Although I never raced at Seekonk, I went to a bunch of the races a few years ago. You may have talked with Leon in the green Talon or one of the other guys. I remember at least one Fiero there. Leon and I came up with the idea of putting the 4g63 in the Fiero, and I ran with it. He is now putting a 4g63 in a Triumph TR-7.
Yeah, Leon!
It was me. Was here there when I smacked my 88GT head on into the concrete wall? So you are the one he was talking about then...
Small world. I'm in a law suit over my soon-to-be Seekonk-winning Fiero. I may buy a 4.9 Fiero from the Fiero Factory next month...I'd need to fix the bump-steer before I raced that at Seekonk...
Bob: My buddy works at EMC and I have my second interview there on Wednesday.
Dyno day: We could have it at DentSport in Norwood. www.dentsport.com I would have to show up in my MR2, though.
Lou: Good luck with the lawsuit. I was there when you smacked the wall.
4g63 Fiero update: We pulled the motor this past weekend to clean it up, remove more things from the rear subframe we won't be using and work out the wiring harness. I also removed all the offending front end parts that were hit. Luckily, just about everything will bolt back on correctly. A large order to the Fiero Store in CT will be taking place soon.
This week we'll work on the fuel system.
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Apr 3rd, 2007
zedder24 Member
Posts: 29 From: Worcester, MA, USA Registered: Jan 2002
Can someone change the title of this post to something like: 4g63 Fiero Build or something? I don't know what that guy vega did to get banned, but I have an idea.
Thanks.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 41280 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
You might email Cliff at the "contact us" link at the bottom of the page. We can't change thread titles. He probably can.
Cool swap! Even though I'm a V6, V8, GM kinda person (aka knuckledragger), I look forward to seeing it running. It's *always* cool to bolt two things together that have never been bolted together before.
Please keep us posted.
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crab daddy Member
Posts: 119 From: Attleboro, MA Registered: Feb 2007
Although I never raced at Seekonk, I went to a bunch of the races a few years ago. You may have talked with Leon in the green Talon or one of the other guys. I remember at least one Fiero there. Leon and I came up with the idea of putting the 4g63 in the Fiero, and I ran with it. He is now putting a 4g63 in a Triumph TR-7.
Is Leon the guy in the two tone talon? that dark green on half the car and lime on the other half? If so, I remember seeing him at NED a couple years ago. the car was all banged up and i remember thinking it was a total POS... Until I saw it run in the 10s
someone told me later that he had hit a wall at seekonk right before that.
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Riceburner98 Member
Posts: 2179 From: Natick, Ma, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Zedder - I sent a PM about EMC, good luck on Wednesday! I'd love to meet up at a dyno day if it was in Norwood, it's practically in my backyard. LOL I too wouldn't have my Fiero though, unfortunately haven't even seen it in months... I'd run my tC, but that would be pointless. No power there! haha
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Bob: My buddy works at EMC and I have my second interview there on Wednesday.
Dyno day: We could have it at DentSport in Norwood. www.dentsport.com I would have to show up in my MR2, though.
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Apr 7th, 2007
zedder24 Member
Posts: 29 From: Worcester, MA, USA Registered: Jan 2002
We stripped down the 4g63 to rebuild it. We removed the A/C system entirely from the car. We dropped the fuel tank and installed a Walbro 255lph pump. Where is the fuel pump relay?!
The interior is now just about completely gutted for cleaning and weight reduction. We'll be putting that back together slowly with the help of another, much more Fiero-knowledgeable friend.
My wife and I made a trip to the Fiero Store in CT this morning to pick up some parts. I've got a new radiator, heater core, heater lines, wheel bearings, fuel lines and a few other random parts that will make their way onto my car.
The fuel pump relay and A/C relay are identical and located side by side on the firewall, drivers side, up top close to the louver. You may have removed the fuel pump relay if you removed the whole engine wiring harness from the car. The wires to the relay are in the same bundle that hold the intake temp sensor wires so its easy just to pull the relay out with the wires and leave it connected.
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Apr 29th, 2007
BV MotorSports Member
Posts: 4821 From: Oak Hill, WV Registered: May 2001
If I actually attempt this swap I'll just pick up a new Evo IX crate motor w/ harness and ECU. Mitsu is selling them for less than 7k. No need to deal with the old crank walking DSM motors!
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Apr 30th, 2007
nichols Junior Member
Posts: 3 From: Worcester County, MA Registered: Mar 2007
Generally speaking, it's pretty rare to find a 6-bolt motor (model years '90-92) that crankwalks. Hence, the motor going into this Fiero is a 6-bolt. I have no doubt in my mind that it should make well north of 350hp daily driven without a problem. Well, at least from the engine's perspective. Shaking it down in the Fiero chassis might prove to be a tad interesting.
By the way, hi. I'm the guy who owns the garage where the 4g63 Fiero currently sits. I'm also the person that works at EMC - that's my truck towing the fiero on the trailer.
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Jun 28th, 2007
zedder24 Member
Posts: 29 From: Worcester, MA, USA Registered: Jan 2002
It needs 3 people to start it - one to hold the fuel pump power wire on (our relay setup did not work, yet), one to fiddle with the cam angle sensor and crack the throttle a little and one to actually turn the key.
Now for all the little things that will take lots of time. I'll be sure to get some pics and we'll do our best to get a movie at some point.
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Xanth Member
Posts: 6886 From: Massachusetts Registered: May 2006
What happened to American automobile pride in it's first mid engined car? A Japanese Mitsubishi engine in a Fiero... that's sacrilegious!!!!!! Those engines put out about 271 HP but the cost of a swap (per HP) would prove very high. To each his own but I wouldn't do this swap as the choices that we have to reach or exceed the cost per HP figure that this engine provides are many. I've also never been fond of the torque curves provided by most 4 bangers. They tend to be weak at the bottom and strong at the top. For the enthusiast that wants something different I guess that the Mitsubishi provides it but I don't beleive that this swap will become popular. A better choice for a four swap may be the Ecotec.
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zedder24 Member
Posts: 29 From: Worcester, MA, USA Registered: Jan 2002
Wow, I never thought of that. Tonight I'll be tearing the Fiero down and putting in some AMERICAN MADE ENGINE!!!
This turbo and motor combination is very streetable and should produce ~500hp/~350tq at the crank somewhere around 6k RPM. As I've mentioned before, I *know* I could have been in an ecotec, quad4, lt1, 3800, etc etc. However, I know the 4g63 very well and I'm pretty fond of it.
I honestly don't care if it becomes popular or if the whole thing explodes in my face. My buddies and I did most of the work ourselves, in a garage, with a couple welders, air tools and brains. It's been a fun project and I expect nothing out of it. I'm sorry if it offends you, but it is what it is.
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Dennis LaGrua Member
Posts: 16017 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
Wow, I never thought of that. Tonight I'll be tearing the Fiero down and putting in some AMERICAN MADE ENGINE!!!
This turbo and motor combination is very streetable and should produce ~500hp/~350tq at the crank somewhere around 6k RPM. As I've mentioned before, I *know* I could have been in an ecotec, quad4, lt1, 3800, etc etc. However, I know the 4g63 very well and I'm pretty fond of it.
I honestly don't care if it becomes popular or if the whole thing explodes in my face. My buddies and I did most of the work ourselves, in a garage, with a couple welders, air tools and brains. It's been a fun project and I expect nothing out of it. I'm sorry if it offends you, but it is what it is.
Don't get the wrong impression. I am not at all offended by your project and if Japanese engines are your preference, I wish you the very best. You have every right to determine your own engine choice. I just fond the Mitsubishi to be an odd engine choice for a Fiero!!
------------------ 87GT 3.4 Turbo- 0-60 5.2 seconds 2006 3800SC Series III swap in progress Engine Controls, PCM goodies, re-programming & odd electronics stuff " I'M ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
zedder, I didnt realize this was the same person, when I emailed you last night. Its cool that you still post here. I thought this thread went dead a long time ago. Anyways, you've got mail.
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Chris Hodson Member
Posts: 3101 From: Carpentersville Registered: Aug 2006
Wow, I never thought of that. Tonight I'll be tearing the Fiero down and putting in some AMERICAN MADE ENGINE!!!
This turbo and motor combination is very streetable and should produce ~500hp/~350tq at the crank somewhere around 6k RPM. As I've mentioned before, I *know* I could have been in an ecotec, quad4, lt1, 3800, etc etc. However, I know the 4g63 very well and I'm pretty fond of it.
I honestly don't care if it becomes popular or if the whole thing explodes in my face. My buddies and I did most of the work ourselves, in a garage, with a couple welders, air tools and brains. It's been a fun project and I expect nothing out of it. I'm sorry if it offends you, but it is what it is.
I would love to see it some time if that's possible. I am all for the alternative engine swaps, would like to see one actually in progress.
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I'll try and post some pictures up tomorrow. I spent the last eight hours or so priming and painting (at least the first coat) the back end of the car so it's now down to only THREE different colors instead of five. The passenger front fender was red, the drivers' front fender was primer black, the hood was gloss black, the rest of the car was maroon, and the rear bumper cover was yellow. Now, at least the back of the car is black, and the front of the car is black, primer black, and red.
I'm going to try to get the back of the car sanded and the second coat shot tomorrow night. If that's thick enough and it looks ok after the second coat (we're only really going for a 'three foot car' at the moment here), I'll tape the back of the car off so I can start shooting the front.
This has been one hell of a project, though. We have completely run the gamut in the garage - assembled the motor, fabricated and welded quite a few things on the car, figured out how to hack the wiring to make it actually start the motor, plumb all new lines for, well, EVERYTHING (fuel, coolant, clutch lines, etc), a bunch of body and frame work to repair the accident in the front of the car, ripped metal off, welded it back on more unbent than it was, built a custom exhaust, and we still have quite a few things left to tackle.
But, at least it's starting to look like a complete car again.
The misinformation posted above regarding Japanese motors and their characteristics is pretty amusing. Dennis, the next time you're up in my area, let me know and we can take my four banger for a spin - seriously. I'll bet it'll at least give you something to consider pretty heavily if it doesn't change your mind. ;-) If you're already going through the work to mount it in a Fiero, it'd be very silly to put in a 4g63 with a relatively stock setup, especially considering the absolutely incredible aftermarket available for it, and the following behind the motor.
Both Greg and I have been playing with Eclipses/Talons/etc for more than ten years, so that's one of the reasons this makes sense for us - believe me, if I slapped an LS1 or an Ecotec in a Fiero, I'd have NO clue wtf to do should anything go wrong. It's a different story with this motor setup.
I can't wait for the ride where we scare the absolute hell out of ourselves when we finally run decent boost on the car and drop the hammer for the first time. Either it will hold together and we'll have two sets of skid marks (on the ground and in our pants), or it blows up and we have some great carnage pictures.
Bedtime - look forward to pictures soon - I promise.
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lou_dias Member
Posts: 5387 From: Warwick, RI Registered: Jun 2000
Glad you guys are moving along. Join me in the boosted Fiero club and let's take Seekonk Speedway by storm. I'm doing a 20 second lap on street tires. The best 3 cars there are doing 18 seconds on Nittos and the like. Time to get me some spare wheels and throw some Nittos on there. What wheels are you guys going to use?
-Lou
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nichols Junior Member
Posts: 3 From: Worcester County, MA Registered: Mar 2007
I am thinking about starting to swap an extra 4g63 that I have laying around into my Fiero. I have thought about doing it before but never started. This thread has rekindled the fire and I really want to go along with the swap. I too know the 4g63 very well and think it will be perfect for the Fiero.
Keep us updated on the project!
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Sep 11th, 2008
zedder24 Member
Posts: 29 From: Worcester, MA, USA Registered: Jan 2002
Real quick update. I had a son in November 2007 so progress has been wicked slow.
When I installed the custom shifter cables, I used sheet metal screws and drilled into the gas tank. As with all things, if you're going to do it, you may as well over do it. We ripped out all the stock fuel stuff, mounted a 5 gal fuel cell in the frunk and an A1000 fuel pump in the tunnel where the tank was. -8AN feed line and -6AN return line. I simplified some of the battery wiring and it continues to run.
In a few weeks, I have another day off and we'll finish up the wiring to make it much neater and also simplify the exhaust.
Thanks for the continued interest.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38889 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
I see alot of critisism here for a pioneering project. I, pretty much, am a GM person and a muscle car person at that. I have 2 Fieros and one with a L67 swap with around 350HP to the wheels. I love that car and it has low 12s in it no trouble. 32 MPG. My 87 GT is getting a more wild turbo 3800 ;-) Guys, my buddy and I have decided to do a 4G63 swap in an 84 or 85. We are gonna do our own setup as not to copy what anyone else has already done. Id be interested in any info that you guys have run across regaurding using an auto tranny and what axles we need. Im all about American muscle, BUT, Im an open minded person as well. It is to each is own as far as Im concerned, but Im gonna throw out there that I am shooting to outrun my 3800 SC. That is NOT gonna be a slow car. I think it takes a very innovative mind and patient person to try this swap and I commend the effort. We are gonna try one too. I am learning from my ricer buddies about these engines every day. Im excited and I hope to see more on this post. Keep up the good work guys. Again, any helpful info would be great in our effort to assemble this setup.
lol ok so yeah maybe i was doing a little digging but it was suggested by a few others on here that befor asking questions, I should try the search deal first. So I did and actually found what I was looking for. 4G63 Fiero, I guess good ideas get passed around some after all. I dont know if these guys have finished their project yet but ours is about to get underway. We have located a BUNCH of 4G63 engines, turbo and non turbo. We have a parts list and a donor car. Everyone said this was gonna be expensive but so far its not lookin too bad. Of course this was 2 years ago. Im going to start a thread on our build shortly. I cant wait to hear more on these guys project.
The passenger front fender was red, the drivers' front fender was primer black, the hood was gloss black, the rest of the car was maroon, and the rear bumper cover was yellow. Now, at least the back of the car is black, and the front of the car is black, primer black, and red. 
