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Project Genisis Lo Budget 3800SC by hercimer01
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Report this Post05-05-2011 01:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for hercimer01Send a Private Message to hercimer01Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Well here it is. The start of something good. This is what I have so far.


86 GT 49K miles 4 speed (bad motor)






The donor, 1998 GTP 130K miles




The motor.


Fierox moumts, I have them this is his pic.

I like pics by the way, so be prepared for more.

What do you guys think?


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Red 88 Formula 3.4 pr 4 speed automatic
Black 86 GT 3800 SC automatic swap in progress

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Report this Post05-05-2011 01:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierogt27Click Here to Email fierogt27Send a Private Message to fierogt27Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Well, whats going to make it low budget?

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Report this Post05-05-2011 01:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for hercimer01Send a Private Message to hercimer01Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

I was wondering the same thing. LOL

I have 300 at least into this.

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Seriously though, I really am just going to go mild on the motor (gaskets only and maybe a pulley). The wiring harness i ca do my self and the trans 4t65EHD will be redone through bartering. My buddy used to work at Maaco so I bought a new spray gun today for him to use.

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MS95744 Supercharger Gasket w/2 Yellow O-rings
MS98014T Aluminum Intake Manifold Gaskets
VS50465R Valve Cover Gaskets

This is what I'm going to buy tomorrow. Is there any thing else I should get for the engine? That is gasket wise?

My coupler seems to be good.

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Report this Post05-12-2011 08:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for darkhorizonSend a Private Message to darkhorizonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Skip the oil pan gasket.. It wont fix the problem, the oil pan itself is the broken part. Alot of RTV on the old gasket works well enough.

In terms of the trans.. If it isnt broke dont fix it.. and if it is, get a junkyard trans.

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Get an oil pump pick up tube gasket and a tube of silicone sealer for the pan gasket. If you reuse the old one, make sure to clean ALL the oil off. Silicone sealer will not stick to oil. But as Darkhorizon said, you can reuse the pan gasket as long as ALL the oil is cleaned off (needs to be rediculously clean of oil). And silicone both sides of the new or used gasket. The pan has ripples in the sealing surface from the factory, and one side of the pan gasket does not have a high protruding seal, it's almost flush with the plastic frame. So you want to use a good sealer.

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What's the issue regarding the oil pan?

Ah, I see. Thanks 1fatcat!

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Paid $500 for my 3800SC, did my own mounts, and a lot of other fabrication (exhaust, wiring, alt mount). That's keeping it on the cheap side. Aside from the engine, it's all the other little stuff like fuel lines, hoses, CA intake, and belts that adds up.

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Thanks guys for all the input. I bought all the gaskets today before I was able to read this. I think I will return the oil pan gasket, but it comes with the pickup tube gasket. I wasn't able to find a part number at Autozone for the oil tube gasket, maybe I can find one at Napa.

I paid $119.00 plus tax. I did make them price match the LIM MS98014T to Rock Auto at 50.79. I paid list for every thing else. I could have gotten them to match everything else.

Oh, and I did get a tube of Permatex black silicone.

EDIT; I did return the oil pan gasket, I still need the oil pickup tube gasket P/N.

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Paid $500 for my 3800SC, did my own mounts, and a lot of other fabrication (exhaust, wiring, alt mount). That's keeping it on the cheap side. Aside from the engine, it's all the other little stuff like fuel lines, hoses, CA intake, and belts that adds up.


I paid 500 for my GTP too. I got the 86 GT (the motor had a rod knock, 40K MI, go figure) and an 86 SE (running with no title) for $1300. I sold the 86 SE for $400 and took a set of good BFG radial TA's off it. So $900 for the gt with good tires and spotless interior.

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In terms of the trans.. If it isnt broke dont fix it.. and if it is, get a junkyard trans.


I have friend who has me RR transmissions so he can rebuild them in his garage. He wants me to rebuild it, $500 for parts and he will step me through the rebuild for one RR in exchange. I can work off the money, 200 for each RR. That's how I paid for the motor gaskets.

The tranny fluid was pitch black with 130K miles. Honestly, I want to take my chances with the trans as is, new fluid and filter. I drove it before i took it apart and it seemed fine. What do you guys think.

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Its like Christmas!


I returned the oil pan gasket and edited the prices.

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I have friend who has me RR transmissions so he can rebuild them in his garage. He wants me to rebuild it, $500 for parts and he will step me through the rebuild for one RR in exchange. I can work off the money, 200 for each RR. That's how I paid for the motor gaskets.

The tranny fluid was pitch black with 130K miles. Honestly, I want to take my chances with the trans as is, new fluid and filter. I drove it before i took it apart and it seemed fine. What do you guys think.


I would let it ride... I love these transmissions myself.

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Thanks DarkHorizon. I think I will let it ride.

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Looks like a nice project. Good luck.

Also, a note from my 7yo daughter: "You spelled Genesis wrong" - Genesis

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Oops.

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I removed more body panels today for paint.

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I pulled the supercharger off today.





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Should I have cleaned the grime off before I took it apart?

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well go ahead and take off the LIM and take the TB off the supercharger and clean everything separate. It will be a lot easier.

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I pulled the LIM today. I has the original plastic gaskets.





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I know your trying to do low budget but go ahead and fork over the 50 dollars for the aluminum gasket. especially if your going to continue moding it

Edited because my stupid computer auto corrects

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MS98014T Aluminum Intake Manifold Gaskets



These are aluminum right?

What do you mean by "molding it"

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yea man your good on that gasket

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Installed the LIM today.




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wow looks great your not to far from me id love to come check it out sometime.

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Niterrorz, PM sent.

I painted the valve covers.

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I would have plugged those coolant passages to the TB in the LIM.

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I was out of town this week. I was looking forward to getting back to work on the engine. I painted the throttle body and supercharger.



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i don't know about the low budget part but it looks like it will be a nice swap and nice car looks good

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Lo Budget here means money spent to get it done. I dont plan to go go with elaborate setups, ie expensive. This thread is for a swapper to follow so they can plan on how much it will cost to get it done before they start.

The work i just did on the motor is the cost of gaskets and spray paint and elbow grease.

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And the fuel rails painted.



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Is this the right Oil Filter adapter (98 GTP)? Its getting the 4T65EHD, The Fiero is an 86. Ill be using my fierox mounts.



Edit; It turns out the oil pressure switch on the 98 GTP is two pin. It needs to be replaced by one from an 88 2.8 or equivalent. (3 pin for the gauge.)

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I got the 2.8 engine off the cradle finally. The cradle is in really good shape for a northern Illinois car but still needs to be sand blasted. I found someone local who said he would do it cheap. I don't know how much yet, I will drop it off this weekend.

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Before


After, primer only($120)

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My Prothane bushings are on the way.

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Is this the right Oil Filter adapter (98 GTP)? Its getting the 4T65EHD, The Fiero is an 86. Ill be using my fierox mounts.


Yep, that will work fine.

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Thanks guys for all the input. I bought all the gaskets today before I was able to read this. I think I will return the oil pan gasket, but it comes with the pickup tube gasket. I wasn't able to find a part number at Autozone for the oil tube gasket, maybe I can find one at Napa.

I paid $119.00 plus tax. I did make them price match the LIM MS98014T to Rock Auto at 50.79. I paid list for every thing else. I could have gotten them to match everything else.

Oh, and I did get a tube of Permatex black silicone.

EDIT; I did return the oil pan gasket, I still need the oil pickup tube gasket P/N.



whoa i did not know you could get AZ to price match things you find on rock. i need to start enforcing this every time i go to AZ. maybe even oreillys, advance and napa will.

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looks good.

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