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3800 Turbo Build by nosrac
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Remember that every time you increase your off boost power you are most likely increasing spool times.
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Changing up my electronic boost controller settings really helped spool on my car. I used to set it for xx psi and once it got into boost, it would bleed off the wastegate or whatever so that it would finally reach peak boost. Now I have it set so that it basically keeps the wastegate closed the entire time until its close to target and then opens up the gate.
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Increasing torque generally reduces spool time. Not sure how increasing mass flow could possibly slow turbo spooling?

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Electronic controller, properly setup definately helps as well.
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Remember that every time you increase your off boost power you are most likely increasing spool times.


That doesn't make any since. More power = more burned fuel = more exhaust energy = more spool.

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That doesn't make any since. More power = more burned fuel = more exhaust energy = more spool.



Assuming that more exhaust energy comes of more power... Which it doesnt...

Power to the crankshaft has little to nothing to do with the amount of air/energy going into the exhaust.... It just happens to relate fairly well.
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Everything I've ever read and experienced says that your statements are wrong. More air + more fuel = more exhaust mass, quicker spool. Cutting timing also works, but raises EGT, and can cause engine and turbine damage if not controlled. I only have the timing cut in a few cells, right where I am on the two-step for track use. Other than that I run L36 type timing until its in boost.

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statements are wrong. More air + more fuel = more exhaust mass


My only statement is "power to crankshaft does not relate to exhaust energy"... This assumes the same amount of air and fuel within some degree, because you can make or not make alot of power given your air fuel ratio and timing.
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Yeah yeah yeah........betcha I can smoke your ass in my badass 2.8 auto stocker man.....choo gots nothing maign.....hehehe peace

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Well, I found the source of my low vacuum...A big azz hole in the vac line to my MAP sensor. Yesterday it was -8 down to -2 today it is .1

The mechanic zip tied it down and it looks like the added clamping pressure and the heat made it split.

I always think it is my tune because that is what I recently changed but more often than NOT it is a mechanical issue.
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So you haven't boost leak checked it then. hmmm.

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So you haven't boost leak checked it then. hmmm.



Car was leak checked. But as you know driving it makes issues appear like magic.
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If I had to use 2 Words to describe my Turbo Fiero it would be:


Violent Acceleration....


If I were to translate that 2 text:


ZOMFG
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COME ON !!!!!!

Please elaborate.....for those of us that can only dream about a ride like yours

How do you compare it to your old set up ?

If you ride bikes.... how does it compare to riding a sport bike ?

I am looking forward to your videos racing some cool cars
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Originally posted by nosrac:

If I had to use 2 Words to describe my Turbo Fiero it would be:


Violent Acceleration....


If I were to translate that 2 text:


ZOMFG


Getting it dialed in it sounds like....
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Originally posted by nosrac:

If I had to use 2 Words to describe my Turbo Fiero it would be:


Violent Acceleration....


If I were to translate that 2 text:


ZOMFG



Oh hell no! You got to give us more info that that Bro! You know I am dying to pull the trigger on my turbo 3800. Let me live vicariously, albeit temporarily, thru you!

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HEHEHE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST........!!!!!!! That is all.

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Originally posted by nosrac:

If I had to use 2 Words to describe my Turbo Fiero it would be:


Violent Acceleration....


If I were to translate that 2 text:
ZOMFG



Stop being a pusy and put the blower back on,

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Stop being a pusy and put the blower back on,


Shouldn't there be 2 S's?


 
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COME ON !!!!!!

Please elaborate.....for those of us that can only dream about a ride like yours

How do you compare it to your old set up ?

If you ride bikes.... how does it compare to riding a sport bike ?

I am looking forward to your videos racing some cool cars


Old SC setup was Blazing Fast in First gear. I could out accelerate a Nissan GTR from the light and set fire to the tires for an awesome smoke show.
It was very very fun to drive on the street as I could go sideways and straighten her back up for a quick thrill.
Boost was pretty much instantaneous as I always had power in any gear and when I hammered it and the trans downshifted it was like rocket boost.
If I had drag radials I would have easily run an 11 as I could have launched a 1.6 60'.
However, in the middle of second you could feel the pull let up. That's when the low 11, and 10 sec super cars would start to run me down in the 1/4 mile.

The new turbo setup is NOT fast off the line or fast period off boost as it feels like a 2.8 with a TH125C auto.
However, when the boost comes in very smooth, the acceleration increases which is totally different than a SC.
The SC acceleration was constant until middle of second and then it fell off.
With the Turbo, the acceleration rate increases and I haven't felt it fall off, which keeps you planted in the seat.
This effect is even more pronounced when you turn up the boost, as it keeps pulling harder.

from a start 10 to 100 it's wicked insane velocity. A Hayabusa ain't Got $h!t on me.
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Originally posted by nosrac:
The new turbo setup is NOT fast off the line or fast period off boost as it feels like a 2.8 with a TH125C auto.
However, when the boost comes in very smooth, the acceleration increases which is totally different than a SC.
The SC acceleration was constant until middle of second and then it fell off.
With the Turbo, the acceleration rate increases and I haven't felt it fall off, which keeps you planted in the seat.
This effect is even more pronounced when you turn up the boost, as it keeps pulling harder.

from a start 10 to 100 it's wicked insane velocity. A Hayabusa ain't Got $h!t on me.



At what RPM do you start to build boost ?

How many lbs of boost are you running now ?


This is only my opinion... but if " a Hayabusa ain't got $hit on you"

your car sir... is what I would call "STUPID" fast

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Not stupid fast, ludicrous speed. Or has he gone plaid?
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At what RPM do you start to build boost ?

How many lbs of boost are you running now ?


This is only my opinion... but if " a Hayabusa ain't got $hit on you"

your car sir... is what I would call "STUPID" fast

I start boosting @2k with like 1 lbs and around 3K starts the crazy plaid acceleration...Although I don't think it is fully spooled yet.

The Turbo is set for @ 11 psi. For reference my 3800SC was 11 psi when I ran the 12.01.

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I thought my car was fast at 14 before I changed map sensors. Once I got to 18, whole new ball game, 20+ scares unsuspecting passengers.
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Ok, I feel like you are the dumb kid in class that writes a book report after spending 10 minutes reading the first and last 10 pages of the book..

Get some real boost in that thing, put antilag on, and quit being such a pansy. To say that your SC car HAD boost in first gear... and WAS fun... is completely irrelevant as your turbo can make more power at lower rpm, make more torque, and be GOBS faster from 0-10 mph.....

Keep in mind that my turbo is significantly larger than yours, my converter is the same, and my brakes suck... but I have no problems saying I am faster 0-10mph than any m90 powered car in the world.

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This is only my opinion... but if " a Hayabusa ain't got $hit on you"


I didnt start passing busa's till I was around 21psi... They are pretty darn fast little buggers.
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I thought my car was fast at 14 before I changed map sensors. Once I got to 18, whole new ball game, 20+ scares unsuspecting passengers.


What MAP are you using now? Is it a 3 bar?
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Ok, I feel like you are the dumb kid in class that writes a book report after spending 10 minutes reading the first and last 10 pages of the book..

Get some real boost in that thing, put antilag on, and quit being such a pansy. To say that your SC car HAD boost in first gear... and WAS fun... is completely irrelevant as your turbo can make more power at lower rpm, make more torque, and be GOBS faster from 0-10 mph.....

Keep in mind that my turbo is significantly larger than yours, my converter is the same, and my brakes suck... but I have no problems saying I am faster 0-10mph than any m90 powered car in the world.




LOL...U Quack me up...

I had a turbo car for like 1 week, give me a break...sheech..

Also, when did you run < 1.5 60' as a few M90 cars do it on the regular.

For the record dumb kids don't read books they just blindly copy.

Yeah, I only read the 1st page and the summary to write my report but can't a Kid be happy with his new toy and share?

So when I tear up my transmission from +20lbs boost are you going to make it rain on a built trans 4 me....
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Also, when did you run < 1.5 60' as a few M90 cars do it on the regular.

F


That's what I want to know. All i've seen is him struggling to get below 2.0 60'

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That's what I want to know. All i've seen is him struggling to get below 2.0 60'



I dont care to go fast from a stop... its way too scary for me.

 
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So when I tear up my transmission from +20lbs boost


My stock one held fine.
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I dont care to go fast from a stop... its way too scary for me.


 
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Get some real boost in that thing, put antilag on, and quit being such a pansy.


Take your own advise and man up....LOL
Bust off a 1.45 60' stay in it the WHOLE way and quit being a lil Biotch! and Maybe just Maybe you can run a nine before I do...
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I'm pretty sure dh just got his car back running after a little nap, he might click of a nine soon, who knows. As far as my map, I don't run obd2 so I needed a 3 bar for the computer to be happy.

But really, 11psi?
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I'm pretty sure dh just got his car back running after a little nap, he might click of a nine soon, who knows. As far as my map, I don't run obd2 so I needed a 3 bar for the computer to be happy.

But really, 11psi?


Yeah, its going to be in norwalk in 2 weeks.
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Rumor has it Lfiero67 ran a 10.2..I think Dark has got some competition...Hope the POS wagon with shitty brakes can run a good time..

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I dont remember seeing one, are you running an oil cooler?

Also, how about a friendly grudge match... you and me best ET & MPH... $1 winner takes all?

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Originally posted by nosrac:


Did I forget to mention that I NOT only will have the Fastest trapping Fiero but also the cleanest Turbo swap too?
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I think I got ya beat there too!


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I dont remember seeing one, are you running an oil cooler?

Also, how about a friendly grudge match... you and me best ET & MPH... $1 winner takes all?



Deal.

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Deal.




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Awesome! It was the money, wasnt it?

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Originally posted by BV MotorSports:

I dont remember seeing one, are you running an oil cooler?
I think I got ya beat there too!


*throws gantlet*


No Oil cooler and my engine bay is still under construction as I will get her real purdy like.

"Picks up gauntlet and pimp slaps BV across the face.....Biotch, you must learn some respect !"
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Awesome! It was the money, wasnt it?



Nope! it was the thrill of a challenge! You guys are going to make me POWAH UP my turbo!



Don't laugh, I have a 5 year old!
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