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The Turbo 3500 F23 swap by ericjon262
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Report this Post06-30-2012 11:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ericjon262Send a Private Message to ericjon262Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

New cam on the way, nothing insane, .496 lift, 210 duration @.050 should make for a fun little ride... I'll throw some springs and retainers on it while I'm there, and maybe port the heads, not sure yet though, I've heard the 3500 heads are easy to mess up...


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Hellyeah! page two....@!

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just realized I never posted pics of my front trans mount, so here they are.










along with some progress pics of the power steering kit.








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got the cam!

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don't know why I bother updating this thread, but here's a few pics of the power steering pump mount, and tensioner setup I've created.





every pulley except the waterpump and alternator has over 180 degrees of wrap, the crank is over 270, and the power steering pump is probably around 200. I'm working on an idler to get the alternator up to 180-200.

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Aww... don't say that.. I follow your threads..

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I'm reading the thread too

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power steering pump mount almost done, a little more welding, a trip to the blasting cab, and paint then it's done.



I was able to modify my belt routing and catch a bolt on the face of the block too.



and my intake clears the belt now too, if it clears the strut tower....

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I just ordered a set of LS7 Lifters that I'm going to try to retrofit into the 3500. the plan is to install the LS7 lifter's guts into the LX9's lifter body. I'll post pics as it happens.

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time for shift linkages!

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ok guys, as we can see, lots of progress today! the engine is in the car, the shift linkage is almost complete, and the turbo placement has been decided. I also ordered my a2w intercooler kit, and my fuel injectors today. I'm going to try to get the turbo piping complete this week. for now, I'm ditching the turbo headers I was going to build in favor of turbo grand prix manifolds ported to better suit my engine. I've got to get this car on the road in the next 2-3 months, which is going to be tough, so some corners may be cut, but hopefully everything will go as planned.

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Doing the same transmission swap and I´m interested in you clutch. What make is it?

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the clutch I have now is a centerforce dual friction, but I think I'm going to sell it and get something stouter, I'm starting to get more worried about slipping problems...

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Power steering pump clears everything as expected!





I am having clearance issues with throttle body flange and the decklid supports...



I think I may have a solution



yet another custom part! it's not done yet, it'll get trimmed back to match the LX9 TB flange, and the inner opening smoothed out.

I also made quite a bit of progress on my shifter mechanism.

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Got my intercooler and injectors!

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So did your clutch fit and spin freely or is the tranny still just bolted to the engine with nothing inbetween?

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So did your clutch fit and spin freely or is the tranny still just bolted to the engine with nothing inbetween?


still nothing, I'm going to drop the engine and trans to do final welding on the exhaust, and to install the cam and clutch. I did test fit the clutch kinda half assed a long time ago, and it looked like it would clear no problem.

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I'm working on a set of better lifters for the 60*, so I took 3 lifters apart today,

1 3400 lifter

1 "LS7" lifter

and

1 Comp Magnum SBC Lifter.

The Comp and the LS7 were nearly identical. I also found that if you machined the piston on the V8 lifters down a little bit, you could install them in the 60* and turn them into solid lifters.

Pics tomorrow

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I started porting a set of TGP manifolds today, more to come...

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Originally posted by ericjon262:

I'm working on a set of better lifters for the 60*, so I took 3 lifters apart today,

1 3400 lifter

1 "LS7" lifter

and

1 Comp Magnum SBC Lifter.

The Comp and the LS7 were nearly identical. I also found that if you machined the piston on the V8 lifters down a little bit, you could install them in the 60* and turn them into solid lifters.

Pics tomorrow


What's purportedly wrong with the stock roller lifters? Joshua tried the lifter modification provided by the 60 degree V6 store and had trouble with it. You may want to check with him about it.

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to say the spring in the stock lifters are weak would be an understatement, retro-fitting the LS7 springs should allow me to get close to 7000 RPMs, without any issues.

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to say the spring in the stock lifters are weak would be an understatement, retro-fitting the LS7 springs should allow me to get close to 7000 RPMs, without any issues.


I believe It's going to take a bit more than that to make it safe and solid for the 3500 to do 7k rpm routinely. Superdave on 60 degree took out rod bearings at least twice in his 3500 from what I recall and according to their lit.., GM did an enormous amount of work in flow, weight reduction and part strength from what I read to get the LS7 to do 7000 rpm. Keep in mind an LS7 lifter has to do more work weight and ratio wise (1.8:1) rockers than the 3500 lifters relatively speaking.

Just be sure you investigate this thoroughly as lifter spring strength also varies relative to the valve spring strength used not to mention how lifter pump up will affect/support the lifter spring. Just don't take any chances that can create problems is all I'm suggesting.

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well guys, I got a little bit more done, all the manifolds are secured, and I'm about to start my hot side piping, the car will be on the road very soon, within the next two months for sure, hopefully sooner. I want to drive this thing!

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well guys, not much to report, I've been making a diligent effort to get the wiring sorted out. I'm also waiting on parts... I did get the injectors installed, along with the 3400 fuel rail/regulator. I've also found a location for the ECM, but I'll need to make a splash guard for it. I also destroyed my lifters that I was going to modify in an attempt to clean them. so it looks as though the real deal will be on my 3500's lifters.

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Good luck with yoru build man! I love to see turbo Fieros! Since you are in Pcola, do you ever go to the swamp meet @ the Boardwalk in Oakaloosa? Maybe we could have a little run, eh?

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well guys, not much to report, I've been making a diligent effort to get the wiring sorted out. I'm also waiting on parts... I did get the injectors installed, along with the 3400 fuel rail/regulator. I've also found a location for the ECM, but I'll need to make a splash guard for it. I also destroyed my lifters that I was going to modify in an attempt to clean them. so it looks as though the real deal will be on my 3500's lifters.




Where are you going to mount your ECM? Thats one of the few things I still have to do on my 3400 swap

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Good luck with yoru build man! I love to see turbo Fieros! Since you are in Pcola, do you ever go to the swamp meet @ the Boardwalk in Oakaloosa? Maybe we could have a little run, eh?


we'll have to meet up for sure once this thing is on the road!
 
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Where are you going to mount your ECM? Thats one of the few things I still have to do on my 3400 swap


where the battery was, I'll make a shield to keep direct rain off of it but it should be fine as it's a weather resistant case.

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You may have covered this already, but what are you doing to make up for the fact that you are turning your power steering pump backwards?

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You may have covered this already, but what are you doing to make up for the fact that you are turning your power steering pump backwards?


it's a standard rotation pump, with a reverse rotation pulley.

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Lots of progress has been made on the car! wiring harness is close to 80% done, and tucked up nicely so almost none of it is visible! all that's left if to mate the engine harness to the car, wire in the o2 sensors, and knock sensor, and put a few terminals on. I've also moved several ugly wires that were lying around the engine bay, like the cruise control wires, the evap purge wires, and the trunk light wires. I also started putting the interior back together, the car has a radio again! I wish Issac hadn't dumped all that rain on my days off earlier this week, I'd be done with the harness if it hadn't.

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Pulled the EVAP purge, Cruise control, and trunk light wiring out of sight. all of which will still be functional, and no wired were left behind in the body panels!



I also started to make my intercooler tank stand-in.









tank drops in from above



fits like a glove



and re-carpeted



Should look something like this when complete:



just add Turbo, and a little more cleanup on the harness in the battery box area.
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Forgot to ask you about the clutch. You have a Centerforce dual friction clutch. Is it for Cavalier or something else? Did you have any clearance issues? I´m doing F23 and 3,4 DOHC swap and used Ram HD clutch for Fiero and had clearance issue which solved by taking a slight amount off from the transmission and three corners of the clutch. Planning also to add about 1 mm aluminum between the trans and engine. There is no touch at the moment but on operating temperature it could toch and this 1 mm could avoid it.
Do you still have the Thelin rear trans mount. I´m willing to buy it from you.
Keep on the good work and let us know the results.

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Forgot to ask you about the clutch. You have a Centerforce dual friction clutch. Is it for Cavalier or something else? Did you have any clearance issues? I´m doing F23 and 3,4 DOHC swap and used Ram HD clutch for Fiero and had clearance issue which solved by taking a slight amount off from the transmission and three corners of the clutch. Planning also to add about 1 mm aluminum between the trans and engine. There is no touch at the moment but on operating temperature it could toch and this 1 mm could avoid it.
Do you still have the Thelin rear trans mount. I´m willing to buy it from you.
Keep on the good work and let us know the results.


I sold the trans mount to Carbon already. I haven't tried the clutch yet, it's a fiero getrag Dual friction, we'll see when we get there.

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Turbo, knock sensor, and oil pressure sender installed/mounted today...



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I will NEVER buy an automatic Fiero and convert to a 5 speed again after installing the clutch line! but alas, it is in, and secure, all that needs to be done is to hook it up to the master and slave, bleed it and go!

in other news, I started the intercooler mounting, and I'll try to finish it tomorrow.

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well, I had the sway bar almost installed when I found out the mid bar clamps were the wrong size... addco support is getting me the right set of clamps free of charge though...

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Note the bolt holes.

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Report this Post09-16-2012 12:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ericjon262Send a Private Message to ericjon262Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

I built my coilover's last night, still need to repaint the struts, but otherwise, they're done!

have to say though, I wasn't to happy with the HT motorsports kit. the SAE bolts on a metric car, and I had to take one of the sleeves and use a sanding drum to get it to ride on the strut right... the other sleeve fit both fine...



then I pulled the dash to run some new wires. (shift light, cruise control, and intercooler fans relay trigger)

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since I had the dash out, I started prepping to be wrapped in some black vinyl I had laying around. just the top part. I'll get some pics and post them up later.

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