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3800 Turbo Build by nosrac
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Looks like you are going to be making more boost than anybody on here....

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Nosrac,
Interesting, did mustangs make that exhaust setup, is that log on the front side bought or built? I see your turbo flange in there, what are you planning to do to support the turbocharger that thing is quite large. I am interested to see how this thread comes along and what you wind up with as far as installation and final performance. It certainly looks good aside from the bits already mentioned. That intake looks very nice. Are you planning to just use the transmission you are already using or will you be upgrading before you install? Post as many pics as you can...peace

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I don't have anything to do with his turbo built. The exhaust is a ZZP power log with a ported front manifold that has been coated. The exhaust piece coming off the trunk was bought off E-bay if I remember right. The turbo has a support bracket underneath it for support. Nosrac can fill in what I missed....
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Oh sorry man I was under the impression you were building this setup for him in your shop.... Thanks for the info tho. It is looking pretty good so far. Peace

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Where is the wastegate going?

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Where is the wastegate going?



Going to the xceed bbq saturday?

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Going to the xceed bbq saturday?



Nope. Motorstadt IX (Michigan VW Enthusiasts) is the same day and I will be working my a** off at that show.

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Oh sorry man I was under the impression you were building this setup for him in your shop.... Thanks for the info tho. It is looking pretty good so far. Peace

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I was supposed to be but had several other cars in front on his and he wanted it done by July so he is using his old mechanic..I agree the swap is looking good so far and will be very nice when complete..
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Where is the wastegate going?



In the x-over pipe bend before the rear manifold connection. It should make a good dump to the exhaust. Also changing springs will be easy peasy.
I think this is how DH mounted his.
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I don't have anything to do with his turbo built. The exhaust is a ZZP power log with a ported front manifold that has been coated. The exhaust piece coming off the trunk was bought off E-bay if I remember right. The turbo has a support bracket underneath it for support. Nosrac can fill in what I missed....


I don't like that Turbo downpipe from ebay. I'll use it until I can finish the exhaust design as the engine needs to be in the car for measurments so I know what I'm working with.
I have several ideas but need to see how things will line up. I'll take a better pics of the support brackets as I do like what he came up with.
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Looks like you are going to be making more boost than anybody on here....


Let me guess, It is because you don't see a wastegate?
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Let me guess, It is because you don't see a wastegate?


Infinite boost.

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Originally posted by Justinbart:

Get that ugly alternator moved.


I know right as I plan to get this low mount setup when I upgrade the trans.
Mstangs tried it before with the low mount with the dog bone in stock location it didn't work out so well because I have the Fiero Addiction brackets that alow for the alt in stock location without notching decklid.

Any suggestions on where to get a low mount setup like this?



 
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and the supercharger tensioner bits.


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get the welder and sawzall out... Its simple enough.
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I think something like that can be done used with the 97/98 style Alt that has the big song style mouting piece off it. I have seen it used before and will see if I can find the picture of it being used. I remember it mountain straight to the head then a lower bracket is built.
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That looks familiar, personally I would go with the older style alt like mustang says. Easier to mount up. couple spacers and a bracket n its done. The dog bone mount is just made using a hiem joint, flat stock bent in a U shape and welded to the cradle, the other is a plate with a stud welded to the back side and drilled for power steering holes. I had a couple spacers made that bolt to the head that space the alt out and hold the tensioner pulley spaced out right. The guy I had make them has 1 more on his shelf I think. He charged me 75 ea. though.

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Do you guys see any clearence issues with the FriendOfYours low mount setup? I can't tell until I measure with actual part.
I was attempting to buy "kit" parts for proven bolt-on without issues but the mechanic is proving to be a pretty good Fabricator.
This will at least give him the right Idea and I think he can go from there.
Some other low mounts put the Alt very low which I think would interfere with the Turbo.



Shot of where I think the Low mount should go but not exactly sure how it mounts.



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what size of pulley are you going to run?

( <--- runs from thread giggling...)
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Originally posted by blakeinspace:

what size of pulley are you going to run?

( <--- runs from thread giggling...)


The almighty 3.0...and you know this....man !

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The biggest problem with the low mount over there is usually plug wire related
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The biggest problem with the low mount over there is usually plug wire related


The plug wire is close but if you use an angle plug there are not issues. Kinda of a pain to put it on but not that bad....
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The plug wire is close but if you use an angle plug there are not issues. Kinda of a pain to put it on but not that bad....


Where can I buy it as I haven't seen one.
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Where can I buy it as I haven't seen one.


Buy what? Angles plug? I am pretty sure that is what your car already has on it....Been a while but that is what I normally use...
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Never seen me one of those new fangled things you call angle plugs. Must be hard to thread in and a little longer than normal to miss the head turning it in. All kidding aside I know you meant angled plug wire. To those who say its hard to get a plug wire on look at the pic I posted. Easy enough for me.
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Never seen me one of those new fangled things you call angle plugs. Must be hard to thread in and a little longer than normal to miss the head turning it in. All kidding aside I know you meant angled plug wire. To those who say its hard to get a plug wire on look at the pic I posted. Easy enough for me.


Pretty easy if you use a hammer and have good aim......
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Am I missing something? I looked at the pics of the turbo mount several times and all I can see is the flange welded to the header piping and not much else? I was expecting some kinda rod or bar going to the block or something like that after all the hubub surrounding the similar setup on one of Darkhorizon's builds.... Not sure any of it is necessary as I have never built such a thing (YET) but I would personally have fabbed up some sorta mount support. What kinda gaskets do you use if any between the turbo flange and the turbo? It is looking good man and I can't wait to see it shoehorned into the car and ripping up the strip for ya....hehe peace

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Am I missing something? I looked at the pics of the turbo mount several times and all I can see is the flange welded to the header piping and not much else? I was expecting some kinda rod or bar going to the block or something like that after all the hubub surrounding the similar setup on one of Darkhorizon's builds.... Not sure any of it is necessary as I have never built such a thing (YET) but I would personally have fabbed up some sorta mount support. What kinda gaskets do you use if any between the turbo flange and the turbo? It is looking good man and I can't wait to see it shoehorned into the car and ripping up the strip for ya....hehe peace

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There is a support that is under the turbo but not in the pictures...It will be supported by a brace along with bolted/welded on to the manifold.....
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The turbo is not really all that heavy.... The factory exhaust system hangs off there and that is only a 2 bolt flange.
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Am I missing something? I looked at the pics of the turbo mount several times and all I can see is the flange welded to the header piping and not much else? I was expecting some kinda rod or bar going to the block or something like that after all the hubub surrounding the similar setup on one of Darkhorizon's builds.... Not sure any of it is necessary as I have never built such a thing (YET) but I would personally have fabbed up some sorta mount support. What kinda gaskets do you use if any between the turbo flange and the turbo? It is looking good man and I can't wait to see it shoehorned into the car and ripping up the strip for ya....hehe peace

Pete


There will be a brace under the turbo going to the block. I did not get a good pic the first time and the second time I attempted a pic the mechanic had it off as he was making another one.

I promise I will get some good pics of it as it looks real good. I don't think I really need it but it definetly won't hurt. The turbo is NOT as heavy as the Holset's and them seem to be holding up fine with NO additional bracing.

BAD pics of bracket



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It looks to be shaping up man... What is the story with the exhaust setup there, is that braided piece going to just dump out or is there more to it than that? Can hardly see the bracketry for the turbo but I think I get the jist of it from the pics. That is gonna be a real monster when you get it all dialed in. Does the guy doing the install for you know these motors and tuning them in the fiero real good or are you going to be doing that yourself? Are those injector logs ZZP? What do you think the time frame is on this monster? Gonna have it done by the summer's end? It sure will be nice to have another fast fiero around here to learn from. Thanks for sharing the pictures and progress updates. Peace

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I found one....LOL
There will be two brackets one on each Nut....


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That turbo drain line is going to have a hard time once the trans is in the way. I don't think there is enough space to do that. I ended up running a scavenge pump and feeding it into the front of the pan. Looking good though.

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It looks to be shaping up man... What is the story with the exhaust setup there, is that braided piece going to just dump out or is there more to it than that? Can hardly see the bracketry for the turbo but I think I get the jist of it from the pics. That is gonna be a real monster when you get it all dialed in. Does the guy doing the install for you know these motors and tuning them in the fiero real good or are you going to be doing that yourself? Are those injector logs ZZP? What do you think the time frame is on this monster? Gonna have it done by the summer's end? It sure will be nice to have another fast fiero around here to learn from. Thanks for sharing the pictures and progress updates. Peace

Pete


I was seriously thinking about attaching a ricer fart can on the end of this ebay exhaust downpipe.... J/K

This exhaust is only for mock up as I purchased some mandrel bends and a straight through muffler. However, the engine needs to be in the car for proper mock up and placement.

I plan on routing only to one exhaust tip and just put the other tip on for symmetry but it won't be connected to anything.

I will be doing the tuning and I got that in the bag

Yes, ZZP logs

Should be done in a few weeks, if I quit buying sh!t and having to wait on snail mail.
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Originally posted by LFiero67:

That turbo drain line is going to have a hard time once the trans is in the way. I don't think there is enough space to do that. I ended up running a scavenge pump and feeding it into the front of the pan. Looking good though.



Didn't even see that one comming so I guess that will be an oh sh!t moment when they try to mount the trans.

I though Justin had his routed like that? DUH...5 speed

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just a sugestion !! why not get a L26 aluminum oil pan and use the 3800 oil level indicator plug in the oil pan as your oil return from turbo !! It will be on fire wall side away fro trans !

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just a sugestion !! why not get a L26 aluminum oil pan and use the 3800 oil level indicator plug in the oil pan as your oil return from turbo !! It will be on fire wall side away fro trans !



Hmmmm
Does the L26 pan have larger capacity? As I can just move the return plug to the fire wall side now.
I wanted to use gravity drain for reliability but I may need to get a scavenge pump.
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just a sugestion !! why not get a L26 aluminum oil pan and use the 3800 oil level indicator plug in the oil pan as your oil return from turbo !! It will be on fire wall side away fro trans !



Its good practice to return the oil above the oil level in the pan, with a constant down slope the entire way. Draining it to the front would have to go uphill and would flow into the bottom of the pan.
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just a sugestion !! why not get a L26 aluminum oil pan and use the 3800 oil level indicator plug in the oil pan as your oil return from turbo !! It will be on fire wall side away fro trans !



Cause the oil would not drain and cause it to back up into the turbo and make a smoke show...Oil level sensor hole is not high enough. Also the steel oil.pans have the same sensor..
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Originally posted by RULOOKIN:

just a sugestion !! why not get a L26 aluminum oil pan and use the 3800 oil level indicator plug in the oil pan as your oil return from turbo !! It will be on fire wall side away fro trans !



decent, but there are better options...

 
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Its good practice to return the oil above the oil level in the pan, with a constant down slope the entire way. Draining it to the front would have to go uphill and would flow into the bottom of the pan.


Mine has had a slight up slope for years now and I have never had an issue. I never ran a restrictor either.

A alum pan will let you fish it around the diff cover without much problem I am switching to alum soon on my race car for better oil pump related things.
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Just like the aluminum better i assume you can drill and tap a hole much easier in aluminum anywhere you want !!
aluminum oil pan is what i used on my 3800sc build and no mods needed to fit with PR or fieroX mounts and the aluminum pan has a built in windage tray as the L67 one is part of the gasget ! aluminum pan no gasget needed just RTV ....
you will need the L26 oil pick up if you go this route !

Nice build you have going on !
also noticed in another thread you are looking for a dog bone idea !! NO DOG BONE


this mount is welded to the cradle only and blots to the block in 2 places at the center of the crank, Nice and tight looks a bit messy but, was cleaned up and painted, no interfearance of AC pump or any other things,
here is another pic before i welded it in place as you can see i used a 1985 gas engine strut mount with the 1 by 1 square bar it was all bolted for fitment the welded !

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