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The Official VR6 Engine Swap by bmwguru
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Holy shiznit! Look at that thing. Just incredible. Way to go you two.

And a little page ownage! Sweet!

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Holy shiznit! Look at that thing. Just incredible. Way to go you two.

And a little page ownage! Sweet!



Thank you!!!

I am so glad to have my car back...

Now, Dave has to change the oil and finish the interior and then...

I get to travel in it...

Can't wait... only problem I have is......

Where do I go first?


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Holy cow! Somebody grab the fire extinguisher, it's another Fiero fire!!!

Only two more words...

Hell. Yes.

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MFF Summer Drive-In 2009 [Saturday June 27th ~ Minneapolis]

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/076456.html

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Bump the pics to page 16 (see page 15 for more pics)








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Lookin GOOD!!! Absolutely worth the wait.


It's just like the owner...................one of a kind!

I think I need a ride in that.......................

HAGO!

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Since this car will be driven, you're wrapping it in a 3M clear bra, right?
(keep in mind, paint stays soft for 1 month after painting, attracts rock chips easier than later.)

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The car looks absolutely gorgeous!!!


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Anonymity,

Holy Carp! How tall are you? I can see at least a foot b/t the back of your seat and the firewall.. I don't think my seat's ever been anything bu all the way back against the wall, but then again, I'm 6'3" and 220lbs.. heh..

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Oh baby that is intense, bravo!

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I'm not a fan of murals on cars for the most part but yours looks good!

Things that burn blue:
copper compounds + chlorine producer
copper acetoarsenite (Paris Green), Cu3As2O3Cu(C2H3O2)2 = blue
copper (I) chloride, CuCl = turquoise blue

Is the rest of the car just black?

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I am a little over 5'2". Dave is 6'1" and doesn't have the seat all the way back.
The rest of the car is jet black.
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Paint came out nice. I like my murals to have a few more curves but it looks good for a chicks car
No really it looks great I bet you get a lot more attention.

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Rumor has it that the VR6 Fiero was driving through Pennsyl-tucky last evening. Since getting the car back, I haven't seen much of it or Joey
She is going to Delaware today for a drive to calculate the gas mileage. We are estimating around 28-30mpg. The car is very loud. I will be upgrading the exhaust, so that we won't get pulled over for it anymore. Still using a Magnaflow, but a little quieter this time.
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That's cool.

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Sweet. Cars are built to be driven, yes!

One question; Why weren't the flames extended down onto the lower sideskirts? It looks a bit uneven down there to me (but then, I do have OCD).

I really can't think of more appropriate looking wheels for that car, absolutely perfect in my eyes. What size tires did you go with, BTW?

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Sweet. Cars are built to be driven, yes!

One question; Why weren't the flames extended down onto the lower sideskirts? It looks a bit uneven down there to me (but then, I do have OCD).

I really can't think of more appropriate looking wheels for that car, absolutely perfect in my eyes. What size tires did you go with, BTW?



The car will be going back to the body shop for a few touch ups. The lower side skirts were already painted and cleared before the airbrushing was done. If I had known, I would have told them to sand the clear and airbrush it. The front markers are painted black, instead of the blue, so that will be getting redone. They also didn't assemble the door locks properly, so I will be redoing that part myself.
Other than that, the car is perfect. No orange peel or any imperfections in the black.
The tire size is exactly the same as yours...205/50ZR17 in the front and 235/45ZR17 in the rear.
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...so that we won't get pulled over for it anymore...
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Getting a little attention of the wrong kind?

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Getting a little attention of the wrong kind?


Not yet... But cops are eyeing it up... I just don't wanna deal with it...

So, I drive it easy, for the most part... Ok, we'll just say I keep the needle on the numbers... I just won't say which numbers...

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Yeah, I'm the one who got pulled over for loud exhaust.
After the trip, we calculated gas mileage to be 30.9mpg and that is while having fun with the go pedal
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what size and brand are those rims??
i really like them

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what size and brand are those rims??
i really like them


They are factory Volkswagen rims. 17x7
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guru that was some sick work with the motor swap man
one
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that paint job...
no offense man, but i almost barfed...

back on thread though
SICK ASS WORK MAN!

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guru that was some sick work with the motor swap man
one
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that paint job...
no offense man, but i almost barfed...

back on thread though
SICK ASS WORK MAN!


No offense taken. I believe Joey had added the Pegasus's to the hood to ensure that it would forever be a "chick's car" and then she would be the only one to drive it.
On Sunday, I replaced the entire exhaust to a quieter, smoother, more exotic sounding exhaust. The VR6 has one sexy exhaust note if the exhaust is tuned for the car.
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No offense taken. I believe Joey had added the Pegasus's to the hood to ensure that it would forever be a "chick's car" and then she would be the only one to drive it.

Dave


Versus you driving the gay one!

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Versus you driving the gay one!


LOL. I originally was going to name her car the "Flaming gay Fiero", but I figured I'd be nice. Joey is more like one of the guys than a typical chick. Personally, I do like the paint job. It is a one of a kind. We've had mixed opinions about the artwork, but Joey's opinion is all that matters in my book.
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LOL. I originally was going to name her car the "Flaming gay Fiero", but I figured I'd be nice. Joey is more like one of the guys than a typical chick. Personally, I do like the paint job. It is a one of a kind. We've had mixed opinions about the artwork, but Joey's opinion is all that matters in my book.
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Wait she may not like that lets try again

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That's just funny.

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I saw Joey out and about last Friday night at the Lukoil on Rt 9 and Sunnyside Dr. I don't think she recognized me as I've shaved my goatee and lost 50 lbs. Anywho, the car looks great guys, and sounds even better. Great job.

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I saw Joey out and about last Friday night at the Lukoil on Rt 9 and Sunnyside Dr. I don't think she recognized me as I've shaved my goatee and lost 50 lbs. Anywho, the car looks great guys, and sounds even better. Great job.

Tommy



That may have been me, but I'm not certain. Since then, I have completely rodone the exhaust system from the manifolds back. It was too loud and obnoxious. Now it is smooth and exotic sounding. Tommy, you should come by the shop. My L67 has been done for some time and I've logged many thousand trouble-free miles on it.

 
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That is very funny!

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It was definitely Joey. Maybe I'll come by the shop today. I have to run down to Shore Motorsports in Toms River to pick up some clamps. You're on the way back. Maybe I'll come in my german car.... It's a german Ford but german none the less. I'm eager to get a ride in a 3800 S/C Fiero.

See you later.

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(sniff, sob) 's beautiful, you guys! Absolutely stellar work...and Joey, I REALLY like the artwork design. The car looks radical without being cheesy. Way to go, both of you.

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The VR6 brought Joey for a visit today, and please let me tell you - you WANT a VR6 fiero. My initial impressions were that the car was quiet and refined. The swap is certainly cleanly done, but we knew that.

What I hope you get to hear one day is the exhaust note of this car under acceleration. At one point I actually just closed my eyes and listened to it. This, in my opinion, is EXACTLY what this car should sound like.

Nice job Dave & Joey!

Some pics (sorry Joey - I know it's got some road dust on it!) :









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Grabbed a few quick vids too.





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sabooo, thanks for the pics & vids!

That engine sounds awesome. Even better than before! Very throaty, and sports car like!!

BMWguru, could you take more pics of the car (if Joey lets it stand still long enough)?
Could you also take pictures of the engine with the plastic cover removed? The engine looks too great to cover it with plastic. (or you could have the shop airbrush it really cool)
Also, take pics of the new exhaust.

(artsy shots courtesy of www.motivemag.com)
Vr6-12v engine without cover:

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The Vr-6 24v looks even better (without cover), but that's a different animal altogether.





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The interesting thing about the VR 6 is that it is uses a unique cylinder spacing. The cylinders are angled ( spaced) only 10.5 to 15* apart. American engines are 60* and 90* but this one is 1/4 of the closest V6 engine cylinder spacing manufactured stateside. The other remarkable thing about this "V6" is that it uses only one cylinder head like a straight six. As such it has a straight six firing order.
All in all this is a very unusual swap that is bound to generate much controvery at every show that it appears at. It looks like it really goes well and it has looks to match. I'd like to know what its capable of in the 1/4 mile as that would be very interesting to see.

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also im pretty sure there an aluminum block,,,, 3.8 iron... the vr6 is a super light motor compared to how much power there capable of putting out.
ever think of doing a 1.8 t swap?

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They are a aluminum head and iron block. It is a pretty light engine. I would definitely concider swapping a 1.8t in the future, if a customer of the Haus desires.
On page one of this thread I have a pic of the VR6 with the head off to show the cylinder spacing. The engine's setup it what gives it the unique sound.
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Tell me what you think about the Mercedes OM642 engine. Would it be possible to bolt up to a VW tdi Trans?

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Tell me what you think about the Mercedes OM642 engine. Would it be possible to bolt up to a VW tdi Trans?



If the engine fits the Fiero engine compartment space; I'm sure that Dave can swap it in but knowing the amount of work that went into his car (oops her car) , you'd need a big bankroll to achieve that objective. This VR6 swap probably has 100's of hours of labor in it. IMO its not a practical swap but a custom one off creation that's a labor of love for someone who wanted something very different. Dave and Joeys VR6 Fiero is certainly a technological achievement and I doubt that we will ever see another one built like it. Now that this beautiful Fiero is finished, its time to show it off folks.

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" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

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