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BORN IN THE USA?

State GOP leaders grab issue of Obama eligibility
Republican lawmakers, governors poised to demand documentation

The GOP members of Congress who booted Democrat Rep. Nancy Pelosi from the speaker's seat when they took the majority in the U.S. House this month may be the least of President Barack Obama's concerns as the 2012 presidential campaign assembles.

That's because in Pennsylvania, and in at least a couple of other states, there are Republican-controlled Houses, Senates and governors' offices where being developed right now are plans to use state law to demand proof of constitutional eligibility from presidential candidates before they would be allowed on the state ballot.

Get the free, in-depth special report on eligibility that could bring an end to Obama's presidency

From Pennsylvania, Georgia and Texas there already is confirmation of such plans. Arizona is likely to have the same plan, and other states are expected to be in the works as legislatures approach the dates when they will convene.

Pennsylvania

In Pennsylvania, there was excitement over the GOP majority of both houses of the state legislature as well as the governor's office.

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Assemblyman Daryl Metcalfe told WND he is preparing to circulate a memo among his fellow GOP lawmakers for cosponsors for his proposal that would demand documentation of constitutional eligibility.

"We aren't sworn in until Jan. 4," he said. "Once we're sworn in we'll be introducing the legislation that would require presidential candidates to prove their natural born citizenship before they are allowed to file petitions to have their name on the state ballot."

He described it as a "problem" that there has been no established procedure for making sure that presidential candidates meet the Constitution's requirements for age, residency and being a "natural born citizen."

"We hope we would be able to pass this legislation and put it into law before the next session," he said.

He said any one of the states imposing such a requirement would be effective in solving his concerns.

"I think the public relations nightmare that would ensue if any candidate would thumb their noses at a single state would torpedo their campaign," he told WND.

Georgia

Another state that will be in play on the issue is Georgia, where Rep. Mark Hatfield confirmed to WND that he will have a similar proposal pending.

He had introduced the legislation at the end of last year's session to put fellow lawmakers on alert that the issue was coming.

"I do plan to reintroduce the bill," he told WND today. "We'll move forward with trying to get it before a committee."

In Georgia, Republicans hold majorities in both house of the legislature as well as "every constitutional statewide office," he noted.

"I would be optimistic that we can [adopt the legislation]," he said.

Hatfield said if only one or two states adopt such requirements, it readily will be apparent whether a candidate has issues with eligibility documentation or not. And while he noted a president could win a race without support from a specific state, a failure to qualify on the ballot "would give voters in other states pause, about whether or not a candidate is in fact qualified," he said.

"My goal is to make sure any person that aspires to be president meets the constitutional requirements," he said. "This is a first step in that direction."

Arizona

It was last session when the Arizona House of Representatives adopted a provision that would have required documentation of eligibility from presidential candidates, but the measure died through the inaction of the state Senate in the closing days of the session.

Sponsor Rep. Judy Burges told WND at the time that her plan would be renewed this session.

Texas

WND reported just days ago on a bill prefiled for the Texas Legislature by Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, that would require such documentation.

His effort was the first wave of a surging tide of developing questions that could be a hurdle to a second term for Obama, who escaped such demands last year when the Arizona Senate failed to act on a similar plan after the House approved it.

Berman's legislation, House Bill 295, is brief and simple:

It would add to the state election code the provision: "The secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate's original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen."

It includes an effective date of Sept. 1, 2011, in time for 2012 presidential campaigning.


State Rep. Leo Berman

Berman told WND he's seen neither evidence nor indication that Obama qualifies under the Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen," a requirement not imposed on most other federal officers.

"If the federal government is not going to vet these people, like they vetted John McCain, we'll do it in our state," he said.

He noted the Senate's investigation into McCain because of the Republican senator's birth in Panama to military parents.

Berman also said there will be pressure on any lawmaker who opposes the bill, since voters would wonder why they wouldn't want such basic data about a president revealed. And he said even if one state adopts the requirement, there will be national implications, because other states would be alerted to a possible problem.

"If Obama is going to run for re-election in 2012, he'll have to show our secretary of state his birth certificate and prove he's a natural-born citizen," he said. "This is going to be significant."

Berman said he's convinced there are problems with Obama's eligibility, or else his handlers would not be so persistent in keeping the information concealed.

A year ago, polls indicated that roughly half of American voters were aware of a dispute over Obama's eligibility. Recent polls, however, by organizations including CNN, show that roughly six in 10 American voters hold serious doubts that Obama is eligible under the Constitution's demands.

The Texas House is expected to be dominated by the GOP, with a roughly 2-1 margin, and Republicans will hold probably 19 of the 31 seats in the state Senate. The governor's office is Republican.

Other state plans also might be in the works but unannounced yet. Officials with the Denver-based National Conference of State Legislatures said they were not tracking bills in development, or "prefiled" bills.

Their monitoring will begin after the proposals formally are submitted, they said.

Last year, several other states listened to proposals that could have had an impact on eligibility documentation. In New Hampshire, officials wanted to require candidates to meet the "qualifications contained in the U.S. Constitution." In Oklahoma, lawmakers heard a plan to let voters decide the issue, and in South Carolina, the plan was to prevent candidates from being on the ballot unless "that person shows conclusive evidence that he is a legal citizen of the United States."

Further, several other states discussed requirements for candidates, but they did not specifically address the Article 2, Section 1 constitutional compliance, so it's unclear whether they would have addressed Obama's situation.

There also is Rep. Bill Posey's bill at the federal level.

Posey's H.R. 1503 states:

"To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution."
The bill also provides:

"Congress finds that under … the Constitution of the United States, in order to be eligible to serve as President, an individual must be a natural born citizen of the United States who has attained the age of 35 years and has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years."
The sponsors' goal is for the bill to become effective for the 2012 presidential election. The legislation now is pending in a House committee and has more than a dozen co-sponsors.

Officials today told WND the bill is pending, and plans are that it will be acted on through the committee process in the U.S. House.

Join tens of thousands of others who already have signed a petition to state lawmakers asking them to make sure the next president of the United States qualifies under the Constitution's eligibility requirements.

There have been dozens of lawsuits and challenges over the fact that Obama's eligibility never has been documented. The "Certification of Live Birth" his campaign posted online is a document that Hawaii is a document that has made available to those not born in the state.

The controversy stems from the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, which states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

The challenges to Obama's eligibility allege he does not qualify because he was not born in Hawaii in 1961 as he claims, or that he fails to qualify because he was a dual citizen, through his father, of the U.S. and the United Kingdom when he was born and the framers of the Constitution specifically excluded dual citizens from eligibility.

Complicating the issue is the fact that besides Obama's actual birth documentation, he has kept from the public documentation including his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, baptism records and his adoption records.

There are several cases still pending before the courts over Obama's eligibility, including two that are scheduled to be discussed by the members of the U.S. Supreme Court. Others remain pending at the appellate level.

Those cases, however, almost all have been facing hurdles created by the courts' interpretation of "standing," meaning someone who is being or could be harmed by the situation. The courts have decided almost unanimously that an individual taxpayer faces no damages different from other taxpayers, therefore doesn't have standing. Judges even have ruled that other presidential candidates are in that position.

The result is that none of the court cases to date has reached the level of discovery, through which Obama's birth documentation could be brought into court.

A petition that has been launched by WND founder and CEO Joseph Farah asks that state lawmakers do their duty in making sure the next presidential election will feature candidates whose eligibility has been documented.

Tens of thousands already have signed on.

"What we need are hundreds of thousands of Americans endorsing this strategy on the petition – encouraging more action by state officials before the 2012 election. Imagine if just one or two states adopt such measures before 2012. Obama will be forced to comply with those state regulations or forgo any effort to get on the ballot for re-election. Can Obama run and win without getting on all 50 state ballots? I don't think so," he said.

An earlier petition had been directed at all controlling legal authorities at the federal level to address the concerns expressed by Americans, and it attracted moreo than half a million names.

For 18 months, Farah has been one of the few national figures who has steadfastly pushed the issue of eligibility, despite ridicule, name-calling and ostracism at the hands of most of his colleagues. To date, in addition to the earlier petition, he has:


erected billboards around the country demanding, "Where's the birth certificate?":


produced a 40-page special report on the subject;


produced a 60-minute documentary video primer on the issue;


manufactured yard and rally signs to bring attention to the topic;


pledged to donate at least $15,000 to any hospital in Hawaii or anywhere else that provides proof Obama was born there and given you an opportunity to raise the amount;


created a line of T-shirts you can wear to appearances by the president to raise visibility of the issue;


created a fund to which you can donate to further the kind of investigative reporting into this matter only this company has performed over the last two years;


launched a line of postcards you can use to keep the issue alive;


distributed thousands of bumper stickers asking, "Where's the birth certificate?"
Farah says all those campaigns are continuing.

"Obama may be able to continue showing contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law for the next two years, as he has demonstrated his willingness to do in his first year in office," he wrote in a column. "However, a day of reckoning is coming. Even if only one significant state, with a sizable Electoral College count, decides a candidate for election or re-election has failed to prove his or her eligibility, that makes it nearly impossible for the candidate to win. It doesn't take all 50 states complying with the law to be effective."


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I thought I read that AZ did this a few months ago.

Really, who but a treasonous crook would not be in support .
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I guess they want to force him to show that he really is a natural born citizen.
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This will make things interresting. Will Obama comply or will he just abandon those states? Maybe he will start a write-in campaign.
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And if he does comply, and show proof, will it end there? Probably not. On top of that, this is a lot of effort and time (not to mention taxpayer expense from the party that complains about spending) that could be used to actually fix problems we have in this country....
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Originally posted by tbone42:

And if he does comply, and show proof, will it end there? Probably not. On top of that, this is a lot of effort and time (not to mention taxpayer expense from the party that complains about spending) that could be used to actually fix problems we have in this country....


I guess you don't remember the hullaballoo over President Clinton getting his dick sucked. This is nuthin.
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Originally posted by tbone42:

And if he does comply, and show proof, will it end there? Probably not. On top of that, this is a lot of effort and time (not to mention taxpayer expense from the party that complains about spending) that could be used to actually fix problems we have in this country....


Why would "it" continue once it has been proven, although I did not read the entire intial post, I would assume that no sealed documents could be used to prove natural born citizenship. But, it was a decent attempt at distracting the discussion. The amount of money spent on this would be insignificant compared to what has been spent trying to get our current "leader". to prove his natural born citizenship. Personally, IMO, this is a good thing and should have been in place long ago.

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I guess you don't remember the hullaballoo over President Clinton getting his dick sucked. This is nuthin.


Be careful there, he did say there was not penetration. Open mouth insert . . . . .
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"He described it as a "problem" that there has been no established procedure for making sure that presidential candidates meet the Constitution's requirements for age, residency and being a "natural born citizen."

"We hope we would be able to pass this legislation and put it into law before the next session," he said.

He said any one of the states imposing such a requirement would be effective in solving his concerns.

"I think the public relations nightmare that would ensue if any candidate would thumb their noses at a single state would torpedo their campaign," he told WND. "

They will now try to enact legislation to make sure that there is a procedure in place to make sure that the presidential candidates meet the Contitution's requirements.

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The Republicans are really hard at work tackling the countries' most pressing problems... I'm impressed.
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I am in favor of anything that eliminates some of the shenanigans going on in Washington. If that takes up some of our representatives time it will be time well spent. We can't continue to condone politics as usual. It is time to take back our government and let them know that they work for us, not themselves.
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http://obamareleaseyourreco...y-shows-us-that.html

 
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Friday, November 19, 2010
Two popularly elected U.S. Senators were removed from office after it was learned they were NOT constitutionally eligible when elected.
ObamaRelease YourRecords on 1:32 PM

Ineligible and Unconstitutionally Elected & Seated State & Federal Officials Can and Have Been Removed.
A Popular Election Does Not Trump or Amend the Constitution
by: CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)

Obama is NOT Article II constitutionally eligible to be the President and Commander of our military. Obama is NOT a "natural born Citizen" to constitutional standards. Obama's father was NOT a U.S. Citizen. Obama's father was not an immigrant to the United States. Obama's father was a foreign national, a British Subject. Obama is the child of an alien father who was sojourning in the U.S. attending college. Obama was born a British Subject via his father and is still such to this day. Obama has never conclusively proved he was born in Hawaii. Obama's paternal family in Kenya, Kenyan government officials, and newspapers in Kenya say he was born in Kenya. Obama's maternal grandmother likely falsely and illegally registered him as born in Hawaii to get him, her new foreign-born grandson, U.S. Citizenship.

History shows us that a popularly elected, but ineligible, chief executive in the executive branch of a government can be legally and constitutionally removed from office, e.g., Governor Thomas H. Moodie of North Dakota was a prime example. After he was sworn in and serving as Governor, the North Dakota State Supreme Court ordered Governor Moodie removed from office, after it was determined that he was constitutionally and legally ineligible to serve in the office to which he was popularly elected.
http://history.nd.gov/exhib...ors/governors19.html

Also, two U.S. Senators although popularly elected and sworn in to the U.S. Senate were subsequently removed from office after it was learned that they were NOT constitutionally eligible when they were elected.

Albert Gallatin [U.S. Senator seating unconstitutional and annulled]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Gallatin

James Shields [U.S. Senator seating unconstitutional and annulled]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shields


Thus it is very clear that winning a popular election does not trump, amend, or nullify the constitution of a state or the U.S. federal constitution. Obama is not constitutionally eligible to be the President and Command in Chief of the military and should be removed from office and his election, confirmation, and swearing in annulled.

Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., Commander USNR (Retired)
Lead Plaintiff, Kerchner v Obama & Congress
Please if you can, visit this site and help the cause:
http://www.protectourliberty.org/
http://puzo1.blogspot.com
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Attorney Mario Apuzzo and Commander Charles Kerchner were guests on the Revolution Radio Show hosted by Dr. Kate on November 17th. Interview at Source.

New Washington Times Eligibility Ad; Atty Apuzzo & Plaintiff Nelsen were guests on the Howie Mandel Show to Discuss Kerchner v Obama et al. Interview at Source.

YouTube: Attorney Mario Apuzzo & Commander Charles Kerchner Discuss Their Obama Eligibility Case at Supreme Court on Les Naiman Radio Show. Part 1 embedded below, rest at Source.

Atty Apuzzo & CDR Kerchner were guests on the Howie Mandel Radio Show hosted by Jim 'Howie' Mandel - Tues 09 Nov 2010, 4:00 p.m. EST. Interview at Source.

Visit the Birther Vault for the long list of evidence against Hawaii officials and all of the people questioning Obama's eligibility; [http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/video-ltc-terry-lakins-attorney-on-cnn.html].

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3...reme-Court-9-30-2010

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4...bama-Petition-SCOTUS

[URL=http://www.scribd.com/doc/42559111/Kerchner-v-Obama-Petition-Scheduled-for-Conference-at-Supreme-Court-on-Tues-Nov-23-2010-WTNW-pg-5[/URL]

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'Where's the Birth Certificate?' hits breadbasket
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When Johnny Cash covered the original "I've Been Everywhere" song years ago he boasted of being in Reno, Chicago, Fargo, Minnesota, Buffalo, Toronto, Winslow, Sarasota, Wichita, Tulsa, Ottawa, Oklahoma, Tampa, Panama, Mattawa, La Paloma, Bangor, Baltimore, Salvador, Amarillo, Tocapillo, Baranquilla and Perdilla – and that was in just the first verse.

While the campaign to post "Where's the Birth Certificate?" billboards isn't quite as far along as that song, which lists cities and states in three more verses, it's making inroads all across the nation, now appearing in the nation's breadbasket: Kansas.

The newest sign:


Billboard along I-35 near the Highway 59 exit near Ottawa, Kan.



It's along I-35 for northbound traffic near the Highway 59 exit near Ottawa.

And if President Obama continues to withhold key information about himself from the American public and donations from concerned citizens continue to arrive, the list of cities where the billboard appears ultimately could even add a verse or two to the Cash hit, which has been posted online:
"If it seems like we are posting more billboards than ever, the perception is correct," said Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officers of WND, and the mastermind behind the campaign.

"With a new Congress coming to power and more Americans realizing every day that lingering questions about Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility have not been answered, we are making a concerted effort to step up the pressure. Of course, we need continued financial support for this campaign from the American people to keep it up," he said.

Surveys a little more than a year ago revealed barely half of those in America were aware of the questions over Obama's eligibility. But polls as recent as a few weeks ago now show that 6 in 10 Americans doubt Obama's constitutional eligibility to occupy the Oval Office.

Dozens of signs already have been posted, including some to coincide with the Obamas' vacation along the Gulf Coast, and a long list of sites are being tracked down and developed.

The campaign was started a little more than a year ago after a poll showed barely half of Americans were even aware of questions about Obama's eligibility.

The result of the sign campaign has been reflected in the poll showing 6 in 10 Americans doubt Obama's eligibility to be president. The campaign also is credited with helping change America's mind about the president.


Billboard west of Houston

Polling revealed at the outset of the effort that few Americans knew of the near total lack of historical documentation for the president, from his original long-form birth certificate to his school and college records, health records and even documents from his tenure in public office.

However, it was a CNN poll that showed now a majority of Americans have doubts about Obama's authority to direct America's foreign policy, military and domestic agenda. Further, a recent CBS–New York Times poll showed only 58 percent of Americans even think Obama was born in the USA.

In the CNN poll, asked, "Do you think Barack Obama was definitely born in the United States, probably born in the United States, probably born in another country, or definitely born in another country?" the responses surprised many.

"Definitely in the U.S." was the choice of 42 percent, and "probably in the U.S." 29 percent. But 11 percent said definitely in another country and 16 percent probably in another country.

Previously the sign has appeared in Houston, Dallas, LA, Kingman, Hamburg, Nashville, San Antonio, Alabama, Florida and others. The question also has been asked in state and federal courts across the land, even in the U.S. Supreme Court.


New "Where's the Birth Certificate?" billboard in Dallas

Copycat signs also have appeared in locations ranging from Oregon to Denver.

The "Where's The Birth Certificate" question directly challenges Obama's authority to direct programs such as the government takeover of health care, Wall Street and automobile companies.

The question pertains to the core issue raised in all of the legal and other challenges to Obama: Was he qualified under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution that the president be a "natural born citizen," a requirement not imposed on other federal officeholders.

The campaign was launched in 2009, and Farah attributes widespread interest in the great "birth-certificate controversy" to the billboard campaign that, he believes, rekindled the debate about Obama's constitutional eligibility for office. The campaign asks the simple but unanswered question, "Where's the birth certificate?"


Billboard near Cabela's in Hamburg, Pennsylvania
Billboard on Highway 93 near Kingman, Ariz.
Billboard on Long Beach Freeway near Firestone Blvd.
San Antonio billboard



Billboard in Nashville, Tenn.



Billboard near Panama City, Fla.


The campaign has been sustained by contributions from WND visitors and others who have discovered it from simply driving past a billboard.

Farah is convinced that it's working and promises to sustain it if he can continue to get financial help.

"No matter how hard my colleagues try to make the public forget about this issue, no matter how hard they attempt to ridicule anyone who wants to see the proof, no matter how much they demean even decorated military officers who take their own oaths seriously, this issue will not go away. It's going to be around in 2012. It may even be the defining issue in 2012," he said.


Billboard near Navarre, Fla.



Farah says he could not have pulled off the campaign without the support of WND's readers. The cost of the billboards has been offset by donations – and Farah says he wants to step up the campaign because it's winning.


Billboard near Talledega, Ala.


"I'm quite sure based on our own polls that if those people were asked whether they would like to see Obama release his birth certificate, more than half the country would say 'yes' – and all the other personal papers he has refused to disclose," Farah said.

Farah says the billboards have had a lot to do with changing popular opinion – even if the media don't get it.

"People simply shouldn't have to conjecture about where they think their president was born," he says. "It ought to be a matter of public record – and it clearly is not."

Aside from the billboard campaign, WND has devoted more investigative reporting to the issue of eligibility than "all other media outlets combined," says Farah.

In addition, the billboard campaign was rejected by three major billboard companies, all owned by major media outlets – CBS, Clear Channel and Lamar.


Billboard near Bethel, Pa.

"What I need Americans to understand is that this billboard campaign is working," said Farah. "There is no shortage of billboards available to us. The only thing there's a shortage of is the money to erect them. We need to raise tens of thousands of dollars a month just to keep them in place."

"The impact of the billboards is magnified by local television and talk-radio shows in every market they enter," explains Farah. "It's not just the billboard. It's the earned media that comes along with it. It's astounding. We have turned millions of people around on this issue with the billboards. It's just that simple."


In addition to the billboard campaign, Farah has:


produced a video-documentary primer on the issue called "A Question of Eligibility";

produced a 40-page special report on the subject;

manufactured yard and rally signs to bring attention to the topic;

pledged to donate at least $15,000 to any hospital in Hawaii or anywhere else that provides proof Obama was born there and given you an opportunity to raise the amount;

created a line of T-shirts you can wear to appearances by the president to raise visibility of the issue;

created a fund to which you can donate to further the kind of investigative reporting into this matter only this company has performed over the last two years;

launched a line of postcards you can use to keep the issue alive;

distributed thousands of bumper stickers asking, "Where's the birth certificate?";

perhaps most notably, gathered more than 500,000 names on a petition demanding any and all controlling legal authorities in this matter take appropriate action to see the requirements of the Constitution of the United States are followed;

gathered another 25,000 names on a second petition attempting to rally state officials to make presidential candidates prove their eligibility before getting on ballots.
"There are all kinds of things we need to do right now to get our country back on track, but I can think of nothing more important than for us to see that our Constitution is observed, followed, adhered to and honored, especially when it comes to such simple, straightforward matters as the eligibility of the president of the United States," says Farah. "Please help me bring this matter to a head right now."

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U.S. Supreme Court confers on Obama eligibility
Is president a 'natural-born citizen' as Constitution requires?
http://www.wnd.com/index.ph...E.view&pageId=232073
 
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WASHINGTON – Is this the case that will break the presidential eligibility question wide open?

The Supreme Court conferred today on whether arguments should be heard on the merits of Kerchner v. Obama, a case challenging whether President Barack Obama is qualified to serve as president because he may not be a "natural-born citizen" as required by Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.

Unlike other eligibility cases that have reached the Supreme Court, Kerchner vs. Obama focuses on the "Vattel theory," which argues that the writers of the Constitution believed the term "natural-born citizen" to mean a person born in the United States to parents who were both American citizens.

"This case is unprecedented," said Mario Apuzzo, the attorney bringing the suit. "I believe we presented an ironclad case. We've shown standing, and we've shown the importance of the issue for the Supreme Court. There's nothing standing in their way to grant us a writ of certiorari."

If the Supreme Court decides to grant the "writ of certiorari," it may direct a federal trial court in New Jersey to hear the merits of the case, or it may choose to hear the merits itself. The court's decision on the writ could be announced as early as Wednesday.

If any court hears the merits of the case, Apuzzo says it will mark the "death knell" for Obama's legitimacy.

"Given my research of what a natural-born citizen is, he cannot be a natural-born citizen so it's a death knell to his legitimacy. What happens on a practical level, how our political institutions would work that out, is something else," Apuzzo told WND.
Mario Apuzzo

Apuzzo observed it is "undisputed fact" that Obama's father was a British subject.

A hearing on the merits "is also a death knell because it would allow discovery so we would be able to ask him for his birth certificate, and we don't know what that would show," according to Apuzzo. "We might not even get to the question of defining 'natural-born citizen.' If he was not born in the U.S., he'd be undocumented, because he's never been naturalized. We don't even know what his citizenship status is. Hawaii has said they have his records, but that's hearsay. We have not seen the root documents."

Another attorney who has brought Obama eligibility cases to the Supreme Court, Philip Berg, agrees that discovery would sink Obama's presidency.

"If one court had guts enough to deal with this and allow discovery, Obama would be out of office," Berg told WND. "We would ask for a lift of Obama's ban on all of his documents. The last official report said Obama has spent $1.6 million in legal fees [keeping his papers secret], and the total is probably over $2 million now. You don't spend that kind of money unless there's something to hide, and I believe the reason he's hiding this is because he was not born in the United States."

"The Supreme Court has never decided to hear the merits of an eligibility case," Berg added. "If the Supreme Court would decide to hear a case, Obama would be out of office instantly. If Congress decided to hear a case, Obama would be out of office."

"They're taking a different approach, arguing that both parents must be citizens," Berg noted.

Apuzzo is arguing the "Vattel theory," which asserts that the term "natural-born citizen" as used in the Constitution was defined by French writer Emer de Vattel. Vattel, whose work, "The Law of Nations," was widely known and respected by the founding fathers, used the term to mean an individual born of two citizens.

According to Apuzzo, Congress and the courts have addressed the question of who can be an American citizen, for example regarding former slaves, Asian immigrants, and American Indians. However, the term "natural-born citizen" has never been altered.

"The courts and Congress have never changed the definition," said Apuzzo. "The founding fathers understood that the commander-in-chief of the armed forces needed to have two American citizens as parents so that American values would be imparted to him."

Apuzzo said the Supreme Court had clearly accepted Vattel's definition of "natural-born citizen" in "dicta," or statements made in opinions on cases addressing other matters. He cited Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall's opinion in the 1814 "Venus" case, in which Marshall endorses Vattel's definition.

Apuzzo also cites the writings of founding father David Ramsay, an influential South Carolina physician and historian who used similar language to Vattel.

Previous cases challenging Obama's eligibility have all been rejected on technical grounds. Numerous courts have decided that the plaintiffs do not have "standing" to bring a suit against Obama because they have failed to prove they are directly injured by his occupation of the Oval Office.

"To me that's false," said Berg. "The 10th Amendment refers to 'we the people.' If the people can't challenge the president's constitutionality, that would be ridiculous."

"My clients have a right to protection from an illegitimately sitting president," said Apuzzo. "Every decision he makes affects the life, property, and welfare of my clients."

Apuzzo said the founding fathers had good reason to require the president to be a natural-born citizen.

"They were making sure the President had the values from being reared from a child in the American system, and thereby would preserve everybody's life, liberty and property in the process.

"They made that decision, so my clients have every right to expect the president to be a natural-born citizen. It goes to all your basic rights, every right that is inalienable. The president has to be a natural-born citizen."


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I guess you don't remember the hullaballoo over President Clinton getting his dick sucked. This is nuthin.


Tat was nutt'tin also.
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U.S. Supreme Court confers on Obama eligibility
Is president a 'natural-born citizen' as Constitution requires?
http://www.wnd.com/index.ph...E.view&pageId=232073
[QUOTE]WASHINGTON – Is this the case that will break the presidential eligibility question wide open?

The Supreme Court conferred today on whether arguments should be heard on the merits of Kerchner v. Obama, a case challenging whether President Barack Obama is qualified to serve as president because he may not be a "natural-born citizen" as required by Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.

Unlike other eligibility cases that have reached the Supreme Court, Kerchner vs. Obama focuses on the "Vattel theory," which argues that the writers of the Constitution believed the term "natural-born citizen" to mean a person born in the United States to parents who were both American citizens.

"This case is unprecedented," said Mario Apuzzo, the attorney bringing the suit. "I believe we presented an ironclad case. We've shown standing, and we've shown the importance of the issue for the Supreme Court. There's nothing standing in their way to grant us a writ of certiorari."

If the Supreme Court decides to grant the "writ of certiorari," it may direct a federal trial court in New Jersey to hear the merits of the case, or it may choose to hear the merits itself. The court's decision on the writ could be announced as early as Wednesday.

If any court hears the merits of the case, Apuzzo says it will mark the "death knell" for Obama's legitimacy.

"Given my research of what a natural-born citizen is, he cannot be a natural-born citizen so it's a death knell to his legitimacy. What happens on a practical level, how our political institutions would work that out, is something else," Apuzzo told WND.
Mario Apuzzo

Apuzzo observed it is "undisputed fact" that Obama's father was a British subject.

A hearing on the merits "is also a death knell because it would allow discovery so we would be able to ask him for his birth certificate, and we don't know what that would show," according to Apuzzo. "We might not even get to the question of defining 'natural-born citizen.' If he was not born in the U.S., he'd be undocumented, because he's never been naturalized. We don't even know what his citizenship status is. Hawaii has said they have his records, but that's hearsay. We have not seen the root documents."

Another attorney who has brought Obama eligibility cases to the Supreme Court, Philip Berg, agrees that discovery would sink Obama's presidency.

"If one court had guts enough to deal with this and allow discovery, Obama would be out of office," Berg told WND. "We would ask for a lift of Obama's ban on all of his documents. The last official report said Obama has spent $1.6 million in legal fees [keeping his papers secret], and the total is probably over $2 million now. You don't spend that kind of money unless there's something to hide, and I believe the reason he's hiding this is because he was not born in the United States."

"The Supreme Court has never decided to hear the merits of an eligibility case," Berg added. "If the Supreme Court would decide to hear a case, Obama would be out of office instantly. If Congress decided to hear a case, Obama would be out of office."

"They're taking a different approach, arguing that both parents must be citizens," Berg noted.

Apuzzo is arguing the "Vattel theory," which asserts that the term "natural-born citizen" as used in the Constitution was defined by French writer Emer de Vattel. Vattel, whose work, "The Law of Nations," was widely known and respected by the founding fathers, used the term to mean an individual born of two citizens.

According to Apuzzo, Congress and the courts have addressed the question of who can be an American citizen, for example regarding former slaves, Asian immigrants, and American Indians. However, the term "natural-born citizen" has never been altered.

"The courts and Congress have never changed the definition," said Apuzzo. "The founding fathers understood that the commander-in-chief of the armed forces needed to have two American citizens as parents so that American values would be imparted to him."

Apuzzo said the Supreme Court had clearly accepted Vattel's definition of "natural-born citizen" in "dicta," or statements made in opinions on cases addressing other matters. He cited Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall's opinion in the 1814 "Venus" case, in which Marshall endorses Vattel's definition.

Apuzzo also cites the writings of founding father David Ramsay, an influential South Carolina physician and historian who used similar language to Vattel.

Previous cases challenging Obama's eligibility have all been rejected on technical grounds. Numerous courts have decided that the plaintiffs do not have "standing" to bring a suit against Obama because they have failed to prove they are directly injured by his occupation of the Oval Office.

"To me that's false," said Berg. "The 10th Amendment refers to 'we the people.' If the people can't challenge the president's constitutionality, that would be ridiculous."

"My clients have a right to protection from an illegitimately sitting president," said Apuzzo. "Every decision he makes affects the life, property, and welfare of my clients."

Apuzzo said the founding fathers had good reason to require the president to be a natural-born citizen.

"They were making sure the President had the values from being reared from a child in the American system, and thereby would preserve everybody's life, liberty and property in the process.

"They made that decision, so my clients have every right to expect the president to be a natural-born citizen. It goes to all your basic rights, every right that is inalienable. The president has to be a natural-born citizen."

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You do realize that this would leave VP Biden in charge. Well, at least Pelosi isn't a heart beat away from the Oval Office.

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I'm sure Biden wouldn't want to continue Obama's socialist agenda, so I'd be ok with him taking over if Obama has to step down.
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I guess you don't remember the hullaballoo over President Clinton getting his dick sucked. This is nuthin.


Kind of ironic considering if any "average Joe" was caught having sex with one of his employees, he'd lose his job and probably be sued for sexual harassment.
Then lying about it under oath would most likey bring a prison sentence, too.

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Yes, but Bill is a democrat, and we know they are above the law and whatever average people think of as morality.
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Investigation: Obama likely not eligible
Authors dissected 'natural born' qualification
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As the Supreme Court discusses arguments related to President Obama's eligibility, it may be instructive to note a recent best-seller investigated the issue in question, finding Obama may not fit the constitutional requirement that stipulates only "natural born" citizens can serve as U.S. president.

The Supreme Court conferred yesterday on whether arguments should be heard on the merits of a case entitled Kerchner v. Obama, which debates whether the writers of the Constitution believed the term "natural-born citizen" meant a person born in the United States to two parents who were both American citizens.

With nearly 900 endnotes, the book, "The Manchurian President: Barack Obama's Ties to Communists, Socialists and Other Anti-American Extremists," investigated the issue. The tome was written by WND senior reporter Aaron Klein and researcher Brenda J. Elliott.

An investigation by the authors found that according to correspondence from the original framers of the Constitution as well as multiple Supreme Court rulings and the legal writings that helped establish the principles of the Constitution, Obama is not eligible to serve as president since his father was not a U.S. citizen.

The authors concluded Obama may not be eligible regardless of his place of birth. The book recommends further legislative and judicial debate.

"It is undisputed that Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen," wrote Klein, "a fact that should have led to congressional debate about whether Obama is eligible under the United States Constitution to serve as president."

Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. Dunham was an American of predominantly English descent from Wichita, Kan., and was 18 years old at the time of Obama's birth. Obama Sr. was a member of the Luo tribe from Nyang'oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya, which at the time was still a British colony.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution stipulates presidential eligibility, requiring the nation's elected chief to be a "natural born citizen."

The clause states: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution specifically defines "citizen" but not "natural born citizen".

A "citizen" is defined as: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are Citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

However, no definition of "natural born citizen" – which is only used in the presidential requirement clause – was provided anywhere in the Constitution, and to this day the precise meaning of the term is still being debated.

There are no records of any definitive discussion on the matter during the Constitutional Convention. That – coupled with the absence of definitive Supreme Court rulings and a wide array of opinions throughout the centuries – has only further confused the question of what "natural born" actually means.

Still, the authors found that according to the framers of the Constitution as well as Supreme Court rulings, Obama does not fit the eligibility requirements.

'Natural born' defined

The first U.S. Congress passed a law that began to define "natural born." The Naturalization Act of 1790 rejected the condition of being born on U.S. soil and referred only to parentage: "The children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States," the Act states, "shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."

Five years later, however, Congress repealed the act.

"Still, it was clear that the intention of the Constitution's 'natural born citizen' qualification was to ensure the country would not be led by an individual with dual loyalties," wrote Klein in "The Manchurian President."

On July 25, 1787, John Jay, one of the three authors of the Federalist Papers, wrote to George Washington, who was at the time presiding over the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia.

Jay discussed the dual-loyalty concern, writing: "Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."

Jay, however, also did not define "natural born."

Representative John Bingham of Ohio, a principal framer of the Fourteenth Amendment, offered some definition for presidential qualifications in a discussion in the House on March 9, 1866: "[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S. 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen."

"So according to Bingham, as well, Obama would not be eligible to serve as president," wrote Klein.

To try to understand what the Founding Fathers meant by "natural born," the authors wrote in "The Manchurian President" that some have turned to prominent legal tomes of the day.

The Law of Nations, a 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel, was read by many of the American Founders and informed their understanding of the principles of law, which became established in the Constitution of 1787.

De Vattel writes in Book 1, Chapter 19, of his treatise, "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. … In order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

"So by de Vattel's standards, Obama arguably would not be eligible to serve as president," wrote Klein.

Supreme Court casts doubt

Numerous Supreme Court decisions have yielded conflicting views of citizenship and what it means to be a "natural born citizen." In Dred Scott v. Sandford, in 1857, for example, the court ruled that citizenship is acquired by place of birth, not through blood or lineage.

But much of that decision – which had notoriously excluded slaves, and their descendants, from possessing constitutional rights – was overturned in 1868.

Another case, Minor v. Happersett, in 1874, mentions the "natural born" issue.

"At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar," the decision states, "it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents [plural] who were its citizens [plural], became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens."

Writes Klein: "According to this definition, and scores of other Supreme Court rulings, Obama may not be eligible to serve as president."

The authors conclude that a "reading of readily available legal resources regarding the definition of 'natural born citizen' clearly indicates a series of legitimate questions about Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidency, given that Obama's father was not an American citizen."

"The resources warrant further debate," wrote Klein.

"The Manchurian President" points out despite these glaring eligibility issues, the legislative and judicial bodies of the U.S. government have held no formal discussions, nor did they conduct a single formal investigation into whether Obama is eligible to serve under the Fourteenth Amendment.

Congress did, however, question the "natural born" qualifications of Obama's 2008 presidential opponent, Republican Sen. John McCain.

The scion of distinguished U.S. naval officers, McCain was born to two American parents in the Panama Canal Zone. On April 30, 2008, the U.S. Senate sought to answer the question by passing a nonbinding resolution, which states, "Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it resolved, that John Sidney McCain, III, is a 'natural born citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States."

Obama called 'Manchurian President'

Meanwhile, "The Manchurian President" bills itself as the most exhaustive investigation ever performed into Obama and his radical background and ties.

Among the many finds of "The Manchurian President":


A coalition of extremists, including a founder of William Ayers' Weather Underground domestic-terrorist organization, helped craft Obama's "stimulus" bill;


Obama's health-care policy, masked by moderate populist rhetoric, was pushed along and partially crafted by extremists, some of whom reveal in their own words that their principal aim is to achieve corporate socialist goals and a vast increase in government powers;


Extremists are among Obama's "czars" and other top advisers. New information links top advisers Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett to communist activists. The book uncovers correspondence in which a communist confesses to mentoring and educating Axelrod and helping the top Obama aide to secure his first job. Obama then later worked with the same communist, the book finds;


Copious research reveals more about Obama's deep ties to Ayers, uncovering for the first time where and how Obama first met Ayers – and it is much earlier than previously believed;


Important aspects of Obama's carefully covered-up college years, with new details of his student career at Occidental College and later at Columbia University, are revealed;


Obama's early years, including his previously overlooked early childhood ties to a radical, far-left church, are documented;


Obama's associations with the Nation of Islam, Black Liberation Theology and black political extremists are also revealed, with extensive new information on the subjects;


Obama's deep ties to ACORN, which are much more extensive than previously documented elsewhere, are covered. The book also crucially describes how a socialist-led, ACORN-affiliated union helped facilitate Obama's political career and now exerts major influence in the White House.

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And if he does comply, and show proof, will it end there? Probably not. On top of that, this is a lot of effort and time (not to mention taxpayer expense from the party that complains about spending) that could be used to actually fix problems we have in this country....


The party in power IS spending a lot of money and ISN'T fixing the problems.

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Kind of ironic considering if any "average Joe" was caught having sex with one of his employees, he'd lose his job and probably be sued for sexual harassment.
Then lying about it under oath would most likey bring a prison sentence,


Well, I certainly wouldn't disagree with an expert like you.
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BORN IN THE USA?

Supremes challenged to put Constitution above Twitter
Case questioning eligibility says facts don't support Obama story
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[QUOTE]The U.S. Supreme Court is being asked to decide whether the Constitution will trump Twitter on issues of national importance, including the eligibility of a president, which could determine the very future of the American form of government.

The request is being made in a petition for writ of certiori, or a request for the Supreme Court to review the decision of a lower appellate court, in a case brought on behalf of Col. Gregory S. Hollister, a retired Air Force officer.

He is among the many who have brought court challenges to Obama's tenure in the Oval Office based on doubts about whether Obama qualifies for the position under the U.S. Constitution's demand that presidents be a "natural born citizen," a qualification not imposed on many other federal officers.

Get the free, in-depth special report on eligibility that could bring an end to Obama's presidency

The pleadings submitted to the court, compiled by longtime attorney John D. Hemenway, cite the incredible importance of the claims that Obama, in fact, failed to qualify for the office.

"If proven true, those allegations mean that every command by the respondent Obama and indeed every appointment by respondent Obama, including the appointment of members [Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor] of this and every other court, may be only de facto but not de jure [by right of law]," states the pleading.

"Further, his signature on every law passed while he occupies the Oval Office is not valid if he is not constitutionally eligible to occupy that office de jure," it continued.

"Thus, it is not hyperbole to state that the entire rule of law based on the Constitution is at issue. Moreover, it would indicate that the respondent Obama ran for the office of president knowing that his eligibility was at the very least in question," it continued.

The case made headlines at the district court level because of the ruling from District Judge James Robertson of Washington.


Judge James Robertson

In refusing to hear evidence about whether Obama is eligible, Robertson wrote in his notice dismissing the case, "The issue of the president's citizenship was raised, vetted, blogged, texted, twittered, and otherwise massaged by America's vigilant citizenry during Mr. Obama's two-year-campaign for the presidency, but this plaintiff wants it resolved by a court."

Besides the sarcasm involved, the pleading states, the very evidence pertinent to the dispute at issues was ignored.

The pleading outlines that information, which challenges Obama's claim to eligibility and his campaign's citation of a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii, a document also made available to those not necessarily born in the state, as proof of Obama's eligibility.

It suggests there are "sufficient allegations" that Obama was not born inside the United States, and outlines the law and regulations in force at the time of Obama's birth, in 1961.

"At the time of the birth of the respondent Obama in 1961 as alleged, Congress had … the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. Under the applicable provision of that act … for the respondent Obama to have been a naturalized citizen of the United States at birth, were he born of one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent, as he has alleged throughout his political career he was, his mother would have had to have been continuously resident in the United States for a period of 10 years preceding the date of his birth and, most importantly, she would have had to have resided continuously for five years preceding his birth in the United State after she had turned 14 years old. Since she was only 18 when Obama was born, this condition was clearly not fulfilled," the arguments said.

It also raised the suggestion that there are sound arguments to the effect that a "natural born citizen" is someone born to two citizen parents, and Obama himself has documented that his father never was a citizen of the U.S.

The fact that the evidence never was reviewed and the judge based a "biased" decision on "a completely extrajudicial factor" [twittering], prevented Hollister from having the constitutional rule of law applied, the petition states. .

"A further example of this bias based on extrajudicial factors by the district court was its observation that a lawyer associated with the initiation of petitioner Hollister's case, a prominent Democrat in Pennsylvania who backed Hillary Clinton in her successful primary there against respondent Obama, though never admitted in the case, was 'probably' the 'real plaintiff' in the case and that he and another lawyer who signed filings but was also never admitted … were 'agents provocateur' whose efforts to raise the issue of the respondent Obama's constitutional eligibility in lawsuits were a crusade in which the petitioner Hollister was a dupe," the petition says.

The questions suggested by the petition are weighty:


"Did the district court examine the complaint, as required by the decisions of this and every other federal court, to see if it alleged facts to support its claims?"


"By refusing to consider the issue of defendant Obama not being a 'natural born citizen' as set out in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution, did the district court violate its obligations to consider the issues raised by the complaint?"


"In … relying on extrajudicial criteria such as an assertion that 'the issue of the president's citizenship was raised, vetted, blogged, texted, twittered and otherwise massaged by America's vigilant citizenry during Mr. Obama's two-year-campaign for the presidency' combined with an attack on petitioner … did the district court not engage in such obvious political bias and upon extrajudicial factors as to render its opinion void?"


"Did the … bias engaged in lead to a decision which ignored the law as set out above and as a result place the respondent-defendant Obama above that law and the rule of law in this country generally and threaten the constitutional basis and very existence of our rule of law?"


"Did the courts below not completely ignore the decisions of this court and the clear language of Rule 15 of the federal Rules of Civil Procedure concerning amendments so as to compound its biased elevation of the defendant Obama above the rule of constitutional law?"
While the district judge dismissed the case because it had been "twittered," the appeals court simply adopted his reasoning, but wouldn't even allow its opinion affirming the decision to be published, the petition explains.

Hollister's concern rests with the fact that as a retired Air Force officer in the Individual Ready Reserve, it is possible that he at some point could be subject to Obama's orders.

"If Congress called up the Air Force Individual Ready Reserve the respondent Obama would have to give the order … If, as it appears, those orders would not be lawful, Col. Hollister would be bound … to question them and look to the respondent [Vice President Joe] Biden as constitutionally next in succession for lawful orders," the pleading said.

This case doesn't have the "standing" dispute that has brought failure to so many other challenges to Obama's eligibility, the pleading explains, because Robertson "found that it had jurisdiction of the case, and therefore that petitioner Hollister had standing."

Courts in other case have ruled that the plaintiffs suffered no injury themselves that was not general to the population, so they weren't allowed to sue. However, because of Robertson's handling of the case, standing here has been established, the pleading states, allowing the appeal actually to argue the merits of the case, and note how Supreme Court precedents have been contradicted in the handling of the challenge to Obama.

Officials told WND that this case is an opportunity for the Supreme Court to re-establish that its precedents are binding.

The district judge also remarked "sarcastically" that there may be as many as a "couple of dozen" people concerned about the dispute. In fact, polls done by CNN and others indicate almost 6 in 10 in American don't believe Obama's birth narrative, which would give those doubting the president a total in the range of 180 million or more.

"In fact, reliable polls have shown the number of such people to be in the tens of millions and growing," the pleading explains.

"The combination of bias and ridicule of a person like the plaintiff wanting his concerns resolved by a court as being, essentially, an 'unthinkable' notion, is an expressed denial of a citizen's right to access to the courts," the case pleading continues.

The document also explains that both Robertson and Obama have "held management positions on boards of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under the Law, and thus are acquainted with each other. There is every appearance of bias here," it said.

John Eidsmoe, an expert on the U.S. Constitution now working with the Foundation on Moral Law, has told WND a demand for verification of Obama's eligibility appears to be legitimate.

Eidsmoe said it's clear that Obama has something in the documentation of his history, including his birth certificate, college records and other documents that "he does not want the public to know."

WND reported just days ago on another case, Kerchner v. Obama, that was before the Supreme Court with a request for review, on the same subject.

The case focuses on the "Vattel theory," which argues that the writers of the Constitution believed the term "natural-born citizen" to mean a person born in the United States to parents who were both American citizens.

"This case is unprecedented," said Mario Apuzzo, the attorney bringing the suit. "I believe we presented an ironclad case. We've shown standing, and we've shown the importance of the issue for the Supreme Court. There's nothing standing in their way to grant us a writ of certiorari."

WND has reported on dozens of legal and other challenges to Obama's eligibility. Some suggest he was not born in Hawaii has he claims; others say his birth location makes no difference because a "natural born citizen" was understand at the time to be a child of two citizen parents, and Obama's father was subject to the British crown when Barack Obama was born.

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Supreme Court Denies Kerchner v Obama Petition; Justices Continue Evading Obama's Eligibility to be President and Commander-in-Chief.
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Supreme Court Denies Kerchner v. Obama/Congress/Pelosi Petition for a Writ of Certiorari; Justices Continue Evading Obama's Eligibility to be President and Commander-in-Chief...

Via the SCOTUS Order List for 11/29/10: 10-446 - KERCHNER, CHARLES, ET AL. V. OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF U.S., ET AL.

The motion of Western Center for Journalism for leave to file a brief as amicus curiae is granted. The petition for a writ of certiorari is denied.

Check back later for any updates and or news regarding this expected but disgracful decision by the SCOTUS. Justice Thomas stuck by his words! The ball is clearly in the new Congresses court! Time to put full pressure on them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

UPDATES: DrKatesView; Supreme Court COWARDS, more here. - CNN reports on the Kerchner case nearly two years after it was first filed, shameful commies; Justices turn aside another challenge over Obama's citizenship, more here. The Conservative Monster; Supreme Court Denies Kerchner vs Obama. Uses WikiLeaks Drama as The Perfect Distraction, more here. The Birthers.org; The Supreme Court failed to uphold the Constitution - Justices Kagan and Sotomayor, more here.

Comment from lead Plaintiff Commander Charles Kerchner; The "Roberts Court" of the U.S. Supreme Court imo will be known in history as the Neville Chamberlain supreme court, the great Obama appeaser court.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain

Appeasement due to fear that some immediate small amount of veiled and threatened violence from the far left Saul Alinsky goons and tyrants and bullies and thus not doing the right thing early only to support the rule of law and the Constitution ultimately leads to be much bigger problem later. History has shown us that over and over. This matter should have been addressed by the media and political parties early in the spring of 2008 during the primaries. It wasn't. Congress should have addressed this when asked and when constitutionally it was required to. It didn't. The courts should have addressed the merits of the questions when appealed to early on. They didn't. Everyone in our system of government chose appeasement over confrontation and punted the ball to someone else. Now it is far worse. The Supreme Court has chosen appeasement and inaction over action and dealing with the issue and questions openly in a court of law under the rules of evidence and law. Our Constitutional Republic and legal system is now compromised and broken. And it will only get worse as our legal system and constitutional republic further deteriorates and the rule of law gives way more and more to appeasement of bullies such as Obama and his far left cronies and puppet masters. Appeasement of the constitutional usurpers will not make it go away. It will only delay the inevitable and fester and in the end be a far worse situation to deal with when the real nature of the tyrant reveals himself in a bolder way and takes away all our liberties. Neville Chamberlain tactics never work with bullies, tyrants, and national socialists.

CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
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http://www.protectourliberty.org
http://puzo1.blogspot.com
The full SCOTUS Order List and Petition embedded below. Previous reports on Kerchner v Obama can be found here. Visit the Birther Vault for the long list of evidence against Hawaii officials and all of the people questioning Obama's eligibility; [http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/video-ltc-terry-lakins-attorney-on-cnn.html].

Kerchner et al v. Obama/Congress/Pelosi et al - Supreme Court Order List Page 15 - 11/29/10
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4...ist-Page-15-11-29-10
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4...Wkly-2010-11-08-pg-5
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Hawaii guv suddenly 'mum' on Obama birth 'certificate'
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Although Hawaii's newly elected Democrat governor, Neil Abercrombie, has recently given a flurry of high-profile media interviews condemning "birthers" who question Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to occupy the Oval Office, suddenly he is declining to answer a few hard questions.

Abercrombie, 72, a former member of the U.S. House, may be trying to quell the surge of doubt among Americans – polls show nearly six in 10 doubt Obama's own eligibility story – by promising he will try to release additional records on Obama from his state's Department of Health vault.

He has, in just recent days, expressed his disdain toward "birthers" in the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune, on CNN, as well as the local Star Advertiser and Hawaii News Now.

His startling remarks appear to be in response to the recent polling results as well as the rapidly growing list of high-profile personalities and leaders publicly raising questions about Obama's eligibility.

Even as stalwart an Obama supporter as MSNBC host Chris Matthews is now urging that Obama release his long-form hospital-generated birth certificate to assist Abercrombie's campaign against "birthers."

"I am not a birther. I am an enemy of the birthers," Matthews said. But, he added, "Why doesn't the president just say, 'Send me a copy right now?' Why doesn't Gibbs and Axelrod say, 'Let's just get this crappy story dead?' Why not do it? ... If it exists, why not put it out?"

Matthews was joined by Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune and David Corn of Mother Jones, both of whom agreed with Matthews' call for Obama to publicly release the document, which to this point has remained tightly under wraps.

But Abercrombie won't talk with WND, which has reported more on the controversy than any other news source in the world.

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"It [the Obama birth certificate controversy] is an insult to his [Obama's] mother and to his father; they were my friends, and I have an emotional interest in that," Abercrombie told the New York Times in a telephone interview Thursday. "It's an emotional insult. It is disrespectful to the president; it is disrespectful to the office."

But this week, in e-mails from his press secretary, Abercrombie refused to be interviewed by WND.

"The governor did an interview over a week ago in which this topic [Obama's eligibility to be president under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution] was raised," Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's press secretary, said in an e-mail to WND.

"He [Abercrombie] has been on vacation since Saturday and is unavailable. Hope this helps you understand. You are in no way being singled out as your e-mail suggests," she said.

But despite the denials, Dela Cruz did not respond when WND followed up with a request for an interview with Abercrombie at the governor's convenience after he returns from vacation.

It was just last week that Abercrombie himself injected new urgency into the ongoing controversy over Obama's birth certificate when the Star Advertiser reported the governor has been talking with the state attorney general's office and the director of the state Health Department to see how he can bypass Hawaii's privacy laws and release more information about whatever Obama records exist there.

Interestingly, the new governor's links to the controversy go way back.

Abercrombie claims to have seen baby Obama in Hawaii

Although he has acknowledged he was not present at the still-unidentified hospital in Honolulu to witness Obama's birth, Abercrombie long has claimed he socialized with Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham Obama when Barack Obama Jr. was yet a baby.

"Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye and tell you, 'I was here when the baby was born,'" Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune in an attempt to provide personal testimony to buttress the argument Obama was born in Hawaii as he has long claimed.

Abercrombie was a graduate teaching assistant in sociology at the University of Hawaii when Barack Obama Sr. arrived in 1959 from Kenya to enroll as the first African-born student in the university's history.

The problem with Abercrombie’s testimony is that Barack Obama Sr. and his wife, Ann Dunham, did not live together as man and wife with their baby son as Abercrombie claims to have witnessed.

WND has published transcripts from the University of Washington in Seattle that prove Ann Dunham was enrolled in extension classes there, across the Pacific, within three weeks of the baby's birth.

WND further has documented Ann Dunham's Seattle address in authoritative Seattle street directories from the period and interviewed Barack Obama Jr.'s babysitter in Seattle to further document the presence of Ann Dunham and her baby in Seattle, not Hawaii as Abercrombie has claimed.

WND also has reported that the address used in the two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 announcing the baby's birth was 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu, an address maintained by Ann Dunham's parents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham.

In August 1961, when Barack Obama Jr. was born, Barack Obama Sr. maintained a separate address on 11th Avenue, in Hawaii.

There is no documentary evidence that Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham ever lived at the same address together as man and wife.

Moreover, university transcripts from the University of Washington and the University of Hawaii demonstrate that Ann Dunham remained in Seattle, fully enrolled in university courses, until she returned to Hawaii in 1962 to re-enroll in the University of Hawaii after Barack Obama Sr. had left Hawaii to attend graduate school at Harvard in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Nobody invited to wedding of Obama's parents?

In actuality, it isn't clear Obama's parents were married, since official records never have been produced showing a legal ceremony took place. No wedding certificate or photograph of a ceremony for Dunham and Obama Sr. has ever been found or published.

In his book, "Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage," former Time magazine contributing editor Christopher Anderson elaborates: "There were certainly no witnesses (to the alleged civil marriage ceremony on Maui in 1961 between Obama's parents) – no family members were present, and none of their friends at the university had the slightest inkling that they were even engaged."

Anderson further quoted Abercrombie, a self-admitted friend of Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham in 1961, as saying that "nobody" was invited to the wedding ceremony.

Obama himself, on page 22 of his autobiography "Dreams from My Father," wrote of his parents' wedding: "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore. There's no record of a real wedding, a cake, a ring, a giving away of the bride. No families were in attendance; it's not even clear that people back in Kansas were fully informed. Just a small civil ceremony, a justice of the peace. The whole thing seems so fragile in retrospect, so haphazard."

Bachelor father?

Contrary to Abercrombie's assertion that he spent social time with Barack Obama Sr., his wife, Ann Dunham, and their child, Barack Obama Jr., the documentary evidence strongly suggests that while Ann Dunham was in Seattle attending the University of Washington, Barack Obama Sr. lived the life of a bachelor in Honolulu.

WND has published a photo of Barack Obama Sr. at a University of Hawaii student party that he attended without his wife, Ann Dunham; the photo clearly shows his left hand absent a wedding ring.


Barack Obama Sr. at party with University of Hawaii students in the early 1960s



WND also reported on a letter Barack Obama Sr. wrote from Hawaii to his political benefactor in Kenya, Tom Mboya, in May 1962, discussing his wife, but he does so without mentioning Ann Dunham, his Hawaiian bride and the mother of the president, Barack Obama Jr.

Toward the end of the 1962 letter, Obama wrote, "You know my wife is in Nairobi there and I would really appreciate any help you may give her."

Clearly Barack Obama Sr. is referring to his first wife, Kezia Aoko, whom he had married in 1954 when he was eighteen years old while she was pregnant with their first child.

He instructs Mboya that his wife Kezia was then staying with her brother, Wilson Odiawo, in Nairobi.

Two Hawaii newspapers published feature articles in June 1962, the month Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii to attend classes at Harvard, that profiled Barack Obama Sr. in considerable detail, but make no reference to his wife in Hawaii, Ann Dunham, or his then 10-month-old infant son, Barack Obama Jr.

Abercrombie, the only witness?

Strangely, Abercrombie is the only witness on the public record claiming a recollection of Barack Obama Sr., Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Jr. living together and interacting with him socially as a family in Hawaii.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune he remembered Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham as participating in "long coffeehouse sessions" while Barack Obama Sr. was attending the University of Hawaii.

The Chicago Tribune story further reported that on a trip to Africa years later Abercrombie caught up with Barack Obama Sr.

"He [Barack Obama Sr.] was drinking too much; his frustration was apparent," Abercrombie told the newspaper.

"To Abercrombie’s surprise, Obama never asked about his ex-wife or his son," Tribune national correspondent Tim Jones wrote.

Just last year, Abercrombie played a role in another Obama birth controversy when he read a letter at a Kapi'olani Medical Center centennial dinner in Honolulu that supposedly was authored by President Obama, claiming Kapi'olani as his birth hospital.

As WND reported, the letter read by Abercrombie and initially displayed on the Kapi'olani website turned out to be a computer-created likeness of a letter using HTML code, the building blocks of Internet websites, not an actual paper letter.


The Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu originally posted on its website this HTML-created version of a letter supposedly written by Barack Obama in which he states he was born at the facility. Kapi'olani has since removed this image, and the White House has remained silent on its content.



When pressed on the matter, Kapi'olani officials eventually sent WND a photograph of a paper letter purportedly written by Obama, though the White House has still not confirmed its authenticity or content. Hospital officials told WND they "know" the letter must be from Obama because it was brought to them by then-Congressman Abercrombie.


A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter.


Also in 2009, WND documented that Obama and his supporters first claimed he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, before the story changed to Kapi'olani and Internet articles claiming Queens as Obama's birth hospital were cleansed to substitute Kapi'olani instead of Queens as the birth hospital reference.

'Friends' linked to Democrat Socialists of America

During his gubernatorial campaign, Abercrombie blasted WND for publishing a report that Abercrombie was listed as a member of the U.S.-based Marxist-oriented Democratic Socialists of America.

Trevor Loudon of the New Zeal blog, a researcher on communism, uncovered the November-December 1990 issue of the Democratic Socialists of America's official magazine, "The Democratic Left," that listed Abercrombie as a member of the party.

The magazine stated the group's political action committee endorsed two congressional candidates, "DSAer Democrat Neil Abercrombie seeking to regain the House seat representing Honolulu and Vermont independent candidate Bernie Sanders."

Louden also documented that Obama attended socialist conferences in New York in the early 1980s at the Cooper Union, the usual venue for the annual DSA-organized Socialist Scholars Conferences.

Stanley Kurtz, in his book, "Radical-in-Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism," noted on page 63 that Barack Obama's name appears on a large list of names and addresses in a folder labeled "Socialist Scholars Conference," in the records of the Democratic Socialists of America.

From analyses of these lists, Kurtz concluded that Obama pre-registered for the Second Annual Socialist Scholars Conference held on April 19-21, 1984, at the Boro of Manhattan Community College, CUNY, in New York.

WND has reported on multiple legal challenges to Obama over his status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether Obama actually was born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Further, others question his citizenship by virtue of his attendance in Indonesian schools during his childhood and question on what passport did he travel to Pakistan three decades ago.

Adding fuel to the fire is Obama's persistent refusal to release documents that could provide answers and his appointment of lawyers to suppress all requests for his documentation.

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Hawaii Governor Update: Hawaii Governor Wants to Release Obama's Birth Details


Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie, says he wants to find a way to release more information about President Barack Obama's Hawaii birth.
The democrat wants to dispel conspiracy theories Obama was born elsewhere, reports AP.
Today his spokesman, Donalyn Dela Cruz, said Abercrombie intends to ask the state attorney general's office and health officials if more of Obama's birth documentation is available.
AP quotes Dela Cruz saying the newly elected governor is friends with Obama's parents, "so there is a personal issue at hand."
Hawaii's privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest.
Neil Abercrombie (born June 26, 1938) is the seventh and current Governor of Hawaii. He was the Democratic U.S. Representative of the First Congressional District of Hawaii which comprises urban Honolulu. He served in Congress from 1991 to 2010 when he resigned to run for governor. He was also a state legislator and member of the Honolulu City Council. At the age of 72, Abercrombie is the oldest current United States governor until governor-elect Jerry Brown of California is sworn in on 3 January, 2011.


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Birthers are BEYOND weird.
Delusional? Paranoid? Kooky?
Unbelievable.
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Hawaii's privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest.


If we can't verify that any candidate is constitutionally eligible then we might as well make the candidates Identity as secret as the ballots we cast. It is beyond stupidity it's an affront to national security.

If verifying the eligibility of presidential candidates is not a tangible interest. Nothing is.... Funny the Government can demand more from you than a simple proof of natural born citizenship (or require other citizens to feel you up) but how dare anyone from the opposing political party stoop so low as to ask the president for something that was requested and not deliver when he was a candidate. Every candidate has to meet the constitutional requirements regardless of who's they are from.
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Originally posted by yellowstone:

The Republicans are really hard at work tackling the countries' most pressing problems... I'm impressed.


yellowstone,

I do not understand what you are implying: 'Republicans' . So you understand, we are Americans, not separated divided by an 'R' of 'D' next to our affiliation. The question above herein has NEVER been dealt with before, until now. That is why there is so much concern, animosity and distrust. All the American people want to see is proof! After that, no more issue. I hope I clarified that with you.

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yellowstone,

I do not understand what you are implying: 'Republicans' . So you understand, we are Americans, not separated divided by an 'R' of 'D' next to our affiliation.
Cordially,
Kevin


Yellowstone,

Don't believe the hype! This country is completely (though one hopes not irreparably) separated and divided along the lines of an "R" or "D" next to a name. Do some research....trust me it won't take you longer than it takes to soft boil an egg to see just how defined the division is.

IMO, anyone who can't see that is either guilty of naivete or dis-ingenuousness.
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Yellowstone,

Don't believe the hype! This country is completely (though one hopes not irreparably) separated and divided along the lines of an "R" or "D" next to a name. Do some research....trust me it won't take you longer than it takes to soft boil an egg to see just how defined the division is.

IMO, anyone who can't see that is either guilty of naivete or dis-ingenuousness.



Well, one of the things fueling the separation and division is the incredible division in standards between TREATMENT of democrats and republicans.

What do you think would have been the media response if a REPUBLICAN had the same birth certificate situation as Obama? It would have been a non-stop barrage of MEDIA pressure to produce an actual document. But because it is a democrat, the media response is to do everything they can to discredit and ridicule the people asking for Obama to submit proof. What do you think the media would have done regarding examination of the REPUBLICAN certification process? They would have VILIFIED the republicans for being as irresponsibly cavalier about the process as Pelosi and the DNC was.
Yeah, there is a divide and no, it is NOT reconcilable.

SOME Americans STILL want to live in a constitutional democratic republic like the country is SUPPOSED to be. They want to take individual responsibility, and live FREE, and do not look to the government to provide for them nor take care of them. And that group believes there are laws, and they should be followed and adhered to. Like, for example, the constitutional requirements of a president.

And then there is another block of Americans who do NOT want to take individual responsibility, do not want to take the risks involved in living free, and WANT the government to intentionally exceed the constitutional restrictions against that, and look to the government to provide for and protect them. And that group also believes the end justifies the means, and so we don't really HAVE to follow the constitution. So just take our WORD that we followed the rules, like it matters that much anyhow because we are doing what is best for you.
When two groups are THAT DIAMETRICALLY opposed in philosophy, there IS no middle ground and there is no repair.


I could say guess which group is which, but, well, it is (painfully, literally painfully) obvious.

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What I don't understand is why this is still an issue. This could be ended by just producing the documentation and having it authenticated.
Hell I have to produce one to get a drivers license in two years. He is sitting in one of the most powerful seat in the world and cant show his birth certificate?
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Well, one of the things fueling the separation and division is the incredible division in standards between TREATMENT of democrats and republicans.

What do you think would have been the media response if a REPUBLICAN had the same birth certificate situation as Obama?


What do you think the chances are that ANY president prior to Obama would've been required to produce one?
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What do you think the chances are that ANY president prior to Obama would've been required to produce one?


What do you think the chances are that any president prior to Obama would have this much trouble producing one?
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What do you think the chances are that any president prior to Obama would have this much trouble producing one?


What are the chances that any one would've been asked to? It appears we can go back and forth on this one without ever addressing either question.

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What are the chances that any one would've been asked to? It appears we can go back and forth on this one without ever addressing either question.

Mental masturbation.


It doesn't matter as the only issue before us now is his birth certificate.
I have listened to both sides and I have my doubts. If I am making a stupid mistake then someone anyone produce the piece of paper and end it.
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What are the chances that any one would've been asked to? It appears we can go back and forth on this one without ever addressing either question.

Mental masturbation.


They were not asked because other American's KNEW where they where born and what school they attended. This is the FIRST, I will repeat that in case you are a slow reader, the FIRST time this issue was ever propagated! Simple question needing a simple answer. Example: What hospital were you born? Can we see your college transcripts? What is your SS# ? Just asking, no big deal, right? So far, none of these questions have been answered by Obama. That is why we post, and ask?


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Originally posted by kevin:


They were not asked because other American's KNEW where they where born and what school they attended. This is the FIRST, I will repeat that in case you are a slow reader, the FIRST time this issue was ever propagated! Simple question needing a simple answer. Example: What hospital were you born? Can we see your college transcripts? What is your SS# ? Just asking, no big deal, right? So far, none of these questions have been answered by Obama. That is why we post, and ask?


Cordially,
Kevin

This is not dispute you point. since I agree that asking for proof of eligibility constitutionally legit. This reply is only in reference "the FIRST time this issue was ever propagated!".

Please read the fallowing :

Natural born citizen of the United States: Presidential candidates whose eligibility was questioned


  1. Chester A. Arthur Became President when President Garfield died after being shot.
  2. Charles Evans Hughes Lost election
  3. George Romney Lost republican nomination bid
  4. Barry Goldwater Lost election
  5. Lowell Weicker Dropped his nomination bid when eligibility was questioned.
  6. John McCain Lost nomination bid


He is not the first candidate or President or Presidential Candidate to have
his eligibility questioned. However, he is the first elected president to have
his eligibility questioned.
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