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Woohoo My 3800sc Swap! by IanT720
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Colossal Update! I finished my drivers side coolant tubing and heater hose... topped it up with coolant... loomed the wires... and tightened the wheel lugs I don't have insurance on it yet so I just took it for a spin in the un-finished subdivision behind my house.... Whoa! The most throttle I gave it was 1/4 and that baby just took off and flew I took her for a nice cruise, I cant wait till she can stretch her legs a bit, because man that was just nice! however the throttle did stuck a bit, YIKES! I hit the brake, popped it in neutral and shut it off... fwew... I need to get her aligned badly, and of course the exhaust set up... But I'm so happy I got this far Thank you all!
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Update- I just got her re-insured and had my buddy come over to check it out, I took it on the street and gave her some juice, damn it just ripped... so awesome ... gave her, her first tank of gas! The rear alignment is still pretty messed up so she was a little shakey, I have an appointment at 10:00 Monday... Now the bad bad news... As I dropped my friend off at his house, I backed it out of the drive way... It started to not go anywhere, then I looked forward out the wind shield and saw the cause... It must have blew a line and puked out all the tranny fluid!!! I tugged at the rubber lines but neither was loose? So hard line I guess.... Great. The trans didn't make any noise so I think she's okay... It could have been way worse, if I was cruising it would have burned up, this way he said I can fix it there, anytime I want, also he's about a mile from my house... all in all pretty fortunate... we pushed it off to the side and I snapped a quick pic before walking home.... guess I know what I'm doing tomorrow!

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I try not to use hose clamps on pressure lines. For all your vital fluids, I prefer getting proper lines made and using AN or NPT fittings. Some may say its overkill, but the chances of what is pictured above happening, are far less.

Edit, oh yeah, congradulations on getting it running. Its such a good feeling, yeah?

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I try not to use hose clamps on pressure lines. For all your vital fluids, I prefer getting proper lines made and using AN or NPT fittings. Some may say its overkill, but the chances of what is pictured above happening, are far less.

Edit, oh yeah, congradulations on getting it running. Its such a good feeling, yeah?



Don't think it blew at the clamps lol, I tugged at them and they seem connected, so I think it must be the hard line!? Thanks... Yeah it's awesome, such a good feeling
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Update- I spent the morning under my car at my buddies house, since it was stranded there lol... Anyway My transmission line did not poop off but actually split open after the clamp, about a 2 1/2 inch split!!! It sprayed fluid all over... I cut the line down and double clamped it using fuel injector clamps, topped it up with fluid another 45 bucks :/ and I drover home, no leaks, no problems .... However like I said it split open after the clamp, and I do not want this to ever happen again. Should I use the rubber line but with compression fittings? Or use braided line? If I use braided line 5/16 how will it fit over the trans fitting 3/8? Looking for ideas, thanks! Also here's a pic of the section of hose I cut off....
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ian did u have to cut ur trunk?
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ian did u have to cut ur trunk?


I did not and don't plan too, but I also don't have an exhaust system yet ... My buddy works at an exhaust shop so I will get a quote sometime next week... I just plan to straight pipe it from the manifold to a Y pipe, then go from 2.5 to 2.25 out of each side, and just use resonator tips.... So what I think will happen, is the 3800 has a nice rumbly idle... Dare I say pretty V8 ish.... I dig it, plus with the resonator tips, it will make it slightly higher pitch, and quiet it a little... So it might sound more exotic? I'm just doing the cheapest route for now.
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No offense intended - really. I have a 3800, and they are LOUD. The short exhaust coming right out the back will make for a very loud and over time uncomfortable ride. You might be okay with it, but in the event you take on a passenger of a different gender, they might not.

Just food for thought.

BTW, my spouse's only complaint about my Fiero before I put the Flowmaster on it was it was too loud. I had two cherry-bomb type mufflers in a "y" configuration, and resonator tips. It started out sort of quiet, but not really, and got louder as teh exhaust aged. Driving the car on long trips became unbearable with the loud exhaust.
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No offence taken at all, it's good to hear input... It's not really that I want it loud, it's more that I need it legal ish, so I can get a job... I have pretty much no money so it's more of loud is cheap... Quiet more expensive... In time I will redo it, just need something quick and cheap for now... I had open headers on my 350 Trans am, yeah the drone really sucked... And my girlfriend thought she was going to die when it backfired (pretty funny I thought)... So I know exactly what you mean, just like I said... Cheap is loud...
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Update- I used a 5/16 to 3/8 compression to 3/8 barb on the Fiero Hard line for the transmission.... It was kind of a pain because I had to grind off a little of the metal surface to get the compression nut on it... Well now I can run 3/8 hose, much better then stretching the 5/16 hose to fit... Seems to work great, took it for a spin around the block... No leaks dare I say problem solved? I have my 10:00 appointment at the alignment shop, so I will see how that goes... Its a local shop that has stellar reviews and they only want $65 for a 4 wheel alignment I just cant wait to take some corners now, already I can feel how much tighter, and more solid it feels... Ford door strikers, Poly, 18's, and Lowered FTW! Here's the fittings I used..... Will update how the alignment goes, I'm pretty nervous...
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I did not and don't plan too, but I also don't have an exhaust system yet ... My buddy works at an exhaust shop so I will get a quote sometime next week... I just plan to straight pipe it from the manifold to a Y pipe, then go from 2.5 to 2.25 out of each side, and just use resonator tips.... So what I think will happen, is the 3800 has a nice rumbly idle... Dare I say pretty V8 ish.... I dig it, plus with the resonator tips, it will make it slightly higher pitch, and quiet it a little... So it might sound more exotic? I'm just doing the cheapest route for now.


ah i plan on turbo so i think im gonna have to just wondering if i should just cut it out now so i can easily paint the frame behind it..... omg i got like 10 yrs b4 i am done
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If and when I go turbo, I would defintly cut the trunk makes life so much easier... Check out Nosrac's thread he's got a good turbo build! Haha it's easy once you get going, once you pull the engine... It goes quick!
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Update- just got her back from the alignment shop... Wow I cannot say enough good about Mezur Auto in Hamburg, MI.... The guys are so nice, and it's the nicest cleanest shop I ever went too... The have a mini fridge full of pop! Alright from the beginning... I noticed my at leaving coolant on the ground, overflow tank was overflowing... From a bad radiator cap, I figured I was fine to drive 2 miles to the shop but I guess I lost more than I thought... The temp light came on right outside the shop, so I just rolled up and killed it... All the guys from the shop swamped my car, asking all about it... Pretty cool I thought I told them about the cap, and they fixed it right there before putting it on the rack! And topped it up for free! New customer perk! They were super careful with it, and it took about an hour... They let me know what's wrong with the front but I just wanted the rear aligned, I don't have camber bolts and it didn't matter, they didn't try to screw me a bit! One guy slipped with the sensor and made a hairline scratch on my rim, and immediately pointed it out to me, and even offered to buy me the paint to fix it! I declined but that was nice, the guy took it for a spin, and was super easy on it... Over all cost me 65 bucks for a fantastic service... Returning for sure! She drives fantastic now!
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Just couldn't resist... here is some pictures as she sits now
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I've been following your buildup, and a nice job it is! But, I noticed that the pass. side coolant hose tee and associated fittings appear to be plastic. You may want to keep a careful eye on them, since they are likely not rated for water temps. that they will be seeing in an automotive application. The white reducer is PVC and designed for cold water only. The others look like they are poly pipe barbed fittings, and they too are usually rated for cold water supply in a home. They may work just fine, just be careful, your almost finished and don't need a sudden coolant loss!
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I've been following your buildup, and a nice job it is! But, I noticed that the pass. side coolant hose tee and associated fittings appear to be plastic. You may want to keep a careful eye on them, since they are likely not rated for water temps. that they will be seeing in an automotive application. The white reducer is PVC and designed for cold water only. The others look like they are poly pipe barbed fittings, and they too are usually rated for cold water supply in a home. They may work just fine, just be careful, your almost finished and don't need a sudden coolant loss!


Thank you, I've been wondering the same thing, I have developed a slight coolant leak under the drivers side T... I haven't driven it enough to be at a constant operating temperature but thanks for the heads up... Brass then??
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I wouldnt use that hose at all for trans line... I have had that same line just spontaneously explode on me more than a few times now... Get some real deal high pressure line of some sort.
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I wouldnt use that hose at all for trans line... I have had that same line just spontaneously explode on me more than a few times now... Get some real deal high pressure line of some sort.


It is high pressure hydraulic line 3/8's... What do you recommend?
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Oh, I was just going by what you had above, which looked like some just normal braided trans line which is usually rated for like 40psi or something.

I havent really found anything to replace the stuff I have ruined, except for some of this super cool kevlar hose I get from pegasus racing. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3290

I use it for a few other things....
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Ohh that is pretty neat!
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I wouldnt use that hose at all for trans line... I have had that same line just spontaneously explode on me more than a few times now... Get some real deal high pressure line of some sort.


Just curious. How many Psi are in the trans lines?
I rigged mine up with hose clamps and transmission hose. I ran hose all the way up to the front as I did a manual to auto swap. I planned on converting them to hard lines this winter. They lasted like 6 1/4 mile passes in the super heat we had this summer.
I was just wondering?
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Just curious. How many Psi are in the trans lines?
I rigged mine up with hose clamps and transmission hose. I ran hose all the way up to the front as I did a manual to auto swap. I planned on converting them to hard lines this winter. They lasted like 6 1/4 mile passes in the super heat we had this summer.
I was just wondering?


I thought it was around 50 psi? So you would think Trans line should handle the pressure...
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They have, but I wouldn't rely on them if you plan to race it or at least be dependable. I just got lucky I think. Like I said, I do plan on swapping the rubber out this winter. I did have a heater core line pop on me the other day, so its down for the season.
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Needs some diffrent side scoops/intakes, and if you do the rally concept throw on fiero mudflaps.
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They have, but I wouldn't rely on them if you plan to race it or at least be dependable. I just got lucky I think. Like I said, I do plan on swapping the rubber out this winter. I did have a heater core line pop on me the other day, so its down for the season.


Thanks for the tip, I will just plan it out
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Needs some diffrent side scoops/intakes, and if you do the rally concept throw on fiero mudflaps.


Of course! I was just thinking about running the normal side scoops, maybe some fender flares... I was thinking about mudflaps the other day, it would be a perfect idea... I think some molded plastic ones might be cooler, like from an evo or something
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its something I've always wanted on my fiero, just not to that point or anywhere near it.
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I gotcha, it would be cool, give it a lower slung look... Goodluck!
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Just curious. How many Psi are in the trans lines?
I rigged mine up with hose clamps and transmission hose. I ran hose all the way up to the front as I did a manual to auto swap. I planned on converting them to hard lines this winter. They lasted like 6 1/4 mile passes in the super heat we had this summer.
I was just wondering?


I am running roughly double the pressure you would see in a normal trans... but I would plan for 100psi myself... The stock wide open shifts could see 80-90psi in the trans, and any restrictions in the lines could present more.... Mine is 150+ during wot shifting.
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Wow! Had no clue, thanks!
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Update- Today after learning the plastic T's I used to bypass some coolant to the heater core were a bad idea due to not being able to handle the heat or pressure... I went to the hardware store and whipped up this bad boy! It's bigger an heavier then I want but does the job perfect... I just bought 1 to see how it worked out, I'm going to get the second one tomorrow... about 20 bucks each... Now onto other news, when I went to the awesome mechanics shop he recommended a guy who works out of his house fabricating exhaust systems! The guy doesn't take on new customers since it's mostly custom work... however I was referred from the manager of the shop, so I'm in! I'm driving there tomorrow, couple miles from my house and he said he could throw it on the lift and get me a quote I ran out of money fro the most part, so I'm just going to run a single outlet I think... When I get a job I will re-do it, just need something cheap and functional for now... wish me luck!
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Here's some fun pictures, these are from the original craigslist listing... searched through couple thousand emails... thought you guys might enjoy what it started as.... Its cool to see how much I've fixed and changed on it
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Update- I just replaced both of my plastic T's with these big ass metal pipe ones, so far holding the pressure and no leaks just used a lot of loctite... I had to modify the hoses a lot since they are twice the size as the plastic ones, I even had to buy new heater hose lines... Oh well, it was totally worth it... Plus they're shiny hopefully I will get a quote on my exhaust tomorrow... We'll see b
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Bump- Ran into a problem... My car sounds and runs like it has a major cam at low or idle RPM's, I think its the O2 sensor since before that happened I washed the engine while it was hot.... Dang.... Anyway Thanks to BlackEmrald for creating this paint job for me, I finally got to snap a picture of the GT in Forza! Those Fikse rims are so close to mine too
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I went to the hardware store and whipped up this bad boy! It's bigger an heavier then I want but does the job perfect...!


I Used this....
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Thanks for telling me now! that woulda been nice!
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Oh, I was just going by what you had above, which looked like some just normal braided trans line which is usually rated for like 40psi or something.

I havent really found anything to replace the stuff I have ruined, except for some of this super cool kevlar hose I get from pegasus racing. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3290

I use it for a few other things....


Hey dark I was being dumb I meant just the standard nylon Trans hose... Anyway it struck again :/ I was going to a party last night for the unveiling of my car... Halfway there I heard a pssss noise, my Trans started acting funny so I knew immediately what happened... I had to wait 2 hours freezing for AAA to come with a flatbed for me... I'm defintly going with that Kevlar line... Thanks! Could you use compression fittings to connect it so there is no clamps? Even though the clamps have always worked for me, sick of buying new fluid...
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