Excuse me, This is not a cure, It's an addiction!!!!!!!!!! Once you drive one of these beast there's no getting enough of it.
Thanks Gary
Everyone have a great day
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Would this be a good time to resurrect the $4000 V8 swap thread?
Oh, and any word on development of an LSx kit? How's that going?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Would this be a good time to resurrect the $4000 V8 swap thread? Oh, and any word on development of an LSx kit? How's that going?

Nope, the thread is in the Archives and the Car is in Texas
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20040223-2-011753.html

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The used engine I had put in the car spun a bearing (remember when I said you take your chances with used engines) I replaced it with an LM1 & put TPI injection on it & still finished under $5K.

Archie

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quote Originally posted by Archie: If you want to compare apples to apples price a new 3.8sc or 4.9 & figure out what the real bottom line is for these swaps. This is a NEW ZZ4 Chevy crate engine mounted into a '88 GT 5-speed. Cost? Real easy to figure...... My Master-Build Kit = 3150.00 ZZ4 355 Horse Crate engine #24502609 = 3967.00 Retail price Carb, plug wires & Aircleaner = 270.00 Total cost = $ 7387.00 Or you can buy a smaller New LM1 Chevy Crate engine for like 1700.00 which will bring the total down to less than $ 5200.00. This is the LM1 swap we are finishing up this week..... Also, many of the parts in the MasterBuild kit are over-the-counter speed shop parts & you can save a few dollars shopping around for those parts. Archie

Diffrence is well under 5k someone installed mine, with a tranny too, and it's a world class install just like yours are. No flames but still not Apples to Apples unless your gonna install it for me too for under 5k total. Now get to work on the LS1 swap kit,, I need that too for another project. BTW No flame intended just throwing another wrench into the comparison.

Edit (It's with respect for the installer that I won't publish his price, everyone situation is diffrent.) Also I am happy for a strong exchange rate

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Dr. Archie...

How do I cure my fever?
"Take two 350ci and call me in the morning.'

Dr. Archie... nice ring to it...

We need to see more of the cure, I am just now starting to feel better. Another 20 or 30 pictures just might do it.
Keep up the good work.
Bob

quote Originally posted by linenoise: BTW No flame intended just throwing another wrench into the comparison.

I agree, comparing our 2 swaps would be like comparing street racing Ricers vs muscle cars.

Now back to the cure if it's ok.

Archie

Well the 4.9 runs in the 13's in street trim which is close to what these musclecars run in street trim.

www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml

quote Originally posted by Archie: I agree, comparing our 2 swaps would be like comparing street racing Ricers vs muscle cars. Archie

Glad theres no flmes but it appears cheap shots are ok! Thanks Archie, No need to reply, I'm out as I don't argue on the internet.

quote Originally posted by Archie:

What's that thar yeller thingie in the upper left? Have we seen a thread on it yet?

quote Originally posted by blakeinspace: What's that thar yeller thingie in the upper left? Have we seen a thread on it yet?

Looks to me like an F40 Kit. Any more pics?

quote Originally posted by Archie: ... Now back to the cure if it's ok. ... Archie

Some people like their medicine in cherry, some in grape. That's some pretty nice flavors right there. Yum! Maybe I missed the thread, but do you have any LS style medicine available yet? Or are you still in the testing phase of your medicine development?

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quote Originally posted by fieroX: $7000 for an SBC swap. Damn.

Yeah, you could'a had 2 or 3 of them for what you have invested in that lawn art you have sitting in the yard.

quote Originally posted by fieroX: sorry, had to start some trouble somewhere

Yeah, why don't you talk trash in Lloyd's direction again, that was pretty funny watching you back down from that one.

Archie

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hmmmm...I still want a LS2......

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quote Originally posted by Fiero STS: Business must be slow over to Archies. Looks like he's trying to drum up some sales.

Well... he's got you looking at this thread,

Those Northstar threads must be getting boring.

Just an observation here. The prices posted do not include labor. You've got to add a few more thousand onto the total costs.
Cool listing Mastermind. It would be cool to show the Fiero 1/4 mile list alongside the musclecar list.
But that would be another thread.

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quote Originally posted by Ronnie: Just an observation here. The prices posted do not include labor. You've got to add a few more thousand onto the total costs.

...any engine swap is expensive when you have someone else do it.

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quote Originally posted by DL10: I'm not sure I'm cured, but this sure makes me feel better.

Bitchin DL10, you flipped it! Damn that was such a fun car!

Here is a before pic..

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My eventual cure .... 1979 355cid, LS-9, high nickle, 4 bolt, steel crank, balanced, .030 over Hypertetic pistons ... (and if things keep going for me like they are right now .... this cure may be sooner rather than later !!!!! ) :-P

And my sons (real soon) cure ....

Great thread Arch !!!!!!!!

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quote Originally posted by Ronnie: Just an observation here. The prices posted do not include labor. You've got to add a few more thousand onto the total costs. Cool listing Mastermind. It would be cool to show the Fiero 1/4 mile list alongside the musclecar list. But that would be another thread.

Archie lists the costs on his website. He charges $6100 to do a manual swap, not counting the cost of the engine. That's labor, plus the cost of the Master Build Kit. Since the Stick Shift Master Build Kit runs $3250, that puts his labor right at about $2850. If you check other people's labor prices, you'll find that's a good price for the amount of man-hours involved in the swap.

quote Quoted from V8 Archie's Website: http://www.v8archie.com/arch10.htm On stick shift Fieros we charge $6100, plus the cost of the complete engine you choose to use. (LT1-4 Swaps are $700 more). This includes all of the items in our Master-Build Conversion Kit plus labor & testing as required to complete the conversion.

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What is the most powerful engine you put in fieros? LS1? I want to put a 300+ horsepower engine in my '88 GT auto and I'm not too sure of how to go about it. I don't have a garage that's large enough to swap an engine, and I don't have all the proper equipment, so I'm looking for a garage near (within like 75 miles at least) of me to do a swap. Anyone know of any garages around Atlanta that would do this for a reasonable price? Sounds like I'd have to order the Master Build Kit from Archie and then get the engine from GM? And then take it to a shop to get it done?

quote Originally posted by Archie: Archie

This is just too much eye candy. Very,very sweet engine. Too bad I live in Caleefornia, darn it!

Archie, I have one word for you ENABLER!!! Isnt this sorta like going to Jack Daniels to quit drinking beer?
BTW, I am willing to be adopted if you ever want a son that has his own shop and wouldnt ask for too much
You might want to consider getting some security, my wife has placed you on her top ten list of people to keep me away from at all costs er before it costs lol
Brad

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: I agree, comparing our 2 swaps would be like comparing street racing Ricers vs muscle cars. Now back to the cure if it's ok. Archie Well the 4.9 runs in the 13's in street trim which is close to what these musclecars run in street trim. www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml

Just so you know, Archie's comment was referring to the fact that linenoise was comparing the cost of an engine swap with a USED engine vs. the cost of a swap with a NEW engine. If you are going to compare engine swap costs, They you need to compare apples to apples. Most people could go to a junk yard and get a used 4.9L from $300-$900, Odd are if you wanted an used SBC like an LM1 or L-98 you could locate one for about the same price and then get the basic kit and install it yourself.

In my opinion, if you are going to take the time and money to do ANY type of engine swap (3.4L, 3800, 3800SC, 4.9L, N*, SBC, etc.)
You should take the time to rebuild or buy a rebuilt/crate engine for reliability pruposes. It would really suck to swap in an engine, expecting the rush of the increased power, Just to have the used engine fail a week later especially when selecting older engines. (3800's and N*'s can be bought with super low miles but then the cost is usually higher.)
I rebuilt my 3.4L from the block up when I did my swap. So I actually spent about $1800 more for my swap than most people who installed a 3.4L. My engine fired right up and after some minor tuning was running as expected. I do know a few who started their 3.4L's and had problem like low oil pressure, worn cam, burnt valves, etc. because they bought a used engine and just dropped it in without inspecting the internals. Hence it required more time and money to correct the problems.

If you want to swap in an unknowm engine to save a buck, It could end up costing you more time and money later.

quote Originally posted by Oreif: Just so you know, Archie's comment was referring to the fact that linenoise was comparing the cost of an engine swap with a USED engine vs. the cost of a swap with a NEW engine. If you are going to compare engine swap costs, They you need to compare apples to apples. Most people could go to a junk yard and get a used 4.9L from $300-$900, Odd are if you wanted an used SBC like an LM1 or L-98 you could locate one for about the same price and then get the basic kit and install it yourself. In my opinion, if you are going to take the time and money to do ANY type of engine swap (3.4L, 3800, 3800SC, 4.9L, N*, SBC, etc.) You should take the time to rebuild or buy a rebuilt/crate engine for reliability pruposes. It would really suck to swap in an engine, expecting the rush of the increased power, Just to have the used engine fail a week later especially when selecting older engines. (3800's and N*'s can be bought with super low miles but then the cost is usually higher.) I rebuilt my 3.4L from the block up when I did my swap. So I actually spent about $1800 more for my swap than most people who installed a 3.4L. My engine fired right up and after some minor tuning was running as expected. I do know a few who started their 3.4L's and had problem like low oil pressure, worn cam, burnt valves, etc. because they bought a used engine and just dropped it in without inspecting the internals. Hence it required more time and money to correct the problems. If you want to swap in an unknowm engine to save a buck, It could end up costing you more time and money later.

Close the point I was making is that even using a used engine the 4K swap costed closer to 5K for under 5K I got a swap and the labor was included. Not everyone can swap a motor in. Now why is everyone arguing this is all about making our car better. Lets have some fun with the 'Lets dry some thing diffrent thread"

quote Originally posted by Oreif: Just so you know, Archie's comment was referring to the fact that linenoise was comparing the cost of an engine swap with a USED engine vs. the cost of a swap with a NEW engine. If you are going to compare engine swap costs, They you need to compare apples to apples. Most people could go to a junk yard and get a used 4.9L from $300-$900, Odd are if you wanted an used SBC like an LM1 or L-98 you could locate one for about the same price and then get the basic kit and install it yourself. In my opinion, if you are going to take the time and money to do ANY type of engine swap (3.4L, 3800, 3800SC, 4.9L, N*, SBC, etc.) You should take the time to rebuild or buy a rebuilt/crate engine for reliability pruposes. It would really suck to swap in an engine, expecting the rush of the increased power, Just to have the used engine fail a week later especially when selecting older engines. (3800's and N*'s can be bought with super low miles but then the cost is usually higher.) I rebuilt my 3.4L from the block up when I did my swap. So I actually spent about $1800 more for my swap than most people who installed a 3.4L. My engine fired right up and after some minor tuning was running as expected. I do know a few who started their 3.4L's and had problem like low oil pressure, worn cam, burnt valves, etc. because they bought a used engine and just dropped it in without inspecting the internals. Hence it required more time and money to correct the problems. If you want to swap in an unknowm engine to save a buck, It could end up costing you more time and money later.

Orief,

what you said makes perfect sense. However, you like others are overlooking one of the most important parts of the equation, INDIVIDUALITY. I'm baffled as to why some owners of Fieros constantly miss it. After all, isn't INDIVIDUALITY one of the reasons we've decided to own them in the first place? Like I said what you said makes perfect sense its just some of us just like the idea of traveling a different path.

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quote Originally posted by Mastermind: Orief, what you said makes perfect sense. However, you like others are overlooking one of the most important parts of the equation, INDIVIDUALITY. I'm baffled as to why some owners of Fieros constantly miss it. After all, isn't INDIVIDUALITY one of the reasons we've decided to own them in the first place? Like I said what you said makes perfect sense its just some of us just like the idea of traveling a different path.

I still don't understand what you mean? If you mean that you went to a 4.9L to show your individuality, I can understand. I have a carb'd 3.4L as my choice on individuality. That wasn't what I was commenting on. If you re-read my post I was talking about all engine swaps, not a specific one. The thing that gets me is everyone seems to bring up the cost of a swap when trying to promote their engine swap choice. Each swap is different. Linenoise had his 4.9L installed for less than $5K. That is a good deal. But that's not to say some other person in another state can get the same deal or maybe they could get a better deal. The point I was making was the cost of the swap is not going to be the same for everyone hence comparing a swap done by a business that has set prices for the swaps they do and comparing them to a swap done by a friend at a garage or a local garage that does it on the side isn't really a fair comparison. I am sure that West Coast Fiero has a set price of doing a 3800, and The Fiero Factory has a set price for installing a 4.9L and 3.4L's. I am also sure that I could find a local shop to do a swap cheaper that WCF or Fiero Factory. Twin Lakes installs 3.4L engines for $3500. For $2500 I rebuilt my engine, rebuilt my trans, and installed new suspension parts. Instead of just installing a low mileage engine as would be the case if Twin Lakes did the swap.
Point is cost is as individual as engine choice on any particular swap.

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quote Originally posted by California Kid: Then take the path out of this thread, nuff said already!!!!

C.K., I didn't know I needed your permission to post. I'll remember to ask next time.

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Hey Archie,

Great job congratulations, I just have one question for you:

- How many days does it takes to you to swap a V6 for a LT1 engine in a Fiero ???

Thanks ...
Ales

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