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think of it this way.... noobs and lazy people READ THIS! by americasfuture2k
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Originally posted by IMSA GT:
I must have misunderstood what you said and I see many other people commenting on the topic but you seem to have singled me out and since you like to mention my car in your sentence which has nothing to do with the topic, you can go F yourself prick.



Wow, I am sorry. I did not mean to single you out in specific... other that the fact that you stated so CLEARLY that this bugged you... need I quote the quotes? I simply brought up your post because it was so negative towards... well, everyone at some point in time.

And, to top it off... no matter how mad I get at someone dissagreeing with me, I NEVER resort to what you just did. A PM works wonders. I have been schooled a couple of times in PM where I thought I was right, but heard the other side, and agreed (publicly even) that I was wrong. You coming out and saying what you said is not only a violation of this forum, but is simply bad form. Why can't you get past my "personal" attack and just realize what I was trying to get across? I am not trying to start a fight here... i just disagreed with what you said and stated it in a harsh way.

Edit: I removed ", yet tactful, yet respectful (without namecalling) " in the end... so there is no confusion... just extra words I will probably regret

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Originally posted by deezil:

Newb's....Use the search.

Old Geezers....Relax.



Who you callin' old?
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Originally posted by IMSA GT:


Who you callin' old?


IMSA.... but im 18 and anything over 22 is old.
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Originally posted by 87antuzzi:


IMSA.... but im 18 and anything over 22 is old.


Thats ok I thought i knew everything at your age too but at 38 I have more than doubled that. haha

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Originally posted by Australian:


Thats ok I thought i knew everything at your age too but at 38 I have more than doubled that. haha


Ahhh. Im just messin around. Anything after 37 is old
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Originally posted by americasfuture2k:

its like wrap it before you tap it.






I just couldn't pass it up

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Originally posted by 87antuzzi: Just wait till the zombies come. Whos house will you be at? The one with the flame thrower.

That's OK. I'd rather not be trapped in a burning house.
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Originally posted by deezil:

Newb's....Use the search.

Old Geezers....Relax.



Yup, it's covered. //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/098011.html
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Originally posted by IMSA GT:
I must have misunderstood what you said and I see many other people commenting on the topic but you seem to have singled me out and since you like to mention my car in your sentence which has nothing to do with the topic, you can go F yourself prick......
Classy.

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I love this forum. I always TRY to use the search before asking questions. The search engine here is the worst of any forum I personally have experienced. I am not saying it is unusable, just harder to pry the information out than other forums I have used.

One of my pet peeves is thread titles. MANY titles suck (including this thread). You need to state a specific subject or at least a general starting point. Try to make it something that the search engine will find. I hate it when I'm going through the threads deciding what to read with the time I have available and have to think "What was that thread about?". There are many I open only to say "Oh yeah, why did I open this again?".

Then there's the threads in the mall. 88GT LOW MILES PERFECT CONDITION $100 (exaggeration for demonstration )
You open the ad excited only to find "I am looking for" HOW HARD IS IT TO PUT WTB IN THE TITLE.

Love the forum as it is but, if I could only choose one thing to improve, I would choose the search engine.


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Originally posted by Terry_w:

I love this forum. I always TRY to use the search before asking questions. The search engine here is the worst of any forum I personally have experienced. I am not saying it is unusable, just harder to pry the information out than other forums I have used.

One of my pet peeves is thread titles. MANY titles suck (including this thread). You need to state a specific subject or at least a general starting point. Try to make it something that the search engine will find. I hate it when I'm going through the threads deciding what to read with the time I have available and have to think "What was that thread about?". There are many I open only to say "Oh yeah, why did I open this again?".

Then there's the threads in the mall. 88GT LOW MILES PERFECT CONDITION $100 (exaggeration for demonstration )
You open the ad excited only to find "I am looking for" HOW HARD IS IT TO PUT WTB IN THE TITLE.

Love the forum as it is but, if I could only choose one thing to improve, I would choose the search engine.




I have to agree. It's a great forum with lots of good info. I have not been around long enough to catch the e-drama. Although I do see alittle of it when I use the search engine. Just enough to see that interwebz is serious business and there are a few e-thugs. I do wish it had a better search engine. Or atleast a way to eliminate words to narrow searches. On a different note, I wish there was a way to get notification of posts or pm's.
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Originally posted by TKDchamp:
I have to agree. It's a great forum with lots of good info. I have not been around long enough to catch the e-drama. Although I do see alittle of it when I use the search engine. Just enough to see that interwebz is serious business and there are a few e-thugs. I do wish it had a better search engine. Or atleast a way to eliminate words to narrow searches. On a different note, I wish there was a way to get notification of posts or pm's.



You can be notified of your PM's via a setting in your profile however not of new threads.
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I remember when we had an Automated Search engine called : MinnGreenGT

//www.fiero.nl/forum/A...041015-1-040515.html

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:
You can be notified of your PM's via a setting in your profile however not of new threads.



Yep. it work well most of the time. I have it set to send the notice to my hotmail account then my hotmail account sends a text to my phone. It seems like every once in a while the emails get delayed for a day or two then come through but that has only happened to me a few times. Once recently, but most of the time I get the text within minutes of PMs being posted. Very handy feature.

When you create a thread you can set it to notify you when there is a post to it. On another forum I go to you can "subscribe" to any thread and be notified when there is a post to that thread. I don't know of a way to do that here.


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Originally posted by fierosound:

FieroNews has manuals available for download. Haynes is under Tech
http://www.fieronews.net/fusion/downloads.php



Thanks a bunch for linking that - just saved me $100 from buying a service manual from fiero store.
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Originally posted by americasfuture2k:

not searching or searching hard enough for a very very common question on a more common than a "my fuel gauge doesnt read right" issue on the fiero makes you look like a total dumbass. and thus will probably yield you in getting less help from us common PFF folk.

just a friendly reminder to search first... its like wrap it before you tap it.



//www.fiero.nl/forum/A...010219-1-003156.html



americasfuture2k, in your own words does this make you a 'noob' or just 'lazy'?

this is an informative thread that might help you in the future so you don't start a thread that has already been done

//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/074352.html

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How do I disconnect the battery on my car? I used search and it sent me to this thread.

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Originally posted by jimbolaya:

How do I disconnect the battery on my car? I used search and it sent me to this thread.



Look in your service manual.

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Disclaimer: I search for things.

With that said, who cares, seriously. It's not like this has become such a problem that its over taking the forum or anything. Our cars are over 20 yrs old, and this forum has been around for a long time. My point is, I'd be willing to bet 90% of ALL the questions could probably be found somewhere out in the archives. Does that mean everyone should be searching instead of posting questions on the forum? Wow that sounds like fun.....

Seriously dude, calm down.
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Originally posted by Kento:

I remember when we had an Automated Search engine called : MinnGreenGT

//www.fiero.nl/forum/A...041015-1-040515.html



Yeah... but he has a kid now and he likes his motorcycle better and etc etc... the best he does on here lately is browse around and post explicit lyric songs about boats from youtube in O/T... LOL...
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Originally posted by bakantor:

(Noobie strapping on an extra set of brass balls)




to the Noob.


This is a forum, not a library.

Noobies should not be afraid to ask questions. Human beings are a billion times better than the search engine and can usually answer the question more accurately. And many of the oldtimers can search the archive because we remember reading the thread and know the keywords. Not as easy if you don't know the thread exists in the first place.

I say ask away. If I don't want to read it, I'll skip over it.
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I personally prefer to use the search for certain subjects. Mainly because if it's a common problem or question, it will come up, and I can probably glean ten times the info in a fraction of the time as opposed to waiting for the same number of answers to be posted in a new thread. And if I try a number of search strings and get little to no results in the search, then I figure a new thread may be in order.

And I'm wondering about the concept of "old stale" information? They made these cars for 4 years, 25 years ago. How much is going to change in the information one might find on a common problem? I realize that there are some damn creative guys on here who often find new/better/different ways of doing things, but generally, when they do, they post a thread about it! Which would show up in a search.

I'm just sayin'....
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*blows dust off PFF log in* Did someone mention me?

 
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Originally posted by carbon:


Yeah... but he has a kid now and he likes his motorcycle better and etc etc... the best he does on here lately is browse around and post explicit lyric songs about boats from youtube in O/T... LOL...


Never said that the cycle was "better". Just quicker. Faster. Cheaper. And generally a little more exciting. I'm actually in the process of selling the "other" bike - and have been considering spending at least a little of it on the GT. Maybe.

I come around now & then, but usually because someone sent me a link to check out (like Eric's boat thread).
Anyway... for ALL the noobs in this thread (I think I saw 3-5 posters with "big" post counts) I think others have already hit the nail squarely. Yes, it is wise to search first - but if you don't find, then it's perfectly acceptable to ask. For the "Senior" members... how about SHOWING the noob just how easy it is to find the answer by searching & linking FOR THEM (it's what I always do). Not only will you demonstrate how easy it is to do, but you'll actually be helping build relationships and making stronger, smarter Fiero owners.

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Originally posted by MinnGreenGT:

.......Not only will you demonstrate how easy it is to do, but you'll actually be helping build relationships and making stronger, smarter Fiero owners.



But we already are the smartest car owners out there.....we have to be!

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Yall complain a lot. just putting it out there.
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Where's the canooter valve located on my '85?
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Is this like saying "RTFM!" ??
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Heres an idea for cliff if his software supports it. A local forum im a part of does the search function for you after you write in the title. basicley after the title is writtin a windo pops up above the title area with a list of threads pertaning to the topic your about to start or close topics. I know im guilty of pointless posts and asking somthing that has already been asked but beleave me i do used the search function more often that usual.
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Originally posted by TKDchamp:
.... On a different note, I wish there was a way to get notification of posts or pm's.


Being the new guy and trying to figure this forum out, you CAN be notified of who posts in threads....but they have to be your own. Here is an image. When you create a thread, you have the option:
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Originally posted by Jackdaniels:


Being the new guy and trying to figure this forum out, you CAN be notified of who posts in threads....but they have to be your own. Here is an image. When you create a thread, you have the option:


There's a noob that does his research...
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I don't have a problem with noobs asking questions that have been asked and answered before. But... don't make me work to figure out what you're asking. I'll just ignore the post. Create a descriptive topic name, tell us which car you have, and describe your problem. I'm not going to go through a puzzle solving exercise to try to figure out what you're asking for.
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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

Lets put it this way.....90% of the new members that use search like to use the annoying cell phone text because they are too lazy to spell complete words or plain and simple, just can't spell....and it shows in their threads they post. The search works perfectly if you know what to type and be exact. If you misspell a word, you will get no results.

I totally agree with this statement. Been here for 9 years, am a 60 year old, non college blue collar type, and have very rarely not found what I was looking with the pff search tool. Like all tools, it requires a little input and work.

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i never find what im looking for on the search the first time. i usually have to search for a buncha vague terms to find what im actually looking for, then sort threw like 20pages of threads..

thats just me tho, and im usually searching for odd things :P


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I know first hand the enthusiasm of being a new Fiero owner as I had not owned one since my last one 26 years ago. Now I have two and nearly enough parts to make a third one! The huge majority of my post have been in one thread but I have waded through hundreds of threads that are nothing more than mindless banter between two or three members that would have been better served with PM's or in the O/T section. Having said that I guess the only two things that really irk me are:
  • Not using a correct headline that describes what you need eg: "How big can I go". Get to the freakin' point for crying out loud
  • Creating a new thread for every thought that pops into your head eg: "I bought a new engine", "Look what color I painted the new engine I bought", "Hey, I installed the new engine I just bought and painted". We scroll through pages of this crap and most of it is already in an existing thread


Most of the folk's on here do a pretty good job of Policing themselves but some of this stuff is so obvious the if you can't figure it out maybe you shouldn't be posting in the first place

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Originally posted by hookdonspeed:

i never find what im looking for on the search the first time. i usually have to search for a buncha vague terms to find what im actually looking for, then sort threw like 20pages of threads..


I agree; like was mentioned earlier sometimes an odd spelling or a hyphen throws off the Search feature just enough to make things hard to find. That happens with ALL forums, not just here.

On occasion I've searched for specific threads I remember (or remember posting in) and have sometimes come up empty.

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Funny, and maybe ironic considering my quoted post - I think having this as a thread topic (first post) is totally acceptable. I'd much rather see this reminder than having it as a reply to someone's posted question.

I like the idea of having a sticky post that gives pointers on how to get the best results from the PFF search engine, too.

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Originally posted by americasfuture2k:

not searching or searching hard enough for a very very common question on a more common than a "my fuel gauge doesnt read right" issue on the fiero makes you look like a total dumbass. and thus will probably yield you in getting less help from us common PFF folk.

just a friendly reminder to search first... its like wrap it before you tap it.



...btw, did you do a search, this topic has been cover many times before.


 
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Newb's....Use the search.

Old Geezers....Relax.



...exactly, why can't we all just get along? It's not like the world will end if the same question comes up ever once in a while.

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OK like I said before I love this forum. I spend many hours here. I always try to use the search first BUT--- here is an example of my experiences.
I saw this thread in the mall today:
//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/052033.html
I thought I saw some recently so I thought I would help out.
I hit search, typed in "caps" selected the mall to search and selected subject/username.
It found 3 pages of hits but it did not find the thread that I linked to above.
It clearly has "caps" in the subject and it is in the mall.

For those who say "the search works fine". Sorry but the "search" kinda sucks
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Originally posted by Terry_w:

OK like I said before I love this forum. I spend many hours here. I always try to use the search first BUT--- here is an example of my experiences.
I saw this thread in the mall today:
//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/052033.html
I thought I saw some recently so I thought I would help out.
I hit search, typed in "caps" selected the mall to search and selected subject/username.
It found 3 pages of hits but it did not find the thread that I linked to above.
It clearly has "caps" in the subject and it is in the mall.

For those who say "the search works fine". Sorry but the "search" kinda sucks


Type "wheel center caps".
http://www.fierosearch.com/...caps&Action=DoSearch

See the last thread on the bottom.

Edit to add......this is why I stated that spelling and exact wording is important. That is why it is so tough. Many threads are titled completely different from their actual topic so searching does become more difficult or almost impossible.

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:


Type "wheel center caps".
http://www.fierosearch.com/...caps&Action=DoSearch

See the last thread on the bottom.

Edit to add......this is why I stated that spelling and exact wording is important. That is why it is so tough. Many threads are titled completely different from their actual topic so searching does become more difficult or almost impossible.


That was my point a decent search engine should not work that way. I am sure that I could have messed with it till I found it with search but I actually already knew where that thread was. I was only demonstrating that a search SHOULD have found it. The word "caps" should have brought up EVERY thread with the word "caps" in the subject in the mall.
It's not very often that you know the complete title exactly the way it was spelled and punctuated. I was only addressing the people who say it works "fine". I can understand how frustrating it can be for a noob or anyone that has a problem and would like a speedy answer from existing informstion instead of having to post a question and wait for replies.
I know that a lot of times the search will find the answer but I think people give up on it after a few experiences like my example.
You know the answer is there but cannot find it.

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