Personally, i already have the N* so I would be going that route. It would be for my turbo setup. I think the difference between the N/A guys is that they require the injector bosses in the intake, where as the L67 had them in the head.
i think alot of people would use both but there could easly be an option for a l67 tb flange it would only change the mounting holes a little. this also could be used with the n/a guys if they changed to the l67 heads or there was a way to fab up injector bosses in them but that would require making new fuel rails (another product) but as far as i know there intake is not as restrictive as the l67's when going over to turbo some l67 guys use the v6 firebird intakes as an improvement over the intake. if you have any idea of a price range could you pm me i will not hold you too it and it can be like xxx-xxx dollars
i have some critical data that can be used during the fabrication. ive calculated the ideal runner dia, runner taper, runner length plenum volume, intake ram pipe, throttle body dia, iac and map solutions and even can have the calculations to tune the length based on the cam used in the engine. right now everything i have on hand is for iron heads and the 272 cam. but changes in length are the only thing required in changing the cam. please pm me and ill spit out the data.
Why not just post those calculations for developing a dual plenum intake for the pushrod V6 right here?
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OK, I finally got off my lazy ass and took those pictures. First up is the interior of the car. The steering wheel is real walnut. The door panel is stained pine/poplar.
Next up is a photo of the stock shifter knob. It measures 3.25" tall, and 2" diameter at its widest point. I'm not going to nit-pick the dimensions, though. As long as the wood shift knob is close to the same size/shape, I'll be happy.
I don't know what the thread dimensions are. But I can find out easy enough. Let me know if you still need that data.
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Any chance you can make an auto shift handle similar to this?
I'm not really interested in the rings at the top. It would be nice the have the pontiac arrowhead engraved along the shifter with the lettering around the top. Can you make it happen?
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Here's where I am going with the MAP sensor cover. Simple aluminum cover, will be welded on the corners, with slotted mounting holes in back (as requested). If you guys like this idea, I was going to drop this one off tomorrow to have TIG'd. Once you guys see it and approve, I will have at least a dozen more done and they'll be here ready when you want them; and probably on eBay.
NICE! This is looking a lot like what I had in mind. The slots will need to be on both sides so that you can insert and tighten the screws thru the MAP sensor. I'm assuming these will be polished as well?
I want the first one! Let me know how to make payment arrangements....
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Originally posted by randye: NICE! This is looking a lot like what I had in mind. The slots will need to be on both sides so that you can insert and tighten the screws thru the MAP sensor. I'm assuming these will be polished as well?
I want the first one! Let me know how to make payment arrangements....
Cool I was starting to wonder if I had missed the mark
It is welded up now. I picked it up Friday, but haven't had time to finish it up and post new pics.
No problem on the slots; and yes, they will be polished.
I'll start a new thread when this one is done, and payment info will be posted in it.
More later...
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Just reminder, in case it seems like I have forgotten or am moving too slowly on your request:
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Thanks everyone for the interest. One more detail about how all this will happen. As actual work orders for parts are developed I will start scheduling the jobs accordingly. One thing I won't do is over book myself to the point where I end up getting overwhelmed and people are waiting indefinitely for their parts. If and when we get to that point, if I tell you I can't start on your part (and even refuse to take a deposit) it's to guarantee that the jobs I have get done on a timely basis. If you have the time and patience to wait for me to give the current customers the best service I can, I will get to it. I have learned a lot in the years I have been in business, and I would rather lose a customer (or even refer them to another business) than make promises I can't meet.
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todd im not trying too push you. i figure there is going to be a little debate over on club gp on the over all design and i just want to get it over to the firing squad as soon as possible. I can see your other post on the map covers and i know your not just setting around
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It would help me in determining pricing if I could "see a show of hands" for how much potential interest there is in the dual plenum Fiero intake.
I am not asking for commitments, as per the orginal post in this thread. If I think it's worth the risk, I'll take that on myself and have the sitting here ready to be shipped - whether they sell or not.
I'd be interested, obviously price is a concern. But I'm no cheapskate, the qualitly of your work that I have seen is top notch and don't mind paying for it. -Jason
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todd im not trying too push you. i figure there is going to be a little debate over on club gp on the over all design and i just want to get it over to the firing squad as soon as possible. I can see your other post on the map covers and i know your not just setting around
I didn't mean you dude I try to remember to post that once in a while for the people who have seen little posted here about their requests. I just don't wnat anyone to think I forgot about them. The 3800 intake is burning hot in my thinker and I can't wait to get the process going on it.
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Originally posted by Fierofreak00: I'd be interested, obviously price is a concern. But I'm no cheapskate, the qualitly of your work that I have seen is top notch and don't mind paying for it. -Jason
Originally posted by PaulJK: there's about 10 pages in different threads and i'm just wondering .... did anything actually get made yet besides a MAP sensor cover ... (?)
Fair question. Answer - no.
There were some quotes given, and I assume they opted for off-the-shelf parts that are close to their original request; and much cheaper. I understand that, as custom parts cost a lot more than production parts because of the labor required to produce them. This was even with me offering my labor at close to minimum wage.
One-off custom work is just not very feasible for the average hotrodder, something I have learned over the years. Accordingly, as I have also done in my business in general, I started focusing on the requests in this thread that have the potential for limited production runs. The potential is there for me to at least break even over the long run, but making a part to suit the needs of a group of people requires a LOT of development time. It must appeal to all of them equally; must be as easy for the first person to purchase and install as the last, must be consistent in quality and performance, etc. I need a lot of feedack to deliver that - hence the pages of dialogue, and multiple threads.
The post explaining the delays was meant, in part, for you (and others like you). Your initial request for a 16-gallon fuel tank has not been forgotten. There is enough interest in it to justify limited production; which would make it cost feasible. I am leaning on my sub contractors pretty heavily right now, with both my own parts and the Fiero parts requested here, and just need some time to get to it. It's going to take time to work through all of that and get to the fuel tanks. I apologize for the inconvenience, but it is necessary to give each idea the attention it needs. If you don't have time to wait for me, and can find someone else to fulfill your needs I fully understand. If you do, I will do my best to deliver a quality product.
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I actually forgot about the fuel tank. I just see these "i have a dream" threads and nothing ever comes of them and was wondering if this was another one - if so, it's the longest one i've seen ... that's all .....
If somebody gets something they want, more power to you ....
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Originally posted by PaulJK: I actually forgot about the fuel tank. I just see these "i have a dream" threads and nothing ever comes of them and was wondering if this was another one - if so, it's the longest one i've seen ... that's all .....
If somebody gets something they want, more power to you ....
Understood, and it's not. I appreciate your concern though, and view your comments as additional motivation for me to deliver on the promise, as much as posisble.
Actually, reading a couple of them is what prompted me to start this thread:
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Originally posted by toddshotrods: First off, let me state that I have been around here for quite a few years. Longer than my current username would suggest. Some may remember me as perkidelic. I know the history of people offering new products and services to this community has been distressing to say the least, and I have actually been debating with myself for a while how to go about offering my services. After reading one of the latest great promise/great grief threads, from beginning to end, I decided to make the offer with the following conditions.
Last thing, some of those threads are more than ten pages...
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Well, my hope is for the dual intake manifolds, which i think would be a huge thing for those of us with mostly stock engines and little chance of an engine conversion - best of luck
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Thanks, I'm pushing really hard to get the intakes out. The MAP sensors were just to easy to pass up, but the intakes are the thing I think I can do to benefit the community most; and be okay doing financially.
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If you look at the thread tha FrancisT did on the Truelo manifold, you'll get an idea of what people will expect before they buy. A lot will wait to see what it does to engine performance before they buy (including me) - he put his on a dyno and posted the results. For me (and probably mostly everybody else in CA, we'll be looking for any changes in emissions as well).
Just a bump, as I am reviewing this thread again to update my list. As for the progress, and lack thereof, on the requests made here. I am waiting on shipments to finish up the design process of the Dual Plenum Intakes, and suppliers to actually supply something for the MAP Sensors; and these parts will be in production. When I reach that point with those two, I will select one or two more requests from this thread and get the ball rolling on them - provided there is still significant interest.
Along the way, I also started to focus more on parts that have the potential for a limited production run, even if that means only a handful of parts; because the one-off custom part prices, even with me working for burger-flipping labor rates, was beyond the budgets of the average Fiero owner. That being said, I am still willing and able to do one-offs for those who want to "go there".
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A couple major mistakes stalled the project. One, I was using a seemingly solid Datsun pickup frame for the foundation of the chassis. I used it because it had fully boxed frame rails that tapered down like a street rod frame on the ends. It appeared to be solid but was rusting from the inside out and holes started popping up all over it as I was working on the project!
The second mistake is I am small (5'4"/135lbs) and starting building the car to fit me. The body as shown in that last pic in the old sig you posted was channeled over the Datsun frame. The result was a tight fit for me inside the car. What made me realize I had went too far was my friend (approx. 5'10"/175lbs then) got in the other side. He couldn't straighten his neck, even slouched all the way forward, with his knees up really high!!! I realized then that even for me there wasn't enough room for a full cage, and a helmet - a couple things that would definitely be needed at the dragstrip.
Compounding the problem, the body to glass ratio (when viewed from the side) was way off. It needed a chopped top bad - needless to say that wasn't possible.
The head clearance issue could have been salvaged with a new perimeter-style chassis that would put me, and my passenger, three to four inches lower in the car. The body to glass ratio could have been corrected by raising the body and adding rocker panels (I eliminated them to get the body channeled over the frame as deep as it was); and chopping the top.
I abandoned it because I acquired new skills along the way, and my taste started changing. The solutions to the problems were there, but would have cost a lot of time and money. I lost interest in building a drag car or road race car, and started getting into street rods. All-in-all it was a great learning experience, that didn't cost much. The next time I put the saw to a car, that experience helped because it went back together right Something about seeing me do it also gave some people the courage to let me put the saw to some relatively expensive vehicles, so it was more than worth it to me.
I was building that car in bartered space in a friend's shop. When I took it out of there a then brand new Avalanche rolled into that space and the saw was unleashed on it...
By the way, the "pink"-n-pearl white rendering was not actually a rendering of the drag car project in the last pic of the sig. It was actually just a paint scheme for my daily driver (interior shots in the middle two pics). The big rear wheels were an exaggeration, but I really wanted the engine compartment window. The "pink" color is actually the raspberry color GM used back in the late eighties - it came out of the scanner looking pink. Rust claimed that car... ------------------ toddshotrods.com - wanna ride? crazy projects, features, articles, art & more
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I was starting to wonder if I had missed the mark 
