With a V8 you get both, and with a lumpy cam, the motor sounds great while idling as well.
It just takes a while for most young 'uns to comprehend the facts...
well I know that a 4.9 v8 doesnt even make 200 hp. and I know my stock srt-4 made 240hp and i rode in my friends 2005 srt-4 with under 2000 in mods making over 500 whp. and my friends evo making 457 hp.
I used to have a lt1 firebird that was pretty quick and sounded nice. but I also love the sound of a 4 cly turbo car with the whistle whine and blow off valve as much as i do a v8 in a firebird that when revved shakes the whole car. so I have nothing against either.
I think its the old 'uns dont want to let go off the past and accept that new cars with technology sound good too. they also need to stop bitching about young girls midreff's showing, belly button rings. the price of milk, how easy it is to walk to school compared to when they where a kid. ect. ect.
and to be honest i prefer a finely tuned german bmw engine straight six. with a turbo myself.
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Now A ferrari v8 sounds nice! the thing is so damn tuned and perfected it revs like a sport bike.
speaking of which sportbike engines sound better then car engines in my opnion. and most liter bikes these days speedo's will move faster then a cars tach.
...a v8 in a firebird that when revved shakes the whole car.
I think I see the problem, Trevor. A properly built and tuned high-performance V8 will smooth out as the revs climb. If your Firebird shook as you accelerated, something was definitely borked.
Sure, I may be living in the past (in regards to high-performance cars) as I recall how much my built up 4-speed '67 Chevelle SS396 shook at an idle, and how much the car came alive as I mashed the accelerator and went through the gears. Yes, possibly living in the past, but oh what a glorious past (again, in regards to high-performance cars).
I think I see the problem, Trevor. A properly built and tuned high-performance V8 will smooth out as the revs climb. If your Firebird shook as you accelerated, something was definitely borked.
Sure, I may be living in the past (in regards to high-performance cars) as I recall how much my built up 4-speed '67 Chevelle SS396 shook at an idle, and how much the car came alive as I mashed the accelerator and went through the gears. Yes, possibly living in the past, but oh what a glorious past (again, in regards to high-performance cars).
no no that wasn't my firebird. and the firebird im refuring to was a 1998-2002 with the ls1 at a stoplight he wasn't accelerating he just revved it and the whole car shook with a rumble and looked cool.
Hey, I can appreciate that a V8 or a V12 Ferrari puts out a lot of power and I'd love to take one for a spin, but I honestly prefer the sound of a big block Chevy with a lumpy cam, solid lifters, headers, and a free-flowing exhaust system with perhaps "turbo" mufflers. (If nothing else, the type of muffler I mentioned will give away my age!)
Top speed is something that can only be accessed on very rare occasions, whereas sound is something you get to enjoy every minute that the car is running.
I think I see the problem, Trevor. A properly built and tuned high-performance V8 will smooth out as the revs climb. If your Firebird shook as you accelerated, something was definitely borked.
Sure, I may be living in the past (in regards to high-performance cars) as I recall how much my built up 4-speed '67 Chevelle SS396 shook at an idle, and how much the car came alive as I mashed the accelerator and went through the gears. Yes, possibly living in the past, but oh what a glorious past (again, in regards to high-performance cars).
Here is my firebird: here is my 4cyl turbo car I love the sound off just as much:
and Here is the car I will be getting in the near future that I would rather hear over both my v8 or my 4cly
Back on topic, RFT is definitely not a family forum it is more of an adult oriented forum, even though there is some sophomoric behaviour there once in a while. That is how they have fun over there. No one can say that they know everything and that goes for all forums no matter how many members they have. That is why one needs to visit more than one forum. Eventually you learn who knows what and where to find the information you need. In case you haven't noticed I post over there under the username Dirty Sanchez. I was probably one of the most hatted people over there because of the way I reminded them of the rules over here and being blamed for getting them banned. They treat me with respect (most of the time) over there as long as I follow their rules and get along with them. Most of the insults traded over there are in jest, but if you have a thin skin or are easily offended, I don't recommend you post over there. Calling someone else's forum a cesspool only escalates and continues the conflict. If you don't like it no one is forcing you to visit it. Also one should not get a negative stigma attached to them for posting over there. It doesn't make one a bad person for posting on other forums. If that was the case most of the people here would have to be banned. If you don't want threads about PFF over there don't start ones about RFT over here. This will help lessen the tension between the forums. I send people to other Fiero forums if I can't provide an answer for them on mine. I even send them here most of the time. Some of my forum members are members here and on RFT. This really irks some of the people here. There really is no reason to feel this way about others. People have free will and it doesn't make them a traitor to post on other Fiero forums. I belong to half a dozen of these myself. I can say that most of these other forums don't mind other Fiero forum mentions and some even list them on their own sites. Nobody has a monopoly on Fiero information and no forum has all the information everyone could ask for. That is why RFT and the other Fiero forums have their place on the internet. Variety is the spice of life and no two Fiero forums I have visited are alike. They all have their own unique characters and way of running and that is what makes them informative, entertaining, or just a nice place to hang out and let your hair down.
If you don't want threads about PFF over there don't start ones about RFT over here.
Is that supposed to be a joke or what?
How many references (let alone complete threads) are made regarding RFT at PFF? Compare that to an entire forum section at RFT dedicated to ridiculing PFF.
I prefer a more positive outlook on things. If you continue ill feelings against others they will reciprocate with the same. If RFT wasn't bashed as much over here they would loose their incentive to bash PFF over there. Granted there are a couple of people over there who have some deep recentments against some of the people here, but I believe they too can be turned around. I'm not so sure about some of the people over here, who hang on to petty grudges as if their existence depended on it. That isn't a very healthy thing to do.
I prefer a more positive outlook on things. If you continue ill feelings against others they will reciprocate with the same. If RFT wasn't bashed as much over here they would loose their incentive to bash PFF over there. Granted there are a couple of people over there who have some deep recentments against some of the people here, but I believe they too can be turned around. I'm not so sure about some of the people over here, who hang on to petty grudges as if their existence depended on it. That isn't a very healthy thing to do.
I prefer a more positive outlook on things. If you continue ill feelings against others they will reciprocate with the same. If RFT wasn't bashed as much over here they would loose their incentive to bash PFF over there. Granted there are a couple of people over there who have some deep recentments against some of the people here, but I believe they too can be turned around. I'm not so sure about some of the people over here, who hang on to petty grudges as if their existence depended on it. That isn't a very healthy thing to do.
A positive outlook is one thing, but don't be so naive. Why don't you go ask them what it would take for them to get along with people here. You'll be laughed off the forum.
When you start thinking about grudges, ask yourself who started a website solely because of a grudge. Go on. Ask them.
Shaun is a good example. He was banned, then asked to be let back on here, promising to behave. Cliff put it to a vote and people decided to give him another chance. He behaved for a little while, then the punk started showing through again and he ended up getting banned again.
^ Seriously. I don't know what's to argue about RFT being utter garbage (house and septic tank is the best analogy)... but this topic has spiraled down the drain.
^ Seriously. I don't know what's to argue about RFT being utter garbage (house and septic tank is the best analogy)... but this topic has spiraled down the drain.
I am a meber on both forums. like alot of other people. Thank you for calling me and many other people other garbage
Back on topic, RFT is definitely not a family forum it is more of an adult oriented forum, even though there is some sophomoric behaviour there once in a while. That is how they have fun over there. No one can say that they know everything and that goes for all forums no matter how many members they have. That is why one needs to visit more than one forum. Eventually you learn who knows what and where to find the information you need. In case you haven't noticed I post over there under the username Dirty Sanchez. I was probably one of the most hatted people over there because of the way I reminded them of the rules over here and being blamed for getting them banned. They treat me with respect (most of the time) over there as long as I follow their rules and get along with them. Most of the insults traded over there are in jest, but if you have a thin skin or are easily offended, I don't recommend you post over there. Calling someone else's forum a cesspool only escalates and continues the conflict. If you don't like it no one is forcing you to visit it. Also one should not get a negative stigma attached to them for posting over there. It doesn't make one a bad person for posting on other forums. If that was the case most of the people here would have to be banned. If you don't want threads about PFF over there don't start ones about RFT over here. This will help lessen the tension between the forums. I send people to other Fiero forums if I can't provide an answer for them on mine. I even send them here most of the time. Some of my forum members are members here and on RFT. This really irks some of the people here. There really is no reason to feel this way about others. People have free will and it doesn't make them a traitor to post on other Fiero forums. I belong to half a dozen of these myself. I can say that most of these other forums don't mind other Fiero forum mentions and some even list them on their own sites. Nobody has a monopoly on Fiero information and no forum has all the information everyone could ask for. That is why RFT and the other Fiero forums have their place on the internet. Variety is the spice of life and no two Fiero forums I have visited are alike. They all have their own unique characters and way of running and that is what makes them informative, entertaining, or just a nice place to hang out and let your hair down.
No way dude, I very rarely see rft threads here. over there there is a section just for threads about this place. and there is somthing new somtimes more then once a day. but normaly it avrages out to somthing new each day. they definitly are not going to stop trashing this forum. if people here stop trashing theres
I am a meber on both forums. like alot of other people. Thank you for calling me and many other people other garbage
A lot? Yeah, we're probably members there too, but only to tell them how god-damn immature and stupid they are... seriously, their "forum" will NEVER even HALF measure up to PFF. What topics could they possibly discuss there that haven't already been discussed much more civilly here? You want to see a jacked-up forum though, head to Mozillazine. THAT'S one jacked up forum. Hell, even the mods flame each other on a regular basis. RFT is like the Mozillazine of Fiero.
RFT is like the sewer trash with riced-up chop shop Fieros that go around pumping irritating loud music all over quiet neighborhoods and spraying silly-string all over the rich peoples' houses. PFF is like the rich kids with nice looking, shiny, new looking Fieros, going to shows, [legally] racing against Ferraris, etc... IMO RFT can rot in hell. >.<
BTW, calling a site trash does not mean [all] their members are trash. Calling a concept "trash" is calling the overall idea trash. Calling the members in particular "trash" would be what you're referring to.
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A lot? Yeah, we're probably members there too, but only to tell them how god-damn immature and stupid they are... seriously, their "forum" will NEVER even HALF measure up to PFF. What topics could they possibly discuss there that haven't already been discussed much more civilly here? You want to see a jacked-up forum though, head to Mozillazine. THAT'S one jacked up forum. Hell, even the mods flame each other on a regular basis. RFT is like the Mozillazine of Fiero.
RFT is like the sewer trash with riced-up chop shop Fieros that go around pumping irritating loud music all over quiet neighborhoods and spraying silly-string all over the rich peoples' houses. PFF is like the rich kids with nice looking, shiny, new looking Fieros, going to shows, [legally] racing against Ferraris, etc... IMO RFT can rot in hell. >.<
BTW, calling a site trash does not mean [all] their members are trash. Calling a concept "trash" is calling the overall idea trash. Calling the members in particular "trash" would be what you're referring to.
dude, you don't even understand the ignorance of your post. Have you been on rft? have you seen some of the people over there? there are some insanley smart people over there. you must have never left rft vs the world section because the rest of the forum is like any other.
i don't know what your talking about with your little dumb pff's are rich kids and rft is poor kids idea. but I don't even know what to say back to that. your in idiot to say that. and I wouldn't start bagging on RFT so soon. since almost every thread I see u in your pissing someone off and people are calling you a dumb ass. you know like the thread where you called your mom stupid because she didn;t want you to scratch her car. then u made a post about it here calling her stupid? lol, remember that one? pretty soon your only choice is going to be rft or you will have to go to a honda forum to ask how to change your oil.
its very noticable how you only talk so much trash on rft because your trying to make people here that don't like that forum like you more. since u have already severely showed what an idiot you are and pissed people off here already.
falcon: Looks like you might be banned here.. Hows that make you feel. I know saying this might up your positive votes (enemy of my enemy, yadda yadda etc etc), but just thought I'd point it out to you. Enjoy!
RFT is nothing but a bunch of assholes engaged in a never-ending circle-jerk.
They claim that we have a mob mentality. Go look at RFT, you say 1 wrong thing or if you're not part of the right group you're instantly ridiculed. Sure, you may not get banned like you would on PFF...but you might as well be banned, why would you stick around for that kind of **** ?
Trevor, STFU n00b. That idiot eHoward DOES ban people, sure no 1 has been banned for a while but back when I got kicked from RFT no one had the smarts to restrict the disliked people in their own little area (Aaron and Earl's playpen). It is not a free board, they claim its like independant or w/e, say whatever you want, but they secretly ban people or force them into a zoo.
If RFT barely banned anyone like they claim, the list of IP bans from there should be short. I'm not sending my IP to Howard or Shaun or any of those assholes. But, anyways, like I'd care about actually going there. It'd be nice to see the trash they talk about me, but I can't see ANY of that forum.
Someone earlier in the thread said that PFF is a house and RFT is the septic tank. Very true. We flush the **** from this forum and it ends up there to fester.
PFF > RFT in every way. Even for tech. I will say that there are problems with tech here....but mostly from people making replies they don't belong making. Like.... I start a post about my clutch and its INSTANT "bent pedal, bent pedal, bent pedal!". They just say what they've heard before. But there ARE good tech guys here (Jazzman being 1), you just have to keep prodding and bumping your post to get them to post and give you the answer you need. What really makes PFF shine though is the OT, the people are really caring and compassionate. You try to say the same stuff you might post about here over there in RFT, you'd get laughed off the forum.
RFT is nothing but a bunch of assholes engaged in a never-ending circle-jerk.
They claim that we have a mob mentality. Go look at RFT, you say 1 wrong thing or if you're not part of the right group you're instantly ridiculed. Sure, you may not get banned like you would on PFF...but you might as well be banned, why would you stick around for that kind of **** ?
Trevor, STFU n00b. That idiot eHoward DOES ban people, sure no 1 has been banned for a while but back when I got kicked from RFT no one had the smarts to restrict the disliked people in their own little area (Aaron and Earl's playpen). It is not a free board, they claim its like independant or w/e, say whatever you want, but they secretly ban people or force them into a zoo.
If RFT barely banned anyone like they claim, the list of IP bans from there should be short. I'm not sending my IP to Howard or Shaun or any of those assholes. But, anyways, like I'd care about actually going there. It'd be nice to see the trash they talk about me, but I can't see ANY of that forum.
Someone earlier in the thread said that PFF is a house and RFT is the septic tank. Very true. We flush the **** from this forum and it ends up there to fester.
PFF > RFT in every way. Even for tech. I will say that there are problems with tech here....but mostly from people making replies they don't belong making. Like.... I start a post about my clutch and its INSTANT "bent pedal, bent pedal, bent pedal!". They just say what they've heard before. But there ARE good tech guys here (Jazzman being 1), you just have to keep prodding and bumping your post to get them to post and give you the answer you need. What really makes PFF shine though is the OT, the people are really caring and compassionate. You try to say the same stuff you might post about here over there in RFT, you'd get laughed off the forum.
lol here he is. wonderd how long tell he showed up. anyone ever notice the people that call rft a septic tank where banned from there. or have some personal vendetta against someone there. just like the people that make fun of pennocks have some sort of vendetta with someone over here? or where banned from here? not such diffrent worlds is it.
thank you tinton for discribing excatly what RFT is. yet u just said u can't even see rft.
its funny how I have had regular discussions over there about bmw's. my motorcross racing. and other things with no problems what so ever.
yet to you its nothing but a septic tank full of trash.. hmmmmm. showing your smarts again eh.
have you beat up stimpy or shuan yet. since u promised too? funny how you the place you happend to have personly stated you wanted to fight. happend to be on the forum u call a septic tank..... hmmm coincidence i think not. you just talk trash on that forum because you hate shuan and jeff. so now its automaticly a septic tank trashed forum. yet hundreds of users there everyday browse it just like any other forum.
you like falcon 4, are just making sterotype generlazations about the people there. alot of these people that hang out in the "septic tank" over there. are here on this forum, replying to your threads. and you replying to theres. with no issues. yet once they are there suddenly its a septic tank? you make alot of sense.
Trevor, STFU n00b. That idiot eHoward DOES ban people, sure no 1 has been banned for a while but back when I got kicked from RFT no one had the smarts to restrict the disliked people in their own little area (Aaron and Earl's playpen). It is not a free board, they claim its like independant or w/e, say whatever you want, but they secretly ban people or force them into a zoo.
If RFT barely banned anyone like they claim, the list of IP bans from there should be short. I'm not sending my IP to Howard or Shaun or any of those assholes. But, anyways, like I'd care about actually going there. It'd be nice to see the trash they talk about me, but I can't see ANY of that forum.
lol restrict the disliked people into the earl and arrons section? did u notice how liked i am there? i spent the better half of 6 months arguing with everything posted in rft vs the world and have like 50 PM's where i was arguing with shaun about **** . I am not liked there. my threads dont go into the earl and aarons section. the reason for that section is spam. which earl spammed rft vs the world with like 100 threads in rft vs the world one night and still does so some times. and aaron everything he posts is made up spam of him trying to brag about some retarted **** he doesnt really have or know anything about.
its the perfect name for it.
I dunno what ur talking about with the disliked peoples threads being moved. anyone else from here had all your threads moved to that section for being disliked? avendgor one? johnnyk? formula88? anyone else? I havn't
and if ur worried about your ip so much it takes like 3 mintues to change your own ip and u can view or post on rft all u want.
It's not how fast you get there, it's how good you sound while doing it.
Hey, quit misquoting me. "Its not all about who gets to the finish line first, you have to look good when you get there." Meaning Id rather be sitting a couple tenths back in a big block cuda than win in a riced out piece of crap honda.
Probably had nothing to do with me, im just egocentric like that...
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RFT is nothing but a pathetic waste of space. Most of the members that actually contribute real information over there are people who have not been banned from here and they supply the same information on PFF.
The original "banned" people who started RFT did it for only ONE reason. That was to ridicule PFF. It was originally the PSF.
Yes when others joined PSF they helped steer it to some more productive area's like Tech and such and help change it to RFT. But no matter how much they try to make it look like a useful forum, the pathetic postings of people like Shaun will ruin it. They have even turned on some of their own members as well.
As for the "Tech" section, They have people posting wrong info over there as well. Even Shaun has posted inaccurate tech information.
The only good things about RFT is they do have some humorous threads. Especially when Shaun and Aaron make pathetic fools of themselves. (Which is getting to be more often lately.) If you happen to visit over there, Don't take anything you see over there seriously. If you are looking for "Real Fiero Technical" Information, You are better off contacting the knowledgable folks thru here (since they have not been banned from here) or thru the RFT PM's.
I like RFT, I feel like I can say anything over there and I don't have to worry about raings (which IS just a huge popularity contest)
I think its the ratings system that made me surf RFT mainly and stop posting over here. For as much good info I have posted over here, my bar does not reflect it. Instead I have quite a few negatives for the sole fact that I am associated with RFT.
People like Fiero Bear, Tinton and the others that call RFT a septic tank only say that because they could not fit in with the croud over there. If you actually post over there you will see that the guys are all regular people. Fiero Trevor came into RFT with a sole mission to argue everything in RFT vs The World and now he is an accepted member over there. Heck, he is even in the privelidged users section. Avengador is also there and gets along just fine even though he was the biggest greenie over here at one point.
There wil always be those people who act holier than thou and will never accept RFT, but its a good forum and its going strong.
Nothing against Howard, but I seriously doubt he was in a good position with respect to ratings prior to starting that thread. It just pushed him over the limit.
I guess the tremendous stretching of facts never ends
Actually that is incorrect. Howie started PSF/RFT first and once it was found out he was the person who started it, then he was banned by Cliff not by ratings. Originally it was thought that Shaun and Jon started the forum because the "Punisher" screen name was banned shortly before the PSF became public on here. To prove it, The link you posted was from 2002, Howie was still posting in November of 2004. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20050410-2-057331.html His last post in the thread was 11/12/2004, He started PSF in Aug of 2004 and on the 11/16/04 is when PSF became known on here.
If Howie is telling you he was banned and then he started PSF, He's lying to you.
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Originally posted by crzyone: There will always be those people who act holier than thou and will never accept RFT, but its a good forum and its going strong.
But what about Shaun and Howie acting "holier than thou" as well? They have banned people and have edited/deleted other peoples posts to suit their opinions. I have a hard time respecting RFT especially when I have no respect for the person who started and runs it. I see it is going strong, It just gained about 150 SPAM members in the last 60 days. I guess Aaron's posts in the newsgroups is working well.
Its all a series of events that led to the same end. Howard has not told me anything, I saw the whole thing unfold. Its a bad situation, I'm not going to add to this thread any more.
Cliff wrote this in a recent thread
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Oh, but I am! I'm really quite flattered with the attention they are giving me. I mean, it really does give me kind of a celebrity status.
The weird part is that I can't understand someone out there is really thinking I would get upset over this. I mean, do they really think I would go like "Oh noes, somebodies writed 'cliffpennockisafag' on a webpage someswhere!!!!111eleventyone!!"
Well, he had a whole forum dedicated to him and he banned the person who started it?
I'm with Ronnie. 
