realisticly it would be ridiculously naieve to believe that we are the only "intelligent" life forms. To me this is laregly hinged on what we consider to be a life form. For all we know (i know this is ridiculous) what people consider to be ghosts could truly be a life form that we merely interpret as something else. Also i would really hope that they wouldnt have the human metality of "wow its different... lets kill it" and ever more than that i would wonder about communication. If we have wars based on miscommunications in human languages extrapolate it accordingly...

Ryan

What others have said.
We'd have to be hugely egocentric to think we're alone out there.

Just look at our position in the milky way.. we're in the sticks.. wonder what things are like in the core..
And that's just our little tiny galaxy.. how many galaxy's are there? something like every 5th "star" you see is actually a galaxy full of stars?

They are here--they came for our women.
They live.
Ross Perot is a Vulcan--I've seen his pointy ears.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Ross Perot is a Vulcan--I've seen his pointy ears.

he's actually chinese. he had an accident... as a small child... with a... mechanical rice picker.

I think if aliens really were visiting earth (vs do they exist in the first place) we would already be far down this path of contact. Could be good, could be bad but I think even the aliens would have not traveled the great distant just to beat up on someone else ("I dunno Grok, but I think that's an awful long way to go to bully someone"). Hence, the contact would probably be friendly unless there is some biological incompatibility that neither side understood. Then it could get ugly fast.

If aliens were visiting earth it's probably not a recent thing so we would already have been in contact for a long time.

Things would settle out once each side got over trying to convince the other of their beliefs.

I think intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is totally possible but I think it's extremely unlikely they have visited earth. Considering the size of the universe and it's expansion, it's quite unlikely anyone in much of the universe can transverse the distance and over time it just gets worse and we will be shut off from each other.

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quote Originally posted by TK: I think intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is totally possible but I think it's extremely unlikely they have visited earth.

I am not fully convinced intelligent life exists here on earth.

I think aliens are very much real. Whether they have been here or not nobody knows.. all of the so called evidence is about as credible as the paranormal evidence of ghosts and such. There really isn't any. If there is it's certainly been covered up and hidden very well, which is nearly impossible to do since most people will spill any story for a buck.

I was obducted by female aliens, they made me have sex with all of them in the space ship and now they are having my alien babies. There plan is to infiltrate the world with my kid aliens that look human and turn the human race into hybrids. I wish they would come back and get me and do it again,that was fun.

Those were illegal aliens.. paco and sanchez.

hence the anal probe.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: I am not fully convinced intelligent life exists here on earth.

Agreed, but we can't stop looking. Maybe someday!

There is zero evidence intelligent life exists elsewhere but since we are here, the idea doesn't violate any laws. I'm certainly not making that assumption without some evidence. Possible vs probable. Who knows. On the other hand just because we are here isn't proof they are there. All we know is we are here and nothing else. It certainly doesn't justify the aliens-exist industry.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: hence the anal probe.

The city of San Francisco is actually planning on building a landing base with a large beacon for them...

Okay, survey says!

ALIENS DO EXIST!

http://cbs4.com/local/alien...tchell.2.781189.html

Former Astronaut Claims "Aliens Are Among Us"
Lake Worth (CBS) ¯ A former NASA astronaut says he believes aliens do exist, and that the space agency has covered up evidence of their visits.

Doctor Edgar Mitchell is a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission. He's one of only 12 men who have walked on the moon.

During a British radio interview, he said extra-terrestrials have visited the Earth. Further, he says the government has known about the outer-space visitors for at least the last sixty years.

Dr. Mitchell now lives in Lake Worth. "There are billions and billion of stars in the galaxy," he explained to a reporter, "And it doesn't take but a few planets circling around starts to create quite a few civilizations."

The reporter went on to ask him about the supposed alien visits. "I don't' know how many or how they're doing it," Mitchell responded, "But I believe they've been observing us for some time. We see these craft all the time."

NASA disagrees. In a written statement, the space agency said it does not track UFOs. A spokesperson said that while NASA does not share Mitchell's opinion, he is still a great American.

(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)

Aliens may exist, but the power required to travel the distances between different parts of the galaxy are too great. From what I’ve seen we need to harness the power of a black hole to travel those distances. Even using the power of one sun doesn’t do it.

What is interesting though is NEC corporation while testing photonic transistors found you could send light faster than the speed of light (it gets there before you send it). They were testing methods to improve computer processing power.

http://www.iitk.ac.in/infoc...3/science_light.html

This sets up the possibility of being able to communicate forward and backward in time.

So it may be more likely we develop time communication and travel before the ability to travel around the galaxy.

Who knows what humans will look like 5000 years from now? Maybe the aliens are a 4th grade history class just visiting.

quote Originally posted by tesmith66: electric Amish.

LOL

quote Originally posted by mike-ohio: Aliens may exist, but the power required to travel the distances between different parts of the galaxy are too great. From what I’ve seen we need to harness the power of a black hole to travel those distances. Even using the power of one sun doesn’t do it.

Say what?

If I were on the ISS and took a tennis ball and chucked it out the window, it would continue flying across space until it hit something.

Now maybe you want to get somewhere interesting _tomorrow_, which means you do need a lot of energy so you can cruise close to the speed of light. Half would be burned getting up to speed, and half would be burned slowing down. Still I think it would be easier to bend space than travel 4 years to the nearest star at the speed of light.

I think traveling *near* the speed of light will be easier than bending or warping space to cut the distance. If you have enough time you can accelerate continuously...although you might be dust when the beeper goes off.

quote Originally posted by ryan.hess: Say what? If I were on the ISS and took a tennis ball and chucked it out the window, it would continue flying across space until it hit something. Now maybe you want to get somewhere interesting _tomorrow_, which means you do need a lot of energy so you can cruise close to the speed of light. Half would be burned getting up to speed, and half would be burned slowing down. Still I think it would be easier to bend space than travel 4 years to the nearest star at the speed of light.

I've gotta agree there. Even the most efficient fuel imaginable still has mass, and the energy to get anywhere near the speed of light would require an ungodly mass of fuel... assuming you'd need an equal amount of fuel burn to slow down, the problem becomes self-evident. Bending space or somehow creating a wormhole sounds pretty far-fetched from where we're at today, but it would be more likely to be feasible given the technology.

just because we haven't figured out FTL travel doesn't mean it cant be done, or that some intelligent squid from beta auriga hasn't found a way. toward the center of the galaxy there may well be dozens, even hundreds of civilizations within radio range of each other, and the exchange of knowledge might well speed technological development by hundreds of years. or maybe not.

quote NASA disagrees. In a written statement, the space agency said it does not track UFOs.

True statement. Not NASA's job. That falls to NSA and USAF, as well as a few other agencies. But not NASA.

I find it amusing how quick people are to jump onto something like this without any real evidence or critical thinking and immediately attack religion for some reason. The fact of the matter is a guy said something and as far as I know has no real proof. If it is real, and he was threatened in his younger years why would he talk now? because he's old? His family can still be gotten to so there goes that arguement. Disinformation? Then the question is why? Press for NASA and additional funding? Maybe. Secret society to discredit religion? Possible. Crazy guy just looking for attention? Never met him so I couldn't say. I did watch a show where college kids hooked up electricity to a helmet and made people wear it and they all woke up telling stories of little gray people. No saying how real that was either. As far as attacking religion though, that arguement doesn't work. If you look at the Bible as a history book you would clearly see something like a war. One guy didn't like who was in charge so he left or was gotten to leave. it's possible he wasn't the only one who didn't want to answer to the boss so others went with him. So now it is plainly obvious to people in organized religion that we aren't the only intelligent life out there. We aren't and the Bible says so. Sometimes people need to remember that some words we use today didn't exist back then so they described things the best way that they understood them.

they would bring back elvis, pick up E.T.'s remains and apologize for leaving wacko jacko to prey on our children. er, lil boys since thats all hes into.

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Some (I live in the south) can't even accept the fact that T Rex once walked the earth. They think fossels are all fake, placed here by the devel to fools us. Can you imagine what they would do the to ET!

The bible also talks about dinosaurs. The word dinosaur wasn't even invented until the 50's. Before that they were called dragons. Other writings of behemoth and leviathon clearly show people were aware of large reptiles. If you know people who think that bones are left here by the devil then they are poorly educated in the Bible and shouldn't be used as examples towards everyone who has read it and payed attention.

quote Originally posted by joshua riedl: The bible also talks about dinosaurs. The word dinosaur wasn't even invented until the 50's. Before that they were called dragons. Other writings of behemoth and leviathon clearly show people were aware of large reptiles. If you know people who think that bones are left here by the devil then they are poorly educated in the Bible and shouldn't be used as examples towards everyone who has read it and payed attention.

Maybe just a little earlier than that! heh

http://www.conservapedia.com/Dinosaur

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Dinosaurs (Greek: äåéíüò (IPA: /dɛinos/) and óáýñïò (/sauɾos/); terrible lizard) were reptilian creatures which are now generally believed to be extinct. They were known for their large size, although some species weighed just a few ounces. The word dinosaur was coined in 1841 by Richard Owen[1], from the Greek words for "terrible lizard", and reflected the creatures' large size and fearsome appearance to the early paleontologists.

You got me. I should have fact checked first.

quote Originally posted by joshua riedl: The word dinosaur wasn't even invented until the 50's.

wikipedia:
'Dinosaur classification began in 1842 when Sir Richard Owen placed Iguanodon, Megalosaurus, and Hylaeosaurus in "a distinct tribe or suborder of Saurian Reptiles, for which I would propose the name of Dinosauria."'

DURN YOU, Red88FF!

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quote Originally posted by lurker: DURN YOU, Red88FF!

Interesting, one says 1841 and the other 1842.

Anbody remember the fossils that were found of a foot print left by a souled shoe?

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Interesting, one says 1841 and the other 1842.

that caught my eye too. it may be that he "coined" the word in '41 and published it in '42.

quote Originally posted by joshua riedl: The word dinosaur wasn't even invented until the 50's.

Well, 1841 (or 42) is only a few years removed from the 1850's.

If Aliens do exist, avoid anything experiments involving a probe. I heard they can get be bit out of hand. Also, if your over weight and the Aliens says, " On Mars we don't discriminate, we have a universal book titled, "To Serve Man." I'd run...it's a cook book!

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quote Originally posted by Francis T: Some (I live in the south) can't even accept the fact that T Rex once walked the earth. They think fossels are all fake, placed here by the devel to fools us. Can you imagine what they would do the to ET!

I know one guy whos a regular at the restaurant. Hes dead serious....he says the earth is only a few thousand years old, and dinosaurs were just made up by scientists.... He says fossils arent real, there all faked by the same scientists.

I think it would rule if they crash landed and were more stupid than we are. They'd have older technology and all. Why are they always super high brain power users and high tech. People used to think by the year 2000 we'd surely be flying around in hover cars too.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: They'd have older technology and all. Why are they always super high brain power users and high tech.

because they have interstellar drives and navigation systems and their spacecraft can carry them beyond the first rock?
now, maybe they live in a highly specialized society, like ants or bees, and keep the smart ones home, only sending out their highly specialized soldiers into space to harvest the galaxy, but that doesn't bode well, does it?

the first living cell on this earth came from a metior strike and was the start of life for this planet.
after time went on and the climet differences influenced different animals and plants.
This plants started from the time sheets hitting during some flexing a very long time ago.
No one planed this
man {and woman} come from Apes and will be here until about 2018.
Yes aliens wil return to guide us to starting a new world after most of use are wiped out in WW3 starting within 3 years
the Aliens are watching us and will come here when its safe to do so

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quote Originally posted by proff: the first living cell on this earth came from a metior strike and was the start of life for this planet.

And where did that cell come from originally?

How did it survive the journey?

Did it have a cell phone?

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: There already here/ been here. The first thing if it was proven indisputable, would be all the religious leaders would go into super panic mode. Goes against every widespread current religion.

And the Scientologists will be saying "I told you so"