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They can't see the Forrest for the trees. Tennessee lawmakers. A Confederate general. by rinselberg
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Some of the messages in this thread read like the frantic squawking of a chicken that's being strangled.



We've noticed, and yet the solution is so simple.

All you have to do is stop your squawking and the problem is remedied.


 
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the name of "Donald J. Trump"



Interestingly but not surprisingly, NOBODY except YOU mentioned his name anywhere in this thread.

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Originally posted by randye:


Interestingly but not surprisingly, NOBODY except YOU mentioned his name anywhere in this thread.



Just an attempt to drive a reaction. I'm convinced it's all about attention seeking syndrome. But, that's just my opinion and to be honest, my opinion only counts in how I rate others.
I know this. I also accept the repercussions of what I say and do. Decisions have rewards and consequences.

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Why would you ask such questions when the answers are so obvious.
Apparently, you're looking for a pissing contest. Sorry, I already went.

Have a good day.

Rams


Yep, I can see where you did it.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...ML/126311-2.html#p60
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Yep, I can see where you did it.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...ML/126311-2.html#p60


If you say so.

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Originally posted by randye:


Interestingly but not surprisingly, NOBODY except YOU mentioned his name anywhere in this thread.


Actually, I did, on the previous page: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...ML/126311-2.html#p54

 
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Now for the trick question: How do we know that anything we read about N.B.Forrest is any more accurate than what we have read about D.J.Trump, B.Kavanaugh or H.Biden?

You quoted it in the very next post.
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"Atlanta school to drop Confederate general's name and honor Hank Aaron"
 
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(Reuters) - A public school in Atlanta, Georgia which carried the name of a Confederate general will be renamed after Hank Aaron, honoring the legendary baseball player who battled racism in the process of breaking the record for most home runs in a career, the New York Times reported here.

The Atlanta Board of Education unanimously voted on Monday to approve removing the name of Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest from Forrest Hill Academy and renaming it the Hank Aaron New Beginnings Academy, accord to the NYT report.

“Names do matter,” Jason F. Esteves, Atlanta’s school board chairman, said at the meeting, according to the NYT report. School board members said Forrest’s legacy was at odds with the community and its values.

In my ceaseless and insatiable (and manic and futile) quest for attention, I just duplicated this entire report--save for one last paragraph.

Reuters staff; April 13, 2021.
https://www.reuters.com/art...on-nyt-idUSKBN2C10FV

What's worse than a Yank? Why it's Hammerin' Hank !



What a revoltin' development this is !

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Actually, I did, on the previous page:

You quoted it in the very next post.



I stand corrected. Thank You.

Clearly, the noise from the squawking chicken distracted me and I missed it.

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After the recent recommendations of the Tennessee Historical Commission were publicized, including the recommended relocation of the large bronze of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State Capitol Building to the nearby Tennessee State Museum, Susan Cooper Eastman opined at some length about "all things Nathan Bedford Forrest."

"The General, in Black and White: What the debate over Nathan B. Forrest High School says about us"
Susan Cooper Eastman for Folio 2.0 Weekly Magazine; March 18, 2021.
https://folioweekly.com/sto...-says-about-us,22353

Ms Eastman's column includes several references to (one) Eric Foner.
 
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Nathan Bedford Forrest was a homicidal criminal,” says Eric Foner the DeWitt Clinton professor of history at Columbia University and one of the country’s foremost experts on the Civil War and Reconstruction. More important, he says, this pervasive historical revisionism, this insistence on glossing over the sins of yesteryear, prevents long-standing psychic wounds from healing.

“Reconciliation requires truth,” Foner says. “You have to have one to have the other. It’s not, ‘Slavery is over. You need to get over it.’ Reconciliation requires facing [the entire] truth, and facing the truth about Nathan Bedford Forrest.”

more references to Eric Foner, on the topic of Nathan Bedford Forrest


So who is Eric Foner?
 
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Eric Foner, DeWitt Clinton Professor Emeritus of History [at Columbia University], specializes in the Civil War and Reconstruction, slavery, and 19th-century America. He is one of only two persons to serve as President of the Organization of American Historians, American Historical Association, and Society of American Historians. He has also been the curator of several museum exhibitions, including the prize-winning "A House Divided: America in the Age of Lincoln," at the Chicago Historical Society. His book, The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery won the Pulitzer, Bancroft, and Lincoln prizes for 2011. His latest book is Gateway to Freedom: The Hidden History of the Underground Railroad. [He co-authored "America’s Reconstruction: People and Politics After the Civil War."]
https://history.columbia.edu/person/foner-eric/


All this, of course, raises the obvious question:
 
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When it comes to Nathan Bedford Forrest, does Eric Foner know what he's talking about, or is he just "Foner'ing it in"..?


Like these people:


?

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"When in Rome, do as the Romans do"

"Advisory panel says to move [Nathan Bedford] Forrest statue in Rome . . . to museum."
 
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An advisory committee says that a . . . statue of Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest should be placed inside a . . . museum.
Associated Press; April 19, 2021.
https://newschannel9.com/ne...in-rome-ga-to-museum

I hope they're thinking about this in Nashville. The Tennessee State legislators. Let Rome be their guide star in this matter.



Some say, even today, that this Confederate General was the man who saved Rome.

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Lets move everything to a museum.
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You guys still beating this dead general?
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
You guys still beating this dead general?

This transcends the historical Nathan Bedford Forrest and the NBF bronzes, statues, state holidays and schools that are named after him.

It's performative.
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Nathan Bedford Forrest III
 
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U.S. Army Air Corps Brigadier General Nathan Bedford Forrest III was the first U.S. general officer killed in combat against the Nazis during World War II. His plane was shot down over the Baltic Sea while participating in a B-17 bomber raid on Kiel, Germany. A 1928 graduate of West Point, he served as Second Air Force Chief of Staff prior to transfer to the U.S. Eighth Air Force in England. His body was recovered and buried by the Germans, after washing up at a seaplane base, in a small cemetery in Wier, Germany.

He was the great-grandson of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest.

In 1949, Nathan Bedford Forrest III's body was returned from Germany and reburied in Arlington . . .

A photograph from Nathan Bedford Forrest III's life and a photograph of his headstone at Arlington are online at "Find-a-grave."
https://www.findagrave.com/...than-bedford-forrest

And for no particular reason, a blog post that goes on forever. You'd have to schedule an entire day just to read this 'bad boy' from end to end. With more photographs and images from the time of the antebellum South, all the way to modern day, than anyone could shake an equestrian's riding stick at.

Elyce Feliz, Civil War blogger; July 31, 2013.
http://civilwaref.blogspot....rn-july-13-1821.html

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Slow news day?
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I thought it fit into the context of our U.S. Memorial Day. The story of Nathan Bedford Forrest III.

Think of it as your small "reward" for looking at a new forum message created by "yours truly."

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Originally posted by rinselberg:


Think of it as your small "reward" for looking at a new forum message created by "yours truly."



Like powdered sugar on a fresh, wet turd is a "reward"....
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MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — Workers arrived at a Tennessee park Tuesday to begin the process of digging up the remains of Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, and moving the former slave trader’s body from its longtime resting place in Memphis to a museum hundreds of miles away.

Crews prepared to remove the graves of Forrest and his wife from Health Sciences Park in Memphis’ busy medical district. The park used to bear the name of the early Ku Klux Klan leader, and feature a statue of the cavalryman on a horse, but the name has been changed and the statue removed in recent years.

Workers must dismantle the statue’s pedestal before they can disinter the Forrests' remains and move them to a Confederate museum in Middle Tennessee. A heavy crane was positioned near the pedestal as workers prepared the site Tuesday morning. The entire process is expected to take weeks.

With the approval of Forrest’s relatives, the Sons of Confederate Veterans is overseeing the move. A judge approved it late last year, ending a long legal battle.

That's not quite the half of it--that's about 40 percent of the complete report.

"Workers begin removing Nathan Bedford Forrest's remains from Tennessee park"
Associated Press; from Fox 17 WZTV Nashville; June 1, 2021.
https://fox17.com/news/loca...-from-tennessee-park





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Demorats crowing about trying to obscure another symbol of their own shameful and indelible insurrection heritage.

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The quicker they can hide it the quicker they can blame others. They know no shame.
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From pharaonic Egypt, forward to today . . .



Big History is here to inspect Reply Message Number 99
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Originally posted by Hudini:
The quicker they can hide it the quicker they can blame others. They know no shame.

Did you read the report from Fox 17 WZTV Nashville? The remainder of the report? My message only had the first part of the report. Not quite half of the full report.

I don't think what you said makes any sense--especially, in light of the entire report.

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I don't think what you said makes any sense--




Considering your posting history that is one of the most hilariously ironic statements ever.
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Originally posted by Hudini:
The quicker they can hide it the quicker they can blame others. They know no shame.




I can't hear you, Hudini. I can't hear anything on this line. I guess it's that interference that keeps cropping up. Where is that coming from? From MAGA World? From Mar-a-Blog'o? From one of the "Trumplican" Republicans that are among us? Is it the Right Wing Reactionary or Fringe Right presence that's long time (way too long time) been palpable here?

Maybe cvxjet has an idea about it--but I have not seen him show up here recently.

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I can't hear you, Hudini.




That's appropriate since HE WASN'T TALKING TO YOU

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Confederate flag and singing of "Dixie" at the exhumation of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest's remains in Memphis!

'Click' right here to reveal how the Confederacy thrives proudly in modern day Memphis!




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Betsy Phillips just checked in with a ZESTY column for the Nashville Scene.

"Forrest's Remains, the National Confederate Museum and Racist Hate"
 
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The Columbia-based museum is elevating Confederates who were early Klan leaders

Betsy Phillips for the Nashville Scene; June 7, 2021.
https://www.nashvillescene....seum-and-racist-hate

This is a good time to remind anyone who might be reading this (if there is any such person) that my practice in citing or presenting articles from online media (etc.) is to quote the title and the "nut graf" (also "nut graph") that often accompanies the title. (That's a sentence or two immediately below the title that is often part of the set up for the article).

I do that for reference, even if I do not agree 100 percent or even more than zero percent with the assertions or observations that are conveyed by the set up for the article.

Here's the first paragraph:
 
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So, they’re digging up old Nathan Bedford Forrest over in Memphis. The disinterment is going like hell. Confederates yelled at Tami Sawyer. They damaged a Black Lives Matter display. A righteous man burned a Confederate flag and now the spokesperson for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, Lee Millar, is begging people to just stay away. He told WREG: “We don’t want anyone to come down. We don’t want anything stirred up. Just leave things alone and don’t come bother the construction workers or anybody else in the park.”

ZESTY?

The entire column Read-o-Meters to just over 7 minutes. OK--almost 8 minutes. About halfway in between.

It starts with a "period" photograph from 1906.



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