You've prooved nothing phranc. Really,let it go, nothing more to say here, its o.k.
I've proved plenty. One of those things you illustrate right here. And that would be your programming is so deeply ingrained you will ignore fact and logic and reason so you can cling onto fairytales of your imaginary friend. Believers in gods are nothing more then weak minded people who can't get over their brainwashing.
Just remember the only reason you believe in a god is because you have been told to by your parents and your community.
Originally posted by avengador1: Like I said above, ask your priest if you have any doubts. They enjoy these type of conversations.
Not as much as you would think. Confront a priest with facts, logic, reason and common sense and they like all the other brainwashed cristians get frustrated when you show how ridiculous their dogma is. Then they fall back on how you need faith. Yes you do need faith. With out blind faith no one would believe a word of that crap.
Regarding use of the word brethren, it is used in a literal PHYSICAL blood relative sense, and also in a spiritual sense. That is why I CAPITALIZED physical in my answer--to emphasize that it is physical.
So to tell whether the word brethren is used in the PHYSICAL or SPIRITUAL (as in, being believers, we are in God's family so spiritually we are brothers sense), it would be determined by the CONTEXT.
So I gave you the verse that CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY from the context was talking about a PHYSICAL FAMILY, and SPECIFICALLY mentions brethren and NAMES them.
Regarding Joseph, there is nothing in the Bible about him being old. There is nothing in the Bible about him having children from a different wife. And there is nothing about being old and married that makes it, then, that they don't have sexual roles and obligations in marriage. It would be fun to talk to a priest about it. And I wouldn't go to try to "win any debate". As I said, the CRITICAL thing is whether Mary was a virgin BEFORE Jesus was born. One thing I would be curious to know from a priest, and also from you, is WHY is it important to you if Mary was a virgin for her entire life. As I previously mentioned about that, there is nothing unique, special, nor scripturally required about that.
Phranc, I guess you had some rotten priests teaching you then. All the ones I have had discussions with were able to get the answers, if they weren't sure, and not give cop out answers. A Bible is always handy to them for finding the right passages. No wonder you are an unbeliever. The answers aren't hard to find today with the help of the internet. The only problem is that you can find answers for both sides of the question. You need to decide which side answer you want, the ones that are church approved, depending on which church you belong to, or the ones from those who don't approve of the church's teachings. Don't mock people's faith just because you lack it or do not understand it. People are as free to believe in what they want to as you are to not believe. Stop being sacrilegious and a blasphemer.
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Galatians 6:7-8: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."
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"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap." Galatians 6:7
"And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber." 2 Peter 2:2-3
"Fools mock at sin, but among the upright there is favor." Proverbs 14:9
"And he [the antichrist or lawless one] was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies.... Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Revelation 13:5-8
"For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man." Mark 7:21-23
"...put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering...." Colossians 3:8-12
"I am in derision daily; everyone mocks me. For when I spoke, I cried out; I shouted, 'Violence and plunder!' Because the word of the Lord was made to me a reproach and a derision daily. Then I said, 'I will not make mention of Him, nor speak anymore in His name.' But His word was in my heart like a burning fire shut up in my bones; I was weary of holding it back, and I could not." Jeremiah 20:7-9
"Now the men who held Jesus mocked Him and beat Him. And having blindfolded Him, they struck Him on the face and asked Him, saying, 'Prophesy! Who is the one who struck You?' And many other things they blasphemously spoke against Him." Luke 22:63-65
"And they bowed the knee before Him and mocked Him, saying, 'Hail, King of the Jews!' Then they spat on Him, and took the reed and struck Him on the head. And when they had mocked Him, they took the robe off Him, put His own clothes on Him, and led Him away to be crucified." Matthew 27:29-31
"Blessed is the man who
- Walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
- Nor stands in the path of sinners,
- Nor sits in the seat of the scornful [mockers];
But his delight is in the law of the Lord,
And in His law he meditates day and night." Psalm 1:1-2
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Regarding Joseph, there is nothing in the Bible about him being old. There is nothing in the Bible about him having children from a different wife. And there is nothing about being old and married that makes it, then, that they don't have sexual roles and obligations in marriage.
Do a search for the Protoevangelium of James or the Gospel of James.The Gospel of James may be the earliest surviving document attesting the veneration of Mary by stating her perpetual virginity and presenting her as the new Eve. This is why her virginity is so important. She basically was a nun and all that it means being one. Read the articles in the links I posted previously. Here is a link to a Wiki article on Gospel of James, it's a readers digest of what is contained in this Gospel. If that isn't good enough for you do more research into his Gospel. I know you want answers, but you also have to be willing to find some on your own, not just make a statement, like the one I quoted from you above, without looking for an answer first. The internet is a wonderful tool for finding answers if you are willing to invest a little time and effort. You still should speak to your priest if you are confused or need answers. They can point you in the right direction and are more qualified than I am.
Phranc, I guess you had some rotten priests teaching you then. All the ones I have had discussions with were able to get the answers, if they weren't sure, and not give cop out answers. A Bible is always handy to them for finding the right passages. No wonder you are an unbeliever. The answers aren't hard to find today with the help of the internet. The only problem is that you can find answers for both sides of the question. You need to decide which side answer you want, the ones that are church approved, depending on which church you belong to, or the ones from those who don't approve of the church's teachings. Don't mock people's faith just because you lack it or do not understand it. People are as free to believe in what they want to as you are to not believe. Stop being sacrilegious and a blasphemer.
The bible is always handy but it fails when confronted with logic, reason, common sense and facts. I'm an nonbeliever because its crap not because a few priests couldn't defend their crap. "Church approved" you mean the brainwashing. I don't want that answer I want the honest answer. I understand faith just fine. Faith is what weak minded people use to shield them selves from reality so they can feel special. Faith is what they use so they can ignore reality and insert dogma. Like Mary being a virgin and Jesus being more then just a man. I'll stop being "sacrilegious and a blasphemer" when your god shows itself. But since there is no god and that wont happen I will not stop exposing religion for the crap it is. Its ok for you to quote the bible and make claims that hold water of examination but I can't point out how full of crap the bible is.
Do a search for the Protoevangelium of James or the Gospel of James.The Gospel of James may be the earliest surviving document attesting the veneration of Mary by stating her perpetual virginity and presenting her as the new Eve. This is why her virginity is so important. She basically was a nun and all that it means being one. Read the articles in the links I posted previously. Here is a link to a Wiki article on Gospel of James, it's a readers digest of what is contained in this Gospel. If that isn't good enough for you do more research into his Gospel. I know you want answers, but you also have to be willing to find some on your own, not just make a statement, like the one I quoted from you above, without looking for an answer first. The internet is a wonderful tool for finding answers if you are willing to invest a little time and effort. You still should speak to your priest if you are confused or need answers. They can point you in the right direction and are more qualified than I am.
The internet is great. You can find sites that point out all the inconsistencies in the gospels. Like how they can't even agree on the names of the apostles. You can also find all the gospels and books left out of the bible. You know all the ones that were discarded so christianity could be refined to say exactly what some priests want it to say. That way they could leave the bad parts like how Jesus was a murdering little brat. And things like gospels written by women. Can't have women writing things.
I found the correct definiton of what you are Phranc. You are a Heretic, although blasphemer and sacrilegious also suit you fine. Since you are all of these, your religious views are not to be believed, as they contradict that which us "true" Christians believe in. You can call it brainwashing, fairy tales or whatever you want. Those of us who truly believe will get our just rewards, when the rhapsody arrives. That is our belief and faith. The Bible is the recorded accounts and words of the saints as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. It isn't the word of God.
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The Holy Spirit will teach you all things. John 14:26. He desires to teach you individual, personal things about yourself, and how he wants you to live, how he wants you to improve, what he wants you to deny - as well as encourage you, tell you of his love for you, and open up the scriptures to you, including the mysteries. If you limit yourself to reading the Bible, you will only get crumbs beneath the table.
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Christ is the Word of God, not the Bible. The Bible has His recorded words in them, but they are words without spirit. There are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, [this is Jesus, not the Bible] and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one, 1 John 5:7.
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There is no conflict with what the Spirit of God has written and what the Spirit of God will speak to you; but recorded words are the letter that kills; not the spirit, which gives life. When Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter and Paul spoke of the scriptures, they used the word 'scriptures,' not the Word of God. The Bible refers to the Word of God as spoken or spirit, which is living and active, Heb 4:12.
Those of us that are real "believers" only use the Bible as a learning guide or stepstone to our beliefs, but you have to have faith and do not be misguided. If you want to read more about the sections I quoted, the full article is here.
Many from "good Bible-believing, Bible-loving churches," today say you can't hear God's voice any more. They say that is why we have the Bible, because God's voice cannot be heard any more. I say they can't hear God's voice because, like the Pharisees before them, they are so busy talking and reading scriptures they think guarantee them eternal life, that they are not listening. The Bible seekers say that since you can't hear his voice anymore, then the Bible is his sole record left for us. They say since it is impossible to hear his voice any more, you must study the Bible; don't waste you time trying to hear the Lord. They say studying the Bible, (their Word of God), is how to grow as a Christian. They say you must meditate on their "Word" to be taught by the Spirit; but that is like walking into a classroom and demanding the teacher answer all your questions, which rather limits the teacher's ability to teach you what he knows you need to know. So, rather than arrogantly demanding that the teacher follow your lead, just humbly listen for his teaching, allowing God to lead you and set the agenda.
Be careful who you are listening to though, it could be the Devil. Just ask yourself, what would Jesus do?
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But you are just a niger so you can't help it. man." A niger like you lies when confronted with his lack of education. But you don't really care that you are dishonest niger.
I think you just got your second - from this thread, Phranc. Can't you debate without getting this insulting. It's bad enough you constantly bash on Christians because you have no faith, but to insult and degrade someone at this level is going too far.
I hope that some day you can shake that hate you have for everyone that isn't like you. Go ahead and start attacking me now........
I think you just got your second - from this thread, Phranc. Can't you debate without getting this insulting. It's bad enough you constantly bash on Christians because you have no faith, but to insult and degrade someone at this level is going too far.
I hope that some day you can shake that hate you have for everyone that isn't like you. Go ahead and start attacking me now........
I don't bash on christian because I don't have faith I bash on christianity for being based on lies and call christians what they are, brainwashed. Insult and degrade some one at what level? He chose the level he wanted to seen at when asked me if I was raped and made lie after lie. He willing acts like a niger so I will call him one. And since you have failed to honestly quote me I'll do it for you.
"Again with the reading the bible twice. It's bad enough but then you go and repeat a lie again even after you've been called out on that lie. But you are just a niger so you can't help it. To quote Dre quoting some one else. "I'll stop calling you nigers when you start acting like black man." A niger like you lies when confronted with his lack of education. But you don't really care that you are dishonest niger. If you did you would have stopped intentionally lying a few pages ago. But you keep reinforcing those stereotypes and make sure after you do it you ***** and moan about them and how unfair they are.
Just to recap it's not your colour that makes you a niger it is the actions you willing take."
I don't hate everyone not like me. But if that is what you need to believe to make your self better then by all means don't let the truth get in the way.
Wow, I missed that one somehow. Since Phranc quoted himself, I see it is true and I am a bit shocked. Tone it down Phranc, that is certainly uncalled for.
I found the correct definiton of what you are Phranc. You are a Heretic, although blasphemer and sacrilegious also suit you fine. Since you are all of these, your religious views are not to be believed, as they contradict that which us "true" Christians believe in. You can call it brainwashing, fairy tales or whatever you want. Those of us who truly believe will get our just rewards, when the rhapsody arrives. That is our belief and faith. The Bible is the recorded accounts and words of the saints as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. It isn't the word of God.
Be careful who you are listening to though, it could be the Devil. Just ask yourself, what would Jesus do?
True christians believe that crap they are brainwashed to believe. There are no just rewards to get. Your god is fake. Your religion is all bullcrap. But like a good little brainwashed chump of a christian you will ignore anything that shows your religion to the crap it is. There is no devil just like there is no god. What exact saints wrote the bible? When the genesis account was plagiarized from older Sumerian stories was that by a saint? Do you even know who wrote it? No you don't you aren't strong enough intellectually to question your programming. You believe what you do because you were told to. And like a good little brainwashed fool you suck it all up and replace facts with dogma. You should try critical thinking and thinking for your self. I know it will be hard and you won't try. Your programming is to deeply set in.
Wow, I missed that one somehow. Since Phranc quoted himself, I see it is true and I am a bit shocked. Tone it down Phranc, that is certainly uncalled for.
No it was totally called for. If he wants to act like a niger I'm going to call him one. If he wanted to be called a black man all he has to do is stop willfully acting like a niger. If its good enough for a black man to say those things its good enough for me. I'm not going to be politically correct and adhere to a racist double standard. But this forum doesn't like brutal honesty.
I can honesty say now that I hope you get banned for this, never mind your "religious" beliefs. Calling another person that name (even if it is misspelled) is very low class, shocking and tasteless. May God have mercy on your soul, when your time comes, you will certainly need it by my beliefs.
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Both the rape comment and the racial slur are inappropriate, especially for civilized adults. There is a difference in having a debate, a difference of opinion and exchanging viewpoints versus personal attacks.
I have probably been guilty of such indiscretions myself in the past so I'm not scolding anyone but I would ask all parties to be more civil and less brutal. Being honest doesn't not have to include insulting attacks. Actually, it's not my call, I expect Cliff will close this thread any time now.
Ron
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I can honesty say now that I hope you get banned for this, never mind your "religious" beliefs. Calling another person that name (even if it is misspelled) is very low class, shocking and tasteless. May God have mercy on your soul, when your time comes, you will certainly need it by my beliefs.
Do a search for the Protoevangelium of James or the Gospel of James.The Gospel of James may be the earliest surviving document attesting the veneration of Mary by stating her perpetual virginity and presenting her as the new Eve. This is why her virginity is so important.
Thanks for the explanation and the link. I got a chance to read it.
Your statements above still go back the illogic and lack of necessity that Mary be a perpetual virgin in the first place. Just the very basic premise is flawed.
If Mary is the "new Eve", which is never hinted in the Bible as being important or necessary in the first place, then Mary again has no need to be a perpetual virgin to complete that picture. Eve wasn't a perpetual virgin. She has lots of kids. And ZERO of them were virgin born.
Mary doesn't need to be a perpetual virgin to be "venerated". It is illogical. There isn't anything special or unique about being a virgin from birth to death. LOTS of women have done it.
On the contrary, for Mary to be a perpetual virgin violates actual scripture. 1 Corinthians 7 shows how God feels about marriage, and roles regarding sex. As I stated earlier, even if he was old, they had a marital relationship and 1 Corinthians 7 describes how they are to relate to each other.
So, no, after considering what you brought up, I see no reason to believe Mary was a virgin her entire life. The gospel of James contradicts the statements in the Bible, and so I reject it. When I get time later, I'll try to read some of the other things you indicated.
Having said that, I appreciate your informing me of this information so I could understand where people are coming from, and so I could evaluate it for myself. And I respect your right to come to a different conclusion. This was never about me trying to debate anyone to my position on the topic.
Both the rape comment and the racial slur are inappropriate, especially for civilized adults. There is a difference in having a debate, a difference of opinion and exchanging viewpoints versus personal attacks.
I have probably been guilty of such indiscretions myself in the past so I'm not scolding anyone but I would ask all parties to be more civil and less brutal. Being honest doesn't not have to include insulting attacks. Actually, it's not my call, I expect Cliff will close this thread any time now.
Ron
If one is insulted by being called what they are acting like maybe they should change how they act. That chump didn't. He actually continued willfully. If its ok for blacks to use the word to describe some one for the way he acts and not his race it is ok for me to do it too.
Frontal Lobe, let's agree to dissagree for now, maybe you were taught differently. I was raised a Roman Catholic so your views might be different from mine. The Blessed Virgin Mary is a very important figure in our religion and she is considered to have been free of sin all of her life and also a virgin from what I was taught. I was wondering how you felt about the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The Roman Catholic Church teaches as dogma that the Virgin Mary, "having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory." This means that Mary was transported into Heaven with her body and soul united. Mary's Assumption was a divine gift to Mary as Mother of God. As Mary completed her life as a shining example to the human race, the perspective of the gift of assumption is offered to the whole human race. Maybe this is why it is so important to us Roman Catholics that she was a lifelong virgin. She is a symbol of purity and I have never read about her being referred to as anything but the virgin Mary, just the mear mention of the Virgin and Roman Catholics know who you are referring to.
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Frontal Lobe, let's agree to dissagree for now, maybe you were taught differently. I was raised a Roman Catholic so your views might be different from mine. The Blessed Virgin Mary is a very important figure in our religion and she is considered to have been free of sin all of her life and also a virgin from what I was taught.
Hey, we can absolutely agree to disagree and ZERO animosity.
You are correct. Different life paths. My mother was catholic, and my father lutheran. But they didn't force me to go to church much, so I don't have the teaching aspect. I was 18 when I started reading the Bible and figuring things out for myself.
Don't get me wrong. No disrespect to Mary. What a wonderful person. Gives God permission to go ahead with the plan. Bears the shame of being a virgin right up to her marriage, but understandably accused of pre-marital sex. Has to run for their lives. Has to watch her son unjustly accused and crucified.
But in the CATHOLIC Bible it contains Romans 3:23 "...ALL have sinned..." Romans 5:12 "...ALL have sinned..."
Except the CATHOLIC Bible does single out ONE person as never having sinned. 2 Corinthians 5:21 "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 1 Peter 2:21,22 21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
So, all have sinned. All is all. Except where specifically mentioned someone that hasn't. Jesus. So Mary is one of the all. Well, that's not a problem. Jesus needed to be sinless, so he wouldn't have his own sins to pay for and could pay for ours. Mary didn't have that role and so it wasn't important that she be sinless. Again back to original premises. There was no compelling reason why she NEEDED to be sinless. She had 2 human parents. She was a human. She was one of the all. That isn't picking on her.
So I hear you. You were taught that. And you may look at my reasoning and go, nah, I don't agree. Well, I'm not upset with you on that. No problem. In fact, I'm just trying to UNDERSTAND why it IS important to someone that she would be sinless. I'm not trying to force you to answer for everyone or justify it. I'm just trying to hear what you are thinking, because I don't see it that way.
Again with the reading the bible twice. It's bad enough but then you go and repeat a lie again even after you've been called out on that lie. But you are just a niger so you can't help it. To quote Dre quoting some one else. "I'll stop calling you nigers when you start acting like black man." A niger like you lies when confronted with his lack of education. But you don't really care that you are dishonest niger. If you did you would have stopped intentionally lying a few pages ago. But you keep reinforcing those stereotypes and make sure after you do it you ***** and moan about them and how unfair they are.
Just to recap it's not your colour that makes you a niger it is the actions you willing take.
Well, Phranc,... only two things you might want to look into. Keep in mind--- the words are not my words, but are found in the Bible.
1. "Pride is before a crash." You might wanna look that one up and do some cross references while your at it. You'll find that Pride is a by product of hautghieness and is a close relative of arrogance. The opposite of that is humbleness which is a close relative of meekness. One thing is for sure--- pride and humbleness can't live under the same roof.
2. Intelligence. It's strange that God doesn't use those with great intellengce when confronting those who are Mr. No-it-all and very rarely someone born with a golden spoon in their mouth. God would rather use the guy herding sheep, boat builder, and/or sometimes a person who isn't a believer. Yeah, God has been known to use a physician or a Tax accountant, but he seems to prefer the lowliest of group. The point here is "lowliest." That's the person God will use to confront those who mocking him or challenges him.
Now are you ready for this cause here's the climax. All that was used here was references that are commonly found in Gods' word, examples that are commonly known fact (physicians/NASA) sprinkled with a touch of blackness (after all I'm black-- I'm not a punk) and YOU COULDN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
You couldn't handle someone (coping & pasting) your OWN WORDS back at you. You have no problem with throwing insults (brainwashed/unintelligence)--- but can't handle someone questioning you. If your going to insult God, his Bible, and those who are believers then the Jerry Springer in me allows for questioning. Maybe you have sexual issues such as rape/incest. After all, you Phranc accuse me of a being a "cop hater" and wanting all officers to die, die, die.
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If one is insulted by being called what they are acting like maybe they should change how they act. That chump didn't. He actually continued willfully.
Well, ain't that "the pot calling the kettle black." Now you want to cry like a innocent victim whose bar is red. The red bar a result of some type of random occurrences or a direct result of your insulting behavior?
Well, ain't that "the pot calling the kettle black." Now you want to cry like a innocent victim whose bar is red. The red bar a result of some type of random occurrences or a direct result of your insulting behavior?
No it isn't the pot calling the kettle black. But as a dumb, dishonest chump I can see how you got that wrong.
And this isn't an insult? Just because we believe in something else we are brainwashed?
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Originally posted by Phranc: But if that is what you need to believe to make your self better then by all means don't let the truth get in the way.
I don't feel better nor do I feel "special" as you put it being a Christian. I am no different than anyone else, Phranc. Don't know who has really made you think that Christians are so much better than anyone else. We have a relationship with Jesus Christ and try to share the gospel, other than that.......
Originally posted by madcurl: Well, Phranc,... only two things you might want to look into. Keep in mind--- the words are not my words, but are found in the Bible.
1. "Pride is before a crash." You might wanna look that one up and do some cross references while your at it. You'll find that Pride is a by product of hautghieness and is a close relative of arrogance. The opposite of that is humbleness which is a close relative of meekness. One thing is for sure--- pride and humbleness can't live under the same roof.
2. Intelligence. It's strange that God doesn't use those with great intellengce when confronting those who are Mr. No-it-all and very rarely someone born with a golden spoon in their mouth. God would rather use the guy herding sheep, boat builder, and/or sometimes a person who isn't a believer. Yeah, God has been known to use a physician or a Tax accountant, but he seems to prefer the lowliest of group. The point here is "lowliest." That's the person God will use to confront those who mocking him or challenges him.
Now are you ready for this cause here's the climax. All that was used here was references that are commonly found in Gods' word, examples that are commonly known fact (physicians/NASA) sprinkled with a touch of blackness (after all I'm black-- I'm not a punk) and YOU COULDN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
You couldn't handle someone (coping & pasting) your OWN WORDS back at you. You have no problem with throwing insults (brainwashed/unintelligence)--- but can't handle someone questioning you. If your going to insult God, his Bible, and those who are believers then the Jerry Springer in me allows for questioning. Maybe you have sexual issues such as rape/incest. After all, you Phranc accuse me of a being a "cop hater" and wanting all officers to die, die, die.
Its not gods bible since there is no god. God wont use any one to confrot those who mock him since he isn't real. But as a brainwashed christian I can see how you got that wrong. Please quote where I said you wanted all cops to die.
But you keep acting like a niger with the rape comments, lies and ignorance. You live down to stereotypes well.
I don't feel better nor do I feel "special" as you put it being a Christian. I am no different than anyone else, Phranc. Don't know who has really made you think that Christians are so much better than anyone else. We have a relationship with Jesus Christ and try to share the gospel, other than that.......
You are brainwashed because you believe what has been spoon fed to you with out critically questioning it. Yup you have a relationship with a man who died about 2000 years ago. Sure you do. And whould that be sharing all the gospels or just the hand picked ones by the counsel that have been spoon fed for generations? Those by the way would be the same gospels that can't even keep the stories straight. But as good little brainwashed christian I'm sure you can come with good excuses to explain that. Its laughable that books that were divinely inspired can't even get their stories straight.
Originally posted by Phranc: ......with the rape comments, lies and ignorance.
Thanks for reminding me, Phranc. Madcurl.....dude, that was totally uncalled for. I know Phranc can ruffle some feathers here, but come on. There is no need for what you asked, even if it was in a joking manner.
I've proved plenty. One of those things you illustrate right here. And that would be your programming is so deeply ingrained you will ignore fact and logic and reason so you can cling onto fairytales of your imaginary friend. Believers in gods are nothing more then weak minded people who can't get over their brainwashing.
Just remember the only reason you believe in a god is because you have been told to by your parents and your community.
My parents never mentioned God nor did my community have anything to do with me being Christian. I gave God a call one day and we have been talking ever since. By the way he says your in trouble if you dont change your ways.
My parents never mentioned God nor did my community have anything to do with me being Christian. I gave God a call one day and we have been talking ever since. By the way he says your in trouble if you dont change your ways.
normal long distance is already expensive. I hope you called collect.
You are brainwashed because you believe what has been spoon fed to you with out critically questioning it.
When I was a kid my dad asked me if I believed in God. He told me a little about God and his Son Jesus, but never forced anything. We also didn't go to church either. I guess he planted the "seed" as a kid. I always wondered if there was a God and if Jesus was real. As I grew up I did alot of things I shouldn't have, but one day I got into some serious trouble and things changed. He sent me a good woman and after that I accepted Jesus as my personal savior.
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Originally posted by Phranc: Yup you have a relationship with a man who died about 2000 years ago. Sure you do.
And it's an awesome relationship.
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Originally posted by Phranc: And whould that be sharing all the gospels or just the hand picked ones by the counsel that have been spoon fed for generations? Those by the way would be the same gospels that can't even keep the stories straight.
I'm still learning, Phranc.
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Originally posted by Phranc: But as good little brainwashed christian I'm sure you can come with good excuses to explain that. Its laughable that books that were divinely inspired can't even get their stories straight.
I try to be the best Christian that I can, Phranc. We do stray off our paths now and then. Then we get back on course......and none of that makes us any more "special" as you put it. So why with the constant bashing? And by bashing I mean the "brainwashed" part. Some could say the same for you. Do I.....no. I feel you've just chosen a different path.
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My parents never mentioned God nor did my community have anything to do with me being Christian. I gave God a call one day and we have been talking ever since. By the way he says your in trouble if you dont change your ways.
You talk to something that doesn't exist. And he didn't say anything about me changing my ways since he isn't real.
Originally posted by kyunderdawg: I try to be the best Christian that I can, Phranc. We do stray off our paths now and then. Then we get back on course......and none of that makes us any more "special" as you put it. So why with the constant bashing? And by bashing I mean the "brainwashed" part. Some could say the same for you. Do I.....no. I feel you've just chosen a different path.
You are brainwashed but you don't see it. You are programmed and part of that is making sure you don't realize it. It's no different then any other cult brainwashing. It's not bashing its just the truth.
You are brainwashed but you don't see it. You are programmed and part of that is making sure you don't realize it. It's no different then any other cult brainwashing. It's not bashing its just the truth.
But it is your truth and your opinions (or facts that you have run across) about the teachings of the bible. All this is is a difference of opinion. You feel that the bible is a lie and I don't. I veiw it as that you lost your faith somehow and now you've opened your eyes to something else. Who knows, there maybe a time when you are called back to serve.
As Avengador1 and frontal lobe said......."we agree to disagree".
We never know what is instore for ourselves.....whether a person believes in God or not.....things happen in our lives that change our thinking and our hearts.
"As I grew up I did alot of things I shouldn't have, but one day I got into some serious trouble and things changed. He sent me a good woman and after that I accepted Jesus as my personal savior."
You should have stuck with the good woman, rather then going the other way and turning to Jesus.
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