You all should reconize that engine bay now what is that? It says 16 valve? that couldn't be a HELL YEAH IT'S A 4g63 that's a friggen dsm trubo motor 92 6 bolt guys.
check the rest of his site out. i am in the proccess of geting a hold him and trying to drag him here. his user name is zedder24 at http://newengdsm.org
I have been lookign for this guy for ages ver since i hear dabout the rummors of this swap remember when i first came here i asked you guys about it? Yeah um FOUND IT!!!!! whoot! we now have another swap to add to the list! THe FRIGGER RUNS TOO!
it would be nice to know some more details such as axels and shift cables and wiring. it looks like the basic mounting is pretty straight forward so long as you can fabricate. Exhaust looks like it would be a PITA as well though.
Get him on the forum, im sure that there would be plenty of questions...
I know i am trying to as we speak. I have yet to get an activation at the forum he is on so i can't even log in to search for the threads he made let alone post hey zedder24 sup yeah *pulls you to penocks to talk at us"
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7658 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
Yeah he put a dsm motor in a fiero but is it running properly? I don't see the big deal with 4 cylinders because they all suck, but that is just my opinion and experinces. They are very peaky motors meaning they have to rev high to make good power. Good for him and to each their own.
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I don't care that is cool as hell no matter who you are. i love tha tmotor and tranny setup. And i have been looking to do that myself for a long time. but i was swayed otherwise and now that i found the guy who did it (sort of) i am going to. that is exactly how i like my cars RWD 4cyl turbo with lots of potential reliability good MPG ability (if one has the know - how) light well handling Mid engined. and CHEAP. the mr2s are not only expenisive to start but have almost no potential as for aftermarket. there is not aftermarket in compared to the dsm. So you have a fiero dsm that is the best car you could have to me. anyone who hears a 4cyl fiero and tries to race won't even belive that they just got their arse kicked by a fiero. also that there is an aluminum EVERYTHING and is built for a turbo so as long as you have a 6 bolt no motor probs and turbo probs (other than the usual with a turbo car) and the friggen motor has got to be WAY lighter than ours and with new things as a better intercooler we can run a lot better those old coolers suck.
I just emailed the moderators. I hope to get anythign back from them so i can get into the site.
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THE BEAST Member
Posts: 1177 From: PORT SAINT LUCIE,FLORIDA,USA Registered: Dec 2000
I have Fiero GT and an EVO VIII with the latest 4g63 variant(non Mivec)... I can attest that this particular "4 cylinder" is quite fine I must say. The corvettes that I have left in my wake can also attest to it(let me qualify this... Pre-2006 C6- that car is just nuts!...drool.....)....... Yes I am modded slightly with the EVO, but it is a cast iron block with state of the art components. It isn't your garden variety 4 banger by any means.....I definitely wouldn't be putting a quad 4 in there and modding the crap out of it. Obviously if you could put an LS1 or an LS2(does it fit? has anyone tried?) and blow the crap out of it, you could get gobs of torque! but the weight distribution would be horrid I would think. In a straight line I am sure you could do great, but in an autocross forget it.....
That 4g63 block/motor has been developed for over a decade and a half for strenuous racing/rallying...... Sorry but I have to defend that 4g63. I would love to drop an EVO motor in my Fiero... If i could only get my fiero to handle a .98g skipdad like my EVO.......I think that would be a perfect marriage of old tech and new tech for a Fiero.....
I am guessing that was a sub 12 second run.....anyone know? Tim
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
I have a video with that same white bumperpad coupe pulling some wheelies running the 1/8th. 103.44 mph in 6.40 (very hard to read the time in the video) seconds. Thing moves good, pretty sure its a SBC of some sort. I found the video on the forum some time ago.
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CTFieroGT87 Member
Posts: 2520 From: Royal Oak, MI Registered: Oct 2002
Obviously if you could put an LS1 or an LS2(does it fit? has anyone tried?) and blow the crap out of it, you could get gobs of torque! but the weight distribution would be horrid I would think. In a straight line I am sure you could do great, but in an autocross forget it.....
I'm quite confident an LSx all aluminum engine would not mess up the weight distribution of the Fiero.
------------------ Christian Thomas 87 Pontiac Fiero GT Burgandy/Silver 5.7L ZZ4 5spd 301rwhp/345rwtq Next Mod: 88 suspension
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SOULCRUSHER Member
Posts: 1012 From: Waldorf, MD Registered: May 2004
Is this video supposed to be of the DSM powered Fiero?
------------------ 1988 Purple Fiero GTw/SC3800 conversion Best ET with 3.0 pulley,XPHOT cam, SS I/C and 105lb Valve springs: 12.38@110mph Best 60 Foot ever: 1.699
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
I am thinking not.... The 4g63 needs to be revved before launch... Didn't hear the signature wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhhh that you hear on EVO luanches... There are several sub 12 second EVo's out there though.
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SOULCRUSHER Member
Posts: 1012 From: Waldorf, MD Registered: May 2004
i dididn't think it was, but is this guy claiming it is? I have seen this car before, and believe it is supposed to be a 4.3 V6 turbo. Either way that thing is haulin ass. Its an 1/8th mile track right?
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Steven Snyder Member
Posts: 3326 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Mar 2004
See if you guys can register and log in for some reason it is not letting me. that is the forum he is on. http://newengdsm.org/forums/index.php NewEngDSM.org :: Index
Yeah me too ( i mean about the swap) as far as i can tell if this is easy as it looks this woudl be the perfec tswap for MANY reasons wich i will get into later when i get an email from him. Speaking of which i foudn his email and i just emailed him.
cross your fingers for him to reply.
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HI-TECH Member
Posts: 1697 From: manteca, california Registered: Jul 2005
dunno why some of you people are bagging the 4g63, there just like the old 3800 series 1 n/a...good power and lots of reliability and the car pritty much falls apart around the motor. would be a nice swap to see finished and see how it preforms, the 4g63t has alot of aftermarket and alot of potental
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zedder24 Member
Posts: 29 From: Worcester, MA, USA Registered: Jan 2002
I had no idea there was this much excitement about this little project. I have been into Fieros, MR2s, and DSMs for over 10 years now. I've been registered here for some time but the last time I posted there wasn't a lot of interest. I bought this 87GT in 1999 and have worked on it when I have the time and money. I don't have any desire to make a "kit" as it would be hella expensive. Everything is custom in a project like this.
The Fiero itself has 68k miles on it, it's just a baby! Motor is a 4g63 out of a 1990 TSi along with its corresponding wiring harness. I may convert to a 91-94 harness because of the availibility of parts. Turbo is a Mitsu 20g 660cc Denso injectors DSMLink engine management (www.dsmlink.com) Big Intercooler in truck with ducting below DSM shifter in place of Fiero shifter using custom cables FWD DSM trans with Quaife diff custom axles Toyota Supra TT fuel pump
No, it doesn't run yet. The video in that directory is just inspiration every once in a while. If you think this car won't be able to pop a wheel off the line... just wait.
If you have any specific questions, let me know, however I'm not going to defend my choice of motor.
------------------ Greg B. 87 Fiero GT TSi 93 Talon TSi AWD 11.52 @ 123
Why the 4g63 over the Gn motor? it breaths better and there is a much better aftermarket for this than not. -------------------------- To Zedder: Thanx for coming back over it is much appriciated.
Do you have any diagrams of the mounts and shift linakage, and axels?
What troubles did you have getting the motor in? I mean did you have any fiting issues?
What did you do for axels?
Do you have any measuer ments in which where it should be place on the cradel?
Does that engine sit on top of the tranny? because as far as i can gell it looks like it.
how does the fiting for the stock hood fit.
Do you have any diagrams for wiring it together? Who are you having do the chip? darth?
Who is this "Alex" i keep reading about? is he doing the swap or are you?
what do you have left to do for the swap to get it running?
How long have you been working on this and how long do you think it would take?
What kind of money was involved in this?
Was the car a stick to start out with?
would it make a difference if it was an auto matic vers a stick?
And speaking of money. i know you said you did not want to make this a kit. BUT - if you do not have diagrams or any of that other info and heck even if you do have them. If you made all these custom parts yourself. Whould you be willing to make them for others if paid to do so? And if you would what would be your price?
------------ Thanx again zedder24 for coming over!
oops i guess there is more.. By searching for your user name in the archives i found two threads that you were in if i would have know you were ever pat of the forum i guess that would haev made it alot easier to get a hold of you.
There is another guy talking about doing the same swap. do we know what ever happend to him? "the fieromaster"?
Do you have any diagrams of the mounts and shift linakage, and axels? No, the motor mounts are stock DSM motor mounts welded to the frame or cradle of the Fiero. You can see the mounts in the pics here: http://www.phobia.net/~dsm4sale/fiero/engineinstall The shifter is a stock DSM shifter mounted in place of the Fiero shifter. We sent a set of stock cables out to a place in CA and they made some MUCH longer cables. Axles are stock DSM axles and stock Fiero axles cut and welded appropriately. If they don't hold up I'll look into getting some from a place like the Driveshaft Shop.
What troubles did you have getting the motor in? I mean did you have any fiting issues? I had a lot of help. Otherwise, it does fit in there, as you can see.
What did you do for axels? See above.
Do you have any measuer ments in which where it should be place on the cradel? There is only about an inch on either side, so it should be pretty obvious once you get in there.
Does that engine sit on top of the tranny? because as far as i can gell it looks like it. ?
how does the fiting for the stock hood fit. The Fiero decklid does NOT fit on there. I have to find a fiberglass guy to rework it.
Do you have any diagrams for wiring it together? Who are you having do the chip? darth? It's a stock DSM harness. The engine management is from www.dsmlink.com
Who is this "Alex" i keep reading about? is he doing the swap or are you? Alex is helping me with this part of the swap. He run Dent Sport... www.dentsport.com
what do you have left to do for the swap to get it running? Could be another 7 years. Still have the wiring to actually do, get the shifter cables to actually shift the trans, finish the intercooler piping, exhaust is going to be a challenge.... coolant and fuel lines... install the clutch and hydrolics to mate up to the Fiero stuff. Good times ahead.
How long have you been working on this and how long do you think it would take? I bought the Fiero in 1999 and have been working on it off and on since then.
What kind of money was involved in this? I'm almost at $10,000 right now.
Was the car a stick to start out with? Yes, 5sp Getrag trans.
would it make a difference if it was an auto matic vers a stick? Yes.
And speaking of money. i know you said you did not want to make this a kit. BUT - if you do not have diagrams or any of that other info and heck even if you do have them. If you made all these custom parts yourself. Whould you be willing to make them for others if paid to do so? And if you would what would be your price?
Seeing that you and i just talked over AIM i thought it would be bennificial for everyone to see or discussion. Here you go guys i am lambog24 and he is zedder24 (duh)
Session Start (LamboG24:zedder24): Fri Feb 03 08:22:17 2006 [08:22] LamboG24: hey zedder this is vega [08:22] zedder24: hi [08:22] LamboG24: so you got my email then? [08:23] LamboG24: its funny you must feel like some sort of celebrity [08:23] LamboG24: i'm not trying to its just that i wanted to do the same thing to the fiero ever since i knew anything about dsms and fieros [08:24] LamboG24: i personally think mitsu should have made a mid egine 4g63 car it would be insane [08:24] LamboG24: and do you think that this is all that accurate? [08:24] LamboG24: (Link: http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ucp?kbb.MN;;MN003;&55304&;155222&;;ucp;&15;EA;B2)http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ucp?kbb.MN;;MN003;&55304&;155222&;;ucp;&15;EA;B2 [08:25] zedder24: it's a very expensive project [08:26] LamboG24: as in how expensive? [08:26] zedder24: the reason a kit isn't feasible is because i just used stock DSM motor mounts [08:26] LamboG24: ah [08:26] zedder24: and welded them to the frame [08:26] LamboG24: do you have measeure ments to where you welded them? [08:26] LamboG24: and same thing for the tranny mounts [08:26] zedder24: there is no "bolting on" in this case [08:26] zedder24: i'm close to $10k right now [08:27] LamboG24: what have you spent it all on? [08:27] LamboG24: and that 20g should be up there in price why didn't you just port out the 14? [08:27] zedder24: i don't have measurements, it was more or less done by placement and that was about 4 years ago [08:27] zedder24: almost $10,000 including the car/motor/etc. [08:27] zedder24: i have been doing this a while and wanted to do it right [08:27] zedder24: 20g is a nice turbo and i had it left over from my racecar [08:28] LamboG24: ah i see [08:28] LamboG24: i spent 400 on my fiero [08:28] LamboG24: its an 85 gt 3 spd [08:28] zedder24: my first fiero was an 85gt 4sp stick [08:28] LamboG24: funny this is my first fiero i can pick up a 6 bolt for 600 [08:29] LamboG24: i amnot sure about a tranny and wriing harness and all the other goodies though [08:29] LamboG24: what did you do for linkage? [08:29] LamboG24: and the dog bone? [08:30] zedder24: i sent a set of stock cables to a place in CA [08:30] LamboG24: do you remember the place/ [08:30] zedder24: along with the measurements [08:30] LamboG24: messurements for what exactly? [08:30] zedder24: and they sent me back an extended set of cables [08:30] LamboG24: i see [08:30] LamboG24: how long were they do you remmeber any of that> [08:30] zedder24: the cables come out the FRONT of the shifter [08:30] zedder24: loop around to the back of the car [08:31] zedder24: and loop to the back of the trans [08:31] zedder24: so they're real long [08:31] LamboG24: i see [08:31] zedder24: i don't have it in front of me but that is written down somewhere [08:31] zedder24: you don't need a dog bone [08:31] LamboG24: if you could find all that info and post it any that you have would help. [08:32] LamboG24: i am no matter what going to do the same [08:32] LamboG24: but i don't know if it will cost me 10 grand [08:32] LamboG24: i don't get that one [08:32] LamboG24: custom axels will be about 100 [08:32] LamboG24: or 150 or so [08:32] LamboG24: as far as i know [08:33] LamboG24: excluding the car what do you think you have spent? [08:34] LamboG24: this was the start of it btw [08:34] zedder24: the car was $1100 [08:34] LamboG24: (Link: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1780086#post1780086)http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1780086#post1780086 [08:34] zedder24: the engine and harness was $900 [08:35] LamboG24: kk [08:35] zedder24: the trans and diff were $1500 [08:35] LamboG24: where did you get that special differential? [08:35] zedder24: the axles were actually zero [08:35] zedder24: i took a set of dsm axles and a set of fiero axles [08:35] zedder24: cut and weld [08:35] zedder24: we'll see how long they hold up [08:35] zedder24: diff came from RRE (roadraceengineering.com) [08:35] zedder24: things add up fast, it's not a simple thing [08:36] LamboG24: heah [08:36] LamboG24: why did you use that differential? [08:36] LamboG24: i have never heard of dsms haveing that problme [08:36] LamboG24: i have heard the use of synchormesh was a must but other than that [08:36] LamboG24: i heard they were fine [08:37] LamboG24: do you have any diagrams of the harness ? [08:37] LamboG24: sorry to prod you so much by the way [08:37] zedder24: no problem, i'm at work [08:38] LamboG24: ha ha ha [08:38] LamboG24: aren't you going to get caught? [08:38] zedder24: not me [08:38] LamboG24: lol [08:38] zedder24: i don't have a diagram of the harness, i just pulled one out of a junk car [08:38] zedder24: and i pretty much know where everything goes [08:38] LamboG24: ni i mean how you wiried it to the fiero [08:38] zedder24: oh [08:38] zedder24: that's the easy part [08:38] LamboG24: really? [08:38] zedder24: take out the fiero harness [08:39] LamboG24: yeah yeah [08:39] zedder24: and ECU or whatever you call them [08:39] zedder24: put in DSM ECU [08:39] zedder24: and engine harness, hook up battery and starter [08:39] zedder24: fuel pump [08:39] zedder24: connect to engine and ignition [08:39] LamboG24: thats what do yo mean put in the dsm ecu and engine harness [08:39] LamboG24: just replace th fiero engine harness witht he dsm? [08:39] zedder24: yes [08:39] LamboG24: cool [08:40] zedder24: obviously the chassis harness on the fiero remains fiero [08:40] LamboG24: see that is the stuff i would have the problem figuring out [08:40] LamboG24: wriing [08:40] LamboG24: mostly [08:40] zedder24: the only challenge is the speedo and tach [08:40] LamboG24: so why is it not running yet [08:40] LamboG24: why not put in a aftermarket tach and speedo? [08:41] LamboG24: lets face it fiero's is ugly any way [08:41] LamboG24: i was going to completly custom the intierior my self [08:41] LamboG24: as it is any way i geuss [08:42] zedder24: i would like it to look as stock as possible [08:42] zedder24: but autometer speedo and tach might be the way to go [08:42] LamboG24: i see [08:42] zedder24: the challenges right now are intercooler piping and exhaust [08:42] LamboG24: i guess i just want an incradaly good everythign fiero [08:42] zedder24: me too [08:42] LamboG24: do you know anything about fuel map management [08:42] LamboG24: ? [08:43] zedder24: did you see the most recent pics? (Link: http://www.phobia.net/~dsm4sale/fiero/dentsport)http://www.phobia.net/~dsm4sale/fiero/dentsport [08:43] zedder24: yes [08:43] LamboG24: i have heard EVERY where that one can't get good mpg with out lots of money out of a fast car [08:43] LamboG24: and i have foudn that is bs [08:43] zedder24: that is untrue [08:43] LamboG24: are you on pgmfi.org/ [08:43] zedder24: especially with a 4 cylinder [08:43] LamboG24: yeah i have seen them [08:43] zedder24: no [08:43] LamboG24: chekc out the site [08:43] LamboG24: here this is exactly what i am talking about [08:44] zedder24: last time i drove my racecar out to ohio, i dynoed 410hp to the wheels and got 32mpg [08:44] LamboG24: (Link: http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?t=7340&highlight=moates+moat+512+mog)http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?t=7340&highlight=moates+moat+512+mog [08:44] zedder24: there is already a solution for the DSM motor [08:44] LamboG24: what id that? [08:44] zedder24: (Link: http://www.dsmlink.com)http://www.dsmlink.com [08:45] LamboG24: i have heard of it but what is it [08:45] zedder24: you can adjust airflow, timing, compensate for larger injectors, change rev limits and on and on [08:45] LamboG24: i have always just used turbo edit [08:45] LamboG24: all on the fly [08:45] zedder24: they add a daughterboard to your stock DSM ECU to let you modify the stock tables [08:46] LamboG24: if you look at the link i just sent you there is the same thing for that [08:46] zedder24: well, you need a dsm ecu to run a dsm motor [08:46] zedder24: at least if you want to do it easily [08:46] LamboG24: except you use turbo edit to make "tables" or as i have always known them as bins [08:46] LamboG24: yeah [08:47] LamboG24: what you were looking at the link for the dsmtuners then? [08:47] LamboG24: ha ha ha [08:47] LamboG24: yeah [08:47] LamboG24: i was sorta MOO at the time if you get me [08:47] LamboG24: i am sure you are much more experienced in this then i am [08:48] LamboG24: i am just trying to convice my mentor that the 327 is not a great swap jsut because i have a 125c auto. and the sticks suck for the fieros as it is [08:48] LamboG24: i have a 327 out of a 65 vette [08:48] LamboG24: 350 at the engine [08:48] LamboG24: i also haev camle back heads [08:48] LamboG24: hat was the orginal plan [08:48] LamboG24: but the sticks in these fieors jsut SUCK [08:49] LamboG24: i have driven dsms and fieros for stick wise i like the dsms much more [08:49] LamboG24: btw why again did you use that diff? [08:49] zedder24: because i used to race a FWD talon [08:50] zedder24: and the 60 foot times suffered with an open diff [08:50] zedder24: with the quaife diff, launching was much better, no more one wheel peel outs [08:51] LamboG24: ah i see [08:51] LamboG24: i would just do the free mods to the motor myself [08:51] LamboG24: then i think i would do that after more major upgrades [08:52] zedder24: yeah, i have a little problem with that... i can't put a talon together "stock"... my daily driver talon has almost 400hp [08:52] LamboG24: when i was lookng at awd 92's back in the day they were all out of state and me out of a car so i just ended up geting my awd saffari [08:52] zedder24: i know too much about how easy it is to modify [08:52] LamboG24: yeah it really is [08:52] LamboG24: i knwo the same [08:52] LamboG24: i have done alot of reasearch on the motors they are insane [08:53] LamboG24: jsut like a chev 350 but almost cheaper [08:53] LamboG24: at least to me [08:53] LamboG24: (mostly cause the MPG) [08:53] LamboG24: so do you have a forumual you use for building a dsm? [08:54] LamboG24: you knwo other than using a friggen 20g? [08:54] LamboG24: also do you use a manual boost controller or a elec? [08:55] zedder24: manual boost controller [08:55] LamboG24: btw if i am getting in the way of your work let me know i am hoe all day due to the hours being cut at my current job [08:55] zedder24: buschurracing.com has a good upgrade path [08:55] LamboG24: why kind of MBC is it? [08:55] LamboG24: yeah they are the ones with the 8 second dsm right [08:56] LamboG24: what kind * [08:56] zedder24: it's a hallman [08:56] LamboG24: yeah that's what i kind athought [08:56] LamboG24: pro series? [08:56] zedder24: mine are like a million years old [08:57] zedder24: when there was only one kind [08:57] zedder24: so, probably not pro series [08:57] LamboG24: ah [08:57] LamboG24: from my understanding they make the best mbc [08:57] LamboG24: so you live in masichusetes huh? [08:57] zedder24: yes Session Close (zedder24): Fri Feb 03 08:58:05 2006
Session Start (LamboG24:zedder24): Fri Feb 03 09:03:05 2006 [09:03] LamboG24: sorry my comp is funky sometinmes [09:03] LamboG24: i got dial up sitll [09:04] zedder24: no problem [09:04] zedder24: i have to go on the air, be back in a couple hrs [09:05] LamboG24: cool see ya later
does anyone else hae any concerns about this swap?
Hey kev i am going to atempt to call you are oudn 5:30ish from my gfs. If you are available this weekend i was thinking maybe i could check out your fiero and you mine. and you said you were going to fix up your truck - i could help with the body work if you want. and rememeber i tend to over complicate things- i just like things done right- again the custom painting thing has got me to become a perfectionist. maybe we can talk about the 4g63 swap. to me it is very easily doable- and much under 10 grand i think that if he could use the moutns and just weld them in then spending 10 grand is a litte hard to do. at U-pull i knwo a turbo 4g63 motor for 150 i found it comes with all the goodies inclulidong harness/ecu... i just need a tranny then. i coudl grab the moutns and stuff too. i think that an automatic would be alot easier to do also. whihc luckily i haev an auto yeah the onyl good reason to have the 125 man!
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zedder24 Member
Posts: 29 From: Worcester, MA, USA Registered: Jan 2002
I definitely never thought it was going to be cheap. I also took a lot of liberties. I could have used the stock injectors, stock MAF, stock turbo, stock cams, stock diff and ghetto rigged a lot of stuff. But I didn't, and I think it will be all the nicer because of it. I've also got a new suspension and brakes for the Fiero.
I think a 3800SC or some V8 would be a great project as well. However, I don't know 1/10th as much about a GM V6 or V8 as I do the Mitsu 4g63T. This started out as some weird idea back when I had an 85GT Fiero and a front driver turbo Talon in 1998. My knowledge and the scope of this project have grown during that time, so here is where I am now. I don't have any secrets as to what I'm doing and would welcome a whole fleet of 4g63 powered Fieros! It would, however, be nice to be the first to complete it. I know I'm the first to have started it at least.
I say you are a true pioneer and it is always cool to pave a path, BUT for 10k? The 3.8sc or v8 sounds cheaper and faster.
I do not think anyone in this thread is interested in debating the economics of engine swaps whether it is a 3.8 vs. 350 vs. DSM vs. 4.6 vs. Cummins vs. H2 fuel cell vs. solid rocket boosters etc etc. I think they want to discuss swapping a DSM motor... I could be wrong
I think this swap is cool. There are people dropping $10K+ into 3.4 DOHC swaps that aren't running yet, so this is totally reasonable. The engines can obviously be built to obscene power levels, so this should be a fun car with lots of potential.
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Rickady88GT Member
Posts: 10655 From: Central CA Registered: Dec 2002
I do not think anyone in this thread is interested in debating the economics of engine swaps whether it is a 3.8 vs. 350 vs. DSM vs. 4.6 vs. Cummins vs. H2 fuel cell vs. solid rocket boosters etc etc. I think they want to discuss swapping a DSM motor... I could be wrong
You got a point, but some of the people that want to do the swap should know all of the facts, and the money is part of the swap. But I do agree that the cost or practicality is not up for debate in this thread, just the facts.
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Disillusion Member
Posts: 1132 From: Victoria, B.C, Canada Registered: Nov 2004
Reading JCW's reply gives me an idea. Stay tooned for my solid rocket boosters build thread! lol in all seriousness this is quite the swap. who cares how fast it goes or if it's the best choice for a fiero. it's one damned good fabrication feat
