quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: Back peddling? Go ahead and read it again, I'm not apologizing. I still think you don't really understand the kind of situation this family was in, if you did you wouldn't be claiming if only there was a gun in the house things might be different. My position is what it is. Nothing has changed. I don't think it's a bad idea to have a gun for protection, I've said that. You just don't read all that well.

Oh? I already stated that you are not MAN enough to apologize or admit a mistake/wrong so why on earth would you think I would possibly think that? (must be another fantasy trip)

You have summarily dismissed everything contrary to your view without any acknowledgement,,,,,like in answer even one measly question posed to you or at least a counter. Yup things MIGHT have been different, not that hard a concept, get over it.
If you feel the need to continue your small minded game that's fine, have at it. I had a small group over this evening and they were howling at you when I had them read your bazaar fantasy ramblings, do give us some more.
Piss myself, Rambo, white pj's, bullshit, tough talk, baseless accusations and assumptions, hahahaha just to name a few. Actually I should paste all the crap you have posted all together in my next post for people that haven't been following along or maybe for one of those email jokes.

You really said it all when you commented that they had been stalked so they never stood a chance. Not much a guy can add to that one. Oh we're still waiting for your super secret privileged information? oh, that's right you admitted you don't have any after all. Anything else you want to fess up to?

Keeping in mind the horrible topic of this thread, I'm feeling a little awkward at the moment about injecting a bit of humour into this thread. Sorry, but I feel I should probably back off in that regard now.

I think we’re all in agreement though that one way or another, scumbags like these two guys should never be allowed to put innocent people's lives in jeopardy again.

quote Originally posted by jstricker: Nowhere does it say he went to investigate a noise. It simply says he confronted them. You don't know what he was doing, you're assuming too much. Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups. John Stricker

John, you have shown to me anyways to be above average on the intelligence scale, that said, what would you say the term "confronted" means to you?. To me this is paramount in making sense of what happened with the limited facts given us by the news story.

David

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Confronted means a lot of things to me, and especially when you have to keep in mind that this is coming from a NEWS REPORT that was written by someone, then edited, specifically to sell more papers/radio time/tv time. I take most of what I read in the news with a very light grain of salt and that's why I really have a problem with people making assumptions based on these news reports.

All that said, I'm not even sure that "confronted" is an appropriate word to use here. We simply do not know. I seriously doubt that the Dr. has been able to shed a whole lot of light on what happened and I wouldn't rely on much of anything the two perpetrators (excuse me, ALLEGED perpetrators) have to say on the subject. I can easily see the Dr. walking into the kitchen, seeing the two, and saying "hey, what the hell are you doing in my house?!?! Get the hell OUT OF HERE!!" and having that being called a confrontation.

So, simple answer, I don't know, and I assume nothing. Probably the safest course of action for any of us with regards to this story.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: John, you have shown to me anyways to be above average on the intelligence scale, that said, what would you say the term "confronted" means to you?. To me this is paramount in making sense of what happened with the limited facts given us by the news story. David

quote Originally posted by Patrick: I think we’re all in agreement though that one way or another, scumbags like these two guys should never be allowed to put innocent people's lives in jeopardy again.

Again ? How did it happen in the first place ? I have heard that one perp had nine burglary convictions, the other three I think. They were released early due to sentencing guidelines to ease overcrowding in the lock ups. They were staying in a drug rehab half-way house.
Drugs are why it happened in the first place. Most likely, drugs are why the perps committed any of their burglaries. The drug policies of this country have caused the cost of drugs to be expensive. The drug policies of this country are causing the lock ups to be overcrowded. The drug policies of this country are also causing many murders and funding cartels and terrorists.
The war on drugs will never work just like prohibition will never work. I do understand the need to demonize substance abuse. It is argued that the Russian populace lacked productivity due to drunkenness. I have not studied any countries that allow drug usage. I do not know what legalization will bring. With the enormous cost in enforcement, prosecution, housing those convicted, the increase in crime (murders, burglaries), the loss of children from parents locked up, ...I say let Darwin enact drug policies.
My heart goes out to the surviving father/husband.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: They were released early due to sentencing guidelines to ease overcrowding in the lock ups. They were staying in a drug rehab half-way house.

Well we need the room to house the most hanus criminals who buy and sell dope. Society really needs to readjust who the criminals really are and make the apropriate adjustments.

It wasn't the drugs that drove them. Josh has said that he gets a thrill out of robbing people while they sleep. That he can't help it. That man is sociopath, he is pure evil. The strange thing is, if you met him prior to all of this you might have befriended him. I've seen him con perfectly normal people that thought they had a good read on him. Oh he's just a little mischievous, or he would never harm anybody.

That guy is seriously f'ed up. He committed over 20 burglaries and that's not counting all the things he did as a juvenile. I'm sure drugs were probably involved, but don't let that lead you to believe the drugs were the fuel. Josh was the fuel.

I just found out yesterday that it was him that raped the 11 year old girl, and the older man raped the mother.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I have not studied any countries that allow drug usage. I do not know what legalization will bring. .

Freedom.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: but sometimes you get caught off guard, you can't always be on full alert.

It isn't a matter of being on "full alert". It is a matter of being prepared...this guy was not. That is all I am saying. It is like Raymond Berry who said that "success is what happens when opportunity and preparation collide".

This guy was unprepared. I am not.

quote There was no choice here. Can't you understand that. It cheapens the deaths of these people to pretend if it was you things would've been different. It wasn't you. He was doomed the minute those two murderers followed his family home from the grocery store. They were way ahead of him. They already had ropes, a gun, a baseball bat, tape, years of experience, and a 6 hour head start.

Get off the soap box Conn. Your second point is deminished by the inaccuracy of your first point. This tragedy is not in any way deminished by the fact that it would not have happened to me. In fact, it should serve as a lesson for the rest of us. You included! But it doesn't seem to be doing that. Being prepared is no guarantee of success either. Raymond Berry dropped his share of passes. But your odds are improved, as they would have been in this case, if you are ready for the worst. You can stand there and say, "oops, **** happens, glad it wasn't me" and go back to your routine OR you can take steps to make sure that it does not happen to you. Your choice, its a free country. But your unwillingness to do so sure does explain your lack of support for the military.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: It wasn't the drugs that drove them. Josh has said that he gets a thrill out of robbing people while they sleep. That he can't help it.

Oh. He robs people in their sleep for haircut money, .

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: Is there any kind of pistol that shoots a shot gun type shell instead of a bullet? That may be a totally idiotic question to someone familiar with guns, but I have no idea. Would be easier for me to store in a bedroom than a shotgun.

You won't need a shot gun shell, a pistol with a set of hollow point bullets will do the job just as easily. You hit a man center of mass with a .380ACP or 9mm hollow point and he isn't going anywhere but down. I recommend a Glock. Easy to use and maintain, good balance, low recoil and you can get them with LASER sites if you are worried about your aim. If you are going to keep it in your bedroom be sure the kids don't have access to it. Take a gun safety course too! Bullets go through drywall like tissue paper so you ALWAYS want to know where it is pointed. Learn to think beyond the walls around you. Your respect for and confidence in using a weapon will translate into better decision making.

My take would be this: It will probably not happen to 99% of the population TODAY...but when these people who perpertrate these horrific actions are seen to be doing it easily ( fortunately these sub-sub-humans were caught, but sadly too late) AND getting away with it, the easily influenced humans who have not reached that depth yet, might well think it a gamble worth taking.Now, if these s-s-humans are seen to be met with determination, and deadly force, they might never actually step over the boundary. I am beginning to feel a little more affectionate toward explosively-propelled lead ..but only for protection..nothing more
Nick
Oh, and yes..I am perfectly capable of killing another human being who wants to hurt me and mine...so don´t provoke me...
Edit to add...How can I be so sure? I can tell you why..on too many occasions, I have had to put to the end, the suffering of badly-injured animals. With tears in my eyes, because they didn´t deserve to die...if I can have the guts to do that, I KNOW I could do it to somebody who would try to hurt/kill me and my family. When we found that the burglars who broke into my friends´ house had fallen down into the cellar, I could not imagine me having the feelings of jubilation that we had fought back, and won. It was only tempered by the fact whoever fell down that hole had been retrieved by his accomplice.I was so disappointed not to be able to look him in the eyes, and let him know JUST how sick I am of scum like them, and their even worse counterparts.

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: Get off the soap box Conn. Your second point is deminished by the inaccuracy of your first point. This tragedy is not in any way deminished by the fact that it would not have happened to me. In fact, it should serve as a lesson for the rest of us. You included! But it doesn't seem to be doing that. Being prepared is no guarantee of success either. Raymond Berry dropped his share of passes. But your odds are improved, as they would have been in this case, if you are ready for the worst. You can stand there and say, "oops, **** happens, glad it wasn't me" and go back to your routine OR you can take steps to make sure that it does not happen to you. Your choice, its a free country. But your unwillingness to do so sure does explain your lack of support for the military.

You are seriously deranged. If I am anti military that means so is about 65% of all americans that oppose the war in Iraq. Man you are screwy. I should send this comment to the Dr so he can see how people react to his family being murdered. You are shameful.

Did anybody else catch this?

"This tragedy is not in any way deminished by the fact that it would not have happened to me. In fact, it should serve as a lesson for the rest of us. "

Boy are you ever arrogant.

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: You won't need a shot gun shell, a pistol with a set of hollow point bullets will do the job just as easily. You hit a man center of mass with a .380ACP or 9mm hollow point and he isn't going anywhere but down. I recommend a Glock. Easy to use and maintain, good balance, low recoil and you can get them with LASER sites if you are worried about your aim. If you are going to keep it in your bedroom be sure the kids don't have access to it. Take a gun safety course too! Bullets go through drywall like tissue paper so you ALWAYS want to know where it is pointed. Learn to think beyond the walls around you. Your respect for and confidence in using a weapon will translate into better decision making.

You make some good points here but a pistol round to the center of mass is not any guarantee that the perp will go down. A bullet is a very small projectile that must hit a vital organ or preferably the heart or spine to be effective at all in the short term, and if drugs are involved all bets are off. There are some very good videos done by X FBI guys that go into this in great detail. They tell some blood curling stories of fire fights and what it actually can take to bring somebody down. They do mention that MOST people that get shot are overcome by shock, that is the shock of being shot that is programmed into people by movies and such. One drugged up guy took a DIRECT shot to the heart with a 12 gauge and still ran 1 and a 1/2 blocks and got into his car before dying.

In my opinion a 12 gauge shotgun is the ultimate home defense weapon available to the public, and really the safest as far as accidents and over penetration go. Hell the Nazis tried to get them banned by I think the Geneva convention because of the effectiveness of the weapons in the trenches by the allied forces. Pistols are very easy to point in the wrong direction for people without gun experience, and even they do it too

Lost the link but I read thismorning that gun sales are through the roof in CT this week. I guess a lot of people want to increase their odds of survival.

Sheiiiite, I think I had better go clean and caress mine now

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: .......get a thrill from breaking into peoples homes while they sleep while carrying weapons "just in case somebody finds you".

What weapon were they carrying, ? Why would I think you were defending drug use ? People do death defying stunts all the time. Getting away with it is the thrill.
You missed my point. I never implied or suggested in was a drug rampage crime. I said he did not break in for haircut money. Where was he gonna get his drug money? His finances were monitored at the half-way house.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: .......65% of all americans that oppose the war in Iraq.

65% of all Americans that oppose the war are sheeple. There was great reluctance by the sheeple to go to war with Germany also. The same with Japan.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: You are seriously deranged. If I am anti military that means so is about 65% of all americans that oppose the war in Iraq. Man you are screwy. I should send this comment to the Dr so he can see how people react to his family being murdered. You are shameful.

More Americans than that opposed US involvement in WWII in 1939. So what's your point? Oh yeah, that's right, you don't have one. You're just blabbering random statistics as if they carry any meaning on their own.

quote Did anybody else catch this? "This tragedy is not in any way deminished by the fact that it would not have happened to me. In fact, it should serve as a lesson for the rest of us. " Boy are you ever arrogant.

Yeah, everyone caught it Conn. Most of them GET IT, however. What is your problem? What part of this little concept of being prepared don't you comprehend? If you are PREPARED for a home invader your chances of coming out ahead are improved. That is not arrogant, that is a strategic reality. And the more you try to make it sound like anything else the more pathetic your position looks. READ my posts before commenting on them and when you do try your best to understand what I am saying instead of simply picking them apart to find something you can disagree with JUST for the sake of disagreeing with me. Fair enough?

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Todd do you honestly believe that this tragedy wouldn't have happened to you if it was your family that was targeted?

The problem with that line of thought is that you can't be sure, you just don't really know.

Preparing is a good thing, but that doesn't mean a determined person isn't even more prepared. You have to realize that the criminal already has the edge. The criminal knows your the target, while even though you may be generally prepared for emergencies you DON'T know that you are the target on this occasion. He knows you are sleeping, he knows you may wake up and go after him, he knows and PLANS for that. You can prepare all you want and it may help, but you are the one at a severe disadvantage.

You just can't make statements that if it was you this wouldn't have happened. You don't know. You think you have it all planned out, but you don't have the kind of control you think you have. It's like driving a motorcycle, you can be as cautious as the best driver in the world, but if a truck pulls out in front of you blowing a red light... you're dead.

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i think we've all stated our cases. time for the trash can.

I have to agree. This thread has degenerated into yet another pissing match. I'm sure Mr Petit would be touched by these reflections on his family's demise.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: It's like driving a motorcycle, you can be as cautious as the best driver in the world, but if a truck pulls out in front of you blowing a red light... you're dead.

Yes, it is similar to riding a motorcycle. Being Prepared won't do you a lot of good if a truck blows a red light while you are headed through the intersection. But having more training and experience riding a motorcycle can reduce the likelihood of something bad happening when Grandma isn't paying attention and goes to change lanes.

Just like riding a bike, the equipment you purchase and the training you receive can mean the difference between dying in an accident and walking away with some scrapes cuts and maybe a broken bone or two.

Would a gun have definitively helped in the Petit case? Maybe, maybe not. It could have been to his advantage to have one. If he had one, and was properly trained in it's use, and if everything we have speculated on in regards to him "confronting" the perpetrators had been as follows "Hear noise, get gun, go downstairs, hold people at gun point while wife calls police.", then things would have changed considerably.

The point of view that I personally see from you in this case ConnecticutFIERO is that having a gun wouldn't have made a difference so why bother having a gun? Whether that is the point you are trying to make or not, I do not know. But that is what I see.

Would I physically be able to defend myself and my family by having a gun in the house if something similar happened here?

I honestly don't know. There are too many factors that can swing it either way. The chances of them knowing I have a gun? Probably none.

I know that if I had a gun or another weapon in the house, you can damned well be sure I will go down fighting if that is what it takes to keep my children safe.

Bwahahahahaha, these guys meet Todd with his 45 and they have their pellet gun and bat? what do YOU think would be the outcome?

Trash can? this tragedy is the talk of the whole nation right now.

On one hand you have the pissing wimps that don't believe anybody stands a chance, just because these guys are criminals, hmmm I guess it is their right to do nothing but complain and roll over. Fine.

On the other you have people that see a problem and try to take the necessary steps to overt a tragedy like this from happening to them ands theirs. Better yet.

Conn's blathering whiny attitude is reflective of the do nothing doom crying ideology he portrays on other topics too. Won't acknowledge the truth of the matter if it hit him over the head with a bat, and then would say he never stood a chance and that's why he didn't get out of the way.

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: The point of view that I personally see from you in this case ConnecticutFIERO is that having a gun wouldn't have made a difference so why bother having a gun? Whether that is the point you are trying to make or not, I do not know. But that is what I see.

Well then let me clarify.

I'm saying having a gun in the house probably wouldn't have helped. I say this because unless the Dr knew he would need that gun (maybe he did, but doubtful), then he probably wouldn't have had it with him anyway. The Dr didn't know he was being targeted, and the chances of him getting a gun after waking in the middle of the night is slim because he didn't expect to be attacked.

How many times have you gotten up in the middle of the night and walked around the house with a gun? Honestly? Now what are the chances that the ONE time you might need it, that you have it? Unless you ALWAYS walk around the house with the gun you, statistically it probably wouldn't have helped

I personally don't feel that if there was a gun in the home that it would have made much of a difference, the chances of the Dr knowing he would need it, having it readily accessible, getting it, and then successfully using it are slim.

I can agree that that slim chance is better than no chance. I never said differently. But that wasn't the case, so why go around saying "if only" when it's just not the case.

I never said why bother having a gun and training. In fact, I think a properly stored firearm that's accessible is a good idea. You just never know when and where you'll be attacked, so good luck, statistically.

My real problem here was the inference that "if it was me this wouldn't have happened", the gun issue is part of that because of people saying "if it was me this wouldn't have happened because I have a gun".

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quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: My real problem here was the inference that "if it was me this wouldn't have happened", the gun issue is part of that because of people saying "if it was me this wouldn't have happened because I have a gun".

Now that makes sense.
Thank you for clarifying.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: I can agree that that slim chance is better than no chance. I never said differently. But that wasn't the case, so why go around saying "if only" when it's just not the case.

Hmmm than what's this?

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: If you woke up in the middle of the night and walked into your kitchen, and were face to face with two hardened prison parolees with baseball bats. You wouldn't stand a chance. All the macho talk in the world wouldn't help you. Those two guys had the element of surprise. I don't care if you have a grenade launcher.

And then,,,,,,,,

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: Back peddling? Go ahead and read it again, I'm not apologizing. I still think you don't really understand the kind of situation this family was in, if you did you wouldn't be claiming if only there was a gun in the house things might be different. My position is what it is. Nothing has changed. I don't think it's a bad idea to have a gun for protection, I've said that. You just don't read all that well.

Only quick skimmed the tread probably more though. Your full of crap.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Only quick skimmed the tread probably more though. Your full of crap.

What are you talking about? There is absolutely NO contradiction there. Are you slow?

Because I said even a grenade launcher wouldn't have helped in this situation? Yeah I said that, and I'll say it again, even if Dr Petit had a gun in the house I don't think it would have helped. The odds were stacked against him.

If he had a gun in his hand and knew there were burglars in his house and that he should wait by the stairs then his chances would greatly improve. But, those are some mighty big "yeah rights".

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: Todd do you honestly believe that this tragedy wouldn't have happened to you if it was your family that was targeted?

Hallejuhaha, his eyes are opened!

quote The problem with that line of thought is that you can't be sure, you just don't really know. Preparing is a good thing, but that doesn't mean a determined person isn't even more prepared.

Wait, weren't we talking about THESE TWO guys? They were prepared with bats...I win.

quote You have to realize that the criminal already has the edge. The criminal knows your the target, while even though you may be generally prepared for emergencies you DON'T know that you are the target on this occasion.

If a stranger is standing in my house at 3:00am....I think I can rapidly come to the conclusion that he isn't selling magazine subscriptions. No Conn, I DO know I am the target. I assume I am the target at all times.

quote He knows you are sleeping, he knows you may wake up and go after him, he knows and PLANS for that. You can prepare all you want and it may help, but you are the one at a severe disadvantage.

In the first place you give these idiots WAY too much credit for their "planning" skills. Either that or too much TV. NO Again, they are NOT at an advantage. Why aren't you understanding this? It is not rocket science Conn. IIIIIIIIIIII am the one who has PLANNED for them! I have the dead bolts on the door, I have the gun handy, I know the turf, I have ALL the advantages.

quote You just can't make statements that if it was you this wouldn't have happened.

Yes, I can. If this was me this wouldn't have happened.

There see, I can say it. I'll say it again:
If this was me this wouldn't have happened.

Check it out, blindfolded!
If this was me this wouldn't have happened

quote You think you have it all planned out, but you don't have the kind of control you think you have. It's like driving a motorcycle, you can be as cautious as the best driver in the world, but if a truck pulls out in front of you blowing a red light... you're dead.

Nothing in life is certain. But the motorcycle analogy is way off. A motorcyclist on a highway is no comparison for me hunkered down in my home. A motorcyclist doesn't have the power to overwhelm a semi-trailor bearing down on him, I definitely have the power to end a home invasion.

And anyway, what is your point? That being prepared is pointless since this would have happened ANYWAY? What the hell kind of message is that to be sending? You can't win so don't try!

Jeez, glad you're not my parent.

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They had bats, a pellet gun, rope, and gasoline and you have a real gun. They were in your home at 3am so you know they are dangerous.

How silly of me to think you wouldn't know anybody was in your house.

I should have known you have a crystal ball.

How silly of me to think two guys without real guns can murder a family if the father has a gun.

I guess I just forgot that you have a crystal ball and would know ahead of time that you should have your gun ready and that they would be in the kitchen. It's not like you might have wandered about in your own home without a gun anyways right?

I mean you do take your .45 with you when you take a leak in the middle of the night, don't you?

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: They had bats, a pellet gun, rope, and gasoline and you have a real gun. They were in your home at 3am so you know they are dangerous. How silly of me to think you wouldn't know anybody was in your house. I should have known you have a crystal ball. How silly of me to think two guys without real guns can murder a family if the father has a gun. I guess I just forgot that you have a crystal ball and would know ahead of time that you should have your gun ready and that they would be in the kitchen. It's not like you might have wandered about in your own home without a gun anyways right? I mean you do take your .45 with you when you take a leak in the middle of the night, don't you?

YES pretty dam silly!
Now he is accusing someone else of having a crystal ball? hahahahaha This comes from the weenie that knows how I act in the night when I hear a noise, what I wear to bed, whether I carry a gun when checking on strange noises, goes on about Rambo because others here feel they may have acted in a more aggressive fashion and prepared fashion, feel in there hearts they can prevail against,,,,,,,ooooooo ahhhhhh the big mean hardened criminals. knows somehow that we would not consider an uninvited person in our homes at 3 am a threat.

I guess I can understand that all you can relate to is what YOU would do, what YOU are capable of, and that YOU will give up without a fight because you feel YOU would have lost before the game even starts. Fine! I have no problem with your self defeatist attitude! Just do not ASSUME that we are all like that or imply that we should be. But but but you don't agree with me so you must not be able to read or I must not really understand what REALLY happened That is the big problemo here jackass.

If you really want to get upset, get this, I think I would most likely have won this confrontation even without a gun. Do tell me how much you know about me again with those awesome clairvoyant skills you possess. jackass.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: If this was me this wouldn't have happened. There see, I can say it. I'll say it again: If this was me this wouldn't have happened. Check it out, blindfolded! If this was me this wouldn't have happened.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: *snip I mean you do take your .45 with you when you take a leak in the middle of the night, don't you?

Personaly I dont my sidearm to the bathroom either, but there is a gun within grabbing distance in any point in my home if my dog should bark the 'wrong way'. Cant beat a good protective dog as an early warning system.

quote Originally posted by Patrick:

cute.

It was mentioned here that the criminals had the edge and that is true if they surprised him while he was half awake, or even if they were able to overpower him and he was fully awake, but one point that I think a few people are trying to stress here is I think most men when confronted with someone who wants to harm their loved ones is that he will fight with more drive than perhaps he ever has in his entire life. On the other hand the perps, who don`t really care about the person they are attacking are probably operating on the same level as they do when commiting any crime. A friend of mine who used to like to fight just for the heck of it once told me he would rather fight someone his own age than an older man because a young man will fight for the heck of it, but an older man is often fighting for survival.

quote Originally posted by Patrick:

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: YES pretty dam silly! Now he is accusing someone else of having a crystal ball? hahahahaha This comes from the weenie that knows how I act in the night when I hear a noise, what I wear to bed, whether I carry a gun when checking on strange noises, goes on about Rambo because others here feel they may have acted in a more aggressive fashion and prepared fashion, feel in there hearts they can prevail against,,,,,,,ooooooo ahhhhhh the big mean hardened criminals. knows somehow that we would not consider an uninvited person in our homes at 3 am a threat. I guess I can understand that all you can relate to is what YOU would do, what YOU are capable of, and that YOU will give up without a fight because you feel YOU would have lost before the game even starts. Fine! I have no problem with your self defeatist attitude! Just do not ASSUME that we are all like that or imply that we should be. But but but you don't agree with me so you must not be able to read or I must not really understand what REALLY happened That is the big problemo here jackass. If you really want to get upset, get this, I think I would most likely have won this confrontation even without a gun. Do tell me how much you know about me again with those awesome clairvoyant skills you possess. jackass.

You really are quite an ******* . You clinging to these accusations doesn't make them true, there is such a thing as sarcasm. But I guess your too ****in stupid to get it.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: You really are quite an ******* . You clinging to these accusations doesn't make them true, there is such a thing as sarcasm. But I guess your too ****in stupid to get it.

Everything I have written about what YOU have written is true, and anybody can read the past pages and see for themselves. However I am speculating on your motivation for doing so is based on what YOU have been willing to answer (which aint much) and have written Now you are trying to claim all the crap you have been spewing as sarcasm? hahaha

Even without the gun for home protection, there is still such thing as not allowing yourself to be a victim. For heaven's sake, be aware of your surroundings and watch who is following you. Secure your home. Just like a car alarm won't stop a determined thief, it will generally cause someone to move on to an easier mark. I think there is a lot of bravado in this thread about what people say they would do in situations, but the best bet is to avoid the situation altogether. Think defense at all times. I don't even stop at a red light without leaving space for an escape route if someone tries to jack me.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Even without the gun for home protection, there is still such thing as not allowing yourself to be a victim. For heaven's sake, be aware of your surroundings and watch who is following you.

What?? how dare you say that! hehehehe the good Doc did nothing wrong and could not have possibly avoided this tragedy, after all he was doomed before it ever got started! remember?

Ya, I am beating a dead horse, but if it feels good?

What's up your ass? Are you just looking to start drama with anyone?

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: What's up your ass? Are you just looking to start drama with anyone?

I was agreeing with you for christ sakes, good post. But if you want to I am home alone and bored.