A car is only worth what somebody is willing to pay for it. Sad but true, not to knock anybody over making a custom car but I have seen time and time again, guys and gals who will put heavy coin into a car and expect the full return. Just here in my town, there this guy who has a 1969 camaro, it is a nice car but the body was done poorly (lots of filler) but he still wants 20,000.00 for it. Where did he get that figure from???? Honestly the car is only worth about 6,000.00 cause if you went to restore it it would cost major dollar to redo the body!! Cars are cars and people will only pay for what they want. I hope you sell the cars, I would love to buy one but I got this 86 GT of my own to contend with.

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quote Originally posted by MOBILE: TOM: I agree with you. I own a extremly modified 1986 GT with a SC3800. Did the entire car myself. Nothing is really left stock. I bought the car because I liked the body style. Acually I even changed that a liitle bit. Let's face it, everything else on the car completly sucks. If you want to drive it like a sports car, you need to change just about everything, from the engine to the brakes,wheels,suspension,etc. Most fiero people i've met are cheap. And instead of saving up to buy something, they halfazz it. over and over. I personally would have no way of affording your car, but I wouldn't inquire about it or bash you on the price. I'm very anal about details, so I did the car myself. Anyone can pay $40,000 for a stock vette and probably wont know how to change the oil. I respect the work and TIME it takes to do what you've done. Mine's only been done for a year(still no problems) but I wouldn't think of selling it for under 10,11, maybe 12 grand. People always ask, "Why did you do that to a FIERO?" and I say "What else can you buy that will peform like this for $10,000?" NOTHING!! It will out run and out handle the majority of cars on the road. I know, I do it every day. Everyone who owns a POS fiero thinks they are my best buddy when I meet them. Fiero owners can be great guys, or cheap ones that own a 1984 2m4(no offense) in horrible shape with tons of miles, yet they are still dying to join a fiero club. I thought clubs were for show, or on the way to being show, cars. Not dreamers. By the way, mustang owners aren't much different, it's always the guy with the old 1987 4banger who swears he is dropping a 5.0 in next week for $50, BUT HE ALREADY PUT THE 5.0 EMBLEMS ON THE FENDERS! Or the people who swear they have a 2000 5.0GT even though they haven't used that motor since 1995. Just like you I thought I'd vent a little. Good luck with the car.

I dont like you.

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Ray - rturner@fierosite.com - Fierosite.com - StangSearch.com
1988 Stage 2 Aero Coupe - 1985 Mustang 3.8 Convertable

Yes a re-hash of the "Ed Parks is overpriced" thread with a twist. What other half-way sporty 2 seater car can you by for under $1000 and drive home? Don't think too hard.

Some people are cheap with Fieros because they don't have money. I had a 67 Mustang in high school when $5/hr was a career wage! I had to rebuild the wheel cylinders by hand because I couldn't afford the ones ready to install. I cut so many damn corners I'm surprised that car didn't end up round. Been there done that. Glad I don't have to any more. I try not to knock those that do.

Other people are cheap with Fieros because they choose to be. I bought mine for autocross racing. If you don't count the $100 or so contingencies at the national level for running Brand X tires and so forth, there is no profit in amateur racing so it's a money pit to begin with. At the moment I have about $2k invested in a 87 GT that might get $1.5k on a good day and $1000 in an 88 Formula E-modified race car project that I might be able to get $500 for parts right about now. I went cheap because I will do the work myself and do my upgrades my way on my time. If I wanted a door-slammer to haul out to the car waxing contests, I would have bought one like yours instead of a $33k new truck and a $2k new trailer I bought to haul my "race cars". Some folks give me sh1t about buying a Neiman-Marcus rig to haul my K-Mart cars with, but I just suggest that they need to spend their money on what makes them happy and not be second guessing my decisions. I'm happy with my toys and the truck is my daily driver and nice enough to haul people out to business meetings.

I say get over it. If the market won't bear your price it's up to you whether to sell low or sit on it a while. If you want to circulate exclusively with people that spend large on cars, you need to drop Fieros, forget about Mustangs and Corvettes, just pick out something nice at the Barrett-Jackson show.

quote Originally posted by Nashco: Lastly, you asked, "Do you really like Fieros or are you into them because they are cheap and look cool??" Frankly, I'm offended. Sure I like the Fiero, that's why I bought it! Oh yeah, and I'm also into it because it's cheap. Yup, also like it because it looks cool. You act like a person can only like something for one reason. It's a package deal for me. If cost was no object, NONE of us would have Fieros, we'd all drive a Modena, NSX, Diablo, 911, or Viper. I really think you're venting your anger innapropriately. You act as if not being able to drop 10 grand on a car is a crime. Excuse many of us for not being well off...or not burying ourselves in debt building a car. Personally, it will be a long time before I can even drop one grand into my car without calculating every detail of when and how I'm going to get the money.

Best response yet, especially the first paragraph I quoted. (IMO)

I love the Fiero because it's the best all-around bang for the buck. It handles like it's on rails, its looks somewhat resemble a Ferrari, and it's affordable.

I looked at them when they were new - I loved them then, but couldn't afford them new. I am quite happy that I was able to find two of them at prices I could afford. Or, I should say, I found two of them at different times in a span of 12 years that I could afford at the time I found them. Both events were flukes, as I have never had much luck with money.

Your cars are worth what the buyer is willing to pay - not a penny more. If you invested $15,000 in a car that nobody else will pay more than $5,000 for, then you chose to make a bad investment. Bad investments are made every day in all walks of life. But it's nobody's fault but your own - you made the choice, nobody else. Don't take your anger out on us because we're not able or willing to reimburse you for what you chose to invest your money into.

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Patrick W. Heinske -- LZeitgeist@aol.com
1988 Red Fiero Formula
- 1st Place - Stock Coupe - FOCOSEVA 2000
- 3rd Place - Stock Formula - FOCOA Nat'l 2001
- Class Winner - 1982 to Present - Tarheel Tigers All-Pontiac Show 2001

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I sometimes think that most Fiero owners are cheap, but then I realize they're alot like me. They're the type of people who work hard for their money. They didn't inherit $100,000 from their family. They don't have stock options in large companies. They don't have record contracts. They work their a$$ off to afford the necessities of life but still have a few dollars left over to have some fun.

I realize that you get what you pay for with appearance and performance parts for cars (or anything else). I don't mind spending $3000 for a set of Held brakes, it just takes some people a long time to come up with that much spare cash for their "hobby".

I pretty sure I'll never get my money back if I put $20,000 into my Fiero but I will get the satisfaction of building a car the way I want. To some people thats more important than money.

Everyone has their own interests and reasons for owning the car they do. If you can't sell your car here for what you're asking then auction it off at Barrett-Jackson.

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Yea Tom, you are right. If I take my really nice 62 Vette to the Barrett, I will make much more then the $6500 I paid for it 23 years ago. Of course, if I had invested my $6500 for those 23 years, I would be way ahead of the game. Most of the Barrett cars belong to people with big buck pockets and don't give a hoot if they pay good money and lose out over the years. We Fiero folks, for the most part, just don't have that much to spend on our toys. That's why we buy cheap sports cars and fix them. Kinda like I did in the 70's when the TR's and MG's were popular sports cars. We could afford them. Guess that makes me cheap. By the way, how many of those Barrett folks work on their on stuff? Not many turn the wrench. Did you do your conversions or have them done?
Jim

Tom Corey- Well, I reviewed all the info you posted about your car... and it certainly is a good deal.

But you're running into a few issues here:

1st off, you're definitely "preaching to the choir". Nearly everyone on this board already has a Fiero, and most have a pretty penny invested- no matter the condition or drivability. I spend nearly every extra bit of time/money I have on the car (heck, I just spend the last 3 days straight working on Fiberglass modifications). I have well over $12-13K invested in my Fiero- and I'm well aware that I could never sell it for even $4-5k. That was part of what I "signed up for" when I started my Fiero hobby/obsession.

2nd- As others have mentioned... $8k may seem like pocket change in a world of Hot Rods, Exotics, and Rare Vintage cars which normally start at $15-20k. But the Fiero doesn't really exist in those realms yet- maybe in another 10 years. And for those of use operating in the "future Hot Rod" scene... $8k is a big chunk of change for a car (no matter how show-ready/worthy it is). Especially at one time.

3rd- Time. If you really want to get your asking price for the car (which I don't think should be too much of a hassle)- then just be patient. If you want to speed the process along- list it on Ebay with a solid reserve (if it doesn't sell, relisting is free), or advertise it in your local papers as well as in local hotrod publications. AutoTrader even. Just give it a bit more time.

BTW: The nice Red Archie V8 conversion you referenced (the member who had passed away)- was sold, and for the asking price it was advertised as (info per Archie's post last week on the topic in the mall). It just took a little time for the right person to get it.

So- to answer your question in the terms you seem to be searching for... Yes, Many Fiero Fans are Cheapskates. Or they're just looking to do their own project on their own time! do you feel better now?

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Looking for Fiero posters?

I had a porsche 924 for a while and let me tell ya now that I own a fiero I laugh when I here how much it's going to cost to fix something. I was the same way as a kid with it. I did it myself because I had to. Example: alternator for my 924.... part $350 bucks (rebuilt one by the way) labor: $0 did it myself. couldn't afford to pay the porsche mechanic 65 bucks an hour when I didn'tmake that much money in a day. alternator for my fiero: $65 bucks for rebuilt one. about $50 bucks labor to put it in.
In a nutshell that is why I never cry about fixing my fiero...it's pennies compared to any other 2 seat sports car on the market.

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quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Most of the mods I do are under $100 a pop. I have to save up for most everything. Am I cheap? Na just have house payments and I like to eat. I like working on my car and that’s all that counts. If I ever do want a V8 it would probably take me a year to put it together but I would never buy one already done. If I could afford it I would not appreciate it. I would also drive my investment back out of it.

I agree with you completely, I also have other priorities I put in front of the fiero.. Wife, mortage payments also, car repairs on our daily driver car, food, and if there is anything left over..the fiero gets that.

As far as return investment, 11 years ago I bought my 84SE for 1800 canadian (equals to about $20.32 cents USD ).. I got a lot of driving out of it and plan to get a lot more.. thats my return investment.

(how many people buy a car for $1800,and have the body look as good as the day you bought it 11 years later? lets see some mustang owners say that!)

The car is still in pretty good shape and if I ever sold it, I prob would get a good bit of my money back out of it.. so as far as I'm concerned, they do hold their investment.

OK,

I changed my wording a little........

I will buy the car for the 8k if you will meet me in Jacksonville FL (or somewhere around there) on Thursday the 30th in the morning time around 900am. Its 1200 miles from dallas tx to Melbourne. I can handle the Jacksonville trip better, it saves me 6 hours.

Loyde

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Interesting...

One of my responses here is the same response I voiced in the 4.9 thread:

We're mostly all geeks and gearheads, here.
For many people, there is nothing that can match the sense of accomplishment that is achieved by "doing it yourself." It's an ego thing.
Would I have bought an Ed Parks 4.9 kit? Most probably.
Will I have Ed install a 4.9 for me? Not planning on it.
I'll find a way to do it myself, or do without.

Something else that nobody else seems to have mentioned. Insurance!

Most people want Fieros to drive.
If something happened to a 3800 GT, or a 282-mile Formula, there is no way in hell that the insurance would (or even could) ever pay for a replacement.
I may be incorrect in this last statement. I haven't checked out collector-car insurance. But even so, the rates (and/or restrictions) would likely be prohibitive for the average person.

You have a hell of a nice car. Don't give up on selling it. Someone will buy it.
The same guy who had all the INDY parts for sale sold an 88 GT (with something like 6 miles on it) on this very Forum, for $25,000, in less than a day.

Best.

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Raydar

From the Department of Redundancy Department.

quote Originally posted by firstfiero: Example: alternator for my 924.... part $350 bucks (rebuilt one by the way) labor: $0 did it myself. couldn't afford to pay the porsche mechanic 65 bucks an hour when I didn'tmake that much money in a day.

Cheap is when you scavenge the junkyard for a set of good brushes and a few extra internal regulators to rebuild that sucker yourself I don't know why I know that...

The only ones who could apreciate your car price are the ones who had done a similar conversion themselves. Also Fiero market is a cheap market like others have said. How can I pay $8K for 3.8 Fiero when I can buy a Formula with 200 miles for $10K? Get the point? I knew of a pristine 3.4 88GT that a guy was selling for just $5500! It was for more than 6 months in the market. If you could find that how could you justify paying an asking price of $7k to $8k for a stock 88GT with 20-30000+ miles like I see very often? It is not that I agree with it but it is just like that. You can sell it at a fair price but expect to be in the market for a long time.

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Alex4mulas :-)
N2O! 3.4!

quote Originally posted by FastFieros: OK, I changed my wording a little........ I will buy the car for the 8k if you will meet me in Jacksonville FL (or somewhere around there) on Thursday the 30th in the morning time around 900am. Its 1200 miles from dallas tx to Melbourne. I can handle the Jacksonville trip better, it saves me 6 hours. Loyde [This message has been edited by FastFieros (edited 05-28-2002).]

Hey Lloyde,

Let me know if you get it. I will drive to Dallas to check it out!

Edited to add this:
Where are these cars being sold? I have never seen them! Pics, specs... Anyone know? Maybe the problem is that nobody knows they are for sale!!

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AOL IM: GTFiero86Dan
'86 GT 4 speed
'87 GT Auto

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Well, so far I have emailed and left a voice mail for Tom to call or something, and no response. Maybe we can work this out by tonight.

Loyde

quote Originally posted by MOBILE: I thought clubs were for show, or on the way to being show, cars. Not dreamers.

Funny, it was this exact attitude that made me stop attending my local club events.

Oh, BTW, this isn't because I am "cheap." I just don't need pompous jackasses telling me that I should "park down the street a bit" because my unfinished car is "giving Fieros a bad name."

Morons...

Oh, and with respect to the original post - the car's worth the money. End of story.

Hartz

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'84 SC 5.7L V8
'85 SE 3.1L V6 Turbo
Hartz's Toys

I got your voice mail. I will think about the logistics and give you a call later tonight.

quote Originally posted by FastFieros: Well, so far I have emailed and left a voice mail for Tom to call or something, and no response. Maybe we can work this out by tonight. Loyde

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Tom Corey
87 Green TTop GT 5Spd V8
88 White GT 3800 4T60E
88 Yellow TTop GT Stock

Wow...
I see everyone agrees that it just takes time to find that "motivated" buyer. No different from any other specialty market.
As far as Fiero owners being cheap, let's do the litany together...
"Two seat midship engine fuel injection 4 wheel disk brake independent suspension AMERICAN car"
Citation/Cavalier guts (they made millions of THOSE...) means it's cheap to fix if you wrench it yourself.
Huge aftermarket, reasonably priced...usually run by fellow Fiero enthusiasts.
Reminds me, as said above, of the '60s British sports car market (heck, I owned 13 Triumphs over the years... :eek . Have you priced those lately?
I've found most Fieroists to be into the car and not the trappings that go with most other marques (i.e. Corvettes, Porsches etc.).
I do all the work myself on my Fieros, both for economy and the zen pleasure of being able to practice my cursing and tool throwing abilities
Tom, your 3800 is sweet. Please don't forget why you built it in the first place... even as the dogs of mediocrity nip at your heels...

BobC

its really simple. its my money and ill do what i like with it. calling someone a 'cheapskate' is really just an attempt to spend someone else's money. you spend your money any way you want to and ill keep my opinions of your choises to myself

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Im the original owner of a white 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983. "It is better to remain quiet and have people think you are a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt" - Abe Lincoln

I will say it again a car is not an investment. The people that sell there cars on Barrett Jackson most of the time do not get their money back and they take a lost. Remember most of those cars are one of a kind and the parts are very hard to find. I'm big into muscle cars and very old cars. My always watching speedvision now just Speed channel. Remember $6500 23 years ago is about $35,000 to $45,000 today. So does the person that bought the Corvette 23 years really make any money?

I thought this hobby was supposed to be fun, sometimes it can be a pain in the butt,
but isn't everything? I wouldn't pay 8k for a finished car, doing the work yourself is
the fun. I invested about 9k into my 86se restoration, why? so I have a nice car that
works great, girl from worked asked me how
much I could get from it, told her barely 4k IF I was lucky, point is... I didn't do it to make money or get back my money, I did it for fun.

btw, comments like that, which were made to klish will throw this thread into the trash can.

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84se Silver 2m4 - Daily Driver
86se Silver 2m6 - Restoration COMPLETE!
87GT Burgandy - Fall Project

I like Fieros.

I just bought a V8 Fiero off eBay a couple weeks ago.

I'm a cheapskate. Or at least I look that way, since I can't just go out and plunk down $8000 for a car. I'd have to get a bank loan.

How did I afford it? I sold (am selling) on eBay my 10th Anniversary TransAm. I bought it new. I've had it 21 years. It outlasted at least 10 houses, two cats, two wives and various other chattels and encumbrances. It's part of me.

It's also not as fun to drive as a Fiero. It's special, so I don't want to stack mileage on it. I don't want to break something. I don't want door dings.

So - where does it go? It SITS under it's car cover 11 months out of the year. I can't even LOOK at it most of the time.

My Fieros? I drive the HELL out of them! I drove the new V8 nearly 3000 miles home. I can jump in and drive one of them ANY TIME I WANT TO.

Can you do THAT with a "Barret-Jackson" car? 3000 miles (or two trips to Safeway) will drop the price of that $45,000 car - a bit - like maybe 40%?

Besides - I have three Fieros - I could only afford ONE Corvette.

And I'd STILL be scared crapless to drive it to Safeway!

Vic

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'86 GT on the road for the summer!
'85 SC running smooooth.
'86 Gold SE V8 - how do YOU spell power!

Hey Tom!
You are way off base to call us cheepskates here...
Many of us do own more than one Fiero, and like doing the mods ourselves...

You have a turn key Fiero that may be worth every penny of $8000, or MORE!
But only .01% of the members of this board are going to be interested in such a car...

However, 99.99% will be willing to "invest" $8000 and MORE into the Fiero they already own...

I have 4 Fieros at the moment, 2 of which I spend time and money on...
The other 2 I have been using for parts...
The only reason I do mods are for the satisfaction I get when they are complete...

If I were to see your car and you, I would compliment you on your investment!
As I would expect most people to do...

But to turn around and call the general Fiero population cheepskates...
Take your ride down the road, I don't like your attitude...

I'm not cheap. I'm poor. I live off of less than 20K a year. Of course, I'm still in school and my parents give me (some) money. I love my car and I love Fieros. i wanted one when I first saw them come out...well, more or less. I was 2 in '84, but I remember seeing them on the road in later years and thought they were like, so fly. i still do. And i like to work on my car, and I like to drive it. It's my daily driver (until further notice) and it needs repairs often enough...it's hard to call a Fiero owner cheap!

quote Originally posted by Tom Corey: I'm trying to find out what the market is for really good Fieros. My concern is that there may not be one!!

There is a market for high end fiero's. But the buyers are hard to find. It takes time, and most of the time you lose money when you sell it. I do not have the talent or skills needed to build the kind of cars I like so I look for one that someone else has done, and has grown tired of.
I have always loved the look of the GBCT, and was planning on making my own {well having Archie do it} I had the car , had the wheels, had the money to start the project, but it was going to cost me more than I was able to buy the GBCT for.
Your car sounds like a great deal for someone, next time ask for the $18,000 you have in it.......and let someone talk you down to $10,000 you will sell it faster.

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speaking just for myself, heck yes, we're cheap. we love the little plastic cars, so we're crazy, too.

why else would anyone buy a $150 car and a $500 car and try to make 1 good car out of them? i've never even driven a fiero, and i own 2.

i'm sure not going to spend a bunch of money on this, ive got bills to pay and other hobbies, too, and guess what, i work for a living.

im sure your car is worth every penny, and eventually you'll find a buyer.

pity the fool!

quote Originally posted by DL10: There is a market for high end fiero's. But the buyers are hard to find. It takes time, and most of the time you lose money when you sell it. I do not have the talent or skills needed to build the kind of cars I like so I look for one that someone else has done, and has grown tired of. I have always loved the look of the GBCT, and was planning on making my own {well having Archie do it} I had the car , had the wheels, had the money to start the project, but it was going to cost me more than I was able to buy the GBCT for. Your car sounds like a great deal for someone, next time ask for the $18,000 you have in it.......and let someone talk you down to $10,000 you will sell it faster.

Just another example of how Fiero's are only a good investment to the modifier...

Bryan Wilkinson (lunapark) built the IASCA show Fiero on an 86 GT. Invested about $35k on the engine and custom interior and body work. Bought a 87 GT, later and redid the interior in leather and invested $16k in it. After the 3.4, he wanted a more powerful Fiero. He bought an 88 GT, and invested another $35k and had the sweetest 300 hp Fiero GT that I've seen. Each Fiero gave him some heartache, but bliss once it was finished. He decided that he wanted more power, and the Fiero wouldn't be able to take the +600hp range, so he regretfully bought a v8 Transam that has the bolt ons to get him there. His N*, 87 GT 3.4, and his 86 GT that he parted out have all been sold for a large net loss, but he loves what he has now and lucky enough to have a great job.

The car is only worth what the buyer's interest in keeping it vs. the highest buyer offer. When the owner losses enough interest, it will eventually meet the buyer's high bid, and SALE!

I plan to keep my Fiero forever. It's when you change your mind on what you want, that's where you get bit! Kind'a like changing majors in college when you are so close to graduating.

The show car factor plays in for me too. I don't take much pleasure it buying a complete trophy winner and have everyone ask questions about it to answer, "I'm not sure... I bought it like that". The thing I have noticed it that Fiero people LOVE to boast about what THEY have done, not what THEY have bought.

Just my opinion,
Greg

quote Originally posted by FieroGTguy: I don't take much pleasure it buying a complete trophy winner and have everyone ask questions about it to answer, "I'm not sure... I bought it like that". The thing I have noticed it that Fiero people LOVE to boast about what THEY have done, not what THEY have bought.

YES!! There's definite signature file material in there... excellent observation.

The car has been sold.

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Tom Corey
87 Green TTop GT 5Spd V8
88 White GT 3800 4T60E
88 Yellow TTop GT Stock

There is a difference in being cheap and being poor. It would take me 5 years to save up enough money to buy that car. You can't spend something you don't have. Plain and simple. I like the car because for many reasons, nust JUST because it's cheap.

quote Originally posted by MOBILE: Everyone who owns a POS fiero thinks they are my best buddy when I meet them. Fiero owners can be great guys, or cheap ones that own a 1984 2m4(no offense) in horrible shape with tons of miles, yet they are still dying to join a fiero club. I thought clubs were for show, or on the way to being show, cars. Not dreamers.

Clubs are for people who enjoy the cars. Show my a bylaw that says members cars must be show condition. I'm the PR Director for NEFA, should I be dismissed from the BOD and the club because I don't have the money right now to fix up my car to show condition? Grow up.

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YES~! Out of approximately 5,000 people on this board, I'll be generous and guess that there are maybe 50 that are both willing and able to spend the kind of money on our cars that they deserve.

Frankly I don't get it, a Fiero plus ten grand and a little ingenuity is competitive with a 308 Ferrari.

What bothers me is the closed-mindedness on this fourm. If I mention *anything* over about $500bux, two thirds of the posts are going to be "why does it cooooost so much?!"

I'm 21 years old, own my own buisness, and two Fieros. I'm glad they were cheap to pick up, it let me spend the money on other things. Like the silver car's chassis development and N*. Hell,. I didn't even count the price of the car it's so low ($2250 for silver)

But sometimes I wish stock Fieros went for $15k+ just to keep the losers who don't even know english, let alone actually have a job, and maintain their car in the fashion it deserves away. Harsh, but true.

Best!
Ben.

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Ben Cannon
88 Formula, T-top, Metalic Red. (2:13.138 at Sears Point) "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives"
88 Formula, Northstar, Silver, In-Progreess. -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"

quote Originally posted by Jaygee79: [B]There is a difference in being cheap and being poor. It would take me 5 years to save up enough money to buy that car. You can't spend something you don't have. Plain and simple. I like the car because for many reasons, nust JUST because it's cheap. Clubs are for people who enjoy the cars. Show my a bylaw that says members cars must be show condition. I'm the PR Director for NEFA, should I be dismissed from the BOD and the club because I don't have the money right now to fix up my car to show condition? Grow up. B]

I agree with you Jaycee completely!

Mobile, please let me know what clubs you belong to so I can be sure of avoiding that club.

I bought my car to DRIVE! I love fieros, I love the look of them, But its a CAR.. meant to be driven. I take mine up dusty roads, I would drive it through a mud puddle if I knew it wouldnt sink , I drove mine on a beach before and didnt give a flying f**k if the salt and sand bothered it. I drove mine in the winter before.. do you know why? because its only a car, a car I bought to drive, and its mine.

If I ever joined a club, it would be a club of owners that LOVED to DRIVE the cars, not ones sitting around with their noses up in the air at people who DROVE their cars or "hope" to own a fiero someday.

My car has over 100,000 miles on it, and the engine bay looks like sh*t, but I dont care at all.

"or cheap ones that own a 1984 2m4(no offense)"
and yes it is a 84 , and offense taken.

In your books, anyone that actually DRIVES their fiero as a daily driver, owns a 84 2m4, or hopes to buy one someday when they can afford it are loosers?

well, I think that counts 99% of the forum including me!!

quote Originally posted by Tom Corey: The car has been sold.

Cool.

Ya' see? Just took the right person.

quote Originally posted by artherd: YES~! Out of approximately 5,000 people on this board, I'll be generous and guess that there are maybe 50 that are both willing and able to spend the kind of money on our cars that they deserve. Frankly I don't get it, a Fiero plus ten grand and a little ingenuity is competitive with a 308 Ferrari. What bothers me is the closed-mindedness on this fourm. If I mention *anything* over about $500bux, two thirds of the posts are going to be "why does it cooooost so much?!" I'm 21 years old, own my own buisness, and two Fieros. I'm glad they were cheap to pick up, it let me spend the money on other things. Like the silver car's chassis development and N*. Hell,. I didn't even count the price of the car it's so low ($2250 for silver) But sometimes I wish stock Fieros went for $15k+ just to keep the losers who don't even know english, let alone actually have a job, and maintain their car in the fashion it deserves away. Harsh, but true. Best! Ben.

WTF kind of a bullshit statement was that!? I didn't buy my car so I could throw $10 grand in it and say it can compete with a f***ing ferarri! I bought it cuz I liked the styling and it was cheap. I've already thrown quite a bit (to me anyway) of money into my SE. If I had $10,000 to start with, I know for sure I wouldn't even have a Fiero. I'm actually glad I didn't have a lot to spend, because I really like this car now.
You know, not everyone has money to blow on a car like you do. And that doesn't mean that we're not worthy enough to own this little car. Nobody said you had to make your Fiero a high-performance car.
Look at your close-mindedness. You think everyone should spend big money on their Fiero because it 'deserves' it. Obviously, you think most members are losers and shouldn't even own a Fiero.
I like my car, and that's that. I can own it and do whatever the hell I want to with it! And you can't do a damn thing about it!

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-Adam
sqoach@yahoo.com

86 SE V6 - daily driver

quote Originally posted by artherd: But sometimes I wish stock Fieros went for $15k+ just to keep the losers who don't even know english, let alone actually have a job, and maintain their car in the fashion it deserves away. Harsh, but true. Best! Ben.

since when did the fiero become a "exotic" sports car that u need to put 10k into it to be "worthy of ben"?

WTF is your guys probs?

I bought my car as a daily driver 11 years ago.

Maybe others on here have higher priorites then dropping 10k into a 16 year old car????

artherd: That was a pretty stupid comment.. THe guy who can't even speak english. What the **** are you talking about? It takes 10 grand plus a Fiero to make it compete with a 308? Wow. I could drop 10 grand into a Tercel and make it compete with a 308. I could also drop 2 grand into a 5.0 and make it compete. I don't see what your getting at.

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What bothers me is the closed-mindedness on this fourm. If I mention *anything* over about $500bux, two thirds of the posts are going to be "why does it cooooost so much?!"

But sometimes I wish stock Fieros went for $15k+ just to keep the losers who don't even know english, let alone actually have a job, and maintain their car in the fashion it deserves away. Harsh, but true.

Best!
Ben. **************

Sorry new to this quote thing

Wow! This will make a fella think twice about posting on here. I have my own business and can afford to buy things I want just because I can. I suppose this means I shouldve paid $15,000 for my car instead of the $2300 I paid. I picked the Fiero because I had one when I was younger and licked it alot. I also picked it because I am willing to learn how to fix my own stuff. Sure I choose to not spend a fortune on my car so I guess this makes me and half the forum users LOSERS.
As for this forum I use it to learn from others by there accomplishments and there mistakes. I have had very good luck and been treated well from the members here. Just makes you sick when some a**hole has to make stupid comments like the above. Just my 2 cents.
Thank you for your time.

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Nights_Web, I am very sorry that I am a sorry loser who doesn't have a job(I can speak english) and can't afford to keep up my fiero like it deserves. I'm a bad American and a bad person all around arn't I? Well I guess I'll just kill myself now since I know this. Bye!

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Ray - rturner@fierosite.com - Fierosite.com - StangSearch.com
1988 Stage 2 Aero Coupe - 1985 Mustang 3.8 Convertable

quote Originally posted by nights_web: *********** I was younger and licked it alot.

OK I liked it alot not LICKED it alot