quote Originally posted by California Kid: Mastermind (not a very fitting name for you by the way), you don't need my, or anyone's else's permission to post on a public forum. What you do need is "Manners" which you surely lack, and is evident by your rating bar. I'm going to leave this post on here a little while, then I'm going to replace my posts with something meaningful to the thread Archie started.

Thanks Kid,

It looks like Archie has a Stalker, who follows him around trying to turn every fun thread into Trash Can material.

Mastermind: go follow someone else around for a while. Like you've said in your multitude of threads, If you don't have something positive to contribute, don't bother to read the thread.

Archie

Welcome !

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Originally posted by California Kid:
Mastermind (not a very fitting name for you by the way), you don't need my, or anyone's else's permission to post on a public forum. What you do need is "Manners" which you surely lack, and is evident by your rating bar.

I'm going to leave this post on here a little while, then I'm going to replace my posts with something meaningful to the thread Archie started.

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Originally posted by Archie:

Thanks Kid,

It looks like Archie has a Stalker, who follows him around trying to turn every fun thread into Trash Can material.

Mastermind: go follow someone else around for a while. Like you've said in your multitude of threads, If you don't have something positive to contribute, don't bother to read the thread.

Archie

C.K. I guess you think you displayed manners by telling me to take a path out of the thread.

Geez, and I thought only WWE had tag teams. Nice going guys.

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MM, why are you here? If you don't like the SBC fans posting crap in your 4.9 threads, why the hell are you crapping in this one?

ATTENTION WORLD: MASTERMIND LIKES 4.9's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fine. The 4.9 rocks. You love them. Guess what? The typical SBC fan doesn't give a RAT'S ARSE!!
Now STFU already!

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: C.K. I guess you think you displayed manners by telling me to take a path out of the thread. Geez, and I thought only WWE had tag teams. Nice going guys.

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: I say once again I find that regrettable. I have no problem ignoring threads that don't appeal to me. I don't see why that's so hard for a few others. Well..if I'm rated negatively because I post 4.9 topics maybe one day I'll be rated postively for the very same reason.

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: So why not save yourself such consternation by just skipping threads with 4.9s as a topic? Easy right?

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: I getting a feeling that certain people want to censor/stop discussions about 4.9s when all they have to do is move on to a topic more to there liking. Pretty simple solution, right?

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: So buzz off if you are bothered by 4.9s as a topic as there are plenty of other topics to choose from.

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: No one is forcing you or anyone else to read 4.9 threads. The real question you need answer yourself is....Why is it so hard for you and other whiners to control themselves and refrain from reading threads they obviously dislike? Do you have this same problem while shopping meaning buying everything in the stores? Just because its there in stock, even though you didn't want those items? You have to remember...This is a forum about Fieros, people discuss Fieros. They do swaps with them, the 4.9 is a swap. People discuss swaps. People read about swaps that interest them. They should avoid topics that don't. So you should rethink the logic of what you're saying. If that's too hard how about following this motto..."Live and Let Live"

All those quotes from only one thread, too bad you can't take your own advice.

Archie

ATTENTION WORLD: FORMULA88 LIKES SBCs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/]

Fine. The SBC rocks. You love them. Guess what? The typical 4.9 fan doesn't give a RAT'S ARSE!!
Now STFU already!

Maybe if you took the time to read the entire thread instead of glancing at a few post then cheerleading for the SBC you would know.

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quote Originally posted by California Kid: Don't know about you guys, but I'm going to crap on him every chance I get.

I see you finally decided to verbalize what you've already been doing. I'm glad to see it in print.

Hey Mastermind, I'd love it if you forward this link to Cliff.

Again, I will edit my posts later to add to the original topic.

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Why bother Cliff by forwarding such trivial juvenile pranks?

quote Originally posted by Archie: This is a NEW ZZ4 Chevy crate engine mounted into a '88 GT 5-speed. Archie

Archie, I love SBCs, I've owned 2 in the past and intend to own one again. I'm waiting for your ls1 Kit to drop then lookout. Question about the ZZ4, they are marketed as pre-emissions, can they only be used in non-emissions states? I think that is why I'm leaning towards a production engine.

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quote Originally posted by Mastermind: Why bother Cliff by forwarding such trivial juvenile pranks?

Well everyone, this thread is over.

Our resident Masterbaiter has decided that the people that were enjoying this thread were having just too much fun.

He was getting tired of bumping his own threads up to the top, so he decided to turn this thread into Trash Can material.

That's a shame too, because I had about 80 more pictures to show you, We could'a had a lot of fun with this thread, but Masterbaiter has cast his vote to ruin yet another thread.

He says he has the right to post to any thread he wants to post to, I think it's time for PFF members to review this thread and see if Masterbaiter has added anything of value to this thread or to any other thread for that matter.

I guess next time I should ask for his permission to start a thread.

On second thought, I'm not starting anymore threads until I can feel assured that some guy, who doesn't even have a picture of his own car, isn't going to turn it into trash.

I think it's time that Masterbaiter is demoted to WasaPFFbaiter.

Since He has voted that you don't have the right to enjoy this thread, it's your turn to cast a vote for him to tell him what you think of this decission that he made for you.

Archie

OT

Archie, I think that yellow F-40 would look way better with a chop top, just an idea. If it for some reason doesn't have a V8, it could use one of those too.

quote Originally posted by Archie: He says he has the right to post to any thread he wants to post to, I think it's time for PFF members to review this thread and see if Masterbaiter has added anything of value to this thread or to any other thread for that matter. Since He has voted that you don't have the right to enjoy this thread, it's your turn to cast a vote for him to tell him what you think of this decission that he made for you. Archie

Vote cast !

What really surprises me is that he does have some plus votes, for what is really unclear, do a search on Mastermind, read his posts, and you'll understand what I mean. He doesn't know jack about a car, to help anyone, and he trys to steer people done a path, that he has very little, if any knowledge of where that path is going to lead them. It appears to me most of his posts have no value other than negativity, he just likes to hear himself talk, pi$$ people off, then he "tries" to be clever explaining his actions, or turning blame around. He's been given numerous warnings by quite a few of us to change his attitude, but that isn't working, so it's time use a little bug killer on this guy.

Just my opinion.

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: ATTENTION WORLD: FORMULA88 LIKES SBCs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/] Fine. The SBC rocks. You love them. Guess what? The typical 4.9 fan doesn't give a RAT'S ARSE!! Now STFU already! Maybe if you took the time to read the entire thread instead of glancing at a few post then cheerleading for the SBC you would know.

All very nice, except this thread is about SBC swaps. Or had you failed to notice that? If so, Archie posted some lovely pictures for your edification.

Now, if you want people to respect your threads, I ask you do the same.

quote Originally posted by Archie: Well everyone, this thread is over. That's a shame too, because I had about 80 more pictures to show you, We could'a had a lot of fun with this thread, but Masterbaiter has cast his vote to ruin yet another thread. Archie

I ignore the arguing, it serves no good purpose, we all come here for the same reason we love Fiero's! Don't let it kill this thread, Come on archie we need more pictures.

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quote Originally posted by Archie: Well everyone, this thread is over. Our resident Masterbaiter has decided that the people that were enjoying this thread were having just too much fun. He was getting tired of bumping his own threads up to the top, so he decided to turn this thread into Trash Can material. That's a shame too, because I had about 80 more pictures to show you, We could'a had a lot of fun with this thread, but Masterbaiter has cast his vote to ruin yet another thread. He says he has the right to post to any thread he wants to post to, I think it's time for PFF members to review this thread and see if Masterbaiter has added anything of value to this thread or to any other thread for that matter. I guess next time I should ask for his permission to start a thread. On second thought, I'm not starting anymore threads until I can feel assured that some guy, who doesn't even have a picture of his own car, isn't going to turn it into trash. I think it's time that Masterbaiter is demoted to WasaPFFbaiter. Since He has voted that you don't have the right to enjoy this thread, it's your turn to cast a vote for him to tell him what you think of this decission that he made for you. Archie

I cast my vote to see the other 80 pics and ignore the negitive replys. I was one of the people enjoying the pics and see no reason to kill this great thread.

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-Chris - Custom Gun Metal 86 GT 3.4 5spd
3.4 SOLD & 4.9 being installed

"It's too low, too rough, too loud, drinks gas, it's totally impractical, but damn good lookin. In other words, It's almost perfect!"
Build up tread or MODS w/ Pics

Me too, Come on Archie, give us some more medication!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Archie... PLEASE.....keep the pics coming. We've been good patients (well, most of us) and we need our meds.

The V-8 Fiero......the cure for the common ricer.

You know that I enjoyed the pics,--------------right Archie?
I have a SBC and I am proud of it.
I have a SBC, there I said it again.

Hey,
here is a little video for ya contains the pictures from this thread, and a little subliminal message

http://www.milehighfieros.com/video/ArchCure.wmv

(~3MB)

-Darius

It's really, really sad when "new guys" like me who love to see various ideas are now cut-off from viewing good pics, especially Caleefornians (smog reps). So Please, if you don't like what you see......PM the guy (I'm sure he/she will respond) or stay-off other people (s) threads that "they" started. If the person "asked" for constructive comments then give it, but this thread was "mainly" for general viewing pleasure.

So come on Archie, "on with the show." You got me stated looking at Pennock's so don't give up on me now, hehehe.

Oh yeah, I have a N* but I like seeing all engine types....I don't care!

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Unltd1--------------3min 12sec of pure pleasure.
Thankyou for including my LT1.

mastermind, are you allergic to sbc's? Seems every thread Archie posts in your in there cutting him down and sbc's. The negative ratings on your bar keep growing, if you keep it up you will be kicked off the forum so why do you keep doing it?? You don't provide any useful information, you've turned yourself into a troll. Go start your own thread so that we can look at Archie's pictures.

btw, I've had a 4.9, sold it, had a LT1, sold it. I'm working on a 3.4dohc so I guess I'm neutral.

Archie,
Any chance of that GT4T kit becoming as easy and as affordable as the Fino and Finale kits?
Matt

Bump

Several people have asked me questions in this thread.

Since this thread has been highjacked and killed by Mastermind, I will answer your questions via PM.

The content of my picture posts have been removed because Mastermind has determined that you do not have the right to enjoy it in peace. If you have a problem with that take it up with Mastermind. Several people want this thread to continue, but I don't see how that can happen considering how it has been trashed by Mastermind.

Mastermind: Looks like you have 11 more votes than you had at this time last night...... See 'Ya, I'd much rather See 'ya than Be 'Ya

Archie

It occurred to me that possibly Mastermind and "banned greg" just might be the same guy, they both claim the Chicago area, neither has proved they even own a Fiero, nobody here has ever met them, neither contributed positively to the Forum, and probably a few things else I'm missing. Does Chicago breed these type of people ?

(no offense to other Chicago Members)

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quote Originally posted by Archie: Several people have asked me questions in this thread. Since this thread has been highjacked and killed by Mastermind, I will answer your questions via PM. The content of my picture posts have been removed because Mastermind has determined that you do not have the right to enjoy it in peace. If you have a problem with that take it up with Mastermind. Several people want this thread to continue, but I don't see how that can happen considering how it has been trashed by Mastermind. Mastermind: Looks like you have 11 more votes than you had at this time last night...... See 'Ya, I'd much rather See 'ya than Be 'Ya Archie

I see... Mastermind GROW UP

Hey Archie I love SBC fiero's as much today as i did when i first found your website . Please don't let one bad apple ruin veiwing pleasure of this (and other i might add) avid SBC FIERO FANATIC. I get goosebumps from these pics and they help keep me motivated to complete my v8 swap . If the MASTER(of the)MIND(less) comes back let the rating system take care of him.

quote Originally posted by California Kid: It occurred to me that possibly Mastermind and "banned greg" just might be the same guy, they both claim the Chicago area, neither has proved they even own a Fiero, nobody here has ever met them, neither contributed positively to the Forum, and probably a few things else I'm missing. Does Chicago breed these type of people ?

Chicago doesn't breed them on purpose. But there are a few who are destined to be future Darwin Award Winners caused by some unkown force.

quote Originally posted by Archie: Several people have asked me questions in this thread. Since this thread has been highjacked and killed by Mastermind, I will answer your questions via PM. The content of my picture posts have been removed because Mastermind has determined that you do not have the right to enjoy it in peace. If you have a problem with that take it up with Mastermind. Several people want this thread to continue, but I don't see how that can happen considering how it has been trashed by Mastermind. Mastermind: Looks like you have 11 more votes than you had at this time last night...... See 'Ya, I'd much rather See 'ya than Be 'Ya Archie

Do we really need to make a big stink about one guy in one thread? I know on the internet, everyone can't seem to ignore a guy, but fanning the flames is just gonna give him more ammo.

And campaigning for negative votes seems to be a bad part of the entire rating system.

quote Originally posted by Gridlock: And campaigning for negative votes seems to be a bad part of the entire rating system.

Actually, when you've tried everything else, it's the best part of the rating system.

Archie

quote Originally posted by California Kid: It occurred to me that possibly Mastermind and "banned greg" just might be the same guy, they both claim the Chicago area, neither has proved they even own a Fiero, nobody here has ever met them, neither contributed positively to the Forum, and probably a few things else I'm missing. Does Chicago breed these type of people ?

Cali, funny you should say that since I met you at the 20th Ann. in Michigan. I also met Rockcrawl he was kind enough to take me for a ride in his 4.9. I even drove the cars of Scott Perkins, Dan Bunker and of course Ed Parks who did my swap.

Cali, looks like yours and Archie's campaign to get me banned just might work. However, I find it sad that some PFF members are allowing themselves to be manipulated by someone by taking their ball and bat home (Pics) so that others can't see them. If this scheme to ban me succeeds what will it mean to PFF? It will mean that Archie and Cali can silence anyone they strongly disagree with irrespective of who is right.

BTW Anyone questioning whether or not I have a 4.9 your questions will be answered as I WILL be at NIFE's September meeting in Oakbrook, IL

More medicine anyone?

^_^
Tyler

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Down with the V8s!! I much prefer the hearty growl of the 1.3L Yugo motor. Nothing like the power of a motor with less displacement than my 2L of pop.

Dave

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: I much prefer the hearty growl of the 1.3L Yugo motor.

Hey now! You back off. I've seen some meaty Yugos in my days. ...Now, seein' one of those Yugos with a V-8, though...

Edit: So, um, yeah... MORE PICTURES!

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quote Originally posted by West Coast Fiero: hehe - you just got over-DOSED, :)

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Mastermind............Don't remember you, if you're anything like what you represent here on the Forum, I'd certainly remember you !!!

The " Membership " of the Forum can and do silence people if necessary, that's why the system was created, one gets voted off because a large number of people are simply tired of the crap being posted, not because they disagree with someone elses opinion. " You " are bringing the attention to yourself, what Archie or I say has very little to do with that, and guess what ??? Hardly anyone has any respect for what you've contributed to the Forum. What surprises me is you know that and continue to come here and post more crap without respect for someone else's thread. That is totally uncalled for and in my opinion you deserve to get the boot, the " Membership " is sending you a message, if you can't understand the meaning of that, that's your problem.

quote Originally posted by California Kid: Mastermind............Don't remember you, if you're anything like what you represent here on the Forum, I'd certainly remember you !!! The " Membership " of the Forum can and do silence people if necessary, that's why the system was created, one gets voted off because a large number of people are simply tired of the crap being posted, not because they disagree with someone elses opinion. " You " are bringing the attention to yourself, what Archie or I say has very little to do with that, and guess what ??? Hardly anyone has any respect for what you've contributed to the Forum. What surprises me is you know that and continue to come here and post more crap without respect for someone else's thread. That is totally uncalled for and in my opinion you deserve to get the boot, the " Membership " is sending you a message, if you can't understand the meaning of that, that's your problem.

Ok Cali, fair enough. But for those interested in getting a fairer picture of what's going on should do a search of the word FEVER in subject only under the general Fiero chat forum. You will find only two threads. The first is one I started 07-23-2004 entitled "PFF Overcome By 4.9 Fever" then Archie started one 3 days later 07-26-2004 entitled "Cure Found For The Fever" was it a subtle or obvious swipe at me or just a coincidence? I'll let others be the judge. Also in regard to who or what is a contribution to the forum......I don't think one can say that someone is not contributing just because that cannot break a car down and name all its parts. There are various ways to contribute including but not limited to just someone's experience with a given subject, topic or item.

www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin/fiero/search.cgi?words=fever&Find=Search&where=title&scope=General+Fiero+Chat

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: Ok Cali, fair enough. But for those interested in getting a fairer picture of what's going on should do a search of the word FEVER in subject only under the general Fiero chat forum. You will find only two threads. The first is one I started 07-23-2004 entitled "PFF Overcome By 4.9 Fever" then Archie started one 3 days later 07-26-2004 entitled "Cure Found For The Fever" was it a subtle or obvious swipe at me or just a coincidence? I'll let others be the judge. Also in regard to who or what is a contribution to the forum......I don't think one can say that someone is not contributing just because that cannot break a car down and name all its parts. There are various ways to contribute including but not limited to just someone's experience with a given subject, topic or item.

Oh, what a tragedy that someone should use your thread title as a play-on-words. whatever shall we do?

What's really important to note about those two threads... the one you (mastermind) started does not contain one single post by Archie. Yet this thread, which Archie started - has far too many posts by you... who came here simply to muck up this thread. It doesn't take Archie, Cali Kid, or anyone else to point that out to most of us... you've made your negative intentions known in this post from the 1st page!

We've all seen a number of people get kicked off the forum - but you're doing your best to bring it upon yourself, yet still blame others. You'd have probably avoided quite a number of (-) ratings by simply avoiding this post all together, instead of coming in here trying to campaign for your own reasons.

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