Fosgate,
As you get closer to a final product, and any dirivative, we are just as excited to see all the details. Is there a picture, perhaps, that one can see all items you listed, above, with a price? We are waiting.....

Cordially,
Kevin

[This message has been edited by kevin (edited 02-09-2009).]

Well because most of the stuff I have to order day-of receiving your guys' orders I dont most of the goodies.... BUT Id be more than happy to post up some detailed pictures of my setup which will be close to the setups I am doing for you guys, just the ignition is slightly different. I will post them up by the end of the day.

Well I go and all ready to take pictures and go figure the camera dies. I got one picture, but I will get some better ones after 5pm tomorrow for you guys.

Sorry for the delay, Ive been working with an assortment of suppliers for various parts and services on this, along with other personal issues. But dont worry nothing is going to stop me (unless I croak or something like that...)


In this picture you can kind of see the wiring and what is involved. I used red and blue wire loom to help identify circuits, completely preference tho, and can obviously be black if you prefer.

I also use only 3 grounding areas, all easy to get too. The ICM/MS unit are the only ones that need to be grounded at the same location, I like seeing all the grounding points as soon as I open the decklid, as if I am having an issue I can easily tell if it is a grounding issue.

Any other questions please post!

I'm also interested. I would mainly want the things that I cannot get myself.....harness, mounts, etc. I do have a question though......I am assuming that the Ecotec will be mated to the 5-speed tranny that comes with that engine. What do you do for axles? Stock Fiero? I'm not clear on that.

quote Originally posted by mrfiero: I'm also interested. I would mainly want the things that I cannot get myself.....harness, mounts, etc. I do have a question though......I am assuming that the Ecotec will be mated to the 5-speed tranny that comes with that engine. What do you do for axles? Stock Fiero? I'm not clear on that.

A hybrid. According to C350 (sorry, forgot the exact screenname) the Ecotec axles fit into the Fiero hubs. Look up "LSJ Ecotec engine swap" It's towards the beginning of that built thread.

Definitely lookin promising. Do you have any more pics of the engine installed? or the parts. Just curiosity.

if you are using the cavalier ecotec 5 speed that comes with the 2.2L (F23 getrag) , the fiero manual tranny axles fit perfectly .if you are using the F35 tranny from the 2.0L super or turbo charged motors , then you need to use the axles from a cobalt ss superchaged model .an F35 5 speed has a three piece axle system and the fiero axles dont fit in to the F35 .the cobalt axles fit in to the fiero hubs though and are close enough in length to work well .the cavalier auto tranny/2.2L axles do not fit according to member Rodo who has a running automatic car (a beautiful car) .he said he just hunted through a pile at a wreckers until he found a set that worked .there was no ID on them so he does not know what they are out of . keep at it fosgate , wiring like this along with Roger Thelins clutch and tranny linkage adapters would make things cheaper and easier .bare 2.2's with the wiring stripped off can be had for 350.00 at most ontario wreckers

Here is the thread showing the axles fit right in: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/082860.html

Thanks for posting the axle stuff up guys.

Later on, I hope to have a kit so if people want to use the fiero transmissions they can. This is what I have done on my personal ecotecfiero, but it takes a bit of machining, and Id like to get the ECM stuff rock-solid first before getting that. I have 2, lets say, independent contractors that will be assisting me with setting them up, allowing me to do some R&D on parts I've wanted to do, but haven't had time.

It looks like I finally have a supplier for the majority of the stuff. I talked with him for an hour today. And am waiting for him to fax my pricing stuff for me So hopefully I will have it set tomorrow, feb 11th.

Take your time getting it all together, find the best prices, and do what you need to do to make it a quality kit.

Everything is pretty much set now, I am now working on a few different packages for everything.

I will have a more formal post on the link I have on my first post, I will notify everyone when I do.

Base package will run right around $500, this will include your harness, prepped for an Ecotec, with the wires setup in groups cut to length (within a few inches to allow for different areas of mounting things.) and a MS unit that has pre-installed maps to help get you going. They will still NEED to be tuned for your engine tho . And with all the wiring diagrams and information on the parts that is still needed. This is for someone who is not afraid to get there hands dirty going to a junkyard, doing a bit more wiring/soldering and has some knowledge of relays, electricity, and well if your doing an engine swap you probably can do this lol.

I will have a more formal post on the link I have on my first post. Along with a few options that go with the basic package. These are a few of the options I am working on:

Ignition Package (will include performance oriented stuff). This will include everything that deals with ignition, spark plugs to the wires going to Megasquirt.

Tuning Package Will include a Wideband 02, (possibly a gauge if I can get cheap enough prices on them) a external knock sensor. Larger Injectors, which are 32lb. injectors and are from the Supercharged Engine.

Wiring Package Complete wiring, kind of a 'catch-all.' It will include extra sensors, vaccum lines, connectors and wiring for some of the misc. things, that come up with the swap.


Now most of this comes from putting 2 different ecotecs into my fiero. Some of you will be doing it different than how I have, so there will be some variances and little things that might not be exactly as mine, which is completely OK. I can work with you on it!

If there is anyone interested right now please PM me, the first 2 people that are looking to purchase now I will give a small discount to them, as they are kind of the guinea pigs I am only doing 2 right now to help keep everything inline and on schedule. They will be the first ones to get the final price and at that time they can choose to buy or I can move on the list. I expect about 3 weeks from time of payment to the day I ship, this is only to make sure everything is exactly how I want it.

Dont everyone post at once now lol.

Lol, i am still interested, im just not going to be doing the swap or at least gathering the parts till mid spring/summer when i have the car painted and interior cleaned up. Are motor/ trans mounts included or do i need to fab ones for the swap?

quote Originally posted by Macs86GT: Lol, i am still interested, im just not going to be doing the swap or at least gathering the parts till mid spring/summer when i have the car painted and interior cleaned up. Are motor/ trans mounts included or do i need to fab ones for the swap?

I dont have mounts designed yet, need some more 'resources' to start on those.


:::cricket sounds:::

I guess my last post didnt go thru....


Here is a pic of my laptop running a tuning program for it...





No where else are you gonna find a spark advanced gauge! lol

quote Originally posted by Fosgatecavy98: Thanks for posting the axle stuff up guys. Later on, I hope to have a kit so if people want to use the fiero transmissions they can. This is what I have done on my personal ecotecfiero, but it takes a bit of machining, and Id like to get the ECM stuff rock-solid first before getting that. I have 2, lets say, independent contractors that will be assisting me with setting them up, allowing me to do some R&D on parts I've wanted to do, but haven't had time. It looks like I finally have a supplier for the majority of the stuff. I talked with him for an hour today. And am waiting for him to fax my pricing stuff for me So hopefully I will have it set tomorrow, feb 11th.

I would prefer if you would offer a kit to use the Ecotec trannies as well. I would like to be able to use the F-35, or F-40 tranny that comes standard with many of the Ecotec's I drool over. Not to mention, this would help keep the car Calif. SMOG legal.

By kit I'm thinking: Tranny mounts, some adapters for the clutch, some adapters for the shift linkage (engine side), some adapters/replacement for the shift linkage cabin side, everything that's needed to make this work.

Austrian Import,

Id really like to have all the 'mechanics' of the swap set and stuff. I've just got a full plate right now, but down the road its very feasible to expect me to be producing mounts/linkage/etc. to complete the swap.

The program I have up on there runs real time and isn't too resource consuming, only problem is you have to click something within the program after it boots to get it to show the gauges, working on that tho

I Like the idea of the ecotec in the fiero,But i'd would want a one stop shop for my next swap.

With the welding envolved with the sub-frame, what do you think about a sub-frame exchange with a deposit?

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yellow 88 GT, not stock
white 88 notchie, 4 banger

quote Originally posted by ccfiero350: With the welding envolved with the sub-frame, what do you think about a sub-frame exchange with a deposit?

You could get away with just notching a portion of it, its only a small area that hits the pan of the ecotec. I cut away alot more than needed and just welded a right angle bar acrossed it just incase. But I also have nothing on that part of the cradle besides the transmission mount on the other side, the stock bar just now keeps everything straight for the most part.

Vrrooom goes the thread to the top!

nudge!

Kinda late to the party, I'm interested. I have a motor/trans mounts and cradle modified by Mr. Thelin and I'm planning on hunting down a 2.2 and 5 speed this spring. Problem is I've since transfed to a different post and the garage I have now is tiny and post housing isn't too whoop de doo about stuff being worked on in the driveway, so the more plug and play for me the better.

I am definitely interested. I favorited this thread and will definitely keep an eye on it!

I'm going to be purchasing a 2.2 eco, and hopefully the 5 speed that goes along with it. It's what I have in my Sunfire and I just love the setup. I'm not entirely certain which of your packages I would want, I need to get a hold of my dad and ask him how much time he wants to spend on the wiring before I let you know :P

Thank you for getting this together!

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I'm a poor college student because I modify my cars!

Sorry about the delay,

threads seem to move quick on here, and I missed it. I believe I got back to both of you. Let me know if you have any more questions

edaw where di you get the mounts for the ecotec? thats the one thing keeping me from going froward wioth getting an ecotec.

Got 'em from Roger Thelin, give him a call, great guy. I went by his place and picked the stuff up, big help snagging that extra cradle he had, not sure how much shipping would run you.

Thanks man, i just lack the tools to fab up stuff like that. how was the install of the mounts, is there alot of welding or do they bolt to the stock locations. This would be a get the parts then more parts kind of swap till i have all of the stuff necessary. I do want to get another cradle so i don't have to take the car offline until its all ready to go in.

[This message has been edited by Macs86GT (edited 02-21-2009).]

quote Originally posted by Macs86GT: Thanks man, i just lack the tools to fab up stuff like that. how was the install of the mounts, is there alot of welding or do they bolt to the stock locations. This would be a get the parts then more parts kind of swap till i have all of the stuff necessary. I do want to get another cradle so i don't have to take the car offline until its all ready to go in.

If that doesnt work out for you, I can make your mounts if you would like.

Thanks Fosgatecavy98, I'm looking into getting things moving, It will be my first swap attempt so I'm trying get all the info and parts i need. Hopefully this inst insainely over complicated, or maybe i should leave it to someone who has the tools and proper shop.

[This message has been edited by Macs86GT (edited 02-22-2009).]

Well while I work with a few of you. Im taking some time to look into making motor mounts for the swap as well.

Bump for the new guys

Also,

I can have your setup to run on E85 as well. It cannot however be a typical 'flexfuel' as GM charges 2 fingers and a toe for the flexfuel sensor. But if your really close to empty (ie less than a gallon) you can switch between the 2 if you fill up.

Mine will be running full time on E85 this year, I have it RUNNING at this point on it, just needs to be tuned.

Bump for the interested!

Fosgate,

I don't know when I'd have the money to do it, but I've thought a turboed 2.2 swap would be awesome

what's the weight savings like going 2.8 stock to the 2.2? weight balance?

quote Originally posted by Fosgatecavy98: Bump for the interested!

I am the original owner of an 1984 Fiero SE. It has been sitting quite sadly in my brothers back yard for the last 10yrs waiting for

A) someone to perfect the EcoTec swap
B) me to restore it.

It is an automatic and I would like to keep it this way as I hope to one day fully restore it, motor and all. What are my options for an EcoTec swap with my stock auto tranny? I'm VERY interested in this but want to be as unintrusive as possible with my baby!

Thanks!

Karl

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Project Mazda TT (Turbo Truck)

I would estimate the weight of my 85 Sports Coupe with the isuzi 5 speed to be around 2550. It will be weighed asap once its registered and insured this year tho.

oddballracing,

I believe I could do a STOCK auto, but idk if you would like it with the ecotec, I never liked 3 speeds, but would be simple to do, and just a typical setup for the electronics. You can PM or Email me at DICE033@aol.com if you would like to go into more details.

Here are 2 vids of the Ecotec Hybrid,

LE5/L61 + E85. Its completely untuned for E85 as you can tell.

http://s275.photobucket.com...current=SMOV0058.flv

http://s275.photobucket.com...current=SMOV0057.flv

For the first base tune it runs remarkably well, E85 is turning out to be amazing.

Hopefully this will inspire a few of you!