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A history of Skitimes car by skitime
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i vote this one of the best threads i've ever read...bump to maybe keep it alive?

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Hey thanks and now it is 7 pages too. I got to add the headlight covers and the intercooler and supercharger pulleys to the thread.

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Well there ya go...theres even more history to the most beautiful car on here

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OK, I am on my 2003 summer vacation and two shows are already under my belt. I got a rainy morning so I can continue my history tread. I was really rushing to get things done for the Carlisle show. I was lucky enough to take a first place in the Modified GT Class for a second year at Carlisle. I also won my first 1st in the Custom class at the GM Nationals. I must say the competition is getting better and better. Prior to the show I had a flurry of activities going. I was repairing my extraction hood. It had developed a 3” crack near the windshield. I decided to completely redo the bonding surfaces. I had never done a bonding like this so I chalked it up to experience. I had not overlapped the fiberglass enough the first time. I was going to be sure it would not happen again.

I used a dremel tool to remove all the old material. I did this on both sides just to be consistent and hopefully trouble free. It made me sick to have to redo the hood but it needed to be done.

I also was not happy with two body panels. The passenger door panel had some imperfections on it. I never noticed it before until I was waxing it for the first time last summer at the Fierorama.

I was not happy with the rear bumper either. So I decided to remove it also and send it to the painter along with the hood and door panel. Luckily the painter had mixed a lot of paint last year knowing I would be back for more painting. He seemed to know me by now and knows I like to change things. So there was no worry of the paint not matching.

So with a week to go prior to Carlisle my car was missing a hood, rear bumper and passenger door panel. I had the exact same situation the previous two years. My painter seems only to work when there is a hard deadline

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Now for the new mods this year. I had actually started one mod the previous winter. While working on my new hood last year, I was thinking of filling in the letters PONTIAC on the drivers headlight cover. I just thought that would be different. Well my mind started to get carried away with other ideas for the covers. What if I could just put different lettering on the covers? Hmmm. So off to a U-Pull-It yard and I came home with about 5 sets of headlight covers to do some prototype work. I teach AutoCAD in a high school and had some CNC machining experience. I decided that I could create the drawings of letters and import them to a CNC router. You cannot just use a font to create the drawings for CNC so each letter had to be a separate drawing. I decide to attempt to create FIERO GT in place of the PONTIAC on the cover and to advertise my 3800 supercharged engine I would letter the other headlight as well with 3800SC. After studying the covers I realized that it was going to be real hard to re-letter them since the headlight covers are not flat as they first appeared.

After talking with my buddy with the CNC router we decided that the it would be extremely hard to prevent the router from going all the way through at places. Then we discussed machining all the way through and just refilling it before painting. Seemed like a good idea but what should I fill it with. One material I could fill it with as resin. Problem with that was in was translucent and might affect the painting and color. Then it hit me like the classic light bulb going off in my head. What if I would keep it clear and light it from behind. Cool idea if I say so myself. Well I played around with the idea using a dremmel tool to see what was possible.

I then had to find a good resin material that would be clear. I had a real hard time finding good stuff. I discussed the resin with several others on the forum. (I am always surprised when I think about all the people that know about my “secret project”) The only resin I had around was for fiberglass work but it was slightly amber colored. Well I played around with it any way.

Then I realized the lettering would have to be colored yellow anyway. Any lights on the front of the car needs to be white or yellow according to federal law. So it would not matter if the resin was slightly colored. I used yellow tape to give it a consistent legal color.

Here is the first prototype we did with the CNC. It developed new design problems.

Here is the covers after getting them back from the CNC router. Bridges had to be worked into the CNC machining code so that the centers would not fall out.


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The sides of the letters were not painted and the resin could possible fall out if pressed hard. So I had to figure out how to overcome these problems. The painter was also concerned with the color interacting with the resin. So more test needed to be done. Luckily the painter was spraying some of my other parts so we could test interactions at the same time. I developed a way to cast all the letters into one piece, which would prevent letters from falling out. Along with the painter, we came up with a paint sequence to make it work. Since the clear had to be painted on the base within 18 hours timing was critical. The plan went like this. He would paint the base red on the covers and inside the letters at the end of his day. I would pick it after work and cast the lettering so it had maximum time to cure. The casting had to be done it two steps. First a shallow casting was done so that I could dremmel tool out the bridging when the resin hardened. Then I would fill my mold entirely so I would get a good bond to the first layer. I would drop the covers off at the painters in the morning and he would spray clear over everything. This was done on different days for each cover. (Sorry I forgot to take pics of some of the steps.) Here is what they looked like after getting them back from the painter and with the yellow tape on the backs.


Well, the next major hurdle was trying to figure out how to light them up. I tried every type of lighting I knew. All incandescent bulbs no matter how small created too much heat. Also the compartment I needed to put them in was about 1/4 inch thick so it had to be a small light to work.

I was starting to think I ran into an insurmountable roadblock. I ran this lighting question past many of my Fiero buddies but to know avail. I was doing Internet searches and stumbled upon cold cathode lights. These were designed for tabletop and hand scanners. They are very bright and are basically miniature neon lights and amazingly are powered by 12V DC. To top it off they are only ¼ inch think. I was thrilled to find them and ordered some to experiment with. At that time they only came in 10 and 4-inch lights. I need two 4 inch ones for each headlight cover.

I played with the 10-inch tubes too and used them in my engine lighting.


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Before the 2002 Carlisle show I had one headlight cover completed with lighting but did not have time to finish the second one. I was going to then complete them for the 2002 Fierorama show but Vonnie insisted to keep them till the next season so I would have something new. So I just put the pieces away till prior to 2003 Carlisle. Course it was a mad rush to get them done in time for the 2003 Carlisle show. I had a real hard time designing a system to mount the wiring and control boxes with all the moving parts in the headlight assembly.

I also added a pair of adjustable strobe lights into the covers. They work great and really attract attention to the car at shows and cruise-ins. The cold cathodes are wired to the same wire that lights the GT “PONTIAC” lights on the taillights so they come on when you start the car. I also have switches to turn on the lights and strobes separately.

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Well, it has been a rough winter for me. I was not able to work on the car because of a partial knee replacement until late spring. I figured when I was able to work in the garage again I would concentrate on horsepower. I rolled over some of the money from selling parts off our wrecked 88 GT t-top into this car. I wanted to be one of the first 3800 supercharged Fieros to have an intercooler. I decided on the ZZP intercooler since it was a complete system although it was designed for the Grand Prix GTP.

I was hoping to have it done by the Carlisle show but it did not arrive in time. In preparation of the intercooler I modified my trunk lid. I found it interesting that even though I had done a major modification to my engine compartment prior to Carlisle not even one person noticed it. Actually that pleased me since I knew it must of appeared stock therefore not noticeable. The intercooler is 2 ¼ inches thick so the supercharger would be raised that much and would interfere with the trunk lid so a major modification needed to be done for clearance. So I had to cut a lot of clearance into the trunk support and the trunk hinge. That was a little scary since the trunk lid was already highly modified with the window and engine vent. I redesigned the trunk hinge so it was a 1 ¼ higher than before as well as the trunk lid support. A steel backer plate was installed behind the fiberglass for the new hinge to bolt to just like the factory piece that was cut out. I also had to design gas struts supports since the original torsion bars would no longer work. Amazingly not one person commented about the changes at the Carlisle show. I even told some that something was changed and they could not find it.

I originally was going to design my intercooler radiator like the GM prototype and build it into the wing. I even gathered pieces to design intercooler in the wing. I was worried about cooling when the car was not moving which was an advantage to the front radiator design. The front radiator would allow cooling with the fan even if the car was not moving.

After a lot of thinking and planning, I decided with the window and the trunk engine vent that a third vent would be a bit too much so I went with installing a radiator in the front.

I had to adapt the ZZP radiator to get it to fit in front of the AC core. All the fittings had to cut off and replace so it would fit the Fiero.

Since the radiator was a long way from the intercooler I decided to use metal piping to get the coolant to the front of the car. This would have an added benefit. The pipes would act as additional radiators on the round trip of the fluid. I used 3/4-inch metal pipes so the fluid would have less restriction through the pipe and transmit more heat.


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I was able to mount then that the pipes are not any lower than the stock lines.

The pump was mounted behind the radiator. BTW, I am very pleased with the flow of the ZZP pump. I have a sight tube at the intercooler and it is really moving a lot of fluid swiftly.

I also replaced the intake manifold with the ZZP modified manifold. This manifold allows even more cooling of the incoming air. I sure hated to be tearing a engine apart that was a new crate engine and now with about 3000 miles on it. Here is a pic of the stock intake manifold.

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These engines are so well engineered I was pleasantly surprised when I got the manifold off. The gaskets have locating pins and almost no gasket sealer is needed because of the design of the gaskets. Look at the oil collectors for each push rod. I was impressed with the inside of the engine.

And here is the ZZP modified intake manifold.



I also had the ZZP 8-groove pulley at the Carlisle show but not the 8-groove belt. The 8-groove pulley gives 1/3 more gripping power. I now redesigned my belt path for even more wrap around the supercharger pulley. I previously had some belt slip at high RPMs. I believe this will take care of that.

I was able to track down a Goodyear Gatorback belt at a local tractor-trailer parts shop. ZZP does not have a 8-groove pulleys in production yet so I modified mine from a 6-groove pulley to a 7-groove pulley.

My belt path is greatly improved and I went from about 35 degree wrap around the supercharger pulley to about 270 degree wrap. With the 33% more belt I am sure belt slip is a thing of the past.

I now have 3 swappable pulleys. 3.4, 3.25 and a 3.0 Zooomer owner of ZZP says I will be able to run the 3.0 with no additional mods to the engine. With the 3.0 pulley I should be approaching the 300 HP to the rear wheels along with the help of the WCF headers.


Also in this pic you can see where the intercooler lines connect to the intercooler. I added a sight tube to allow me to observe the coolant.

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I also added the ZZP throttle body spacer. It prevents the supercharger from heating up the throttle body.

I also add the ZZP underdrive water pump pulley to free up some horsepower. It is lighter and prevents turning the pump faster than is needed.


Here are some pics of the completed intercooler.


Now previously I shamefully was using the stock restrictive 2.8 air intake system and air cleaner. I decided to build a cold air intake box and intake system with a K&N filter. I have a one-piece 4-inch rubber hose running from the throttle body to the K&N filter. I am designing a cold air box behind the Mecham side scoop for some ram air effect. Most of the Fieros I have seen just stick a filter behind the quarter panel and let it suck hot air from the surrounds. Not good! I want a completely sealed compartment for the filter that will only take in cool air.

With the redesigning of the air intake system I was able to relocate two ugly items in my engine compartment. I relocated the emissions canister and the cruise control vacuum tank away from my rear engine compartment to being hidden where the old air cleaner was. It is much nicer looking without those ugly things being visible.

Well after driving my GT finally after completing the cold air intake and intercooler. It felt so much stronger. I drove it hard and it felt like it definitely has more power. The power was right there all the time. It reminded me of a tightly wound rubber band. After the spirited drive the intercooler was only warm and it would of been too hot to touch before. I was pleased with that. The new intake system really lets the whine of the supercharger come through. Sweet! I had the expected drop in boost but now it time to put the smaller pulleys on. hehe

Here is my cold air intake box. I made two panels out of steel to close the area. All seams were taped with metal duct tape as well as any factory openings. The original fender liner was cut in the middle so you only need to remove the front half to service. The liner is sealed with gaskets as well.

Here is the new large K&N air filter in place.

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My new air intake tube is awesome. It is heavy rubber with a steel coil inside to prevent collapse.

The custom rubber hose is so much better than PVC or metal. It reduces the heat transferred to the inside and does not transmit vibrations.

And here is the competed view through the engine-viewing window. The supercharger sure looks sweeter being 2 1/4 inches closer to the glass.

The last thing I have done was change the stock fuel pump to the 1989 Turbo Trans Am fuel pump. It will allow the pump to keep up with the higher demand of this engine.


So this is up to date I believe. Yes I still got lots of plans for the car. I need to get it dialed in with a new ECM chip burned for this engine setup. I have a few other ideas I might develop. I am planning to go to the 20th Anniversary Show and hope to meet lots of new people. Please stop by and check it out. Let me know what you think.


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Hey Skitime you have the most sweetest car on here. Will you let me move in if I promise to wash and wax your GT?

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Sorry guys you will have to marry into the family. lol

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wow, took me several hours to read through the hole thing. amazing, simply amazing. If I could do half the work to my future car as you have done to this one I would be satisfied, your work is truly inspiring and top rate. cant wait to see what you do next

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Sorry guys you will have to marry into the family. lol

Hey well why didn't you just say so! I've seen pictures of your daughter from her prom, and I'm willing if you willing to have me.

Oh and about the car, I don't think I need to repeat myself yet again

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keep up the good work

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Oops, I think you messed something up! Oh wait, my mistake, the car is perfect.

Beautiful work, as always. One question, would you mind sharing what the intake tube was originally intended for, specifically? It is a great piece and I'm sure other 3800 SC owners would like to know how they can get it in the future. I don't have a 3800SC, but if I did I'd be all over that intake setup, it's near ideal!

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man, does this tread ever make ya want a 3.8? Lol.

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Hi,
Nice work!
What was the 4" intake hose made for originally?
Where to get it?
Do You have the partnumber for the 4" KN filter?

Please post more info on how the engine perform with the 3" S/C pulley!

Thanks!!!
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Sorry guys you will have to marry into the family. lol

*Get's down on one Knee*

Ski,
Will you marry me

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Hi,
Nice work!
What was the 4" intake hose made for originally?
Where to get it?
Do You have the partnumber for the 4" KN filter?

Please post more info on how the engine perform with the 3" S/C pulley!

Thanks!!!
Fredrik

I would like to suppy the intake hose. If I buy them in quanity I can sell them for $85+shipping. They will have the air temp sensor mounting installed unless you prefer to do that yourself. I will leave 2-3 inches extra on each end so you can cut to fit your application.

The air cleaner is K&N #RF-1040

To date I have only moved down to the 3.25 pulley. I need to get a scanner on the engine before I go to the 3.0 pulley. The car run very strong with the 3.25 pulley. It reminds me of have nitrous oxide on the car compared to how if felt without the intercooler and a stock 3.8 pulley. The fluid in the intercooler system is staying very cool also.

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Hey Ski, does the tube there rub up against the coolent pipe? I was wondering if you were worried about it maybe rubbing through eventually or heating up your 'air box'. Just curious.

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Hey Ski, does the tube there rub up against the coolent pipe? I was wondering if you were worried about it maybe rubbing through eventually or heating up your 'air box'. Just curious.

The only thing the tube touches is what you see in the pics. It touches the engine wall as it passes into the cold air box and it touches the gas filler pipe. Since the hose is rubber this is not a problem especially since it is a long distance for the end mounted to the throttle body.

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Ohh.. gotcha. I confused the gas filler tube. Lookin good!!

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Ski you got my vote for the fiero hall of fame !!


Simply amazing automobile, you put us all to shame.

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Report this Post06-28-2003 08:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for my86se.and85gt.fierosClick Here to Email my86se.and85gt.fierosSend a Private Message to my86se.and85gt.fierosEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

hey you have a lot of money and time put in to that car take care of it and can u fix my 86se up

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Hey ski, you gotta get us some detailed interior shots...like for instance, where do you have all your strobe switches! lol

Yeah, I'd like to see some interior shots...

You really should do some stereo stuff in there...Your car would ROCK with a DVD player and Screen...not that it doesnt rock already ...

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bump for interior shots..

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Report this Post06-30-2003 03:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for skitimeClick Here to Email skitimeSend a Private Message to skitimeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

I covered my interior changes on page 5. What else do you want to see?

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... A dvd player?

LOL

Sorry, didnt see those pics...LOL

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Hey ski, you gotta get us some detailed interior shots...like for instance, where do you have all your strobe switches! lol

Yeah, I'd like to see some interior shots...

You really should do some stereo stuff in there...Your car would ROCK with a DVD player and Screen...not that it doesnt rock already ...

I have a defrost switch modified to be my switch for my driving lights. That way it appears stock and I always hated seeing that location being blank. It is wired so that the when the parking lights are off the driving lights are off too. I also have it wired so the indicator light on the switch comes on when the driving lights are on.

All my other switches are under the drivers ash tray door.
1. Main switch - turns off power to the rest of the switches
2. Engine lights switch
3. PONTIAC strobe switch
4. Headlight covers lights
5. Headlight covers strobes
6. Undercar neons lights.

I started the panel with flat rocker switches but they were too large to keep adding so by the time it came to install more switches I changed to mini metal toggle switches. I want to redo the panel now to have uniform switches throughout. I might be adding more lights & strobes in the future so I also need to have room for more switches.

My stereo does sound great already. The late model Pontiac radios are great. I have 3-way Pioneer speakers up front and Pioneer 2-way on the B-pillars. Those combined with the factory sub-woofer gives the car a solid sound. I have custom tuned the sub-woofer amp to get maximun benifit from the Rodney Dickman sub-woofer. It has a much stronger thump now then before. The cassette head unit also controls the 6 disk Delco CD changer. The changer has all of its controls in the head unit. The changer is mounted on the left front fender wall under the hood. I really like the unit because it looks stock plays great and would be an unlikely target for theives. No self respecting theif would steal a cassette radio and they would have no idea it is connected to the CD changer since their is no tell-tale CD control.

Sure I have thought about DVD units and might go down that road someday. Got too many other projects to complete first.

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I'd love one of those intake hoses. Do you have paypal. Email me and let me know whats up ok? I'd like to buy ASAP. Thanks

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If you have a picture of the front compartment, I would love to see more on the placement of the CD changer. I'm getting ready to do my install as soon as I get adaptors. I also need the harness to go between the tape deck and the changer if you know any sources...


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Not only do you have the nicest fiero I have ever seen, This is one of the best pictures I have ever seen taken of a car. As with your car the attentionto detail shows.

Btw just noticed we have the same radio, could you give me some more info on the factory CD changer your using. Thanks.

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Were did you get the Middle Vent? I need to work on getting my engine cooler, its too hot were I live. I have 3 fans that I wanna wire up under the section were you have your middle Vent, and have them sucking air out of the engine compartment through some vents, I like your vent and would love to install it. These fans blow like there is no tomorow, and they take minimal power.

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Not only do you have the nicest fiero I have ever seen, This is one of the best pictures I have ever seen taken of a car. As with your car the attentionto detail shows.

Btw just noticed we have the same radio, could you give me some more info on the factory CD changer your using. Thanks.

Thanks. I taught photography for years so that helps.

The CD changer is available from any GM dealer. The radio can control either a 6 or 12 disc changer. I bought mine through Ebay for $85. The changer connects to a 9 pin socket on the back of the radio. You can see it in this picture near the center of the back.

This plug is not found on all Pontiac radios so be sure you have the correct radio before buying the CD changer. Be sure not to buy a 10 disc Delco changer. The 10 disc changer is not hard wired to the radio so the sound in not as good and you still would need a seperate CD control.

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Were did you get the Middle Vent? I need to work on getting my engine cooler, its too hot were I live. I have 3 fans that I wanna wire up under the section were you have your middle Vent, and have them sucking air out of the engine compartment through some vents, I like your vent and would love to install it. These fans blow like there is no tomorow, and they take minimal power.

You have not read carefully it was covered on page 1. lol I made the vent from a pair of GT engine vents. It was a very difficult piece to make. I spent more time on that than the engine window.

Now go back and read. There will be a test on the material tomorrow. J/K

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If you have a picture of the front compartment, I would love to see more on the placement of the CD changer. I'm getting ready to do my install as soon as I get adaptors. I also need the harness to go between the tape deck and the changer if you know any sources...

Sorry Songman it took a while to remember to take some pics for you. Here they are. If you have a sunroof you might have to move the sunroof storage mounts over to the right side slightly as we did in Vonnies car. I also had to slightly move the prop rod on her car to clear the changer.

I got my changer harness from a GM dealer. Be sure to get the one with the correct connectors. Sorry I don't remember the part number.

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