Just in case you missed the picture. Was posted yesterday on http://drudgereport.com/



You gotta love those guys!

Thats not at all funny.

In fact that is court martial material.

[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 11-02-2006).]

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Thats not at all funny. In fact that is court martial material.

If it was a sign about Bush would it be court martial material, or just a round of applauds by you and the Dems?

Anyways!

It's funny as helll!

I love it!!

Yep, John Kerry is a douche. For about a split second I thought he might have some redeeming quality to make him better than Bush. But now? Good-bye political career.

I don't care who you are. That's funny right there

Kerry didnt botch a joke he ment what he said. His apology means nothing to me being a Soldier in the US Army. He can kiss my ass. Purple heart for getting hit by his own grenades shrapnel. Total BS. I wish he would just shut up. Nobody likes him anyway.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Thats not at all funny. In fact that is court martial material.

You're right, it's NOT funny that they have to be lied about the way they have been.When these men put their lives on the line and get the kind of disrespect they've been facing from John Kerry, Murtha, Kennedy, and others they should have SOME "first amendment rights". If an ex-president, Jimmy Carter, can go all over the world showing HIS dis-respect for what they do, or when their votes are thrown out (2000-Al Gore-Florida elections) because the post office can't get them dated, it's not funny. I think it HILARIOUS that the Dems have their panties in a twist about it.

John Kerry has been doing it for 30 years. John Kerry is an arrogant elitest and his "joke" wasn't intended to be a joke at all. It was his attempt to strike at Bush and build support for others who share his disdain for the military and his overwhelming hatred for Bush and those who elected him.

How is that a court-martial offense??

They are not allowed to speak with disrespect to or about an officer, especially their Commander-in-Chief, which John Kerry is NOT.

[This message has been edited by texasfiero (edited 11-02-2006).]

quote Originally posted by DINSTAAR: How is that a court-martial offense??

John Kerry is a Senator and as such is to be respected for that position by those in the military. In fact all military personel are subordinate to even you and me. Sir or Mam is how we are.. I mean was trained to address all civilian personel. Now thing may have changed over the years but I'm certin this will not go un noticed by the commanders of this unit and there will be hell to pay..


As a civilian we can do those things like this but the military is never ever allowed to demonstrate that level of disrespect under any circumstances.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of John Kerry either.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000003/HTML/20041015-6-023591.html

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: John Kerry is a Senator........

But.....who is Jon Carry?

As for the respect part, I don't see any disrespect to anyone in that sign.....just a request for help......and some poor grammar.

quote Originally posted by texasfiero: They are not allowed to speak with disrespect to or about an officer, especially their Commander-in-Chief, which John Kerry is NOT.

That is incorrect.

They are subordinate to me AND you AND John Kerry AND George Bush.

The military is to have the UTMOST respect for all civilian positions. We (as citizens) outrank a general and even the president himself.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: John Kerry is a Senator and as such is to be respected for that position by those in the military. In fact all military personel are subordinate to even you and me. Sir or Mam is how we are.. I mean was trained to address all civilian personel. Now thing may have changed over the years but I'm certin this will not go un noticed by the commanders of this unit and there will be hell to pay.. As a civilian we can do those things like this but the military is never ever allowed to demonstrate that level of disrespect under any circumstances.

Agreed. This time though, they deserve some respect in return and they are not getting it from some of the very individuals who sent them there, without regard for the reasons, either real or supposed, that prompted it. Wars are always unpopular and there a lot of folks who carried scars from that kind of action for a very long time. Our government officials, who sent them there, should have the same kind of respect for the soldier who has to fight the war. When will we as a people begin to hold our leaders accountable for the kind of actions some of them are taking. Either D or R, it is despicable behavior and it's a sad thing that they are not held to account.

quote Originally posted by texasfiero: Agreed. This time though, they deserve some respect in return and they are not getting it from some of the very individuals who sent them there, without regard for the reasons, either real or supposed, that prompted it. Wars are always unpopular and there a lot of folks who carried scars from that kind of action for a very long time. Our government officials, who sent them there, should have the same kind of respect for the soldier who has to fight the war. When will we as a people begin to hold our leaders accountable for the kind of actions some of them are taking. Either D or R, it is despicable behavior and it's a sad thing that they are not held to account.

I could not agree more.

BUT
I find it surprising that those in the military would joke like that. It's very unbecoming especially for a MARINE unit. They are supposed to be the best of the best, the most disciplined of all the services.

I'm almost certin this will not be the last we hear of this picture. And if we don't I'm almost positive those in the picture will be delt with very harshly by their commanders.

qoute "That is incorrect.

They are subordinate to me AND you AND John Kerry AND George Bush.

The military is to have the UTMOST respect for all civilian positions. We (as citizens) outrank a general and even the president himself." end quote

Ummmm..... No. John Kerry is not in the military chain of command and civilians don't outrank anyone since they are civilians. Military personnel are not public servants, i.e. police, fire, EMT's. The only elected officials that have any power over the military is the President and then the Secretary of Defense. In the event that those two are incapacitated command is turned over to the Vice-President and then the speaker of the house of representatives. The military does not answer to civilians and are not controlled by civilians with the exception of the positions named above. A military member doesn't have to show a civilian any respect what-so-ever. However military members are required to maintain a level of professionalism that sets themselves above a normal person.

That sign may or may not cause a problem with that unit it depends on if they can determine what unit it is and if anyone actually considers that a derogatory(sp) or offensive statement.

Pretty doubtful any form of punishment will ever come upon those men and women just as it is pretty doubtful any punishment will come upon John Kerry for being a douchebag.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: John Kerry is a Senator and as such is to be respected for that position by those in the military. In fact all military personel are subordinate to even you and me. Sir or Mam is how we are.. I mean was trained to address all civilian personel. Now thing may have changed over the years but I'm certin this will not go un noticed by the commanders of this unit and there will be hell to pay.. As a civilian we can do those things like this but the military is never ever allowed to demonstrate that level of disrespect under any circumstances. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of John Kerry either. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000003/HTML/20041015-6-023591.html

Nope, A Senator not in my chain of command........He's a government official but not in my chain of command.

And you, SIR, can get bent!

That was funny. Bunch of them thare dumb Soldiers puttin their mind to work to create good humor.


BTW, Bill, what's a Commander going to do to discipline those Soldier? Send them to a war zone?

[This message has been edited by aceman (edited 11-02-2006).]

quote Originally posted by DINSTAAR:

Have you served in the military?

I have.

I know.

EVERY CIVILLIAN especially a senator is to be treated with RESPECT at all times.. Now this does not mean they must "take orders" but they must ALWAYS maintain a respectful attitude toward ALL civilians without exception of position. Even a general is to say Sir or Mam when addressing a civillian. If you ever have paid attention you will notice it when they are being interviewed.

But Bill, should that apply to the HONORABLE John Kerry? He should RESPECT the SOLDIERS AND the PRESIDENT. In his "botched" joke, he offended and disrespected both.

quote Originally posted by aceman: Nope, A Senator not in my chain of command........He's a government official but not in my chain of command.

No... really?? didn't know that...

quote And you, SIR, can get bent!

And you can kiss my sweet smellin ass.

quote That was funny. Bunch of them thare dumb Soldiers puttin their mind to work to create good humor.

I agree, it was a nice bit of expression and it got a chuckel out of me. but I sure wouldn't have done it.

quote BTW, Bill, what's a Commander going to do to discipline those Soldier? Send them to a war zone?

Nah, probably "Bend their dog tags and send them to vietnam." I still say that to this day.

I don't think there's a single person on this forum - or off this forum for that matter - that agrees with anything you've said, 84Bill. Even those of us that are also in the military say you're full 'o' bull.

John Kerry is a complete and total twit that did something completely unforgivable. Whether or not you like it, he doesn't deserve a bit of respect from anyone in - or even out of - the military. Especially those unfortunate enough to be sent overseas. Not much else I should bother wasting writing, since I'm sure it'll all be torn apart and spread out in another misled multi-post.

quote Originally posted by aceman: But Bill, should that apply to the HONORABLE John Kerry? He should RESPECT the SOLDIERS AND the PRESIDENT. In his "botched" joke, he offended and disrespected both.

Oh dear fraking god... dude.. you just don't get what I'm saying... And you never will so its no use for me to even try to explain it.

84BILL
What branch and how long ago? Been in for over nine years now and I can march up the senate stairs in civilian clothes and tell john kerry to fu** off. Not against the regulations. Now if I do that in uniform then I would get in trouble but not for telling a senator to go to hell. I would get in trouble for displaying a professional image.
Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it..

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: I don't think there's a single person on this forum - or off this forum for that matter - that agrees with anything you've said, 84Bill. Even those of us that are also in the military say you're full 'o' bull.

Apparently it is a very different military that the one I was in. As far as agreeing I could give a rats ass who does or does not.

quote John Kerry is a complete and total twit that did something completely unforgivable. Whether or not you like it, he doesn't deserve a bit of respect from anyone in - or even out of - the military. Especially those unfortunate enough to be sent overseas. Not much else I should bother wasting writing, since I'm sure it'll all be torn apart and spread out in another misled multi-post.

I'm not arguing about John Kerry you freaking moron.. He may be a moraon but you are running a very close secong if you thing I care about John Kerry or even Jon Kary for that matter so get that idea out of your head!

Then what are you arguing about?

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Oh dear fraking god... dude.. you just don't get what I'm saying... And you never will so its no use for me to even try to explain it.

Respect is a two way street, Bill. Didn't you learn that in the 1-2 years you were in?

Oh that's right, when you and Kerry were in you were uneducated dumbasses. Even over all those years, things never changed for you and Kerry.

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quote Originally posted by DINSTAAR: 84BILL What branch and how long ago? Been in for over nine years now and I can march up the senate stairs in civilian clothes and tell john kerry to fu** off. Not against the regulations.

US Army Reserve and National Guard 1986 to 1991

quote Now if I do that in uniform then I would get in trouble but not for telling a senator to go to hell. I would get in trouble for displaying a professional image. Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it..

You mean for NOT displaying a professional image??

Yes, I know exactly what you are saying.. By the way Holms.. would you happen to have a pipe I can borrow?

84Bill,

Just realized that I might have come across a little rough in that last post. My apologies for that. However the military way of life gets softer and softer every day. Hell shortly after I joined they started issuing "stress" cards to the recruits in BMT. If they felt they were getting yelled at too much and too stressed out they would pull their little card out and have a little nap time. lol. Nothing like the wall-to-wall counseling and heavy labor that used to exist.

Either way I have to get to bed, still working 12 hour shifts.

Later.

Oh and thanks for correcting me there, however I don't have any pipes. Got rid of my hookah a couple years ago.

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quote Originally posted by DINSTAAR: 84Bill, Just realized that I might have come across a little rough in that last post. My apologies for that. However the military way of life gets softer and softer every day. Hell shortly after I joined they started issuing "stress" cards to the recruits in BMT. If they felt they were getting yelled at too much and too stressed out they would pull their little card out and have a little nap time. lol. Nothing like the wall-to-wall counseling and heavy labor that used to exist. Either way I have to get to bed, still working 12 hour shifts. Later.

Its cool..

Are you freaking kidding me??? Stress cards!??!??!

Only 5 years Bill? Wow! You and President Bush have something in common.......Neither he nor you finished/fulfilled the contractual obligation in the USAR or ARNG.

They announced a couple of weeks ago the "Instructors" can't even yell anymore!

quote Originally posted by aceman: Only 5 years Bill? Wow! You and President Bush have something in common.......Neither he nor you finished/fulfilled the contractual obligation in the USAR or ARNG.

8 if you include the 3 I was IRR

Suck my ass prik

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Its cool.. Are you freaking kidding me??? Stress cards!??!??!

Bill, they have them. About 12 years ago, I stood on a Commander's carpet getting my butt chewed because I was running a combat live fire range and a recruit handed me this "stress card" I threw it in the burn can and pulled the pin on a CS smoke grenade and burned his stress card

quote Originally posted by texasfiero: They announced a couple of weeks ago the "Instructors" can't even yell anymore!

Man that is totally freaking insane!!

We are training fraking panzies... What next? Insrtuction on how to ask the enemy to please stop making so much noise and drop their weapons????

Yes stress cards. As well as "mechanically correct" folding of socks and clothing because too many people were getting "owies" from the big bad irons. Anyways I am really done for tonight now. later

quote Originally posted by aceman: Bill, they have them. About 12 years ago, I stood on a Commander's carpet getting my butt chewed because I was running a combat live fire range and a recruit handed me this "stress card" I threw it in the burn can and pulled the pin on a CS smoke grenade and burned his stress card

LMAO!!
It was worth it.

Maybe you arent so bad afterall.

Nah.. You can still suck my ass.

A 5x3 contract in 1986?? Hmmmm, don't remember seeing one of those in 1986. I'd love to see that DD 4 series and 3540 sometime.

Damn... Now it makes sense..

They need people and are willing to take in even the most wussy candyass there is... christ man.. stress cards?!?!??!???!

What happens when the bombs start dropping and the bullet fly overhead...

pull out a stress card and hand it to the enemy? WOW.. thats pathetic.