instance.

It reminds me of that old W.C. Fields quote....Never give a sucker an even break.


If they did it, and did it legally, maybe regulations need addressed?
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Another take: Why would "Wall Street" want a crash? Wall street thrives when the economy thrives. Wall street is the businesses and manufacturers what employ teh citizens. Its not aln altruistic system, it doesn't have to be it supports itself for the most part. Of course with regulation and enforcement. Unless monkeywrenches get thrown in.


Wall St. is not a monolithic organization that acts even in it's own interest as a whole. So while the abstract Wall st. may want to avoid a collapse, the individual banker may not mind a wall st collapse or burst bubble if he feels he will come out ahead in the aftermath. There is some tipping point where the number of folks acting in their own self interest, with no regard to the interest of the financial system as a whole can cause the hiccup in the system like the one we are now dealing with.
In other words, a bunch of jerks trying to get rich quick ruined it for everyone.
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If they did it, and did it legally, maybe regulations need addressed?


Most certainly....although there are a myriad of instances where the legality of some of the practices employed are in question under existing regulations.....loophole ridden though they may be.

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Wall St. is not a monolithic organization that acts even in it's own interest as a whole. So while the abstract Wall st. may want to avoid a collapse, the individual banker may not mind a wall st collapse or burst bubble if he feels he will come out ahead in the aftermath. There is some tipping point where the number of folks acting in their own self interest, with no regard to the interest of the financial system as a whole can cause the hiccup in the system like the one we are now dealing with.
In other words, a bunch of jerks trying to get rich quick ruined it for everyone.


Is there some evidence that the below is not true?


"Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Banks were forced to meet a quota of sub-prime mortgages or pay big penalties. So to comply with their quotas they made mortgages affordable by using schemes like:

"100 percent financing . . ."
"No down payment . . ."
"Interest only loans . . ."
"No income . . .
"No job . . ."
"No assets . . ."
"No credit scores . . ."
"Low credit scores . . ."
"No SSN required . . ."
"ITIN identification accepted . . ."
"Undocumented income . . . even if you don't report it on your tax returns . . ."

There was no question that the lenders were threatened with charges of violating the CRA if they didn't make home loans to people with poor credit ratings. Community activist groups like ACORN patrolled the lenders to make sure that unqualified buyers could get loans. When Obama was a lawyer/community activist he represented ACORN and sued Fannie Mae to reduce the requirements for getting mortgages. So the lenders complied and loaned to high risk buyers. As any banker will tell you, your credit rating determines your interest rate. So these high risk buyers wound up with adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs).

Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties.

The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory."
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The black caucus led the way in the morgage crisis back in 2002, 2003,, the evidence is overwheming ..BUSH and then Cheney screamed about the damage it would cause. after weeks of RACIST<RACIST<RACIST they gave up then it was decided that white poor who also could not pay back a loan should join in the FUN,,The BANKs were forced to join in..
I apoligize that Osama did not get torn apart by Ravenous Hogs,,I just dream it!! I love funny dreams ,this one is a hoot.
FUNNY HOW MUCH INFO HAS BEEN WHITE WASHED ,but still the evidence is land slide stuff,,I remember this well & im Brain damaged ,,all the financial talk shows could not believe they would allow this to happen.Every black congressman and woman involved should hang for this,serious rope dancing ,,wait till you see the final price !!
..In 2002,2003 the democrats destroyed America ,, the destruction is still happening
It is one of the main reasons for $3.00gas!! ENJOY THESE GREAT TIMES OF CHEAP GAS,, get out there & buy more expensive foriegn cars ,,let the suckers buy american,,We gotta get more americans unemployed,, where I live most construction is done by illegals with false papers ,,Legal caucasians?? ,much to expensive to hire when you can get a foreman who speaks english & SPANISH.
the Union destroyed Saturn ,Saturn never made a profit
I do not care if they make Hondas under George Washingtons grave,buy american,,I realize G.M built crap for 40 years,,with Camaro one of the POS worst cars ever made,, Ford as usuall is twice the CAR any G.M. is ,,avoid the complete POS volt,unless you are wealthy

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If you are going to talk about the mortgage crisis and somehow blame it all on thte left please start a new thread, I'd love to see your evidence.



Been there, done that. I guess you missed it.

 
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Did he actually say Wall Street tried to HELP the situation? Yeah ok, Wall Street was altruistically trying to make a better world for everyone. They didn't profit off of the situation, and it's the government's fault that the banks were greedy. Wow, just wow. I hope the Tea Party has better stuff than that, and I hope they have people more capable of arguing their points or they're basically going to be a fad.



No, I said Wall Street was told to make loans they didn't want to make, and they dealt with it by packaging those loans into trade-able securities to spread the risk.

 
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I truly abhor having to discuss every issue in terms of race but I will say this.....If the entire housing crisis was initiated by a misguided yet concerted effort to insure home ownership for minorities exclusively as your statement implies, how do you explain all of those "melanin-challenged" homeowners currently in foreclosure? Perhaps some "non-minorities" qualified as "minorities" based upon the premise that they didn't own houses....yet another special-interest group to be sure or perhaps you view them as "collateral damage" in the war you seem to see yourself waging.


No, Doni, you're oversimplifying again. The loans to minorities thing is just another piece to the puzzle.

 
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Also, the banks and Wall Street were among the victims here? Interesting perspective. I'm sure Lehman Bros (et al) would be pleased with your views on the subject.

Nice shot, though.



To some degree, yes. Look at it this way - let's say you have a buddy that's a bad risk. You know if you loan him money, the chances are you won't get paid back. He's stiffed you before. Then someone comes along and tells you if you don't loan him the money, there will be negative consequences for you. Maybe it's your boss or something, the guy is his friend, and he'll fire you or something. What do you do?

It's difficult to transfer the situation into a personal one, but that's kinda what we're talking about here. All the factors I told you came together and crashed the housing market.

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If they did it, and did it legally, maybe regulations need addressed?


You know what's *really* funny? Obama and the community organizers are trying it AGAIN!

FYI, part of the thing I've been telling you about is called "redlining", that is, not making loans to minorities. Don't believe me, read this from Bloomberg:

A Renewed Crackdown on Redlining
In the wake of the subprime implosion, the Obama Administration has stepped up its scrutiny of disadvantaged neighborhoods' credit access

By Clea Benson

Community activists in St. Louis became concerned a couple of years ago that local banks weren't offering credit to the city's poor and African American residents. So they formed a group called the St. Louis Equal Housing and Community Reinvestment Alliance and began writing complaint letters to federal regulators.

Apparently, someone in Washington took notice. The Federal Reserve has cited one of the group's targets, Midwest BankCentre, a small bank that has been operating in St. Louis's predominantly white, middle-class suburbs for over a century, for failing to issue home mortgages or open branches in disadvantaged areas. Although executives at the bank say they don't discriminate, Midwest BankCentre's latest annual report says it is in the process of negotiating a settlement with the U.S. Justice Dept. over its lending practices.

Lawyers and bank consultants say regulators and the Obama Administration are scrutinizing financial institutions for a practice that last drew attention before the rise of subprime lending: redlining. The term dates from the 1930s, when the Federal Housing Administration drew up maps using red ink to delineate inner-city neighborhoods considered too risky for lending. Congress later passed laws banning lending discrimination on the basis of race and other characteristics. "The agencies have refocused on redlining because, in the wake of the subprime explosion and sudden implosion, they are looking at these disadvantaged neighborhoods and not seeing any credit access," says Jo Ann Barefoot, co-chair at Treliant Risk Advisors in Washington, D.C., which consults with banks on regulatory issues.

The 1977 Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) requires banks to make loans in all the areas they serve, not just the wealthy ones. A Bloomberg analysis found the percentage of banks earning negative ratings from regulators on CRA exams has risen from 1.45 percent in 2007 to more than 6 percent in the first quarter of this year.

At the Justice Dept., a new 20-person unit dedicated to fair lending issues received a record number of discrimination referrals from regulators in 2010 and has dozens of open cases, according to a recent agency report. Potential penalties can reach into the millions of dollars. "We are using every tool in our arsenal to combat lending discrimination," Thomas E. Perez, the assistant attorney general for the Civil Rights Div., told a conference of community development advocates in Washington in April.

To some banks the crackdown has come as a surprise, say consultants and lawyers representing financial institutions in discussions with regulators. Like Midwest BankCentre, some lenders are being cited for failing to operate in minority and low-income census tracts near their branches, even when they have never done business there before. "If you put your branches only in upper-income areas, the regulators are not accepting that anymore," says Warren W. Traiger, a lawyer at BuckleySandler in New York, which advises banks on fair lending issues.

Mortgage refinancing activity doubled in white neighborhoods but dropped sharply in minority neighborhoods in a sample of major U.S. cities in 2008 and 2009, according to Paying More for the American Dream, an April study by a group of seven community development nonprofits. "The pendulum has swung back too far the other way," says Kevin Stein, associate director of the California Reinvestment Coalition in San Francisco, one of the report's authors.

Bank lobbyists say the stepped-up government scrutiny could backfire if financial institutions decide to shrink their operations rather than yield to pressure to do business in areas that don't make sense for them. "It would do a disservice to communities for a bank to suddenly pull back," says Robert Rowe, vice-president and senior counsel at the American Bankers Assn.

Meanwhile, in Missouri, things are starting to change. Midwest BankCentre Chairman Ronald T. Barnes recently announced the bank would open a branch in Pagedale, a town near St. Louis that is predominantly African American.

The bottom line: Lenders have been caught off guard by stepped-up enforcement of laws to prevent discrimination against minorities and the poor.

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Cadillac is discriminating against me. I demand I get a 110% (for the taxes and fees) financed loan with 0 down with a payment I can afford, like less than $200 a month.
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Now *this* makes sense...the CIA is showing the pictures to certain lawmakers.

Sen. Inhofe Has Seen Dead OBL Photos. Here Is His Graphic Description of Them.
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You know what's *really* funny? Obama and the community organizers are trying it AGAIN!

FYI, part of the thing I've been telling you about is called "redlining", that is, not making loans to minorities. Don't believe me, read this from Bloomberg:

A Renewed Crackdown on Redlining
In the wake of the subprime implosion, the Obama Administration has stepped up its scrutiny of disadvantaged neighborhoods' credit access



So you agree with banking discrimination or "redlining"???

Did you not see the examples of predatory lending?

Did the CRA force banks into bad loans?

 
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"CRA applies only to banks and thrifts that are federally insured; it's conceived as a quid pro quo for that privilege, among others. This means the law doesn't apply to independent mortgage companies (or payday lenders, check-cashers, etc.) "

"In late 2004, the Bush administration announced plans to sharply weaken CRA regulations, pulling small and mid-sized banks out from under the law's toughest standards. Yet sub-prime lending continued, and even intensified -- at the very time when activity under CRA had slowed and the law had weakened. "

"half of sub-prime loans came from those mortgage companies beyond the reach of CRA. A further 25 to 30 percent came from bank subsidiaries and affiliates, which come under CRA to varying degrees but not as fully as banks themselves. (With affiliates, banks can choose whether to count the loans.) Perhaps one in four sub-prime loans were made by the institutions fully governed by CRA. "

" Independent mortgage companies, which are not covered by CRA, made high-priced loans at more than twice the rate of the banks and thrifts."

"It's telling that, amid all the recent recriminations, even lenders have not fingered CRA. That's because CRA didn't bring about the reckless lending at the heart of the crisis. Just as sub-prime lending was exploding, CRA was losing force and relevance. And the worst offenders, the independent mortgage companies, were never subject to CRA -- or any federal regulator. Law didn't make them lend. The profit motive did.

And that is not political correctness. It is correctness."

http://prospect.org/cs/arti..._the_subprime_crisis

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http://prospect.org/cs/arti..._the_subprime_crisis



Article's author:

"Robert Gordon is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress." (far left think tank).

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