quote Originally posted by 88 forumla: il never be able to find a 3.4 with 60k miles for cheap/free

You won't?? I found a 3.4L with 44K on it for about $480, Spent about $1200 on new bearings, rings, performance cam, Performance intake,
Heads ported/shaved, Crane Fireball ignition, Hi-Vol oil pump, and a few other parts. The engine dyno'd at 223hp. (63hp gain over stock.)
My car with an auto trans ran low 14's.

Actually I found two 3.4L engines, Mine had 44K on it and the other had 48K on it and is being installed (after being rebuilt as well.) In a friends car. There are many 3.4L engines around here that are between 35K and 60K. Prices do vary a lot. But shop around and you'll find a good deal.

[This message has been edited by Oreif (edited 04-06-2005).]

well ofcorse my day off, was going to go test out the new ignition parts, i got out of bed to hear rain hitting the roof, well FUKED the day off plans, i hate the rain so much!

Try putting your advance back to 11*.

There really isn't any good gain beyond that and you could actually be losing power at 12.5*

Good luck

Arn

what would be the point to advance it only 1* hell ive heard that advancing them at 13* or 14* is best? dono?, do you think that the 18* and 25 gap on thew plugs could be to blame for the bad gas milage? 17 or 18mpg

.25" gap? you are barely exposing the spark to the air/fuel mixture

yeah i know i just thought they came gapped, wow what a difference!, i want to make a new thred to post the results because i think many/all people quit reading this one, it got wore out, but i dont want to make a new thred but ere it goes..

the mods are all complete, every single one i listed!, the motor acted nicely to these mods, i think 30hp isnt out of the question here, but its a hell of alot more responsive! idles smother! and does not run out of power at 4,000 rpms like it used to stock, its enough to put a grin on your face!, and boy oh boy did i do a smoke show today, was in a huge church parking lot and cocked the wheel and let er rip and i mean rip! it slung a complete 360 roasting em off the whole way and shot stright threw my smoke cloud still roasting em off at like 6,000 rpms!!!, it was soooo sweet!!! nothing like a dry parking lot to have some fun!, it would of never done that stock and i mean never!!!!, this damn thing screms! my best friend sais that it should effertlessy pull a 15.9! well we will see, hes raced down at the track several times, we used to run my van againt his 95' slomaro 3.4slow6 cly 5spd manual, a 17.4 quter mile fury! lol

but any way the 2.8 did acept these mods just as well as my 3.0l mitsu motor did!, jezus crist this things fun!

il bet a 14.9 out of it if i remove spare tire/crap and pass seat and make my fiencee drive it *whom weighs 110 lbs less then me* with minus 200lbs it would make a huge difference to that lil motor/ car.

the auto 3spd trans does rob power, but if i can pull a 14.9 to 15.9 with a stockish 2.8 auto trans.that would be in the record books lol, dont worry il come back from the track saing that it only ran a 16.4 lol

btw mpg went from 16.2 to 20.3!!!! yes i broke 20mpg city in a 2.8 and auto 3spd!! eat that one!!

[This message has been edited by 88 forumla (edited 04-07-2005).]

i get 20mpg on a regular basis with my beat up 3speed auto unmodded 2.8

I think all you did was restore it to stock condition

I can't believe that you still think that you are going to get 30HP out of gapping sparkplugs and putting on the MSD ignition when others have already dyno'd the thing and proved otherwise...

You might recover 30HP by corrrectly gapping the plugs and updating the ignition...

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88 Fiero GT Auto
01 Prizm 5 Spd.

I dont doubt 30 HP's.
finally got the timing right
new spark plug wires
plugs correctly gapped
new cap & rotor
new air filter
I bet that thing ran like crap
congrats - you now have the power you should have had in the first place

edit: post deleted, I'm getting totally bored with this, it's fantasy land in the making

the parking lot story did it for me

quote Originally posted by carbon: I can't believe that you still think that you are going to get 30HP out of gapping sparkplugs and putting on the MSD ignition when others have already dyno'd the thing and proved otherwise... You might recover 30HP by corrrectly gapping the plugs and updating the ignition...

don't waste your breath, he has much to learn and hopefully he opens his eyes someday so he can

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quote Originally posted by ditch: the parking lot story did it for me

LOL.

Kinda wheres ya down doesnt it.

quote Originally posted by DelawareFiero: LOL. Kinda wheres ya down doesnt it.

it also wears down the imaginary spinning tires in the imaginary parking lot

HP gains from changing oil ? 30Hp gains from gapping your plugs? Advancing the timming and playing with the plugs might get you a burnt hole in a piston maybe.
You will only get gains if you tear the engine apart internally and do some proformance work inside the engine.
I believe a company sells the proformance intake manifolds for these engines.

This engine falls flat on it's face at around 4200 rpm.

You should consider converting your car to stick.

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[This message has been edited by 86fieroEarl (edited 04-07-2005).]

Amen to that Earl.

Alot of guys do alot of work on the 2.8 trying to make that automatic do 15's, and it is a tall job.

My view is that the only way to run a 2.8 is with a stick. That is the single biggest factor in getting a 2.8 into the 15's.

Even with that, I agree completely that there is no bandaid solution to getting the hp above 140. I also agree that most stock 2.8's are no longer putting out their designed hp due to age and wear.

The best you can hope for without internal mods is stock hp.

Arn

quote Originally posted by Kohburn: I think all you did was restore it to stock condition

quote Originally posted by carbon: You might recover 30HP by corrrectly gapping the plugs and updating the ignition...

I'm betting this is what really happened. He went from a mis-tuned 110hp V-6 to the stock 140hp.

Doing "dounuts" in a parking lot doesn't mean a thing. I use to do dounuts in a 1976 Pontiac Astre with a whopping 65hp stock 140ci carb'd enigine back in the 70's in high school.

Now he's betting a 14.9 out of it?!?!? ROTFLMAO!!!

Sorry but removing 200lbs out of the car might gain you about .2 in the 1/4 mile So now your at a 16.2 seconds in the 1/4 mile.
Many people most likely quit reading this only because the outlandish claims you are making.

wow thanks for the replys!!, the best i can do is go take pics of the burnout marks and hunt down the 20 or so people play B ball that saw me do it, it was unreal!, and acually i thought i burned up my tranny while doing the burnout because when it slung me around thats when the rpms hit 6k, but it was still eating em off, i kept the pedal burried even tho i thought my trans was toast, but nope ive just never done a burnout like that before., ive thought about adding the 5spd, i acually have a 5sped getreg trans on hand if i wanted to do it, but i just dont, i like to be different

here yall' go, man i hate this damn 2.8! ive spend 360$ and it still doesnt get out of its own damn way! pos! i hate fieros! i hate chevy motors! hell fuk cars all together! there junk, slow and costly!, and you guys are kings! you know every thing there is to know about cars and you right all i did was lie lie lie and restore stock hp. and the burnout was in the snow...thats what you wanted to hear wasnt it...close minded sob's!!

I have a feeling what this is going to lead up to. When he goes to the track and realizes just how clueless he is, he will do one of the following:

1) not post the timeslip
2) race a fast car, and when posting the timeslip, claim to be that car (assuming they have both cars on timeslip)
3) make a fool out of himself....oh wait, that has been happening since the beginning of this thread

was completely full of crap up to this point, so no changes are expected in future posts

quote Originally posted by 88 forumla: ..thats what you wanted to hear wasnt it...close minded sob's!!

Has nothing to do with being close minded. If we were close minded we wouldn't have Fieros in the first place. It has to do with experience. You don't have it, we do. You have no idea what real power is, you don't know about engines, and you keep making claims that most of us have been there and done that with. I offered to help you and I really meant it but Ditch is right, this whole thing is a waste of time and at this point I actually believe you're doing it just to screw with people. I also believe he's right in his last statements; you will go to the track, learn what a fool you have been but never admit it.
The parking lot donuts, as Oreif said, are not impressive. You crank the wheel and hit the pedal and of course it's going to spin around burning out the whole way.
Seriously man, did it ever occur to you to think that perhapes, with sooooo many people telling you the same thing, that all own Fieros too, that they might just possibly know what they're talking about??
It's a shame you're like this. There's some good people here who could and would help you achieve some real gains but you appear to be to ignorant to use the resources available to you.

It sounds like your skills would best be put on a huge 1.6l honda or a great straight-line handling firebird.

quote Originally posted by 88 forumla: wow thanks for the replys!!, the best i can do is go take pics of the burnout marks and hunt down the 20 or so people play B ball that saw me do it, it was unreal!, and acually i thought i burned up my tranny while doing the burnout because when it slung me around thats when the rpms hit 6k, but it was still eating em off, i kept the pedal burried even tho i thought my trans was toast, but nope ive just never done a burnout like that before., ive thought about adding the 5spd, i acually have a 5sped getreg trans on hand if i wanted to do it, but i just dont, i like to be different here yall' go, man i hate this damn 2.8! ive spend 360$ and it still doesnt get out of its own damn way! pos! i hate fieros! i hate chevy motors! hell fuk cars all together! there junk, slow and costly!, and you guys are kings! you know every thing there is to know about cars and you right all i did was lie lie lie and restore stock hp. and the burnout was in the snow...thats what you wanted to hear wasnt it...close minded sob's!!

OMG ROLF...... You think your fast because you can do a burnout ? My stock cavalier was able to do burnouts as well but it was still slow. You could of took that $360 bucks and tore the engine down for porting..... But after hearing your last post. I believe your not capable of doing any such work to a engine. A large number of ppl just told you where to start if you wanted any type of gain. But you won't listen.
Just do everyone a favor and put 100 shot of nos on the thing and be done with it. if you added $200 more bucks you could of just did that. I think that may be your best bet infact.

I too thought you could achieve gobs of hp from external mods.... But I listened and learned more.
Like Arns85GT says.... The biggest gain will be converting your automatic to stick.

And the story about a oil change giving you 8hp was outrages LOL

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[This message has been edited by 86fieroEarl (edited 04-07-2005).]

i'd say u would be lucky to get into the 16s at all. you better get some video of your runs.

quote Originally posted by 86fieroEarl: Like Arns85GT says.... The biggest gain will be converting your automatic to stick.

Amen

quote Originally posted by 86fieroEarl: Like Arns85GT says.... The biggest gain will be converting your automatic to stick.

I'll second that. Before I put the 3.4 into my 87 5spd, it had a 2.8. That car was way faster than my 86 2.8 with the 3spd auto. The engines in both cars were in the same shape but it was a night and day difference. The manual tranny really brings the car to life. I still love my 86 auto though.

I have one positive remark to say: I enjoyed the thought of being so irreverent as to do donuts in a church parking lot. It reminded me of the time I was driving through the city at night and a church had just let out. All the sheep were flocking slowly across the street to their cars and I became tired of waiting... so I peeled out half sideways through the crowd. Yes, I was young and could have hurt someone and I would never do that now, but it sure was fun at the time. Oh yeah, I was in a stock 2.8 Fiero!

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That was fun! Most entertaining thread I've read on a non-pron board in years!
My first car would do a burnout too, in '66 my bone stock '36 Ford PU would lay down 6 feet!

Is this the original engine? (17 years old?)

I had a 1962 Fiat 850, 38 hp. 4 cylinder, suicide doors.

It would do nice black donuts all day. It also did 70 mph flat out in a tail wind.

When I bought my GT I took it out off the lot onto a 4 lane street, and crossing two lanes turning left I let it out. I fish-tailed 3 times, much to my amazement. Of course, that was with a stick.

Never said my Fiat was the fastest car around, but it could do donuts. So can a Fiero.

Arn

Gee..... and to think we wasted all that time and money on R&D, when we could just have asked 'Mr-I-can-burn-one-tire' how to make HP. I guess you lean something new everyday, well,,,, at least those of us that know when someone (make that a bunch of someones) is giving you good advice.

well the ol msd modual(that i installed new a day ago) decided to burn up and leave me stranded 15 miles from home, im now considering an A6, ive already sent back the old unit and am getting a new 1 in return, but il be pissed and switching to an A6 if it blows again, well looks like i wont be getting to the track this comming week, itl take a week or so to get my replacement unit back.

next job will be porting my exaust manifolds

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quote Originally posted by 88 forumla: well the ol msd modual(that i installed new a day ago) decided to burn up and leave me stranded 15 miles from home, im now considering an A6, ive already sent back the old unit and am getting a new 1 in return, but il be pissed and switching to an A6 if it blows again, well looks like i wont be getting to the track this comming week, itl take a week or so to get my replacement unit back. next job will be porting my exaust manifolds

Question: did you install the MSD coil that you mentioned in your first post? If you did, take this into consideration: If you are NOT using an MSD box (6A, 6AL, etc) it could cause premature coil failure too! I have a couple friends who had this problem, they called MSD and asked about the problem and thats what the people at MSD said... just passing that tidbit of info along........

Good idea, finally, about the exhaust manifolds!

quote Originally posted by chrishahn87: Question: did you install the MSD coil that you mentioned in your first post? If you did, take this into consideration: If you are NOT using an MSD box (6A, 6AL, etc) it could cause premature coil failure too! I have a couple friends who had this problem, they called MSD and asked about the problem and thats what the people at MSD said... just passing that tidbit of info along........ Good idea, finally, about the exhaust manifolds!

I have never heard that before on this board or in the packaging for the MSD coil... I have never heard anything about premature failure of an MSD coil with an otherwise stock ignition system. Besides he is talking about his ignition module, not his coil.

I agree about the exhaust manifolds. Finally!

Excuse me, I just stumbled in here and will vacate in a few seconds. For those of you who have brains and for some that may someday acquire one I have something to pass on. Herb Adams raced Fieros for a while in a stock engine class. He did some dyno work on the engine (using an engine dyno) and had the results on the internet. Sorry but I can't find it anymore. He found the 2.8 down quite a bit from it's stated power. He essentially blueprinted it and did basic valve seat and valve angle work (stock class here) and as I recall he gained nothing practically. He then did mods and reported the result of each as he dynoed. The exhaust manifold cleanup delivered a healthy chunk, not just 2 or so but much more. A cam was substituted that had more lift but stock timing events. This again delivered a respectable gain. He noted that some of the cam gain could be substituted by using 1.6 rockers. The factory ecm setting was thought to be rich. He then played with prom chips but gain nothing. Leaving the reprogrammed leaner chip in, the engine eventually went south a ate a piston from being excessively lean.

Anyway, good luck if you look for the article and if you find it, give us a link to it.

quote Originally posted by carbon: I have never heard that before on this board or in the packaging for the MSD coil... I have never heard anything about premature failure of an MSD coil with an otherwise stock ignition system. Besides he is talking about his ignition module, not his coil. I agree about the exhaust manifolds. Finally!

I was just wondering about the coil, he mentioned it on the first post that had a list of stuff he was going to do and had all the horsepower gains beside each one. I have not had the problem of premature MSD coil failure either. I mentioned about friends of mine that had that problem (using MSD coils and Accel also) - they drive 5.0 Mustangs from early '90s. I love MSD products and use nothing but MSD products, so im not bashing them. I just wanted to throw it out there
*forgot to mention the obvious: Mustangs have different coils than Fieros, maybe thats the problem*

[This message has been edited by chrishahn87 (edited 04-07-2005).]

i dont know but i just hope that pirticular (it was jegs not msd, but same part # different stickers is what jegs told me on the phone), but i just hope that the "jegs" ignition modual that failed on me was a defect 1 and there not all going to be like that, and besides i still have to pay the damn shipping both ways while refunding my defect for a new 1, that sucks!, il be asking for exaust manifold porting help later on, the front one looks easy, the back is odviously harder, but it all depends on if the bolts come out or not, PB blaster will be my friend when i start that project., probly after i get back from the track, i want to have a time slip on these bolt ons before i really get into it.

THREAD HI JACK THREAD HI JACK THREAD HI JACK THREAD HI JACK

quik question if i were to put aset of exaugst maifolds off a 3.1 or 3.4 since they are bigger wiould it help and do their upper inrakes flow better

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its always the ones you dont suspect

Hey, just a warning on exhaust manifolds. Make d@mn sure that you pb blast those things to hell and back. The last thing you want is a bolt stuck in the head

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VERY true but will it help performane wise by swaping the intake and exaughst manifolds??

quote Originally posted by 1987bluegt: THREAD HI JACK THREAD HI JACK THREAD HI JACK THREAD HI JACK quik question if i were to put aset of exaugst maifolds off a 3.1 or 3.4 since they are bigger wiould it help and do their upper inrakes flow better

You'd need to make a custom exhaust, their manifolds are not even close to the Fieros. Their upper intakes don't flow any better. The only way to flow better is to port the intakes and/or exhaust out or get a High Flow intake and headers.