Talk about gullible; Anyone who watches Fox/Russia or OANN/Russia is a putin soldier helping to destroy America. Trump did everything he could to spread the virus for his puppet master and you guys keep saying "No he didn't! The virus doesn't even exist! It's all fake news- I get the truth from Putin-certified news outlets!"
The rest of us talk about real events. Nobody here said any of those things ever. You just drag Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC stuff here. You do it because nobody in real life will talk to you. You've isolated yourself from society by inventing scenarios.
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Amazing how the "Commie" foreign nations are controlling Covid while we are having so much trouble.....Looking back at other pandemics we have worked together to control and limit the spread- but
What pandemic? We don't have a pandemic...unless they changed the definition. Oh, right! They did. See! Now it's a pandemic!
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...now we have "Friend" putin telling the right to not wear masks or get vaccine
Putin pushes the ineffective injections like all Western countries. The right in America are stooges of the media and clamor for war just as you leftists do. They parrot the same current events as you, Mr leftist.
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("They are part of a COMMIE plot!!!!!") while the idiot left is led down the opposite path with stupidity like "Defund the cops"
You're a leftist. You don't fool anybody here just as you can't fool anybody you know personally. You don't even have an imaginary friend that would believe you're not a leftist.
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I see why the "Right" think so highly of putin; He is destroying America and western civilization without firing a shot.
Putin was elected in Russia. US elections are known to be fraudulent. Hey leftist, even your leftist comrades here don't accept you.
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So Rick, are you saying it is a good thing that all of the old people will be killed off by Covid? To me, that sounds like the opposite of the hyper-right flapping their arms and running in circles back during Obama's struggle to get Obama-care passed; "The evil commies are going to have DEATH-PANELS for GRANDMAS!!!!"
I thought you guys wanted your grandmas alive......
There are many factors that decide the outcome or numbers... Lock downs are a tool, not a cure. I do not choose to use this tool.
Sure, blame COVID-19 death rates in America on obesity, the elderly, extensive travel, the Santa Ana winds, whatever... People will live (or die) according to their beliefs and actions. It's really unfortunate how this is playing out in the States.
Sure, blame COVID-19 death rates in America on obesity, the elderly, extensive travel, the Santa Ana winds, whatever... People will live (or die) according to their beliefs and actions. It's really unfortunate how this is playing out in the States.
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Blame? I haven't blamed anyone or thing. Covid19 is a man made variant of a long lived virus. Some how it got out of the lab and it has spread. I pointed out some factors, that is all.
Sure, attribute COVID-19 death rates in America to obesity, the elderly, extensive travel, the Santa Ana winds, whatever... People will live (or die) according to their beliefs and actions. It's really unfortunate how this is playing out in the States.
Responding to something that Rick(ady88GT) put up:
The Covid virus as it first became known to the world may have been accidentally created in a lab or purposely created in a lab, and accidentally let loose upon the world, although if it were created in a lab, I think it was more likely created by accident than created with intention.
Last time I did some reading on the subject--just news media reports for non-specialists like me--I came away with the impression that it's as least as likely that Mother Nature created the virus without any help from any of the world's virus labs or virus researchers.
That was quite some time ago, when I was looking for reports of that kind. Although not that long ago either, in terms of "Covid time."
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Responding to something that Rick(ady88GT) put up:
The Covid virus as it first became known to the world may have been accidentally created in a lab or purposely created in a lab, and accidentally let loose upon the world, although if it were created in a lab, I think it was more likely created by accident than created with intention.
Last time I did some reading on the subject--just news media reports for non-specialists like me--I came away with the impression that it's as least as likely that Mother Nature created the virus without any help from any of the world's virus labs or virus researchers.
That was quite some time ago, when I was looking for reports of that kind. Although not that long ago either, in terms of "Covid time."
Gain of function is kinda a thing. You may be aware of such controversial research in China funded by America through a Dr. of virology. Covid is not created by men, Covid19 is. Covid 19 is a genetically manipulated organism that some how escaped the lab.
Gain of function is kinda a thing. You may be aware of such controversial research in China funded by America through a Dr. of virology. Covid is not created by men, Covid19 is. Covid 19 is a genetically manipulated organism that some how escaped the lab.
And it's not the first time either. Or the 2nd time for that matter: "SARS escaped Beijing lab twice"
Originally posted by Rickady88GT: Gain of function is kinda a thing. You may be aware of such controversial research in China funded by America through a Dr. of virology. Covid is not created by men, Covid19 is. Covid 19 is a genetically manipulated organism that some how escaped the lab.
I just fired up Google with these search terms: origin theory function zoonotic gain ACE2 lab Wuhan "Covid-19"
I added the time constraint of within the past month.
Results are not easy to sort through or try to understand, but based on what I see (and do not see) I remain an "agnostic" on how the pandemic got started. I think all of these explanations remain viable:
Mother Nature started the pandemic, all by herself.
A virus lab started the pandemic when research created the original SARS-CoV-2 virus strain by accident. An unexpected side-effect of research on naturally occurring coronavirus strains collected from bat colonies.
A virus lab created the original SARS-CoV-2, but not by accident. It was Gain of Function research, or something that its defenders argue wasn't Gain of Function research but nevertheless, created SARS-CoV-2.
There will never be a scientific consensus on the "oranges" (origins) of SARS-CoV2-2 as efforts to unravel the mystery run up against an evidentiary dead end.
"Prove me wrong" ~ Pennock's forum member "olejoedad"
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Oh, shutting down businesses across the globe, increasing borrowed currencies by countries across the globe and add in that the .01% got 3 trillion richer while small businesses went defunct and Joe Sixpack lost a similar 3 trillion in wealth?
Sixth Circuit Court just recently removed the stay, so OSHA will be used as a tool to reign over the situation and eventually use force.
They called Covid in the workplace a "grave danger".
A court of law and Osha agreed it was a "grave danger"
Hear that all you employers who are making your office workers come back, even though they could do the same exact job at home without you putting them in grave danger? Your choice.
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Sourmash, when I read your posts, I now picture you as Kenneth Copeland. The following video about our boy Kenny is even COVID-19 related. Hallelujah... and rock on!
When I read your posts I read regurgitant. I read hatred and caustic venom. You're an unsettled person who derives euphoria from hating other people. If you didn't have that you'd have nothing.
God gifts everybody. Your gift just isn't useful to you or the rest of us.
It is always about that, real, accidental, intentional or man-made crisis, it is still always about that.
“The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world to create a healthier, more equitable, and more prosperous future” — Klaus Schwab, WEF
No country is going to completely "stop" a virus from spreading, but without even looking it up, I dare say that COVID deaths per capita are no doubt much lower in Australia than they are in the States. . .
Australia ----- 83.03 Canada ----- 797.14 USA ------ 2,418.09
Maybe you can't give them any credit, but it seems to me that the Aussies are doing pretty damn well as the "most locked down Nation on Earth".
Patrick, unfortunately... those numbers are "official;" however, they are totally inconsistent and misrepresented in context with the other numbers. In the United States, we count COVID deaths as "Death WITH COVID," not, "Death BY COVID." There is a distinction. The way our system works, we actually incentivize hospitals and care facilities when they can attribute COVID to a patient. This isn't conspiracy, as it may seem, in the U.S., we incentivize certain illnesses like this, such as HIV and Lyme Disease (which I've had in particular... Lyme disease, not HIV). Because of this, patients who die will get tagged with COVID is they test positive for COVID. Even if the death, for example... was related to a car accident, if they had COVID at the time of death, it's labelled a "COVID DEATH."
I know WHY we do this, but I'm not sure why it's OK. It gives a very disproportionate view of the United States.
As it stands, the United States is listed as having the HIGHEST number of COVID deaths of any country in the entire world... which is statistically impossible. The United States basically invented the top three most widely used vaccines, and we had access to the vaccines before the rest of the world did. Additionally, the majority of the United States was vaccinated en-mass before the other countries.
An example is, India currently is listed as third... having only 450k deaths, while the United States has almost 800k deaths. This is statistically impossible because there is no way for India to have HALF the number of deaths of the U.S., while having almost 4 times the population of the United States. Culturally, the United States is widely different than most of the US as well. We have an inherent respect for personal space, and generally do not like it when people get to within a few feet of us. This pervades everything about us, from our massive cars to enormous streets, to huge houses and expansive yards (when people can afford it). This is in stark contrast from places like Asia / India where people will literally sleep on top of each other during afternoon naps at a construction site. Something that was very different to me when I lived in Thailand for the summer. Literally, grown men stacked on top of each other, sleeping, separated by a sheet of cardboard.
I don't really want to argue it... but thought you should understand these numbers and why they are not "right" in the perspective that you're representing them.
The United States basically invented the top three most widely used vaccines, and we had access to the vaccines before the rest of the world did.
Here's the thing, Todd... those vaccines don't do much good unless they're injected into people's arms. Just read the posts in this forum. The too-cool-for-school crowd think they're better off not being vaccinated.
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When I read your posts I read regurgitant.
God gifts everybody.
Yessiree, nothing wrong with enjoying something more than once. I've posted this video before, and it's too good not to enjoy again. As with you, God has certainly gifted these men and women of the cloth with questionable... "insight". Brother Kenneth makes another mind blowing appearance.
Here's the thing, Todd... those vaccines don't do much good unless they're injected into people's arms. Just read the posts in this forum. The too-cool-for-school crowd think they're better off not being vaccinated.
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YUP !!!
1st off, it's not a "vaccine" it is an experimental gene therapy.
2nd, If it works and you are vaxxed, you got nothing to worry about. If it doesnt, you are screwed anyway. Either way, MY medical is NONE of anybody's business but mine.
3rd, all of the available information shows the risk from the so-called "vax" s one hell of a lot higher and more severe than the risk from an over-hyped flu bug. All of which does make us better off unvaxxed. . . . . .
Oh, And 4th, ......when all the vaxxed are busy dropping dead from side-effects, us pure-bloods are gonna be having a whopping good time buying all your stuff for pennies on the buck because of the insane surplus left behind by all the vax-i-suicides. Oh, and we will be saying "told you so" while we do it !!!
Here's the thing, Todd... those vaccines don't do much good unless they're injected into people's arms. Just read the posts in this forum. The too-cool-for-school crowd think they're better off not being vaccinated.
I think I explained here, or maybe it was another thread? I'm not a big fan of being told what to do by the Government. I won't rehash what I said, but bottom line is there are a lot of people here who argue that mandatory vaccination is horrible, and complain about the vaccines... but they themselves are vaccinated. I'm among those, got my Pfizer in March and April (or maybe it was Feb and March) of 2021. I could check, but in Florida we don't have vaccine passports, so I'll leave it at that.
I ended up getting COVID again, but my point here isn't to complain about the efficacy of it (love that word, never used it before this whole thing)... but on the numbers.
The United States was well on it's way to mass vaccination, until it was made mandatory. Once the Government made it mandatory, there were a group of people who didn't want to lose their jobs, so they got it, but the rest are now forever in defiance. At this point, there is no way the United States Government will "legally" convince those people to get vaccinated because of the nature in which the Government decided to handle it. We can talk at length about coercion or whatever... but I think we see now that the direction we took was a bad one. The Supreme Court will make a decision in January, and it's going to likely solidify for future generations in the US that the Government cannot impose vaccines ever again.
For me at least, this is my culture as an American. You (proverbially) push, we push back. It will take many more generations of subservience before this is completely wiped out of our culture. But for now... it seems to be waking up again.
Anyway... about 66-70% of the United States has at least one vaccination depending on where and how recent the information is. But the CDC now considers a booster to be considered "fully vaccinated" ... which is not really what the rest of the world is basing their stats on (at least 1 shot)... so the numbers are all over the place for "fully vaccinated."
MY medical is NONE of anybody's business but mine.
You're conveniently choosing to ignore the fact that it'll be Canadian taxpayers paying for your hospital care due to smoking, COVID-19, whatever...
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...all of the available information shows the risk from the so-called "vax" s one hell of a lot higher and more severe than the risk from an over-hyped flu bug. All of which does make us better off unvaxxed.
Total BS, only believed by the gullible and/or uneducated.
You're conveniently choosing to ignore the fact that it'll be Canadian taxpayers paying for your hospital care due to smoking, COVID-19, whatever...
This is the system you chose. You own it. Are you trying to suggest because you are a taxpayer you get to tell everyone else how to live? Because if you are I can get you an interview with the Communist Party of China. They like to tell everyone here how to live. You could learn something to take back to Canada.
The United States was well on it's way to mass vaccination, until it was made mandatory. Once the Government made it mandatory, there were a group of people who didn't want to lose their jobs, so they got it, but the rest are now forever in defiance.
And how's that working out for the 830,795 (and counting) dead ones?
Todd, I know you don't believe the figures. Fine. COVID-19 must be nothing but a ruse to make Americans look bad. Is that better?
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......when all the vaxxed are busy dropping dead from side-effects, us pure-bloods are gonna be having a whopping good time buying all your stuff for pennies on the buck because of the insane surplus left behind by all the vax-i-suicides. Oh, and we will be saying "told you so" while we do it !!! 
