T-2: The SCCA GT class consists of purpose built, tube chassis race cars. The KEVA Engineering GT-2 is a custom built Pontiac Fiero with a full race 2.7 Litre motor. Originally built for the IMSA GTU professional racing class, this vehicle was originally sponsored by the Pontiac Fiero factory and built to plans designed by Pontiac Motorsports. With a weight of 2000 pounds and 300 HP, the performance of this car is outstanding. 12 inch wide racing slicks and careful attention paid to aerodynamics, the GT-2 Fiero can corner and brake at over 1.4 g’s. A custom built dog ring transmission can be geared to either maximize acceleration or top speed. With gearing chosen carefully, top speed approaches 160 mph. Carbon metallic brakes complete the package. Understanding the capabilities of this purpose built machine, optimizing suspension design and building our own motors guarantees that the KEVA Engineering staff fully understands vehicle handling and the effect of vehicle design on overall vehicle performance.
http://www.kevaeng.com/motorsports.shtml Now that would be cool to own! How much you think they go for? I would love to own one Edit: seems I misread the site, and they just own one that they race? Too bad
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This car was built by Pontiac and statred out as the Fiero Factory sponsored race car. The driver was Tim Walker and the first race for them was the Pontiac Trans Am 100 in 1984 during the Detroit Gran Prix Weekend. If you worked at the factory you could donate a dollar and become a sponsor and an official member of the Pontiac Racing Team. From what I can gather the car went on to having Pickway Shoes (car # 00) as it's sponsor and was driven during the 1987 IMSA GTU series by a couple of drivers, Fred Staffilino and Lorenzo Lamas. Now it is owned by the company you have found KEVA Engineering. I think if you go to Gary Witzenburg's book you will find a picture of that car inside the factory.
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kwagner Member
Posts: 4258 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Apr 2005
Does anyone know of a listing of what race cars were made, and possibly where they are now? That would be nice to see I'm sure there's numerous stories behind each car by now, those that have survived anyway.
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There are others. Do a search for IMSA as the thread title, under GFC:Archive ------------------ Raydar 88 Formula IMSA Fasback.............................. 88 3.4 coupe................................................ Praise the Lowered!Read Nealz Nuze!
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
I call BS on the 1.4G claimes because clearly is can't outhandle and enzo, zo6 or anything else on the whole list of cars presented here before.
Not flaming just ribbing those fun fun fun calikid threads
enzo's and z06 arent magical. this is a RACE car, not a STREET car. tires is the main reason why it can handle like it does. big jump between street tires & race tires. tires is almost EVERYTHING. any racer will tell ya that. the cars, the suspension geometry, the suspension setup, the engine, the power curve - is all peanuts compared to TIRES. a little over the top, but a decent street car on F1 tires can beat a F1 car on street tires
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Posts: 1407 From: Ann Arbor, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2001
enzo's and z06 arent magical. this is a RACE car, not a STREET car. tires is the main reason why it can handle like it does. big jump between street tires & race tires. tires is almost EVERYTHING. any racer will tell ya that. the cars, the suspension geometry, the suspension setup, the engine, the power curve - is all peanuts compared to TIRES. a little over the top, but a decent street car on F1 tires can beat a F1 car on street tires
You are right...the claims of 1.4G may or may not be true, but when it comes down to the physics the 1.4 is mearly the static coeficient of friction for that perticular set of tires.
------------------ ~ Shane Love it, admire it....tear it apart!
If you plan on making to the Daytona Show this Saturday you will see the number four car with all the other Fiero's. I just spent the morning at Dingman's "toy box" detailing it for the show...
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You are right...the claims of 1.4G may or may not be true, but when it comes down to the physics the 1.4 is mearly the static coeficient of friction for that perticular set of tires.
Like I said guys I was just poking fun. I'd like to see a street car with a set of F1 Bridgestone's on them
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kwagner Member
Posts: 4258 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Apr 2005
I was doing some more searching, and found some more fiero race cars (with pics of most). Previously I have only seen pics of the gm goodwrench and valvoline fastbacks, and the dole and stp notchbacks. Here is the site: http://racingsportscars.com/photo.html I followed up with getting racing result info from here: http://www.classicscars.com/wspr/results/imsa/nf_imsa_home.html sorted by year the car appeared (changing teams and drivers gets confusing to follow): (84-87) #84: Dole Racing (85) #27: George Smith (team unknown) (85-87) #50: Huffaker Engineering (gm goodwrench) (85-87) #55: Huffaker Engineering (gm goodwrench) (86-88) #0: Staffilino Racing (86-87) #10: Packer Pontiac, then Buist/Syfert Racing (86-88) #15/16: Murray Racing (87) #4: Dingman Bros Racing (87) #16: Robinson Racing (88) different #10?: Clay Young (team unknown) (88) #44: Rain-X (88) different #50?: Bart Kendall (team unknown) (88) different #55?: John Daley (team unknown) (88-89) #74: Huffaker Racing (in 89 changed to Robinson Racing) (88) #89: Walter Benson (team unknown) (89,91) #08: Dominic Dobson (team unknown) (90) #09: Manen Racing (90) #43: Joe Varde (Puerto Rico) (team unknown) (90) #79: Juan Vento (Dominican Republic) (team unknown) Ok, I think my head is going to explode now I'm not sure which of these cars are trades over the years and which are distinct, but that's a lot of fieros! Why are there only pics of a few?
those kinda g's arent that hard to achieve, the mallett solstice pulled like a 1.02g in the middle of the winter, on street tires, not originals but still.
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Posts: 3703 From: Scottsville, KY Registered: Feb 2003
I was doing some more searching, and found some more fiero race cars (with pics of most). Previously I have only seen pics of the gm goodwrench and valvoline fastbacks, and the dole and stp notchbacks. Here is the site: http://racingsportscars.com/photo.html I followed up with getting racing result info from here: http://www.classicscars.com/wspr/results/imsa/nf_imsa_home.html sorted by year the car appeared (changing teams and drivers gets confusing to follow): (84-87) #84: Dole Racing (85) #27: George Smith (team unknown) (85-87) #50: Huffaker Engineering (gm goodwrench) (85-87) #55: Huffaker Engineering (gm goodwrench) (86-88) #0: Staffilino Racing (86-87) #10: Packer Pontiac, then Buist/Syfert Racing (86-88) #15/16: Murray Racing (87) #4: Dingman Bros Racing (87) #16: Robinson Racing (88) different #10?: Clay Young (team unknown) (88) #44: Rain-X (88) different #50?: Bart Kendall (team unknown) (88) different #55?: John Daley (team unknown) (88-89) #74: Huffaker Racing (in 89 changed to Robinson Racing) (88) #89: Walter Benson (team unknown) (89,91) #08: Dominic Dobson (team unknown) (90) #09: Manen Racing (90) #43: Joe Varde (Puerto Rico) (team unknown) (90) #79: Juan Vento (Dominican Republic) (team unknown) Ok, I think my head is going to explode now I'm not sure which of these cars are trades over the years and which are distinct, but that's a lot of fieros! Why are there only pics of a few?
For what its worth, the one that was for sale that you reference above was pretty much trashed from what I could tell in the pictures. I think you could find a better one or better yet, build one.
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Posts: 1436 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2005
If you plan on making to the Daytona Show this Saturday you will see the number four car with all the other Fiero's. I just spent the morning at Dingman's "toy box" detailing it for the show...
Does mine qualify for the list? It's the fastest POS in my autocross club afterall. Now if Craig would ever make it to one of our events....
Can I park mine next to it? If you say yes I'll even promise to wash it.
PS - I said I'd promise to. I didn't say I actually would. lol
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kwagner Member
Posts: 4258 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Apr 2005
For what its worth, the one that was for sale that you reference above was pretty much trashed from what I could tell in the pictures. I think you could find a better one or better yet, build one.
The second for sale linked car looks much better than the first Of course it's also twice the price. I think you're right, I could build one (with lots of help) that would be in better condition, plus set up just how I want it. It won't have any history associated with it, but then it's better to make your own history anyway
Edit: 2002z28ssconv: Nice hump Decent sized tires on there, too. What are you running?
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Cool! I hope that means that you'll have one of your very own there too. I can't wait to see it if that's the surprise. Sorry if I spoiled it.
Mine cam efrom PA that way. The hump is there so that it clears the Holley 2bbl carb. It's an otherwise stock 2.8 that I converted to a 4 speed thanks to a parts car bought from fellow PFF member Hops. I think the tires in that picture are 205/45/15 Hoosier AS304's. I'm running Kumho V710's right now. I'll probably go with full-fledged slicks next time. I want to stroke it to a 3.1 and install the Edelbrock cam that I bought months ago. I already installed the Edelbrock intake manifold on it.
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kwagner Member
Posts: 4258 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Apr 2005
I was doing some more searching, and found some more fiero race cars (with pics of most). Previously I have only seen pics of the gm goodwrench and valvoline fastbacks, and the dole and stp notchbacks. Here is the site: http://racingsportscars.com/photo.html I followed up with getting racing result info from here: http://www.classicscars.com/wspr/results/imsa/nf_imsa_home.html sorted by year the car appeared (changing teams and drivers gets confusing to follow): (84-87) #84: Dole Racing (85) #27: George Smith (team unknown) (85-87) #50: Huffaker Engineering (gm goodwrench) (85-87) #55: Huffaker Engineering (gm goodwrench) (86-88) #0: Staffilino Racing (86-87) #10: Packer Pontiac, then Buist/Syfert Racing (86-88) #15/16: Murray Racing (87) #4: Dingman Bros Racing (87) #16: Robinson Racing (88) different #10?: Clay Young (team unknown) (88) #44: Rain-X (88) different #50?: Bart Kendall (team unknown) (88) different #55?: John Daley (team unknown) (88-89) #74: Huffaker Racing (in 89 changed to Robinson Racing) (88) #89: Walter Benson (team unknown) (89,91) #08: Dominic Dobson (team unknown) (90) #09: Manen Racing (90) #43: Joe Varde (Puerto Rico) (team unknown) (90) #79: Juan Vento (Dominican Republic) (team unknown) Ok, I think my head is going to explode now I'm not sure which of these cars are trades over the years and which are distinct, but that's a lot of fieros! Why are there only pics of a few?
Missed one: Huffaker Engineering of California. This car is serial no. 009 from 1987. Currently locally owned and raced by Jack Ondrack
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Posts: 8656 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
One of the biggest complaints out there when it comes to the closed mouth chin spoilers is that they negatively affect the car's cooling ability, if so why do all the race cars have them ?
I personally love them !
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kwagner Member
Posts: 4258 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Apr 2005
mickey_moose: I had seen the car in pics on this forum before (and love it!), but it didn't show up in any of my IMSA searchings. Was it bought but not raced in IMSA, or perhaps raced in a different class/series?
exoticse: I believe it's for added downforce, and I think it's a tradeoff/balance between cooling and extra handling.
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Posts: 3703 From: Scottsville, KY Registered: Feb 2003
One of the biggest complaints out there when it comes to the closed mouth chin spoilers is that they negatively affect the car's cooling ability, if so why do all the race cars have them ?
I personally love them !
The chin spoiler is used for front end down force and to minimize lift. In combination with side skirts (very near the ground) a negitive pressure can be generated under the car using the negitive pressure behind the car created by the wake of air the car makes. In some cases, it will affect the cooling by reducing air through the radiator (stock Fiero). Typically the IMSA fieros do not have that problem. They were designed to cool only through the "grille" opening (or mouth) at the front. Below is a picture showing that the air is funneled through the radiator.
The Huffaker cars had smoother sheet metal than mine, but you get the idea. Anyway, what you want is to minimize the air through the car. You want just enough to keep the car cool and at normal operating temp. The race motors I am familiar with run steady at 210 F coolant and 210 F oil temperature. If you notice, the NASCAR guys will tape over their radiator for qualifying to improve aerodynamics because they can afford to run a high temp for a short time. Probably more than you wanted to know.
The air dam: Just enough to clear the ground. (at least most of it)
There is one in Vegas. Rick is the owner, he races it in Auto-X. I could belive the 1.4 G claim as I have seen this thing whoop up on everything else. It is just amazing to watch race. but he has a 500HP V8 with a 7000rpm rev limit. Totaly sick car.
There is one in Vegas. Rick is the owner, he races it in Auto-X. I could belive the 1.4 G claim as I have seen this thing whoop up on everything else. It is just amazing to watch race. but he has a 500HP V8 with a 7000rpm rev limit. Totaly sick car.
I've seen pictures of it. That's the "Tomcat" right? No. 14? I wonder if 500 hp is too much for Auto-X. I know 645 is. Makes me want to de-tune the engine and get back into Auto-X
I know that there was a tube chassis car (maybe not original) in northern Indiana that did very well (and may have won) in the national championship in the early 90's. The guy's name escapes me now but he was from the South Bend area. I also know that Terry Satchel build his own with a friend of his and raced it in the late 80's at MIS. He was the original designer of the chassis and suspension for the Huffaker car. Worked at Pontiac. I don't know if that one is still around but it would not have a Huffaker number. However I would consider it better than original because it was a one of a kind, build by the original designer.
As it turns out, there could be several more chassis out there that we don't know of built by independent racers like the members on this forum. I know from talking to Huffaker that 18 original chassis were built. 15 had Fiero bodies and 3 had Ferrari bodies. I also know that about 7 to 10 sets of prints were sold in that time frame. Several people could have built their own.
I also know that at least one of the cars was converted to a Porsche body back in the 90's. EJ Trivette (one of the original chassis fabricators and the guy who build my suspension) told me he converted it.
There is a guy in Northern Illinois that has Chassis #14 with the original 84 prototype gray and white body on it. He races it often and holds a few track records at Black Hawk(?) raceway up there. He has 4 SD4 motors and is the "goto" guy for 4 cyclinder Fiero racing. Paul VanDerLey sends people to him when they ask questions. It's a long story, but from all the information he has, I know he is the real deal and the car and body are real.
I also know of a guy on the east coast who contacted me about a rolling chassis in the Arizona area that had been sitting for the last 15 years. I hhave seen pictures and this car si the real deal as well. It even still has the original Center Line wheels on it.
I'm sure if I think some more, I can come up with a few more cars. Drawing a blank right now.
Hopefully that helps.
And... 1.4 is possible with this set up. Some day I'll get the G-Tech pro working and let you know for sure.
------------------ Paul Home Built Tube Chassis IMSA Race Car - 3.8 lb./hp | DAILY DRIVER and PROUD OF IT! 1987 Fiero GT 130,xxx, 3.1 motor, HHP swaybar, Full poly..... For a full history of the Fiero SS: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/789315
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kwagner Member
Posts: 4258 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Apr 2005
mickey_moose: I had seen the car in pics on this forum before (and love it!), but it didn't show up in any of my IMSA searchings. Was it bought but not raced in IMSA, or perhaps raced in a different class/series?
A little history of the car: Huffaker-engineered inline gearbox layout with Hewland DGB 201 and a 90 degree Chevy V6 of 4500 cc/475 hp. Huffaker sent it to the Caribbean when new; was bought by the current owner from the owner in Puerto Rico, a radiologist, a few years ago. It had done only two races from new. Raced it in Calgary June 22-23, 2002 at the Edmonton Namao airport sports car races in mid-July and at the Molson Indy Vancouver sports car race July 28, 2002 (just to name a few).
I am not sure what class it ran in Puerto Rico, but it is now runs in the: SCCA GT-1 or Club Races, which may explain that.
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Its the Super Duty 4, race version of the Iron Duke, way stronger. Was used in the real Indy Pace Car, putting out 232hp or so. It can be built to a lot more than that. FastIndyFiero is working on a Turbo version. You can still get the engines, but they're expensive.
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Fiero SS Member
Posts: 29 From: Beaver Dam WI Registered: Feb 2006
I'm not sure which of these cars are trades over the years and which are distinct, but that's a lot of fieros! Why are there only pics of a few? 
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