With all of the attention on a new variant of the vid, no reported deaths from it so far. This leads to one of two reactions: 1) we should hope for new variations of the vid because each is less and less harmful 2) the imprisonment of American freedoms is working against a ruthless killer and we should lockdown America to fix gun and drug violence. (sarcastic of course) https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/...id-19-deaths-omicron But what remains is the fact that this new variant is no threat to the public and still we have mandates and harassing policies to combat a threat that doesn't exist.
Here is a question, something I haven't seen addressed but something I have been pondering:
If one has had one variant, does it provide any protection or immunity against the other variants? In other words, if you catch Omicron, would you develop natural immunity to Delta or the original Moo Shu Flu?
Here is a question, something I haven't seen addressed but something I have been pondering:
If one has had one variant, does it provide any protection or immunity against the other variants? In other words, if you catch Omicron, would you develop natural immunity to Delta or the original Moo Shu Flu?
A Joe Rogan podcast had a Dr. as a guest who said that there is no evidence of a person getting covid more than once. The vast majority of civid "illnesses" are not actually clinically verified and are infact just assumptions. Both that the infection itself is actually covid and that the variant is also assumed. At one time, ALL infections were alpha, then like a flick of a switch all infections were delta, now we will soon assume all infections are omicron including every case of sniffles, allergies, scratchy throat and cough. This Dr. has brought up some interesting and valid questions and concerns. Like: after 2 years of covid being in America wrecking people's lives,.....why doesn't the American Government even attempt to promote treatment at home for symptoms? They have had a vaccine for a year and not a single treatment for symptoms?
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There is a reason he no longer works for Baylor University/Scott & White Medical center and theere is a reason Baylor sued him to make him stop saying he was still associated with that well known Texas medical organization after he was (leaked info says he was) 'allegedly' fired from Baylor.
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There is a reason he no longer works for Baylor University/Scott & White Medical center and theere is a reason Baylor sued him to make him stop saying he was still associated with that well known Texas medical organization after he was (leaked info says he was) 'allegedly' fired from Baylor.
This may or may not be true, but can you prove his claims wrong? I have no doubt that many people were shunned over covid opinions and beliefs. Including shadow banned and outright canceled on social media and employment. To have a disagreement and termination over differences is nothing new and certainly not proof of wrong doing or even wrong advice.
At least one person has died in the United Kingdom after contracting the Omicron coronavirus variant, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said, in what is the first publicly confirmed death globally from the swiftly spreading strain. (More at above link.)
This may or may not be true, but can you prove his claims wrong? I have no doubt that many people were shunned over covid opinions and beliefs. Including shadow banned and outright canceled on social media and employment. To have a disagreement and termination over differences is nothing new and certainly not proof of wrong doing or even wrong advice.
Nor are his claims proof of veracity or vindication. Anyone, can 'claim' anything. His reputation as a covid quack tho, precedes him in great quantity.
In most well known illnesses, many initial diagnosis are made by symptom, then verified later by tests. This is especially true in re-infections since the test for re-infection is much different than the test for an initial infection. There will always be those that deny test accuracy, reported numbers, even the existence of an illness. McCullough isn't taken seriously by anyone that is even remotely informed. Covid re-infections are 'relatively' rare but there have been confirmed cases of it happening.
[QUOTE] At least one person has died in the United Kingdom after contracting the Omicron coronavirus variant, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said, in what is the first publicly confirmed death globally from the swiftly spreading strain. (More at above link.)
[/QUOTE] This death is possibly another person that died with covid rather than of covid. But either way I meant to say deaths in America, thus the freedoms comment. My bad.
I think it's still early going, as far as Omicron. I don't think it is any more dangerous than Delta in terms of lethality, severity or possible long term damage from it (to a person's health) but I am not putting much stock in the idea that it is less dangerous. I don't think there's enough data.
I did see a report earlier today that describes Omicron as more infectious or more transmissible than Delta by a factor of 70 times. Not 70 percent more infectious, but 70 times more infectious.
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Omicron was discovered November 11th. To date mabe one person World wide has died. In America none has. After being in over half the States in America and no deaths from it, people still FREAKING out over nothing.
Got my booster shot on Thursday. There were probably a hundred people in the hall at any given time (as everyone is asked to sit for 15 minutes after their shot). I didn't see a single person "FREAKING out". Maybe we're just calmer folk in Canada.
Read-o-Meter pegs this as a 9-minute read, for anyone to read it attentively from top to bottom.
If this were a restaurant instead of a news report, it would rank the highest number of "stars" from Michelin. Which I thought was 5, but maybe it's only 3, although it seems it could be 5 for just a very few of the most exceptional restaurants in the world. In other words, this is hands down the most impressive reporting on Omicron that I've encountered, to date.
These paragraphs are "key" :
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But what exactly gives Omicron its competitive advantage has so far been unclear. Preliminary data, announced via press release Wednesday, which provide a first look at how Omicron may behave inside the human body, offers a clue to what might be behind its superspreading powers: more virus in people’s airways, which could mean more virus in the air.
The new research comes from a Hong Kong University team led by public health professor Michael Chan Chi-wai and pathologist John Nicholls. Previously, the researchers pioneered a method for growing human tissues extracted from the lung and respiratory tract, which they used to study how SARS-CoV-2 invaded cells and replicated compared to other dangerous coronaviruses. Using this same system, they analyzed how live, replicating particles of Omicron infected the tissues. They found that over the first 24 hours, Omicron multiplied about 70 times faster inside [upper] respiratory-tract tissue than the Delta variant. When they ran the same experiments with the lung tissue, they found Omicron was actually worse at infecting those cells than either Delta or the original strain of the virus that originated in Wuhan.
That seemingly helps explain the variant’s infectiousness, and also why it may not be causing as severe sickness as previous variants of the coronavirus — as early data suggest.
So that's Omicron in a nutshell.
"If you can find a better report, read it."
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By any definition, restricting travel and or travel banns is a major deal. Over something that has possibly killed only one person World wide is freaking out. Remember when President Trump imposed a travel bann on China after MANY MANY deaths was called racist and uncalled for, unnecessary? Ya, Canada is freaking out too
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So I was doing some recon on the web and found before and an after pics of Patrick...
Oh the shame... I turned into... an American! Ha ha, no chance.
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Ya, Canada is freaking out too
Your definition of "FREAKING out" is obviously a little different than mine. A government taking responsible action is hardly "FREAKING out".
I thought maybe I could find you of an example of a Canadian actually "FREAKING out". So, I present... Marc Crawford, former coach of the Vancouver Canucks NHL hockey team. Yeah, he was little excited here.
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Your definition of ""FREAKING out" is obviously a little different than mine. A government taking responsible action is hardly "FREAKING out".
I thought maybe I could find you of an example of a Canadian actually "FREAKING out". Here's Marc Crawford, former coach of the Vancouver Canucks hockey team. Yeah, he was little excited here.
Sure, I guess people lining up by the hundred for a booster shot and imposing travel banns in response to one possible death to omicron is a perfectly rational freakout.
Sure, I guess people lining up by the hundred for a booster shot and imposing travel banns in response to one possible death to omicron is a perfectly rational freakout.
Rick, serious question... Are you of the opinion that Omicron is currently the only variant of the COVID virus in circulation?
And Canada “freaking out” has resulted in almost 1/3 the death rate as the US. Freak out and stay alive……….ignore facts and die. We all have a choice.
True, maybe? I believe it is deeper than that. Covid attacks and harms the unhealthy and obese as it's favorite targets. A death toll is not as much of a blind eye to warnings as it is a yardstick of overall health of a Nation. Also as was pointed out by Don in another thread, Americans are the most traveled people on Earth. We move everywhere all of the time. Inside our cities and outside, as well as to and from virtually every landmass on Earth. That puts the US at a higher risk as well. There is more than meets the eye.
Rick, serious question... Are you of the opinion that Omicron is currently the only variant of the COVID virus in circulation?
No, as a matter of fact covid 19 isn't even the first. Covid has been around for a long time. We should hope that it keeps mutating because each variation is less harmful to us. Soon if it does keep mutating, it will just be a common flue. The lot of variations will most likely exist for a long time. But, some believe that as new versions pop up, the previous diminish. Maybe this is true? I am undecided on this theory. I am not a denier or anti-vax. I believe people should get the vaccine and even a booster (as recommended by medical professionals) if they feel it is best for them. I believe that the vaccinated should have no worries about the unvaccinated and should go about their lives normally without forcing others to take it against their will.
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No, as a matter of fact covid 19 isn't even the first. Covid has been around for a long time.
Perhaps I should've made it more clear that I was referring to variants of COVID-19. The booster shot isn't just protection against Omicron, as you appear to be focused on. Up to this point, Delta is the variant to be best avoided and protected against. However, protection against all the COVID-19 variants is obviously the goal of the vaccines.
Americans are the most traveled people on Earth. We move everywhere all of the time. Inside our cities and outside, as well as to and from virtually every landmass on Earth.
So, you're saying then that Americans are the ones responsible for spreading this virus all over the planet. Thanks a bunch!
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Perhaps I should've made it more clear that I was referring to variants of COVID-19. The booster shot isn't just protection against Omicron, as you appear to be focused on. Up to this point, Delta is the variant to be best avoided and protected against. However, protection against all the COVID-19 variants is obviously the goal of the vaccines.
I don't disagree, for the most part. However I will point out that I am not focused on omicron, the people freaking out are. Also, the delta version is not more deadly, it is more contagious and by sheer numbers of infections has tallied more deaths. The alpha version of the man-made covid is the most deadly and least transmissable of them. The "experts" seem to be unanimous in opinion that omicron is even more contagious. This might be true? But if it is true then there is nothing for the vaccinated to worry about, because this variation isn't even killing off the unvaccinated. People have died from the flue long before covid19 and will no doubt continue in the future, just like people will die from the man made covid and it's variations NO MATTER how many lockdowns, travel restrictions and other such freakouts happen.
Care for the Hotez, anyone? He's sounding some very cautionary notes. One of my favorite Covid commentators. Second only to Vin Gupta. https://youtu.be/EmNzZ3Li3cc
No country is going to completely "stop" a virus from spreading, but without even looking it up, I dare say that COVID deaths per capita are no doubt much lower in Australia than they are in the States. . .
Boy, Fiero people sure are gullible. And Baylor is chit school, politically. Additionally, if all Canadians are like Patrick, I'm more intelligent and more agreeable than entire nation.
Talk about gullible; Anyone who watches Fox/Russia or OANN/Russia is a putin soldier helping to destroy America. Trump did everything he could to spread the virus for his puppet master and you guys keep saying "No he didn't! The virus doesn't even exist! It's all fake news- I get the truth from Putin-certified news outlets!"
Amazing how the "Commie" foreign nations are controlling Covid while we are having so much trouble.....Looking back at other pandemics we have worked together to control and limit the spread- but now we have "Friend" putin telling the right to not wear masks or get vaccine ("They are part of a COMMIE plot!!!!!") while the idiot left is led down the opposite path with stupidity like "Defund the cops"
I see why the "Right" think so highly of putin; He is destroying America and western civilization without firing a shot.
Talk about gullible; Anyone who watches Fox/Russia or OANN/Russia is a putin soldier helping to destroy America. Trump did everything he could to spread the virus for his puppet master and you guys keep saying "No he didn't! The virus doesn't even exist! It's all fake news- I get the truth from Putin-certified news outlets!"
Amazing how the "Commie" foreign nations are controlling Covid while we are having so much trouble.....Looking back at other pandemics we have worked together to control and limit the spread- but now we have "Friend" putin telling the right to not wear masks or get vaccine ("They are part of a COMMIE plot!!!!!") while the idiot left is led down the opposite path with stupidity like "Defund the cops"
I see why the "Right" think so highly of putin; He is destroying America and western civilization without firing a shot.
No country is going to completely "stop" a virus from spreading, but without even looking it up, I dare say that COVID deaths per capita are no doubt much lower in Australia than they are in the States. . .
Australia ----- 83.03 Canada ----- 797.14 USA ------ 2,418.09
Maybe you can't give them any credit, but it seems to me that the Aussies are doing pretty damn well as the "most locked down Nation on Earth".
Patrick, lock downs are not the reason for death rates. There are many factors that decide the outcome or numbers. I have already said that America is an unhealthy population, we are over weight lazy and popping pills for everything under the sun. Given the average age of covid deaths is something in the range of 80 years old, how many 80 year Olds are in great shape in America? Another way to look at this is that America has a huge population of elderly people? Lock downs are a tool, not a cure. I do not choose to use this tool. https://www.statista.com/st...rom-covid-by-age-us/
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You must have a very low threshold.
