My bad then. You could maybe just say "Good post'. Personally I think by 3 am came around, the guy was f*cked. The time for defense was at the grocery store. Just my opinion.

What really horrifies me about this one, is these bastards not only raped the wife and daughters, beat the husband, and robbed them...but what kind of monster pours gasoline around the bed of a young girl who's tied to it, and lights it?
I think these two need to be executed publicly, preferably by burning at the stake.
EDIT: When I was little, my parents told me there were no monsters. They were mistaken---there ARE such things as monsters, and they walk amongst us...

[This message has been edited by Vonov (edited 07-28-2007).]

IMHO: The doctor probably wasn't an aggressive man. He built his life working, cooperating and trusting other humans. His conflicts would've been settled with a lawyer. If he intentionally confronted two strangers unarmed in his kitchen at 3 a.m., I applaud his bravery. But, he may not of realized the situation he was walking into. Otherwise, I assume he would call the police first.

From Conn's description, Josh is a human predator. He had been a dedicated burglar for 13 years. He probably reacted quickly to the doctor and in a few seconds the doctor was knocked unconcious. The rest of the family was helpless.

Just Throwing the following story in as an example of how I would like to react to a bad situation.

"Elderly man says man he shot robbed him

10:17 PM CDT on Saturday, June 30, 2007
By JAY PARSONS / The Dallas Morning News
jparsons@dallasnews.com

An elderly man shot a 31-year-old man who he said had robbed him at gunpoint late Friday night in northeast Dallas.

Charlie Andrew Myers III of Dallas was recovering Saturday from gunshot wounds in the throat and shoulder at Baylor University Medical Center.

Amor Kerboua, 79, was driving into the parking lot of his apartment in the 6400 block of Melody Lane, near Northwest Highway and Skillman Street, when a man police identified as Mr. Myers approached him, according to a police report. Mr. Myers put a handgun in Mr. Kerboua's face and demanded money, police said.

Thinking it was a joke, Mr. Kerboua pushed the gun away, but Mr. Myers pointed it at his face again. Mr. Kerboua opened his back door and handed Mr. Myers a cup containing $242.50. Mr. Myers then pointed the gun at Mr. Kerboua's stomach and told him, "I'm going to shoot you, [expletive]," according to the police report.

Mr. Kerboua then drew a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson handgun from his front pocket and shot Mr. Myers in the throat. Mr. Myers fell to the ground but kept his handgun pointed at Mr. Kerboua, who then fired two more times into Mr. Myers' shoulder, police said.

Investigators released Mr. Kerboua, who has a concealed handgun permit, after concluding that he had shot in self-defense. Reached Saturday, Mr. Kerboua declined to comment.

Mr. Myers was expected to face charges after his release from intensive care."

[This message has been edited by westtexas (edited 07-28-2007).]

quote Originally posted by Patrick: I've read your posts.

Um.................

quote Originally posted by Patrick: I'm not the liberal pinko fag pacifist panty waist legend that some of you think I am.

......nevermind

Did anyone else here see the TV program on this last night?

The father was speaking at the funeral for his family. I don't see how he did it.

As for the perpetrators, it seems to be far beyond "a reasonable doubt", into the "without a doubt" category.

As for the punishment, I cannot imagine anything severe enough.