So, very, hard, to, stay out of, thread!

I don't condone street racing.

Now that that is done with, you SMOKED a bike?


Edit: Page ownage. How ironic?!

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You clutch is slipping because there's alot more force required to turn the wheels @ 140mph vs 70mph thanks to wind resistence.

I've also been 140+ in my Fieros. I think having a front hood vent helps with the front-end stability alot. For the rear, having the spoiler is key there.

This is a stupid and ignorant thread. These kind of people are so rare because most of the geniuses who try this are dead or in jail for running into someone else.

quote Originally posted by jreigner: This is a stupid and ignorant thread. These kind of people are so rare because most of the geniuses who try this are dead or in jail for running into someone else.

I don't usually comment on threads like this but I have to agree. Idiots who do 140mph on the street, and, yes, they are idiots (I'm being kind here) give the rest of us who like to build and modify our cars a bad name. It would be bad enough if you or your biker friend gets killed, why involve innocent people on the road? So you can go 140? Big F$%^ing deal.

quote Originally posted by lou_dias: You clutch is slipping because there's alot more force required to turn the wheels @ 140mph vs 70mph thanks to wind resistence. I've also been 140+ in my Fieros. I think having a front hood vent helps with the front-end stability alot. For the rear, having the spoiler is key there.

irrelevant, the engine is making the same power at 70 as 140 the car is not accelerating as fast because of wind resistance.

I had a pretty fast CBR 600 RR and got trounced by a few Mustangs so I believe a turbo 3800 in a Fiero would do pretty good against one. Once I got my 14 though, it was a whole nother story...



I miss it, but will be getting a Busa next year.

A car's aerodynamic stability is proportional to a high (like 4) power of the pitch angle. Thus a tiny increase in ride height at the front due to the lift from the hood turns the entire underbody into a lifting surface.

The way to combat this is by setting the chassis up with a rake. This means making sure that the static ride height is lower in the front than the rear. This is *aerodynamic* ride height, which means measured from the pavement to the bottom of the chin spoiler/air dam/side skirts, etc. The flat underbody of the car should be lower at its leading edge than trailing edge.

A hood vent helps underhood pressure, but hurts daily drivability by flowing hot radiator air to the cowl intake for the A/C, and completely ruining A/C efficiency.

I've driven a stock ride height Fiero to 150 (Northstar power... 5000 RPM in 5th gear and had more pull) and the front end felt *VERY* light. It was starting to wander across the lane a little bit.

I have been to 160 with my car. Lowered ~1.5" all around and headlight doors taped down.

Just remove the head light doors would be the best bet. That would let the high pressure out.

96-130 mph in 4 seconds equals an acceleration rate of .4g. That will never happen in a Fiero, even with all the electric turbocharger (defroster fans) sold on ebay combined feeding a v8. Better get higher boots, the crap is really getting deep.

Driving with a popped hood, public highway, admitting the rider has no skills by being afraid of doing a wheelie, but he still wants to go 150, 176 mph in 5th (overdrive). This is the funniest (and saddest) thread I have seen in a while. Pure ignorance is entertaining. Oh Darwin, get ready.

so let me get this right You say to be in 4th gear and doing 140mph right??? well i belive you would be having a connecting rod in your hand or your extremely lucky that it didnt blow up and catch on fire. " I was at about 6200 rpm which comes out to ~140mph" i think you may need to check your calculations 6000rpm in 4th gear is maybe 100mph not 140.. but as you said in your first post were talking about a stock aero?? "Have any of you been over 150 in a stock areo fiero? " and the torque of the engine from 70 mph to 140 is different and has nothing to do with wind resistance. because if what your saying is true then my engine would have the same torque at idle AND at 5000 rpm right??? WRONG!! each engine has its "POWER BAND" even brand new cars made on the same day are different. Your cluch is crap.... if its slipping at high speeds.... its slippin at low speeds where torque is greater!! yeah i belive common sense is out the window here nothin but a load of exageration. Good luck to you and your ignorance.. just pm me with funeral details i might come at a very high rate of speed. GOOD LUCK TO YOU!!!

quote Originally posted by hobodude34: so let me get this right You say to be in 4th gear and doing 140mph right??? well i belive you would be having a connecting rod in your hand or your extremely lucky that it didnt blow up and catch on fire. " I was at about 6200 rpm which comes out to ~140mph" i think you may need to check your calculations 6000rpm in 4th gear is maybe 100mph not 140...

May want to check your numbers there dude... at 6200 RPM 3.61 FDR:

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1 3.50  37.25 MPH 
2 2.05  63.58 MPH 
3 1.38  94.48 MPH 
4 0.94 138.80 MPH 
5 0.72 181.67 MPH

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quote but as you said in your first post were talking about a stock aero?? "Have any of you been over 150 in a stock areo fiero? " and the torque of the engine from 70 mph to 140 is different and has nothing to do with wind resistance. because if what your saying is true then my engine would have the same torque at idle AND at 5000 rpm right??? WRONG!! each engine has its "POWER BAND" even brand new cars made on the same day are different.

No idea how you came up with any of that... he is incorrect as the power applied to the road is different due to gear ratios being used at 70 and 140 MPH, so it isn't putting down the same power, but the engine does make the same power at the crank at a given RPM regardless of gear or speed. Your argument about idle and 5000RPM doesn't make any sense against what was stated by the OP, and leads me to believe that you drive a Duke...

quote Your cluch is crap.... if its slipping at high speeds.... its slippin at low speeds where torque is greater!! yeah i belive common sense is out the window here nothin but a load of exageration. Good luck to you and your ignorance.. just pm me with funeral details i might come at a very high rate of speed. GOOD LUCK TO YOU!!!

Ummm... you may want to check that again. Once again due to gear ratios, a clutch is less likely to slip in a lower gear because of the mechanical advantage that the engine has on turning the wheels... in fourth gear, the engine puts a lot more force against the mating surface of the clutch because its mechanical advantage is reduced but it still makes the same power. This is also why its harder to spin the wheels in a higher gear. Its like riding a bicycle, how much constant tension can you put on the chain in first gear? Now think about how much you can apply in 10th (18th or 21st, if you're fancy ) This is also why weak automatics tend to fail in OD on long uphill grades in the mountains... more power is being applied to the internals of the tranny in 4th than in 1st.

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quote Originally posted by hobodude34: so let me get this right You say to be in 4th gear and doing 140mph right??? well i belive you would be having a connecting rod in your hand or your extremely lucky that it didnt blow up and catch on fire........" yeah i belive common sense is out the window here nothin but a load of exageration. Good luck to you and your ignorance.. just pm me with funeral details i might come at a very high rate of speed. GOOD LUCK TO YOU!!!

posting ignorance seems to be your forte....did you read this WHOLE thread first....HE HAS A TURBO 3800 IN THIS FIERO... the "aero" is in reference to the body style. if my V6 can go 106 mph, i would think 100 or more horses would be more that enough, in my opinion. not too mention the rest of the posters that have seen this car in action. go check his signature. you think you have all the numbers but your words are WRONG. good luck in "YOUR" ignorance....sorry i just woke up, appearently on the wrong side of this thread....i need a cup of coffee.

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Im not a motorcycle person in any way. With the power to weight ratio, I really dont see any street car capable of beating a bike in a drag race. My modified and turboed Fiero kitcar would top 150 (given enough time) and Ill guess any crotch rocket would blow me away in pickup.

I can't answer the question about aerodynamics not having tested them at high speeds. I expect that the Fiero would be very stable if lowered in the front or with the addition of a chin spoiler at 160mph plus. The Fiero Face cars of the mid 80's had top speeds of 161mph and they seemed to stick to the ground very well.

But as for the "my stock Fiero can go 130+" crap. It can't

Don't give me the theory stuff, it is all about horsepower. Example, the Bugatti Veyron can reach 160mph with 280hp, it needs the other 721hp to go 90mph faster. The Fiero in stock trim is maxed out at 123mph. 125 with a good tailwind.

I am guessing you haters are just jealous?

i have not gone faster than 100 mph. stock v-6 1987. 110 mph on my 1996 kaw. vulcan classic and that was it. be safe because if you donot you pay for it later. your life is not cheep. please donot be a organ donor. oh and if you get caught you mite be racing a bike, the peddal kind.

quote Originally posted by Justinbart: Stock aero = stock aerodynamics, sorry if there was confusion. All the info is in my sig, and it should be faster now as my clutch has stopped slipping.

i don't know how you and other guys drive a stage 5 clutch on the street.. it is the most unstreetable clutch i have ever driven. it sucks. stage 3+= MUCH more streetable with about the same holding power

The stage 3+ does NOT have the holding power for the power he is making. 150mph is easy. Both our cars hit just about 130mph in the 1/4mi, its doesn't take much more to get to 150mph. (And I have a bumper pad 84 )

quote Originally posted by TONY_C: I don't usually comment on threads like this but I have to agree. Idiots who do 140mph on the street, and, yes, they are idiots (I'm being kind here) give the rest of us who like to build and modify our cars a bad name. It would be bad enough if you or your biker friend gets killed, why involve innocent people on the road? So you can go 140? Big F$%^ing deal.

Couldn't agree more. risking your life, thats all fine and good but when you start to endanger others that is when it becomes wrong. You are wrong for doing that stuff on a public road with other people around. I remember a few years ago two idiots were racing and the one guy lost control his girlfriend and him were killed the police actually arrested the other guy who was racing him saying that he was guilty of something. Now I personally don't think he should go to jail for that but imagine how he feels he lost his friend imagine living with that the rest of your life, if you can still race like a fool after thinking about that long and hard I dunno what to tell ya.

quote Originally posted by jreigner: This is a stupid and ignorant thread. These kind of people are so rare because most of the geniuses who try this are dead or in jail for running into someone else.

dude... chill. 150 mph is routine on the autobahn, and the accident rate is MUCH lower than in america...

slow drivers stay to the right!

I absolutely know the 3+ wouldn't hold. I have a 3+ with their superclamp pressure plate and it SLIPS. I paid something around $600+ for this setup and I should have just gone with the stage5. The 3+ is a lot more streetable than the stage3 I used to run, but it does not hold when I turn the boost up.

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I know the difference between good roads and the roads in the US since I am stationed in Germany. I would NEVER try to drive 150+ on the street in the US not a sane decision in my book. On a drag strip yes, on the Autobahn yes, On a US highway never here are some reasons. #1 the Autobahn is better maintained and the thickness of the road base is deeper in other words less warping due to temp changes. #2 the reason that there are fewer accidents on the Autobahn is that in Germany driving is a privilege that you have to pay for. #3 If you are inadequate at driving your driving instructor will not sign off on you getting a license. #4 on the Autobahn the left lane is for passing only if you are in the left lane and there is no traffic around you bam! You got a ticket. So in other words drivers on the Autobahn get more training has laws that are better enforced and have a more suitable road system that supports people who drive 130+ MPH.

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quote Originally posted by stickpony: dude... chill. 150 mph is routine on the autobahn, and the accident rate is MUCH lower than in america... slow drivers stay to the right!

HOW ABOUT we get this right. This thread is about a hypothetical question posed about realistic stupidity. Apparently I am wrong, the rarity of these geniuses is actually as low as I thought. How about the original poster stfu and post some actual video truth and fact instead of baiting posters into this thread for days and days. Lets be done with this already.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I am guessing you haters are just jealous?

Jealous of what? Idiotic street racing is nothing to be jealous of. If all I cared to do was go fast, I'd be at the strip doing it in a car built to handle it. And I wouldn't be trying to break 150mph with it. I'd be going a lot faster, in a lot shorter distance.

Or I would be trying to go a lot further, very quickly. But quantum physics is definitely way beyond the comprehension of this thread.

quote Originally posted by dobey: Jealous of what? Idiotic street racing is nothing to be jealous of. If all I cared to do was go fast, I'd be at the strip doing it in a car built to handle it. And I wouldn't be trying to break 150mph with it. I'd be going a lot faster, in a lot shorter distance. Or I would be trying to go a lot further, very quickly. But quantum physics is definitely way beyond the comprehension of this thread.

Actually, idiotic would be people that think that they can change the way other people think and act by being condescending and elitest on the Internet...

And Darkhorizon... I don't know anyone who is jealous of you...

quote Originally posted by jreigner: HOW ABOUT we get this right. This thread is about a hypothetical question posed about realistic stupidity. Apparently I am wrong, the rarity of these geniuses is actually as low as I thought. How about the original poster stfu and post some actual video truth and fact instead of baiting posters into this thread for days and days. Lets be done with this already.

LOL... when IS this race supposed to happen or have happened?

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You haters and jealous elitists need a poke.

And here it is--GO Dave!
Show these cradle-to-grave safety freaks how it's done!
http://www.youtube.com/watc...wAU0&feature=related
Amazing how the perception and acceptance of risk varies around the world.

the race already happened.

quote Originally posted by Black Lotus: You haters and jealous elitists need a poke. And here it is--GO Dave! Show these cradle-to-grave safety freaks how it's done! http://www.youtube.com/watc...wAU0&feature=related Amazing how the perception and acceptance of risk varies around the world.

That guy is just plain lucky one of those traffic cars didnt suddenly decide to change lanes.. Cause it would have been all over..

People changing lanes?
I hear you.
I was there..
Apparently the drivers in Thailand check their mirrors a lot. These guys have never had an accident because of that.
Whenever they have an "event" the police are instructed NOT to interfere. So it's "legal".
Shell oil was the primary sponser (!) It was made into a Thai TV special(!!).
Scared the $hit out of me at first. Then I kinda got used to it. Never did like it.
Don't want to do it again either.
This ruckus about a 150 MPH sprint in a Fiero is so trivial, it's comical.
Part of enjoying life is taking risks.

quote Originally posted by Black Lotus: Part of enjoying life is taking risks.

Every moment of every day is a risk. You're not the only person on the planet, on the roads, or in the skies. People can check their mirrors all they like, but if they're not used to people flying by at twice their speed, they aren't going to be able to judge the distance well, and see a car fairly far behind, change lanes, and a half second later; boom.

There's a big difference between taking risks, and flat out disregard for everyone else around you. Losing your license for a month isn't the only risk you're taking.

Would you stand in a batting cage, to be hit by the rocks someone is dumping in the pitching machine? It's basically slightly less painful than if someone was hit by a sharp stone in the road, thrown off the ground by your car, as you passed at 150mph. Though in the latter case, you would be guilty of vehicular manslaughter. How's 30 years in a small concrete box sound? Have kids? Ever want to hug them again?

If you want to take such risks, then at least get your ass on the track, and take the risk with people who signed up to take the same risk. Can't afford to do it? Quit bitching and work harder and smarter, so you can. And if you and your friends want to kill yourselves, at least go play Russian Roulette in private; since you're so 'bored' at 2 am, and for some reason can't get laid, get to sleep, or waste your time playing Call of Duty with whiny 8 year olds in some other country.

quote Originally posted by jreigner: HOW ABOUT we get this right. This thread is about a hypothetical question posed about realistic stupidity. Apparently I am wrong, the rarity of these geniuses is actually as low as I thought. How about the original poster stfu and post some actual video truth and fact instead of baiting posters into this thread for days and days. Lets be done with this already.

i think if you go to the OP's first post on page one and hit THE LINK WITH THE 1/4 MILE TIME, YOU WILL SEE YOUR BLOODY VIDEO PROOF. I wonder if these haters even read these posts or just like to spout off??? i hear the bells a ringing...DING DONGS....

PS- Jreigner, you could pack up your 11 other posts and hit the bricks, if you want to be "done with this already"....

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Dobey-
I understand you point of view completely.
Nevertheless, different cultures have have different tolerances of risk. And of what is acceptable.
That's how life works in some other countries-- WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
Jump up on your soapbox and cry and rant all you want, it will never change a thing.
Some people are crazy risk takers, some peple take risks to accomplish a goal but are very careful and methodical about how they go about it. And some people try not to take any risks at all. Where do you stand in all this, Dobey?
My point is--I think all of America is becoming very risk-averse.
Like I said, cradle to grave security. A general fear of taking chances.
30 years ago (if internet forums existed) his statements would have elicited comments like--
"Is you car up to it?"
"Are you up to it?"
"What about the cops?"
"Watch out for cross winds"
"Go for it! "
It's possible I would have looked at this threads original poster, then the condition of his car, and said " you are crazy!"
But if I know the driver is competent, his car is top notch, and the road is suitable, I might say "watch out for cross winds and the cops!"
Any person tries to minimize risks to achieve his goal. That's what the original poster was trying to do. Trying to account for the unexpected.
So of course, half the reply posts were "you're gonna die", etc. etc.
So that's how life works in this country-- whether I like it or not--and in truth it doesn't bother me a whole lot.
And neither do you.
Anyway, enjoy your car. If you know how.
I know I'll enjoy mine, except today, I have to go out and change the cam timing belts. Life's a beach!
Cheers.

quote Originally posted by Black Lotus: Dobey- I understand you point of view completely. Nevertheless, different cultures have have different tolerances of risk. And of what is acceptable. That's how life works in some other countries-- WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

If you think Thailand has different tolerances of risk based on culture, as an argument in support of stupidity, then you're wrong. Thailand, however does have a much more corrupt political society. For the right amount of money (relatively cheap compared to political buyouts in other countries), yes, you can do whatever you want. That is what organized crime in a corrupt government gets you. It has nothing to do with the general populous. And just because that was done in Thailand, doesn't mean it's acceptable on the streets of Michigan.

I'm not on a soapbox, or ranting. If you think that's either, then you clearly need to get out more. I am merely stating it how it is. Whether you want to agree or not, is not my problem. Life isn't as simple as often perceived. You may be thinking of only one risk when you go out and do something like this, or maybe even a few, but you undoubtedly are not considering all of them.

quote 96-130 mph in 4 seconds equals an acceleration rate of .4g. That will never happen in a Fiero, even with all the electric turbocharger (defroster fans) sold on ebay combined feeding a v8. Better get higher boots, the crap is really getting deep.

So much fail.


If anyone wants a ride let me know.


Stop being a bunch of pansy ass bitches.


Several of you need to get out more. I am still way slower than many of the car guys that I hang out with.
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quote Originally posted by batousai666: i think if you go to the OP's first post on page one and hit THE LINK WITH THE 1/4 MILE TIME, YOU WILL SEE YOUR BLOODY VIDEO PROOF. I wonder if these haters even read these posts or just like to spout off??? i hear the bells a ringing...DING DONGS.... PS- Jreigner, you could pack up your 11 other posts and hit the bricks, if you want to be "done with this already"....

Are you talking about the track run(not street) against himself-I dont think he hit 150 did you? Maybe you should revisit the 'bloody' post-(arent you from suppposed to be from MI?) thanks for giving me my 12th post.

I cannot speak to the "bashing" in the last few threads...but I can confirm that my newly installed (less than 1500 miles) SPEC 3+ Clutch has slipped numerous times.....so much in fact that I am worried.....but it seems to "grab" when it is needed (more often than not)....I am running decent pwr through it so maybe it is just moody power launches are not my thing anymore.....roll-ons are ok on the hwy

I do 75-115 in 3 seconds flat all the time according to data logs. I know its not as fast, but it covers 40mph in 3 seconds. Shifting that up to 90-130, can take 1 second longer. VERY believable that he does that.

I don't condone street racing one bit, but I'm happy for you winning and that you both made it out in one piece.

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