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Home invasion leads to murder of Mother and 2 Daughters. by Synthesis
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This makes me sick.

I wish the death penalty existed in CT.

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The Petit family.

The victims, from left:

HAYLEY PETIT: Age 17, graduate of Miss Porter's School, was on her way to Dartmouth College.

MICHAELA PETIT: Age 11, like her sister, was assisting the Multiple Sclerosis Society.

JENNIFER HAWKE-PETIT: Age 48, was co-director of the Richmond Health Center at Cheshire Academy.

DR. WILLIAM PETIT: Age 50, the only survivor, is a diabetes expert and Plainville town health director.
Home Invasion Shocks Connecticut Town

The quiet Connecticut town of Cheshire has been stunned by a brutal home invasion that left a home in flames, a wife and her two daughters dead and a bloody and battered father in the hospital. Dr. William A. Petit Jr. survived the day-long attack, but his wife Jennifer Hawke-Petit and their two daughters Hayley, 17, and Michaela, 11, did not.

Authorities said two men broke into the Petit home early Monday morning, held the family hostage for hours, took one of the female hostages to the bank to withdraw money, set the house on fire to cover their tracks, and literally ran into the police as they tried to escape in the family's car.

Bank employees became suspicious when Jennifer Hawke-Petit showed up at the Bank of American branch with one of the kidnappers to make a withdrawal and notified police. As the police approached the home, iT was in flames and two men rammed several police cars before being captured at gunpoint.

Career Criminals Arrested

Arrested were two recent parolees with criminal records, Joshua Komisarjevsky (pictured), 26, and Steven Hayes, 44. Police said both previously lived in the same halfway house after being paroled from prison.

Komisarjevsky is charged with one count of first-degree assault, first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.

Hayes is charged with one count of first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.

A Brutal Crime Scene

According to The Hartford Courant, these events took place inside the home:

* Dr. Petit confronted the burglars and was beaten with a baseball bat and tied up in the basement of the home.

* Around 9:20 a.m. Hawke-Petit was taken to the bank and was able to alert a teller about the hostage situation because the suspect who went with her waited outside.

* Hawke-Petit withdrew $15,000 from the bank. Police believe that she may have been killed on the first floor of the home as soon as she returned from the bank.

* Both daughters were tied to their beds in their upstairs bedrooms. At least one of them was raped.

* The burglars poured gasoline in the second floor bedrooms of the two girls and lit the rooms on fire.

* The charred body of the oldest daughter Hayley was found at the top of the main stairs.

* The youngest daughter Michaela was found tied to her bed. Her body was too badly burned to determine how she died, police said.

Autopsies are being performed by the state medical examiner and authorities expect more charges to be filled.


Mother Strangled, Daughters Died from Smoke Inhalation

CHESHIRE - The woman killed in a horrific home invasion Monday in Cheshire was strangled and her daughters died of smoke inhalation, the state medical examiner's office said tonight.

Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 48, and her daughters, Hayley, 17 and Michaela, 11, were killed in the attack. Their deaths were ruled homicides.

A fourth family member, Dr. William A. Petit Jr., was beaten but survived, stumbling to safety as the home was consumed by a fire allegedly set by the suspects.

Two recent parolees who apparently met at a halfway house for nonviolent offenders were arraigned Tuesday.

Joshua Komisarjevsky, 26, of 840 North Brooksvale Road, Cheshire, and Steven Hayes, 44, of 5-H Horne Ave., Winsted, each face a multitude of charges, including first-degree aggravated sexual assault and first-degree kidnapping. State police said the investigation is continuing and that more charges will be filed.

Both suspects have long criminal records and were on parole after serving time in prison for past burglaries. They were arraigned on the new charges in Superior Court in Meriden, with bail for each man set at $15 million.

Among other details to emerge about the case today:

# William A Petit Jr., may have confronted the burglars before he was badly beaten with a baseball bat, tied up and left in the basement.

# His two daughters were tied to their beds, a source said, and at least one was raped.

# Police have recovered $15,000 that Petit's wife was forced to withdraw from a bank that morning while the rest of her family was held hostage.

# Relatives of the victims released a statement decrying the "horrible, senseless, violent assaults."

Komisarjevsky and Hayes apparently met at a Hartford residential drug treatment program in June 2006, and spent approximately 5-1/2 months together between that program and another halfway house, until Hayes failed a urine test in late November.

The pair were both at Berman House treatment center on Sargent Street in Hartford from June 13 to July 25. They reunited at Silliman House on Retreat Avenue in Hartford, where both men's stays overlapped from July 31 until Nov. 26, 2006.

Silliman House is a 24-bed work release program where former inmates receive counseling, employment assistance, financial management services, housing assistance, substance abuse treatment and other help. Residents are also tested for drugs and alcohol and given life skills and anger management training. Beds cost an estimated $64.95 per day. Once employed, residents must contribute 35 percent of their weekly gross pay, up to $100 a week.

Town police officers who raced to the Petits' home at 300 Sorghum Mill Drive Monday morning said they saw Komisarjevsky and Hayes running from the burning house and attempting to escape in a car owned by the victims. After ramming three police cruisers, the suspects were arrested at gunpoint.

Inside the home, Petit, a prominent doctor who was beaten and tied up in the basement, was able to hop up the cellar stairs as the flames spread. He was the only one to make it out alive.

As he struggled, flames roared around Hawke-Petit, a popular nurse at Cheshire Academy, who was unconscious and possibly already dead on the first floor.

The charred body of his older daughter, Hayley, a recent graduate of Miss Porter's School in Farmington, was found at the top of the main stairs.

In a second-floor bedroom down the hall, the youngest in the family, Michaela, was found tied to a bed. Her body was too badly burned to immediately tell how she died.

Based on statements that the two men have provided, police now believe that William Petit may have confronted the burglars and was badly beaten with a baseball bat, tied up and left in the basement, sources said.

The two girls were tied to their beds. Sources say at least one was raped. The two men also poured gasoline all around the second floor bedrooms of the two girls and lit the rooms on fire.

Relatives of the Petits released a brief statement that read: "Our precious family members have been the victims of horrible, senseless, violent assaults. We are understandably in shock and overwhelmed with sadness as we attempt to gather together to support one another and recognize these wonderful, giving beautiful individuals who have been so cruelly taken from us."

Police were dispatched to the house about 9:20 a.m. after Jennifer Hawke-Petit was forced by one of the suspects to drive to a local bank branch to get money. Hawke-Petit was able to alert a teller that her family was being held hostage because the suspect who went with her waited outside. At the bank, Hawke-Petit withdrew $15,000 from a bank account. The money was later found in the family vehicle the suspects used to flee.

As police were closing in on the Deaconwood neighborhood of half-million-dollar homes, the two men jumped in the family's Chrysler Pacifica SUV parked in the driveway. The fleeing suspects rammed a police cruiser that tried to cut them off in front of the house and continued west on Sorghum toward a police roadblock about a block away.

Sgt. Chris Cote and Officer Tom Wright, both members of the department's SWAT team, had left their cars at the roadblock and were headed toward the house armed with semiautomatic rifles. Officer Jeff Sutherland was positioned at the roadblock.

Instead of slowing for the roadblock, the fleeing suspects gunned the SUV's engine and raced toward Sutherland. The SUV slammed into two police cruisers in the center of the roadblock. Their front ends mangled, the police cars spun apart from each other on impact. Sutherland escaped injury. The Pacifica, front end damaged and airbags deployed, rolled 30 feet before stopping against a neighbor's manicured lawn.

Officers, guns drawn, swarmed the vehicle and pulled the suspects out.

Komisarjevsky is charged with one count each of first-degree assault, first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.

Corrections Department records show Komisarjevsky was sentenced in January 2003 to nine years in prison for second-degree burglary. He was released to a halfway house in June 2006 and was granted parole 3½ months ago. Official records show several spellings for Komisarjevsky's name.

Hayes is charged with one count each of first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.

His criminal record dates back to at least 1980. In October 2003, he was sentenced to five years in prison for third-degree burglary. In June 2006 he was released to a halfway house, but was sent back to prison five months later for drug use. He was granted parole less than three months ago.

Corrections officials said in a statement that both suspects "were deemed to be appropriate candidates for supervised parole in the community based on their criminal history, which involved the minimum level of violence." Both suspects were on a weekly reporting schedule with their parole officers "and had been in full compliance with the requirements of their release, including being employed on a fulltime basis."

Brian Garnett, a corrections department spokesman, would not say where the two men were employed.

Department of Correction Capt. Edward Ramsey said neither man had been incarcerated at the same prison facility at the same time during their time behind bars.

Robert Pidgeon, chief executive officer of Community Solutions Inc., which runs Silliman House and six other halfway houses as part of a $4 million contract with the Department of Corrections, said he doubted the two men were assigned to the same employer while at the halfway house, but said, "They certainly saw each other."

Although Pidgeon said he did not have a detailed report of their behavior and performance at Silliman House, he said he doubted there were problems prior to Hayes' failing the urine test.

"I can tell you they [corrections] would yank them back quickly if there was a problem," Pidgeon said. "They're very good about that." Pidgeon said the profile of a typical CSI client is "a younger, non-violent individual with a history of drug use or alcohol dependency." When it was noted that Hayes, who is 44, didn't quite fit that description, Pidgeon said, "He's older than the inmate population in general. It's a young bunch."

Although corrections officials described each man as having a "minimal violence history," Pidgeon emphasized that their prior criminal histories involved burglary. "That's going into an occupied premises for the purpose of committing a felony," he said.

At a sentencing hearing for Komisarjevsky in 2002, authorities involved in the case said he would wear military night vision goggles and break into homes to steal electronic items while his victims slept.

The judge, James Bentivegna, called Komisarjevsky a "cold, calculating predator." The prosecutor in the case, Ronald Dearstyne, said at the time that Komisarjevsky began robbing homes when he was 14 in Cheshire. Dearstyne told the judge that Komisarjevsky would carry a military backpack, equipped with items including a knife, to rip through window screens.

Komisarjevsky had told police he burglarized homes to pay for a drug habit. But the prosecutor and judge said his actions were more calculating than those of a junkie needing cash for a fix. At his sentencing, Komisarjevsky apologized to his victims.

Komisarjevsky's home on North Brooksvale Road is about two miles from the Petits home. A man at the North Brooksvale address gave the Courant a written statement Tuesday morning but would not answer questions. The statement read: "This is an absolute tragedy. Our deepest sympathy goes out to the Petit family and all those whose lives they touched. We cannot understand what would have made something like this happen. There is nothing else we can say at this time."

Hayes has a long history of burglary and larceny convictions going back 25 years, and accumulated 23 disciplinary actions while in prison dating back to the 1980s, authorities said in court today.

Investigators found a car - believed to belong to one of the suspects - in the Quarry Village subdivision about 1-1/2 miles away from the Petits'.

On Monday, investigators had not determined what brought the men to the Petits' home.

William Petit was listed in serious but stable condition at St. Mary's Hospital in Waterbury Monday night. Officials at St. Mary's Tuesday evening declined to give out any new information on his condition.

Neighbor Kim Ferraiolo said she had just spoken to William Petit about 7:30 p.m. Sunday and nothing seemed amiss.

"They were the nicest people, just a great family," said Ferraiolo, who moved next door about three years ago.

Ferraiolo said a neighbor alerted her to the fire Monday morning and she tried to call Petit at work, but was told he never showed. She said Petit likes to tend to his flower beds and "has a great sense of humor."

Ferraiolo, like other stunned neighbors, tried to understand why the Petits' home was picked. "It's just hard to understand how someone could do something like that."

Investigators believe the two men barged into the home sometime after 3 a.m. and held family members hostage for hours, sources close to the case said. Shortly after businesses opened at 9 a.m., one of the men took Jennifer Hawke-Petit to the Bank of America branch office in Maplecroft Plaza several miles away and forced her to withdraw money.

Shortly after they returned to the house - as police were racing to the scene - the suspects set fire to the residence and fled. Cheshire Town Manager Michael Milone praised police and firefighters for risking their lives responding to a dangerous crime scene.

Neighbors said that shortly after the fire was extinguished, a firefighter climbed a ladder to enter a second-floor bedroom window in search of possible victims and then quickly backed out. Police SWAT team members then moved in and secured the home, witnesses said.

"I just can't say enough good things about how proud I am of our police officers and firefighters," Milone said. He credited his police officers for making a quick arrest.

"They exemplified the best in public service," Milone said. "Without their great work this could have been a far worse tragedy." William Petit, 50, is a prominent endocrinologist and medical director of the Joslin Diabetes Center Affiliate at The Hospital of Central Connecticut in New Britain. He is a past president of the state chapter of the American Diabetes Association and was elected to the ADA Hall of Merit in 1994.

Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 48, was a nurse and co-director of the Richmond Health Center at Cheshire Academy. She had been a nurse at Yale-New Haven Hospital and was a Penn State graduate. She also had been involved with the Girl Scouts and Habitat for Humanity.

At Cheshire Academy, a private day and boarding school, she was considered a friend, a peer and a confidant for students as well as a health care provider.

"If anybody ever wanted someone taking care of the kids when they were not right there with you, it was her," said Philip Moore, the school's director of communications. "She was a mom and a health care professional. That's how she approached her job." Hayley Petit graduated in June from Miss Porter's, where she was co-editor in chief of Chautauqua, the school's "journal of scholarly writing." She was also co-captain of the crew team and a member of the cross country and basketball teams. She was set to attend Dartmouth College, her father's alma mater, where she planned to study medicine.

Jennifer Hawke-Petit was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis eight years ago. The family was active in the Connecticut chapter of the Multiple Sclerosis Society and Hayley had formed a fundraising team called "Hayley's Hope" that raised more than $54,000 for the cause over the past eight years.

Michaela was looking to continue her older sister's legacy by adding "Michaela's Miracle" to the campaign.


Chronology: Home Invasion

Here is the sequence of events, according to sources and police statements.

1. Early morning. Two intruders enter family home at 300 Sorghum Mill Drive, Cheshire.

2 . About 9 a.m. one intruder forces Jennifer Hawke-Petit to drive to the Bank of America on Route 10. She alerts a bank employee that her family is being held hostage. Minutes later, Hawke-Petit and the intruder arrive back at the house.

3. Cheshire police officers arrive and find the home in flames. Fleeing suspects crash the family's vehicle into an officer's cruiser, then into two other Cheshire cruisers, before being taken into custody a block away. At some point, a badly beaten William Petit stumbles from the burning home and makes it to a neighbor's home. Emergency personnel find bodies of Jennifer Hawke-Petit and daughters Hayley and Michaela.


Suspects' Records

Joshua Komisarjevsky


# 26, Cheshire
# Began burglarizing homes at age 14
# Started a nine-year prison term in 2003 for nearly a dozen burglaries in Bristol after being called a "cold, calculating predator" by a judge.
# Released to a halfway house in June 2006.
# Granted parole on April 10.


Steven Hayes


# 44, Winsted
# Entered the correctional system in 1980, at the start of a criminal career that included dozens of arrests on charges such as burglary, larceny and forgery.
# Disciplined nearly two dozen times in prison.
# Sentenced to five years in prison in 2003 for burglary; released to halfway house in June 2006.
# Returned to prison in November 2006 for using illegal drugs; granted parole May 3.

Capital Felony Murder Charges Filed

Authorities Believe Men Followed Mother, Daughter From Supermarket Hours Before Home Invasion

By DAVE ALTIMARI And COLIN POITRAS | Courant Staff Writers
4:20 PM EDT, July 26, 2007

New Haven State's Attorney Michael Dearington has filed six counts of capital felony murder against each of the two suspects in the Cheshire home invasion that left a woman and her two daughters dead. The charges would make the suspects eligible for the death penalty.

Capital felony is punishable by a sentence of life in prison without the possibility or parole or by death by lethal injection. Dearington stated that the state intends to seek the death penalty for both defendants.

Police are investigating the home invasion in which Jennifer Hawke-Petit and daughters Michaela, 11, and Hayley, 17, were killed now believe their killers were watching as Hawke-Petit and her youngest daughter returned to the family's white Mercedes-Benz at 7:30 Sunday night at a Stop & Shop a mile or so from their Cheshire house.

The suspects, Joshua Komisarjevsky and Steven Hayes, followed the pair back to their Sorghum Mill Drive home, police sources said. Hours later, at about 3 a.m., they would enter the home through a cellar bulkhead door, terrorizing their victims for more than six hours before killing them, police said. They left a beaten Dr. William Petit Jr. for dead in the basement, but he was able to escape before the suspects set the home on fire, authorities said.

Investigators are still trying to answer a key question: Did the suspects randomly select Hawke-Petit and her daughter or did they have a prior connection to the family?

What investigators do know, law enforcement sources said, is that once the suspects saw where the Petits lived, they went to a local Wal-Mart and purchased rope and an air rifle. The suspects, who both have long criminal records and were out on parole, then parked their car slightly more than a mile away before entering the home, sources said.

At about 9 a.m., Hayes and Hawke-Petit, 48, drove to the Bank of America in Maplecroft Plaza, the same plaza where Hawke-Petit and her daughter shopped the night before. Hawke-Petit withdrew $15,000 but was able to alert bank personnel that her family was being held hostage. She was strangled when they returned to the home. Her daughters died of smoke inhalation.

New details emerged Wednesday, including:

Investigators believe Hayes left the house at around 5 a.m. or 6 a.m. to fill up four containers with gasoline. Hayes got lost driving on his way back to the home and had to call Komisarjevsky at the home for directions, authorities said.

The first Cheshire police officer to arrive at the scene, Det. Dennis Boucher, heard at least one of the girls screaming from inside the house. As he approached, the suspects tried to run him down in the family's Chrysler Pacifica, which crashed into two cruisers down the street. Shortly after Boucher arrived, the house exploded into flames, fueled by the gallons of gasoline spread around the girls and their mother's body.

Boucher had arrested Komisarjevsky in 2002 for a string of burglaries in Cheshire.

Petit, 50, was probably unconscious for almost the entire ordeal after he confronted the two men and was beaten with a baseball bat. Sources said he woke up to hear his wife screaming and pleading for her life. When her screams stopped and as flames from the fire rose around him, he managed to hop out the basement door and reach a neighbor.

Robert Farr, chairman of the Connecticut Board of Pardons and Parole, said Wednesday the board didn't have all the facts on Komisarjevsky's background when it chose to parole him in April. If it had, he said, the board's decision might have been different. Hayes was paroled in May.

Hayes, 44, is being held at Northern Correctional Institution in Somers while Komisarjevsky, 26, is at the MacDougall-Walker Correctional Institution in Suffield. Both are separated from the general prison population, said Department of Correction spokesman Brian Garnett.

Dearington has pursued the death penalty in only one other case in his career - the murders of Katherine "Kitty" Kleinkauf and her children, Rachael Crum, 6, and Kyle Redway, 4, in their Guilford home on Dec. 27, 2000. Jonathan Mills was convicted but the jury decided against sentencing him to death.

Komisarjevsky and Hayes have been charged with sexual assault, arson, kidnapping and risk of injury to a minor and are being held with bail set at $15 million each.

The girls, sources said, were tied to their beds and raped, then left to burn after gasoline was poured around their beds and ignited. Hawke-Petit was strangled on the first floor and gasoline was poured around her body as well. Their deaths were ruled homicides.

Law enforcement sources said that while on parole, Hayes was working for a landscaping company from the Farmington Valley. Police were trying to determine whether the company may have done work at the Petit home, the sources said.

As part of their parole restrictions, Komisarjevsky and Hayes had to get full-time jobs and report weekly to a parole officer. Department of Correction officials said both men had gotten jobs, although they will not release where, and had been reporting to their parole officers.

Monday's tragedy has some people questioning how two career criminals could have been released from custody. Department of Correction officials have said Komisarjevsky and Hayes were considered nonviolent offenders.

While defending the board's decision to parole both men, Farr said Wednesday that the board had no idea a Superior Court judge had called Komisarjevsky a "cold, calculating predator" during a 2002 sentencing because a transcript of the sentencing was not included in his parole file, even though state law required it to be there.

Komisarjevsky was sentenced to nine years on those burglary charges, but served three before he was placed in a halfway house, where he met Hayes.

The parole board was not aware of news reports that described Komisarjevsky as wearing night goggles and slashing window screens during burglaries in the Cheshire and Bristol area.

"I'm not suggesting that those items would have been enough in denying parole," Farr said. "What I'm saying is, if we had it or the Department of Correction had it, there might have been a psychological evaluation that would have maybe turned up something."

Farr said the board routinely does not get full sentencing transcripts in which the prosecution and defense summarize their cases.

Inmate files are supposed to have - at minimum - a police report, a summary of the case and the defense attorney's version of events and circumstances as well as the sentencing transcript.

Farr said he reviewed the two suspects' case files over the past two days, and it appears their release on parole was "appropriate" based on the available evidence.

Komisarjevsky is believed to be the grandson of Theodore Komisarjevsky, a leading 20th century Russian theater director and designer who once oversaw Moscow's prestigious Bolshoi theater.

Komisarjevsky's grandmother is Ernestine Stodelle, an internationally known dancer, author and dance critic. Stodelle, who has a dance studio in Cheshire, was also the wife of the late author and columnist John Chamberlain.

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I read about that and its truly awful. A drain on society their entire lives, those two should be killed. I can't imagine what the father is going through right now.

One thing, you can't get too comfortable in your surroundings. I know of quite a few people who carry firearms even inside their homes, or with young ones, quick access safes through the house. An XD or Sig would have been beneficial for the father during an event like this.
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I'd like to feed both of them into a wood chipper - feet first.
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maybe some people with a vigilante streak can find a way to poison prison food....
re-habilitation is a cute idea, but, with the "warehouse" system - prison is "criminal school". learn new skillz. meet new friends.
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Why aren't either of them charged with First degree MURDER?
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Connecticut does have the death penalty http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.../article.php?did=121 . IIRC they have not executed anyone in over 30 years though. If anyone deserves to get the death penalty, these guys are it. Chances are they will die in prison before they are executed. Word is they gained entry into the house by an unlocked rear door, they also will eventually be charged with murder after the autopsies are done. We have been hearing some of the more gruesome details about the crime on our local news broadcasts. There was no reason for what they did to this family and I hope they burn in hell for it.
Edit: My wife reminded me that we had an execution 2 years ago. It was the first one done since 1960. The guy's name was Michael Ross. He was convicted of raping and killing 8 girls, 6 of which were from CT. He was executed by lethal injection.

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As much as I personally believe in second chances for some people, these two are not part of my beliefs.

While capital punishment may seem extreme for some people, I honestly feel that we, as the USA do not do enough to deter crimes, especially this kind.

An eye for an eye is how I feel in this case. Put them to death in the same way they killed the daughters. Tie them to a stake, and light them on fire for all of the world to see.

We decry punishment in other countries that fit the crime, but look at the crime rate in many of those countries. It is low, if not non-existent.

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let me have them.... they would be wishing they were dead
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Awww, these guys are just misunderstood. They would be useful members of society if someone just loved them. I'm sure they feel really bad about what happened and would never do it again knowing how wrong it is now to, well, you know, rob and kill people. It is not as if they represent a danger to us you know. They'll promise not to do it again.

OK, so execution would ensure they never commit another crime ever again and it would make us all feel safer and give us cause to reflect on the pathos of the situation thus inspiring greater parenting and greater scrutiny in whom we release back into society and it would be cheaper to hang 'em and bury them than to house and feed them for the rest of their lives while fearing if they will ever escape and it would serve as a lesson to other would be criminals but COME ON! It's mean.
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I heard about this the other day. AWFUL. Poor family. Poor guy. He's a Doctor, and these two lowlifes killed his family for money and opportunistic sex...

UGHHHHH...

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Dirtbags like these two are why I think everyone should own, and be practiced in the use of, at least one deadly weapon.
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These two deserve the pair of pliers and a blowtorch.

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One more reason people should own a firearm. I bet if the doc would have pulled an AR-15 on those monsters they would of thought twice. Oh well one more story to make me glad i own a gun. Let some poor bastard try to break and enter my home. I hope they like the taste of hot lead.

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If you woke up in the middle of the night and walked into your kitchen, and were face to face with two hardened prison parolees with baseball bats. You wouldn't stand a chance. All the macho talk in the world wouldn't help you. Those two guys had the element of surprise. I don't care if you have a grenade launcher.

Let me say this. I knew that guy Josh before he went to prison. I knew he was no good, and dangerous. He was charming and friendly, and downright scary. He could fool you into thinking he was a nice guy if you didn't pick up on the details. It shocks you to the core to find out that you knew someone capable of doing something like this.

I always knew he was disturbed, even when others didn't see it, but I don't think anybody could ever predict someone could do what those two monsters did. You never really know the people you think you know. Those two murderers have family, I bet even in their wildest dreams they never thought they would do something like this.

These two murderers left an enormous hole right in the middle of Connecticut and there are a lot of people trying climb out. Think of all the people they affected. The Dr and his surviving family, the neighbors, the emergency people who responded to the call, the families and children of the murderers who will have to live with their family member did, it's just so sad. I hope I'm wrong about hell not existing.

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It's stories like this that make me ashamed to be a member of the human race.
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they deserve torture not death. i would think that torture would be worse
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I emailed this story to my sisters family in Florida.

I note that a few things done in prevention may have averted this, that I employ for my own home security.

1. Locked steel entrance doors with deadbolts.
2. Security system, with video surveillance.
3. Outdoor motion activated lights.
4. Dogs who will bark loudly at any type of unknown person entering perimeter.
5. Security features on inside doors, such as deadbolt toggles on bedroom doors.
6. Firearms as a very last resort if all other protections circumvented.

These psychotics had probably targeted what they felt to be a high income family dwelling, with minimal security measures.

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Originally posted by connecticutFIERO:

If you woke up in the middle of the night and walked into your kitchen, and were face to face with two hardened prison parolees with baseball bats. You wouldn't stand a chance. All the macho talk in the world wouldn't help you. Those two guys had the element of surprise. I don't care if you have a grenade launcher.


You may be right. But having access to a weapon gives you more of a change that not having access to a weapon. It may not have made a difference in this case, but then maybe it would have.

Maybe the mom or one of the daughters would have been woken up by the sound of their father getting beaten. There were 4 family members and two intruders. If there was a weapon and they all knew how to use it - maybe, just maybe one of them could have gotten to it. I know that's a big "if" and I'm inclined to think it probably wouldn't have helped - but not having the weapon removes even that slim chance.

The difference between life and death can turn on the slimmest of chances. Don't handicapp yourself more than you have to.
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You may be right. But having access to a weapon gives you more of a change that not having access to a weapon. It may not have made a difference in this case, but then maybe it would have.

Maybe the mom or one of the daughters would have been woken up by the sound of their father getting beaten. There were 4 family members and two intruders. If there was a weapon and they all knew how to use it - maybe, just maybe one of them could have gotten to it. I know that's a big "if" and I'm inclined to think it probably wouldn't have helped - but not having the weapon removes even that slim chance.

The difference between life and death can turn on the slimmest of chances. Don't handicapp yourself more than you have to.


I guess I could agree with that. My point was simply that, the man really never had a chance.

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No, he may not have had a chance. Part of the statement from the police says that he "Confronted the two men."

Does that mean that he was aware of the noise ahead of time and went to investigate? If he had heard the noise, he would have been armed on his way downstairs if he had a weapon and knew how to use it.

If he just wandered into the kitchen for a drink of water, and got attacked... That is different.

We do not know specifically what happened, and may not for a long period of time.

I found out that I am legally allowed to own a gun, and I intend to go through the safety training (a second time), and then purchase a handgun and a gun safe to keep in the bedroom near me.

My section of town is not the worst, but you can never be too safe.
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If you woke up in the middle of the night and walked into your kitchen, and were face to face with two hardened prison parolees with baseball bats. You wouldn't stand a chance. All the macho talk in the world wouldn't help you. Those two guys had the element of surprise. I don't care if you have a grenade launcher.



Well for most people your probably right, heck some people won't fight to save there f'ing lives. I am a light sleeper, well armed, well trained, even if unarmed. Americans have turned into pussies for the most part, that is why this crap happens.

Being in CT if the guy had shot these guys he would probably end up the bad guy, after all maybe they would have just wounded him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

People protect themselves ALL THE TIME in their homes from sh!t bags like these, Doesn't seem to make the news though.


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Yeah you're right. Because the Dr was a liberal p***y from liberal CT is why his family was murdered. If only he was a dyed in the wool conservative tough guy with a hand gun.

It really makes me wonder sometimes, what would someone like you actually do in that man's situation. My guess? Probably freeze up and piss yourself. The biggest talkers are usually the biggest bullshitters.
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Yeah you're right. Because the Dr was a liberal p***y from liberal CT is why his family was murdered. If only he was a dyed in the wool conservative tough guy with a hand gun.

It really makes me wonder sometimes, what would someone like you actually do in that man's situation. My guess? Probably freeze up and piss yourself. The biggest talkers are usually the biggest bullshitters.


Ummm...
Red88 was not making this political.

Not that I could see...

The statement was that since it was Connecticut, if the Doctor had shot the guys, the DOCTOR would be the one in trouble, because the guys may only have bruised him a bit.

I do not know what CTs Home Defense laws are, but down in TX, you can shoot a man for being on your property uninvited.

A man's home is his castle. He should have the right to defend it.

And yes, I feel the same way, most Americans are pussies. Everyone relies on the Police to protect them, and the sad part is, the Police won't always be there when you need them.

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Death Row is too comfortable for people like that, and they wind up living way too long. I couldn't even stand to read the whole articles, it made me sick. Someone needs to shank those guys.
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Originally posted by connecticutFIERO:

Yeah you're right. Because the Dr was a liberal p***y from liberal CT is why his family was murdered.


Oh, do show us where I said that. Go back and read it again.

 
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If only he was a dyed in the wool conservative tough guy with a hand gun..


Well no arguing that is there, might have ended up exactly like I said with the guy and his family alive and in big trouble. I will add that there are plenty of liberals that are NOT pussies, are well trained and well armed, I know a few.

 
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It really makes me wonder sometimes, what would someone like you actually do in that man's situation. My guess? Probably freeze up and piss yourself. The biggest talkers are usually the biggest bullshitters.


By the way, I am originally from CT and I can guarantee they are not ALL a bunch of liberal pussies who would piss themselves like you.

You can wonder all you want what it is like to be a man. I get from your posts that , well, it probably would not have changed anything to be armed or have firearms in the house,so why bother. I feel as the MAN of the house it IS MY RESPONSIBILITY to think about these scenarios and do what I can to be prepared. The rest of us a simply saying there are things that can be done to turn a situation in your favor and I think only a fool chooses to ignore them
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Yeah sure, pick and choose. Make this about me being anti gun. Wait a minute... I'm NOT anti gun. I'm just realistic, you talking big about being a real man and having guns in your house doesn't mean that you wouldn't have suffered the same fate as this family did. You don't walk around your house with guns every time you hear the house creak in the middle of the night. It isn't like this man knew that burglars would be in his house and he had time to prepare. It just makes me sick hearing people like you claim to know what you would've done in that situation. Big talker. Big bullshitter. Period. This isn't just a theoretical scenario, you would find yourself unaware and facing hardened criminals in your ****ing tighty whities.
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what interests me is how long it took for the police to respond. while details are sketchy, it looks like the perp left the bank (by which time police had been notified), returned to the house, abused and possibly killed their victims, then set the house on fire and tried to drive away, at which point the police arrived on the scene. is it normal procedure for everyone to finish their coffee and take a bathroom break before going out on a hostage situation?
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If you woke up in the middle of the night and walked into your kitchen, and were face to face with two hardened prison parolees with baseball bats. You wouldn't stand a chance. All the macho talk in the world wouldn't help you. Those two guys had the element of surprise. I don't care if you have a grenade launcher.



. . . * Dr. Petit confronted the burglars and was beaten with a baseball bat and tied up in the basement of the home.
. . . .

If this guy "confronted " them he knew some one was in his home. If i heard a noise at night loud enough to wake me that would make me go down and check it out, i would grab the AR. Then i'd insert mag, rack the charging handle. Ok maybe i'd ease the charging handle back to keep from being heard , then i would go investigate. Macho talk or not i know how to use my rifle and i own it for this very reason. I would rather go to jail for 5 years than to see my children strung up ,raped and burned to death. Sorry but i'd do time ,and when i get out on good behavior i'll be able to give my kids a hug and see their smiling faces rather than visit their gravesite.

This simple device could have averted such tragedy.


Now that all i need to top it off is a nice bayonet !

On a side note a grenade launcher is a really good idea. You could pop them with a training round. That would be plenty enough to hospitalize them and you wouldn't get charged with murder ! Good thinking !


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I've got to say, I've never seen the personal need for a firearm, but this has me thinking shotgun.
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Send these two monsters to Texas. We know how to deal with them and their ilk.

http://www.txexecutions.org/stats.asp

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This is one of those cases where people call me a bad person, but those two deserve to die. I'm sorry if someone doesn't agree with that, but hanging on the courthouse lawn seems about right for those two, after you make sure that they suffer a little bit. I am personally a fan of vigilantism, if the father went after those two and personally make sure they paid for what they had done, I couldn't blame him for one second.

What the **** is wrong with people?

As a side note, I would not confront someone in my house unless I was confronting then with a case of flying lead poisoning. Stupid of him to confront burglars without firepower.

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Sorry, double post

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Originally posted by FIEROPHREK:

"Dr. Petit confronted the burglars and was beaten with a baseball bat and tied up in the basement of the home."

If this guy "confronted " them he knew some one was in his home.



Oh, based on what evidence?

He may have accidently "confronted" them while he was going to the bathroom for a pee.

A "confrontation" can occur in a split second, it's not necessarily something planned well ahead of time.

Blasting b*st*rds like this away, no matter how much firepower you may have, would be pretty tough to do if you've already been hit over the head with a baseball bat.
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[You wrote
"Yeah you're right. Because the Dr was a liberal p***y from liberal CT is why his family was murdered. "

I wrote
"Oh, do show us where I said that. Go back and read it again." Well we are still waiting?


 
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Yeah sure, pick and choose. Make this about me being anti gun. Wait a minute... I'm NOT anti gun. I'm just realistic, you talking big about being a real man and having guns in your house doesn't mean that you wouldn't have suffered the same fate as this family did.


Boy struck a nerve with the man stuff there huh? truth hurts doesn't it. Christ , how old are you?


 
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You don't walk around your house with guns every time you hear the house creak in the middle of the night.


Oh now aside from being an idiot you are a clairvoyant too,,, yup like you know a dam thing about me or my habits what I do or don't do in the middle of the night when I hear something. What is it you actually know? and just how is it you know it? Common weasel out of this one, jackass.
There is no big preparation needed to investigate a noise in the night, just chamber a shell in the 12 gauge, ready all the time.


 
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It isn't like this man knew that burglars would be in his house and he had time to prepare. It just makes me sick hearing people like you claim to know what you would've done in that situation. Big talker. Big bullshitter. Period. This isn't just a theoretical scenario, you would find yourself unaware and facing hardened criminals in your ****ing tighty whities.


You jump to conclusions that suite your pathetic uninformed talking out your but hole viewpoint. Read the article again. You are the one who makes people sick with your preconceived notions about how people are, will act, and what there capabilities might be OR what previous experience they may have!!!!!!!. Hell for all you know (which is less than nothing) I just might be a hardened criminal, but there it is,l you don't know sh!t YOU have the nerve to call me bullshit and claim I would piss myself. Again? how is it you know this? well? tick tock tick tock.

Just because you are obviously a spineless wimp either oblivious or too scared to check out a noise in the night does not mean that the anybody else is. You don't know anything about me and probably no one else on this list but that doesn't stop you spouting your horseshit one bit now does it. YOU are really looking like a jackass. Don't think so? let's vote on it!

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If I get up to investigate a noise at night, I take a weapon with me. If a firearm is not available, I grab a large blade. Failing that, a baseball bat. Something is better than nothing. How would I react in a life or death situation? I don't know because thankfully I've not been in one. But you train to condition yourself to respond under duress. In that fight or flight moment, you're acting on instinct. If you have no training, you'll probably freeze or run. If you have been trained and are comfortable with your weapon of choice, you're much more likely to meet a threat with the necessary force to stop it.

Like I said earlier, it may not have done any good whatsoever. But having a weapon in the house and knowing how to use it sure gives you more options than not having one.
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Like I said earlier, it may not have done any good whatsoever. But having a weapon in the house and knowing how to use it sure gives you more options than not having one.


EXACTLY !

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It's really quite amazing to see so many of you acting so tough. This man went to sleep and woke up to two murderers in his house, one with a gun (turns out it's a pellet gun, but he didn't know that) and the other with a bat and you think you wouldn't have suffered the same fate.

Maybe some of you do wake up at 3am and start patrolling your house with weapons, as if this triple murder scenario is a common occurrence and every other day you have to fight for your life from two murderers in your house. But from where I'm standing, knowing some of these people and knowing a hell of a lot more about this then any of you do, I think your full of **** . And it's disrespectful to this man's dead family to infer it's partially his fault for not stopping these two monsters. He fought as hard as he could.

These two men cased his home and WAITED until they were all asleep for a good long while, and then quietly entered his home. They knew he was sleeping, all he knew when he awoke was that he might have heard a noise. Hell for all he knew it could've been his daughter getting a drink of water or a mouse knocking over a spoon. But don't let reality get in the way of your Rambo fantasies. I'm sure you would have leaped down the stairs and into a triple roll across the hallway while reloading and then popped up behind the killers and taken them out before they could utter a cry. Is that how you imagine it?

Or maybe you would've gotten caught and tied up. But ah ha! You hid a small razor under your tongue before you went to investigate the noise downstairs, so you use it to cut the ropes around your arms. And then you find the old shotgun you always keep in the basement (because of course you have a firearm in every room of the house, readily accessible and loaded), then you catch the killers and take care of them before they even got upstairs to your wife.

Yeah I like stories too.

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...you train to condition yourself to respond under duress. In that fight or flight moment, you're acting on instinct. If you have no training, you'll probably freeze or run. If you have been trained and are comfortable with your weapon of choice, you're much more likely to meet a threat with the necessary force to stop it.

I'm living proof...you fight as you train. ANY preparation AT ALL, is better than none. Just visually rehearsing in your head possible scenarios (playing "what if" and then visualizing your response, over and over) is a proven method for improving your odds in a deadly force situation.
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For the record:

I am not anti gun.

I believe in self defense.

I think in most cases you should fight back unless you know you'll be better off not fighting.
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Originally posted by connecticutFIERO:

For the record:

I am not anti gun.

I believe in self defense.

I think in most cases you should fight back unless you know you'll be better off not fighting.


Then why are you complaining about people saying a firearm may have helped? Is the victim here better off for not fighting? Maybe he'd be dead too if he fought more or had a weapon. Or maybe he'd have killed the perps and his family would still be alive.

Do YOU know which would have happened? If you do, then you need to get a 900 line with Miss Cleo and start selling your clairvoyant abilities.
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