I am constantly amazed at the number of pilots that think it will not fly. If they do not understand how an aircraft flies should they really be flying?
Look at the NUMEROUS times I told Gozart it would fly. Guess I should have added a smiley.
Gene
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
If they can fake the whole moon landing, don't you think they can fake the plane flying?
Gene
[sarcasm] Well, if you want to get technical. Francis Ford Coppola doesn't direct Mythbusters, nor does he have any affiliation with the Discover Channel. As far as I know. [/sarcasm]
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
[sarcasm] Well, if you want to get technical. Francis Ford Coppola doesn't direct Mythbusters, nor does he have any affiliation with the Discover Channel. As far as I know. [/sarcasm]
Ron Howard directed Apollo 13, and it was so realistic some people have thought footage from the film was archival footage. But Ron was still in Mayberry during the Apollo missions, so that rules him out.
Linky! Linky!!LINNNNKKKKYYYYYY!!! ME WANNA SEE!!! WAAAAHHHHH!!! I got up at 5:30am to see a linky!! AND PFF FAILED ME!!!! Hahahaha!! Just kidding, guys!! And don´t pick on Gokart!! He ain´t dumb!! He was just trying to prove how daft the question was worded ..ambiguous, to say the least Nick
Come on guys, go kart knew it would fly and admitted it a few pages ago.
I would rather not see a lynch mob (not meant as racist) gather for the people that did not think it would fly. I know a few normally very very intelligent people that for some reason just could not grasp the concept of how an airdrive works in relation to the ground, or water current, or evidently the conveyor. Most of us are better than that and all our minds work a bit differently as far as problem solving goes. That said,,,,, a pilot should lose his license for it! I didn't get to see it because of lack of cable or TV reception, but are you guys saying a pilot was seen by everyone around the world taking the wrong side of this debate?
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are you guys saying a pilot was seen by everyone around the world taking the wrong side of this debate?
They said the pilot that flew the plane off of the belt did not think it would take off. I can understand an average person being confused, but any pilot should understand the physics of how a plane works enough to know it would take off. I wouldn't want to be a passenger on his plane! ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver"
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cliffw Member
Posts: 37857 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Of course, . If the treadmill was going the same direction as the plane, would it take off twice as quick ?
One needs to define a few parameters before entertaining such a question. Are the brakes locked? Same Pilot? Is the thrust reversed? Will wind pass over the wings from the front or the back? Does the engine even need to be running? Oh My................. What do you think? Would it matter if it was a helicopter?
------------------ Ron
It's the Soldier, not the reporter Who has given us the freedom of the press. It's the Soldier, not the poet, Who has given us the freedom of speech. It's the Soldier, not the politicians That ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It's the Soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag.
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Im not hiding. I guess I was wrong. Well Im in good company, the 40 year veteran pilot also thought the same thing. I was thinking it out too logically I guess. Now on the other side, I didnt see in any posts where it clearly said the treadmill was set to run at planes takeoff speed. They all referred to it being computer controlled, and the show makes no reference to anything being computerized.
And yes I do still fly, and have several thousand hours logged in jet fighters. ... T-33, F100, F4. I also owned my own air charter service with a Lance, Arrow III, Cherokee, 2 172 XPs, and 2 172Ns. So I dont think idiot is appropriate. Personally I think anyone who uses catalyzed primer is an idiot....
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A computer controlled converbelt would have only helped the plane, jamie said as soon as the plane started moving he gunned it so i wold say that convaer belt was moving a lot faster then the 25mph take off speed. also the guy was a ultralight pilot. I don't know what other states rules are but in Missouri you don't need any type of licenses to fly a ultra light.
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Deabionni Member
Posts: 4088 From: Kalkaska, MI Registered: Mar 2004
Originally posted by chrisgtp: A computer controlled converbelt would have only helped the plane, jamie said as soon as the plane started moving he gunned it so i wold say that convaer belt was moving a lot faster then the 25mph take off speed. also the guy was a ultralight pilot. I don't know what other states rules are but in Missouri you don't need any type of licenses to fly a ultra light.
The rules may have changed, I'll try to find time to look it up but, last time I looked into it, Ultra lights didn't require any kind of license, physical or for all that matters, training. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will point out the error of my ways.
Actually, I'm still in wonder that they found a pilot willing to be pulled backwards on a tarp equivalent to his take off speed while he attempted to take off. Too many uncontrolled variables. What if the wind had not done as fore casted and blew that tarp up in front of him? I guess it wouldn't have been an issue since he didn't think the plane was going to move.
Ultra Light Pilots in general, love aviation and flying but that doesn't mean they are trained aviators. Short story: I led a flight of helicopters cross country, Five Scouts, half a dozen Utility Helicopters and four Chinooks. Now, for those that don't know, helicopters put out one heck of a wind blast when hovering. Especially Chinooks, huge A/C with twin or dual rotor systems. We stopped for hot fuel in Ada, OK. Hot fuel is a term for topping off the fuel while the A/C is still running, pretty normal in military (Army) flying. There were several Ultra Lights doing their thing, we did everything we could to avoid them but, Hot Fuel was only available at one location on the airfield. Well, you can guess what happened, we had all topped off and were hovering out for a formation take off and one of the Ultra Lights taxi'd out right beside a hovering Chinook. The blast of air coming off that Chinook flipped the Ultra Light about five times before he came to rest upside down about a hundred feet away. Stupid Pilot. ------------------ Ron
It's the Soldier, not the reporter Who has given us the freedom of the press. It's the Soldier, not the poet, Who has given us the freedom of speech. It's the Soldier, not the politicians That ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It's the Soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag.
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Im not hiding. I guess I was wrong. Well Im in good company, the 40 year veteran pilot also thought the same thing. I was thinking it out too logically I guess. Now on the other side, I didnt see in any posts where it clearly said the treadmill was set to run at planes takeoff speed. They all referred to it being computer controlled, and the show makes no reference to anything being computerized.
And yes I do still fly, and have several thousand hours logged in jet fighters. ... T-33, F100, F4. I also owned my own air charter service with a Lance, Arrow III, Cherokee, 2 172 XPs, and 2 172Ns. So I dont think idiot is appropriate. Personally I think anyone who uses catalyzed primer is an idiot....
You were trhinking it out ill-logicly. It dosen't matter how fast the treadmill is going! You just called 99.999% of the painters in the world an idiot! ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver"
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
Thats my opinion based on my little experience with it. May be fine for the hobbiest. And maybe not 99%, but maybe 75% of body/paint guys shouldnt be in the business after I see some of the crap they turn out. Im fixing one now that a dealership already fixed a few months ago. All the paints falling off because the 'pros' at the dealer dont bother to even scuff up panels before paint. And I know several guys who own shops around here that have been in business as long as I have...and they still use what I use too. But Im not going to go get into that all over again.
Now back on topic, I thought they said the guy that had the ultralight, had 40 years experience as a pilot...and Im assuming (yet again) that means airplanes. I dont think ultra lights have even been around that long. I have a few relatives that fly ultralights and their both retired captains from Delta Airlines.
I admitted I was wrong about it taking off. If it had been stated that treadmill was going airplane takeoff speed, I would have agreed from the start. The whole computer thing just threw me.
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Posts: 445 From: Clay, New York Registered: Apr 2007
Thats my opinion based on my little experience with it. May be fine for the hobbiest. And maybe not 99%, but maybe 75% of body/paint guys shouldnt be in the business after I see some of the crap they turn out. Im fixing one now that a dealership already fixed a few months ago. All the paints falling off because the 'pros' at the dealer dont bother to even scuff up panels before paint. And I know several guys who own shops around here that have been in business as long as I have...and they still use what I use too. But Im not going to go get into that all over again.
Now back on topic, I thought they said the guy that had the ultralight, had 40 years experience as a pilot...and Im assuming (yet again) that means airplanes. I dont think ultra lights have even been around that long. I have a few relatives that fly ultralights and their both retired captains from Delta Airlines.
I admitted I was wrong about it taking off. If it had been stated that treadmill was going airplane takeoff speed, I would have agreed from the start. The whole computer thing just threw me.
I don't suggest even the hobbiest use laquer primer. It's fine for antiques that you want to paint with laquer to keep "original", but there's no good reason to use it on any other thing (except to save time on production work that you don't care how long it lasts). I've had to re-paint a LOT of cars that were primed with laquer... Back to the subject: IT DOSEN'T MATTER HOW FAST THE TREADMILL IS GOING! The plane will still pull forward & take off! ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver"
Hopefully this will be settled once and for all. The wheels have almost nothing to do with the plane's forward movement, except friction. Slight increase in friction is all you get from the belt. Hadn't anyone noticed that the Wright Flyer doesn't even have wheels?
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Gokart Mozart Member
Posts: 12143 From: Metro Detroit Registered: Mar 2003
..ambiguous, to say the least 
Too many uncontrolled variables. What if the wind had not done as fore casted and blew that tarp up in front of him? I guess it wouldn't have been an issue since he didn't think the plane was going to move. 
