What the hell is a bone growth stimulator, more to the point, how does it work ?
A little over a year ago, I broke my arm. After bone doctor's care, it never healed right. My second doctor, a sports rehab doctor would not even rehab me, deferred me to a specialist. My predicament was beyond his realm. He deferred me to another specialist. One who could re-break my arm and surgically re-attach it. Sort of like a mechanical arm.
I have know of some who had hip replacements, knee replacements, some with back surgery. (Yes, I hang out with a rough crowd, 0Click to show Those don't always end up well, sometimes worse, but the damage is done.
Here is my question. I opted for a "bone growth stimulator". The damn thing cost $3,000+, my co pay is $500. I have three days to back out of my contract. I was not told this but I know that.
What the hell is a bone growth stimulator, more to the point, how does it work ? Upon receipt of it I was told it sends, ... electronic waves through my arm. I asked how it knows where exactly those signals know where to be sent. Would all surrounding bones "growth" ? "Not to worry" was the answer.
The funny thing, well not so funny, is that I will own it, but it is only good for one year, per Food and Drug Administration. It can be renewed but what the frack ? It's a mechanical device. It can't go stale, like bread.Click to show
So Cliff (W) it's obvious that you are in contact with the medical community. There's this, and the Covid that affected your wife--and you also? I don't quite remember it that sharply, what you said about it here. I think you said you were diagnosed with Covid.
I'm just suggesting that maybe you could put these other questions that you expressed today or yesterday about Covid (etc.) to the same medical practitioners that you have been seeing. That message where you put all the brief and sometimes contradictory statements from Dr Fauci.
A NIOSH-certified N95 respirator (face mask) without any kind of valve is what I perceive as the "gold standard" for Covid protection and I don't think they are hard to locate and purchase online. I don't think it would cost you an "arm and a leg." I have some. I have taken a suggestion that I've seen online, which is to reuse it as long as there is no visible deterioration or soiling of it. That may not be the best practice. But I have had the first dose of Moderna. Just a couple off weeks ago. No particular side effects. A little sensitivity around the injection site for a day or two. Nothing more than that. I expect the second dose will be harder on me.
Next one down, a KN95 respirator mask. Then the simple surgical-style masks that are most commonly seen.
What's come out now (courtesy of MEM) is to avoid any mask that has graphene in it.
What the hell is a bone growth stimulator, more to the point, how does it work ?
The funny thing, well not so funny, is that I will own it, but it is only good for one year, per Food and Drug Administration. It can be renewed but what the frack ? It's a mechanical device. It can't go stale, like bread.Click to show
Like any device it has parameters that need to be maintained. if it gets out side of those it could work in unexpected ways. You could end up with an extra thick bone or it could just not be effective at all.
Do not stick your dick in it, contrary to what you hear on the internet it is not a bone.
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Do not stick your dick in it, contrary to what you hear on the internet it is not a bone.
You mean it will not be longer and stronger and last longer ? How did you cum by that information, .
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Like any device it has parameters that need to be maintained. if it gets out side of those it could work in unexpected ways. You could end up with an extra thick bone or it could just not be effective at all.
Thank you for that.
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Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero: Did you try rubbing some snake oil on it?
I think I am doing that now. I have been rubbing beer on it, from the inside out, .
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Originally posted by rinselberg: So Cliff (W) it's obvious that you are in contact with the medical community. There's this, and the Covid that affected your wife--and you also? I don't quite remember it that sharply, what you said about it here. I think you said you were diagnosed with Covid.
I'm just suggesting that maybe you could put these other questions that you expressed today or yesterday about Covid (etc.) to the same medical practitioners that you have been seeing. That message where you put all the brief and sometimes contradictory statements from Dr Fauci.
Thank you for your input, . You must have missed the part where I said I have been to four different doctors. Neither a Kung Flu doctor. My wife was diagnosed with Kung Flu. We maritially , not socially distanced, had very close contact, in the same house, in the same bed. Very close. I never got the Kung Flu, never wore a mask. Covid is not an STD.
Truth be told, I only wore a mask as so not to get infected and infect her. I would not be able to face myself, nor her family. Go figure, , she got infected and I did not.
2.5 is right. It stimulates bone growth electrically. My brother had three discs in his lower back that were completely worn away. He went to Hamilton to the sports orthopedic clinic that is connected to Colgate University. The doc put plastic spacers between the vertebrae and scraped the bone and told him how many hours a day to use the stimulator. It caused the bones to fuse to one another. He lost some mobility, but is basically pain free. that was three years ago. I say give it a go. God luck
What the hell is a bone growth stimulator, more to the point, how does it work ?
A little over a year ago, I broke my arm. After bone doctor's care, it never healed right.
The electro stim is intended to speed up the process of osteogenesis (natural growth of trabecular and cortical bone).
Your bone in your arm failing to heal properly is called pseudoarthrosis or a "failed fusion" or "non-union", so the electro stim is a prophylactic measure to help speed the recalcification process and try to mitigate another pseudoarthrosis.
Implanted versions of the stimulator do have a 6 to 12 month life as regulated by the FDA and must be removed and replaced, (called a "revision") if necessary however most bone osteogenesis is complete in humans within 9 months or less.
Generally, patients who have a had a previous pseudoarthrosis, patients who smoke, patients with severe diabetes, patients with compromised vascular blood flow and patients with certain genetic bone diseases are prime candidates for electro stim therapy.
The newest therapy for healing fractures quicker involves the use of hyaluronic acid and deferoxamine into the fracture via an implantable, drug eluting, delivery device that is made if biocompatible polyethylene plastic.
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Thank you for your input, . You must have missed the part where I said I have been to four different doctors. Neither a Kung Flu doctor. My wife was diagnosed with Kung Flu. We maritially , not socially distanced, had very close contact, in the same house, in the same bed. Very close. I never got the Kung Flu, never wore a mask. Covid is not an STD.
Truth be told, I only wore a mask as so not to get infected and infect her. I would not be able to face myself, nor her family. Go figure, , she got infected and I did not.
You may or may not care, but that term “Kung flu” is offensive, and similar attitudes have resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against Asian Americans.
Originally posted by theBDub: You may or may not care, but that term “Kung flu” is offensive, and similar attitudes have resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against Asian Americans.
maryjane, way to get in there. Thank you for keeping us honest.
Way back in the late 80s my brother had to have titanium rods put in his back for a real bad case of scoliosis. I met a guy there who had an implant in his hip that was stimulating bone growth as one of his legs was shorter than the other. It's interesting to hear about updates to the use of this technology.
You may or may not care, but that term “Kung flu” is offensive,
I DO NOT CARE and moreover;
Saying that you are "offended" is simply saying that you are unable to control your own emotions and you expect other people to do it for you. I won't.
Leftists, always trying to control other people's speech.
Now, despite your attempt to completely derail this thread into another of your pointless racist rabbit holes, we can get back to orthopedics.
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So you're related to him. The image 2_1 with him and the college aged grand niece, they look like twins. Brother and sister or cousins. Head shape, nose posture, etc..
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Originally posted by maryjane:
Funny. I am not sure, but I think I may still have a picture somewhere of theBDub and myself together when he visited wife & I about 10 years ago.
Originally posted by theBDub: You may or may not care, but that term “Kung flu” is offensive, and similar attitudes have resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against Asian Americans.
Offensive ? How ? To who ? Why ?
Is the term Kung Fu offensive ? Kung Flu is an apt description of this virus. Why is no one offended by the South American variant, or any other variants from other areas named after those areas.
You may or may not care, but the terms "Wuhan Virus" and "China Virus" are also said to be offensive. Technically, we can not even call it Covid, as Covid already existed before this Kung Flu variant.
Resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against Asian Americans ? Do you like every picture that is painted for you, believe everything you hear ? I don't buy it. Do you think I have more aspersions against Asians, American or not, because of this virus ? Do you know who does have more aspersions against the Asian POC ? Other POC.
My next door neighbor, a Fillipino, uses the term Kung Flu. Would you have me call the virus the oriental virus ?
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Originally posted by OldsFiero: The doc put plastic spacers between the vertebrae and scraped the bone and told him how many hours a day to use the stimulator. It caused the bones to fuse to one another. He lost some mobility, but is basically pain free. that was three years ago. I say give it a go. God luck Marc
Thank you Marc, ! My bone was not scraped on each end. That would happen if they separated them.
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Good to hear from you, .
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Originally posted by randye: The electro stim is intended to speed up the process of osteogenesis (natural growth of trabecular and cortical bone).
Your bone in your arm failing to heal properly is called pseudoarthrosis or a "failed fusion" or "non-union", so the electro stim is a prophylactic measure to help speed the recalcification process and try to mitigate another pseudoarthrosis.
Implanted versions of the stimulator do have a 6 to 12 month life as regulated by the FDA and must be removed and replaced, (called a "revision") if necessary however most bone osteogenesis is complete in humans within 9 months or less.
Generally, patients who have a had a previous pseudoarthrosis, patients who smoke, patients with severe diabetes, patients with compromised vascular blood flow and patients with certain genetic bone diseases are prime candidates for electro stim therapy.
The newest therapy for healing fractures quicker involves the use of hyaluronic acid and deferoxamine into the fracture via an implantable, drug eluting, delivery device that is made if biocompatible polyethylene plastic.Click to show
I don't speak Klingon, . I will look into that information. Thanks.
And I'm still not convinced he isnt a creation made up by maryjane. He completely aligns with some facets politically. The alter ego people don't let out unless under anonymity.
The Kung Flu comment was an intentional trigger post.
Way back in the late 80s my brother had to have titanium rods put in his back for a real bad case of scoliosis. I met a guy there who had an implant in his hip that was stimulating bone growth as one of his legs was shorter than the other. It's interesting to hear about updates to the use of this technology.
You may or may not care, but that term “Kung flu” is offensive, and similar attitudes have resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against Asian Americans.
"X is offensive, and similarattitudes have resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against X"
Here's the problem I see.
Similar attitudes...so attitudes should be adjusted, is that similar to thought crimes? Dramatic...judged by whom?
Should we dumb down freedom of speech to the lowest brainpowered denominator in order to protect "us" from "ourselves"?
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"X is offensive, and similarattitudes have resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against X"
Here's the problem I see.
Similar attitudes...so attitudes should be adjusted, is that similar to thought crimes? Dramatic...judged by whom?
Should we dumb down freedom of speech to the lowest brainpowered denominator in order to protect "us" from "ourselves"?
I think that when theBDub used the phrase "similar attitudes" he was aiming for "similar euphemisms." The "Kung Flu" would be an attitude if it were just a thought in people's minds. When people say it or type it, it becomes a euphemism.
I don't think that theBDub is concerned about thought crimes.
Of course, if people didn't have dumb thoughts like "Kung Flu" they wouldn't express dumb euphemisms like "Kung Flu."
Saying that you are "offended" is simply saying that you are unable to control your own emotions and you expect other people to do it for you. I won't.
Leftists, always trying to control other people's speech.
Now, despite your attempt to completely derail this thread into another of your pointless racist rabbit holes, we can get back to orthopedics.
I didn't think you would, Randy. You've made your position on that abundantly clear. I also didn't ask for you or Cliff to curb your speech. What I did was say it was offensive. You can do with that information what you will. I am not going to come control your speech, and the beauty of this forum is you can't control mine.
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Same here, 100% don't care.
Great!
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Originally posted by cliffw:
Offensive ? How ? To who ? Why ?
Is the term Kung Fu offensive ? Kung Flu is an apt description of this virus. Why is no one offended by the South American variant, or any other variants from other areas named after those areas.
You may or may not care, but the terms "Wuhan Virus" and "China Virus" are also said to be offensive. Technically, we can not even call it Covid, as Covid already existed before this Kung Flu variant.
Resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against Asian Americans ? Do you like every picture that is painted for you, believe everything you hear ? I don't buy it. Do you think I have more aspersions against Asians, American or not, because of this virus ? Do you know who does have more aspersions against the Asian POC ? Other POC.
My next door neighbor, a Fillipino, uses the term Kung Flu. Would you have me call the virus the oriental virus
Offensive to me, and my Asian American wife. She has been told by multiple people while out and about that she is spreading COVID-19... because uninformed, racist people look at her and assume she is Chinese and therefore she carries the virus. She's not Chinese, if she were it wouldn't matter, and neither of us have had COVID-19.
Nobody calls the South American variant by a name that has nothing to do with the virus. They call it the South American variant or by its scientific name. They call the Brazil variant the Brazil variant or scientific name. They call the British variant the UK variant or scientific name. Most people don't call COVID-19 "Kung flu," but you decided to.
Violence against Asian Americans is rising. Just because you aren't exposed to it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
I told you your joke was offensive, because it is to me. I'm not going to come after you for it. It's your call to either listen to my feedback and accept that I find it offensive, or decide that my opinion isn't valuable to you and you will continue.
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Originally posted by 2.5:
"X is offensive, and similarattitudes have resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against X"
Here's the problem I see.
Similar attitudes...so attitudes should be adjusted, is that similar to thought crimes? Dramatic...judged by whom?
Should we dumb down freedom of speech to the lowest brainpowered denominator in order to protect "us" from "ourselves"?
It's not a crime to be offensive. But your question of if attitudes should be adjusted... Yes. Nobody is going to crawl into your brain and force you to change your attitude, but if you're being a racist then I'd say you could use a bit more empathy.
I am allowed to be offended by seeing the similarities between Cliff's usage of "Kung Flu" and other language used by those who are perpetuating these attacks.
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Originally posted by theBDub: Offensive to me, and my Asian American wife. She has been told by multiple people while out and about that she is spreading COVID-19... because uninformed, racist people look at her and assume she is Chinese and therefore she carries the virus. She's not Chinese, if she were it wouldn't matter, and neither of us have had COVID-19.
Eeh ? What ?
Based upon you wife's look she was told that she was spreading Covid-19, or the Kung Flu ? Do you think I am uninformed and racist ? Is your wife a dumbazz and are you ? I don't listen to uninformed, racist, dumbazzes. Why would she ?
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Congrats, I did not know that you married. I mean no offense.
Based upon you wife's look she was told that she was spreading Covid-19, or the Kung Flu ? Do you think I am uninformed and racist ? Is your wife a dumbazz and are you ? I don't listen to uninformed, racist, dumbazzes. Why would she ?
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Congrats, I did not know that you married. I mean no offense.
From the way theBDub describes it, she cannot help but hear it, when she is out and about. Unless she were to wear earplugs.
But that's just how I'm reading it. Perhaps theBDub himself will return to transform this grainy black and white image of what it's like into a "like you were in the scene yourself" kind of experience for us.
Offensive to me, and my Asian American wife. She has been told by multiple people while out and about that she is spreading COVID-19... because uninformed, racist people look at her and assume she is Chinese and therefore she carries the virus. She's not Chinese, if she were it wouldn't matter, and neither of us have had COVID-19.
Stop being offensive by calling them "racist". That's totally hypocritical.
You better go ahead and get used to odd comments since you married outside your race.
Based upon you wife's look she was told that she was spreading Covid-19, or the Kung Flu ? Do you think I am uninformed and racist ? Is your wife a dumbazz and are you ? I don't listen to uninformed, racist, dumbazzes. Why would she ?
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Congrats, I did not know that you married. I mean no offense.
What was difficult to understand? Based on the way my wife looks, she’s been told she should wear two masks and she has been told she is spreading COVID-19. It’s called racism, and evidently you haven’t experienced it or you wouldn’t need a clarification.
Do I think you’re uninformed? Yes, based on you not evidently not understanding my comment and doubting the rise in violence against Asian Americans. Do I think you’re racist? I don’t know you well enough to say.
Is my wife a dumbass? No. Am I? No. Why does she listen to racists? Kinda hard not to hear someone when they’re talking to you, Cliff.
Yeah, she has thick enough skin. She’s gonna be just fine. That doesn’t mean the guy telling my wife to wear two masks isn’t racist. And I bet that guy would love your Kung Flu joke. I don’t, and I’m just letting you know that. Again, you can choose to ignore it. Or pretend you still don’t get it.
Fine it's the Hong Kong Phooey Flu then. It isn't Whites committing violence against Asians. But anti-Asian violence doesn't compare to the violence Whites suffer from in cross-race attacks.
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So you're related to him. The image 2_1 with him and the college aged grand niece, they look like twins. Brother and sister or cousins. Head shape, nose posture, etc..
Not even close, but thanks for playing. You have an active imagination. He's no more related to her (or me) than he is to you.
Violence? A dramatic increase? BDub You said some idiot mouthed off and said she should be wearing two masks. Im sure its offensive if they also said it was because she looked like a certain ethnicity.
The news said "The Corona Virus", "Covid 19" originated in China. I think this is likely how people got the idea.
I dont even talk about the stupid virus much, if I did Id say covid. Which people know came from China. That fact doesnt change. There are idiots everywhere, and yes racists exist. I dont think you can blame someone saying "Kung flu" on PFF for someone saying your wife "should wear two masks because she looks asian".
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I don't blame the Asians I see for the COVID 19 Virus. Anyone that does is pretty stupid in my opinion. But, on the other side of that same coin, I get blamed for all kinds of stuff on a daily basis simply because I am, what I am so, it is, what it is.
Grow a set is all I can say.
Rams
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It's difficult to understand WHY you continually piss all over thread after thread that has NOTHING to do with you or your resentment, call other people racists, whether directly or indirectly, and then whine and cry about you being "offended".
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Originally posted by randye: It's difficult to understand WHY you [theBDub] continually piss all over thread after thread that has NOTHING to do with you or your resentment, call other people racists, whether directly or indirectly, and then whine and cry about you being "offended".
It's difficult to see where you offered cliffw ANY comment or advice regarding his original post and the topic of this thread regarding MEDICAL issues and electro bone stimulation in specific.
It's difficult to understand if you will ever grow up, grow a pair and realize that the world is not going to change to suit you.
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Originally posted by randye:
I DO NOT CARE and moreover;
Saying that you [theBDub] are "offended" is simply saying that you are unable to control your own emotions and you expect other people to do it for you.
I won't.
Leftists, always trying to control other people's speech. Now, despite your attempt to completely derail this thread into ANOTHER of your pointless racist rabbit holes, we can get back to orthopedics.
Self-incrimination in its most perfectly self-contradictory manifestation.
The cognitive dissonance on display here is absolutely off the charts.
What an overwide trailer load of psychological projection.
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