Interestingly but not surprisingly, NOBODY except YOU mentioned his name anywhere in this thread.
Just an attempt to drive a reaction. I'm convinced it's all about attention seeking syndrome. But, that's just my opinion and to be honest, my opinion only counts in how I rate others. I know this. I also accept the repercussions of what I say and do. Decisions have rewards and consequences.
Now for the trick question: How do we know that anything we read about N.B.Forrest is any more accurate than what we have read about D.J.Trump, B.Kavanaugh or H.Biden?
"Atlanta school to drop Confederate general's name and honor Hank Aaron"
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(Reuters) - A public school in Atlanta, Georgia which carried the name of a Confederate general will be renamed after Hank Aaron, honoring the legendary baseball player who battled racism in the process of breaking the record for most home runs in a career, the New York Times reported here.
The Atlanta Board of Education unanimously voted on Monday to approve removing the name of Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest from Forrest Hill Academy and renaming it the Hank Aaron New Beginnings Academy, accord to the NYT report.
“Names do matter,” Jason F. Esteves, Atlanta’s school board chairman, said at the meeting, according to the NYT report. School board members said Forrest’s legacy was at odds with the community and its values.
In my ceaseless and insatiable (and manic and futile) quest for attention, I just duplicated this entire report--save for one last paragraph.
After the recent recommendations of the Tennessee Historical Commission were publicized, including the recommended relocation of the large bronze of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State Capitol Building to the nearby Tennessee State Museum, Susan Cooper Eastman opined at some length about "all things Nathan Bedford Forrest."
"The General, in Black and White: What the debate over Nathan B. Forrest High School says about us" Susan Cooper Eastman for Folio 2.0 Weekly Magazine; March 18, 2021. https://folioweekly.com/sto...-says-about-us,22353
Ms Eastman's column includes several references to (one) Eric Foner.
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Nathan Bedford Forrest was a homicidal criminal,” says Eric Foner the DeWitt Clinton professor of history at Columbia University and one of the country’s foremost experts on the Civil War and Reconstruction. More important, he says, this pervasive historical revisionism, this insistence on glossing over the sins of yesteryear, prevents long-standing psychic wounds from healing.
“Reconciliation requires truth,” Foner says. “You have to have one to have the other. It’s not, ‘Slavery is over. You need to get over it.’ Reconciliation requires facing [the entire] truth, and facing the truth about Nathan Bedford Forrest.”
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Forrest wasn’t just a slave trader. He was a man who made his fortune on the backs of others’ coerced labor. He not only called lhe Civil War a battle over slavery, but also was so passionately behind the pro-slavery cause that he paid for his own cavalry to fight the Union.
As for Forrest’s later involvement with the Klan, the commonly accepted notion that Forrest was the group’s first grand wizard didn't originate with a liberal Northerner bent on sullying his good name. Instead, it’s clearly stated in a friendly 1914 history of the Klan written by Laura Martin Rose, the historian for the United Daughters of the Confederacy.
The revisionists’ history relies heavily on the general’s own denials to Congress. But Forrest had every reason to lie. “The Klan was a terrorist organization like Al Qaeda,” Foner says. “Nobody is going to admit they’re a member of Al Qaeda to Congress."
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And then there’s the most noxious event in the Forrest story: Fort Pillow. In April 1864, some 300 Union soldiers — including more than 200 black soldiers, along with civilian women and children — were massacred in cold blood after Forrest’s Confederate troops had overrun and secured the fort. “Not only had the Confederates murdered most of the garrison after it had surrendered,” wrote Civil War historian Albert Castel in 1959, “but they had buried Negro soldiers alive, set fire to tents containing Federal wounded, and committed other terrible atrocities."
A month after the massacre [in1864], a congressional committee report put it this way: “The atrocities committed at Fort Pillow were not the result of passions committed by the heat of conflict, but were the results of a deliberately decided upon and unhesitatingly announced policy.” Forrest and his troops viewed the [Union's] black soldiers as less than human; they did not “recognize the officers and men of our [Union] colored regiments as entitled to the treatments accorded by all civilized nations to prisoners of war.”
In the words of U.S. Army Major General Stephen Hurlbut . . . "The information which I have from all sources official and otherwise, is that – whether by permission of [the Confederate] officers, or contrary to [that] permission, I cannot say — a butchery took place there that is unexampled in the record of civilized warfare."
Forrest’s defenders seize on that caveat. All this happened before the general arrived at Fort Pillow, they say, and when he discovered the massacre, he immediately put a stop to it. Had he authorized it, Nelson says, Forrest surely would have been hanged as a war criminal. Instead, President Andrew Johnson pardoned him.
“Every war criminal in history says that he didn’t know,” Foner counters. “He was in command. He was responsible for what happened. That’s why his name was on a school. He was the commander. If you’re in command, you’re responsible.”
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The Duval County School Board's 1959 decision to name a school after [Nathan Bedford Forrest] had nothing to do with the [Confederate general's] military genius or his later repudiation of the Klan’s intimidation tactics. It was an emphatic middle finger to the federal government, [after the U.S.] Supreme Court had recently ordered school desegregation nationwide.
“These names aren’t just pulled out of a history dictionary,” Foner says. “They often make a statement. Naming a school after Nathan Bedford Forrest five years after Brown v. Board of Education made a statement, a statement more about 1959 than about 1865."
more references to Eric Foner, on the topic of Nathan Bedford Forrest
So who is Eric Foner?
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Eric Foner, DeWitt Clinton Professor Emeritus of History [at Columbia University], specializes in the Civil War and Reconstruction, slavery, and 19th-century America. He is one of only two persons to serve as President of the Organization of American Historians, American Historical Association, and Society of American Historians. He has also been the curator of several museum exhibitions, including the prize-winning "A House Divided: America in the Age of Lincoln," at the Chicago Historical Society. His book, The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery won the Pulitzer, Bancroft, and Lincoln prizes for 2011. His latest book is Gateway to Freedom: The Hidden History of the Underground Railroad. [He co-authored "America’s Reconstruction: People and Politics After the Civil War."]
U.S. Army Air Corps Brigadier General Nathan Bedford Forrest III was the first U.S. general officer killed in combat against the Nazis during World War II. His plane was shot down over the Baltic Sea while participating in a B-17 bomber raid on Kiel, Germany. A 1928 graduate of West Point, he served as Second Air Force Chief of Staff prior to transfer to the U.S. Eighth Air Force in England. His body was recovered and buried by the Germans, after washing up at a seaplane base, in a small cemetery in Wier, Germany.
He was the great-grandson of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest.
In 1949, Nathan Bedford Forrest III's body was returned from Germany and reburied in Arlington . . .
And for no particular reason, a blog post that goes on forever. You'd have to schedule an entire day just to read this 'bad boy' from end to end. With more photographs and images from the time of the antebellum South, all the way to modern day, than anyone could shake an equestrian's riding stick at.
MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — Workers arrived at a Tennessee park Tuesday to begin the process of digging up the remains of Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, and moving the former slave trader’s body from its longtime resting place in Memphis to a museum hundreds of miles away.
Crews prepared to remove the graves of Forrest and his wife from Health Sciences Park in Memphis’ busy medical district. The park used to bear the name of the early Ku Klux Klan leader, and feature a statue of the cavalryman on a horse, but the name has been changed and the statue removed in recent years.
Workers must dismantle the statue’s pedestal before they can disinter the Forrests' remains and move them to a Confederate museum in Middle Tennessee. A heavy crane was positioned near the pedestal as workers prepared the site Tuesday morning. The entire process is expected to take weeks.
With the approval of Forrest’s relatives, the Sons of Confederate Veterans is overseeing the move. A judge approved it late last year, ending a long legal battle.
That's not quite the half of it--that's about 40 percent of the complete report.
Originally posted by Hudini: The quicker they can hide it the quicker they can blame others. They know no shame.
Did you read the report from Fox 17 WZTV Nashville? The remainder of the report? My message only had the first part of the report. Not quite half of the full report.
I don't think what you said makes any sense--especially, in light of the entire report.
Originally posted by Hudini: The quicker they can hide it the quicker they can blame others. They know no shame.
I can't hear you, Hudini. I can't hear anything on this line. I guess it's that interference that keeps cropping up. Where is that coming from? From MAGA World? From Mar-a-Blog'o? From one of the "Trumplican" Republicans that are among us? Is it the Right Wing Reactionary or Fringe Right presence that's long time (way too long time) been palpable here?
Maybe cvxjet has an idea about it--but I have not seen him show up here recently.
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Confederate flag and singing of "Dixie" at the exhumation of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest's remains in Memphis!
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The remains of early Ku Klux Klan leader and Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were finally being exhumed from a Memphis park, and the Black woman who led a long battle for the change was there to mark the moment.
But as activist-turned-elected-official Tami Sawyer prepared to address reporters, a man waved a Confederate flag behind her. Pacing back and forth, he called the Shelby County commissioner a “communist.” Then he started singing “Dixie,” the anthem of the Old South.
“This hatred and this racism is large and loud,” [Shelby Country commissioner Tami] Sawyer said as he sang. She added, “I’m not going to let him win.” . . .
The "commish" [Shelby Country commissioner Tami Sawyer] has filed for charges over the incident, alleging crimes of harassment and intimidation on the part of George Johnson, who brandished the Confederate flag and provided the a capella performance of "Dixie." Memphis PD is providing some extra protection for Sawyer in the aftermath of this incident.
This is a good time to remind anyone who might be reading this (if there is any such person) that my practice in citing or presenting articles from online media (etc.) is to quote the title and the "nut graf" (also "nut graph") that often accompanies the title. (That's a sentence or two immediately below the title that is often part of the set up for the article).
I do that for reference, even if I do not agree 100 percent or even more than zero percent with the assertions or observations that are conveyed by the set up for the article.
Here's the first paragraph:
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So, they’re digging up old Nathan Bedford Forrest over in Memphis. The disinterment is going like hell. Confederates yelled at Tami Sawyer. They damaged a Black Lives Matter display. A righteous man burned a Confederate flag and now the spokesperson for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, Lee Millar, is begging people to just stay away. He told WREG: “We don’t want anyone to come down. We don’t want anything stirred up. Just leave things alone and don’t come bother the construction workers or anybody else in the park.”
ZESTY?
The entire column Read-o-Meters to just over 7 minutes. OK--almost 8 minutes. About halfway in between.
It starts with a "period" photograph from 1906.
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"Confederate statues pulled from public parks in Charlottesville"
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The statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were pulled from public parks in Charlottesville on Saturday. This comes nearly four years after white supremacist and neo-nazi groups held a rally there, protesting calls to remove the monuments.
I've still got my eye on what is or is not eventually going to happen with that big bronze of Nathan Bedford Forrest in the Tennessee State Capitol Building in Knoxville.
Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and one more . . . a statue of the famed explorers Meriwether Lewis and William Clark that included a third representation, of the much celebrated Indigenous American, Native American or American Indian woman (trying to cover all the bases here) Sacagawea (or Sacajawea.)
The Lewis-Clark-Sacagawea monument was also removed from public display after being a part of Charlottesville's public space since 1919.
"The statue was of two White men -- Meriwether Lewis and William Clark -- and Sacagawea, who was depicted [as] tracking, according to historians. Those against the statue have said Sacagawea appears to be cowering . . ."
I guess it could have been worse. What if she'd been depicted as fracking?
"Charlottesville removes Lewis and Clark statue featuring Sacagawea along with Confederate statues" Amir Vera, Artemis Moshtaghian and Elizabeth Joseph for CNN; July 12, 2021. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07...-virginia/index.html
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Originally posted by Nazareth: Knoxville you say? Interesting that the EXPERT seems to have missed the mark here
Yeah, that's a "gotcha." I went to Knoxville here (so to speak) instead of Nashville, because some of the online reports that I've looked at in this little game have been from Knoxville-based news and reporting venues, and because Nashville has been more closely associated with country music in my memory, than being the capital of Tennessee.
I'm glad to see that Nazareth looked in here. At least that one time.
So as I am waiting to see whether the big bronze head or bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest is removed from its current and prominent perch inside the Tennessee State Capitol Building, and relocated to the nearby Tennessee State Museum, I have this:
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"Robert E. Lee himself said in 1869, after the Civil War, 'Make no monuments to the Confederacy. It will only keep open the sores, the wounds of this thing.'"
That was filmmaker Ken Burns, talking about something that Robert E Lee is known to have said in 1869, as the president of what was, at that time, Washington University, which eventually was renamed to Washington & Lee University.
"Ken Burns says Confederate statues should come down: Civil War historian says the monuments are 'an attempt to rewrite history'" Tim Stickings for the Daily Mail; June 25, 2020. https://www.dailymail.co.uk...atues-come-down.html
I think moving the Nathan Bedford Forrest bronze from the state capitol building to the nearby state museum would be very much in line with this admonition from none other than Robert E Lee.
"Can you say it is not so?"
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Can you say it is not so?
Is this a line of dialogue from the Ed Wood movie "Plan 9 from Outer Space"..? That's my impression, but in the few moments that I've given for this, I haven't been able to confirm it.
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PENNOCKS PERPETUAL PURVEYOR OF PERJURY promotes YET ANOTHER LIE
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Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Robert E. Lee himself said in 1869, after the Civil War, 'Make no monuments to the Confederacy. It will only keep open the sores, the wounds of this thing."
"A frequent, (and false), argument against Confederate monuments is a “sound bite” of a quote from General Robert E. Lee in 1869 in some variation to “I think it wiser not to keep open the sores of war.” The time of the event and the Monument Movement is significant. Understanding this connection changes the meaning of the “sound bite” entirely."
He has no university degree and IS NOT A HISTORIAN.
He is not an authority on the US Civil War nor is he an authority or an academic on any of the other topics of which he has made entertainment films.
WE can see that YOU however are an "expert" at purveying falsehoods, lies, deceit, half-truths, ignorant speculation, unsupported conjecture, wild misinformation. and LEFTIST propaganda.
The vast preponderance of the excrement that you bescumber this forum with is completely lacking truth, fact, reality or any redeeming value whatsoever.
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The yearslong fight over removing a bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest could soon be coming to an end. The State Building Commission is scheduled to take up the matter on Thursday. If past voting patterns by the panel’s members hold, the monument could soon be headed for the Tennessee State Museum.
The Tennessee Lookout‘s Sam Stockard has taken a look at how it could play out:
The State Capitol Commission is set to request Thursday that the State Building Commission concur with its decision to relocate three busts, including one of Confederate Lt. Gen. Forrest, to the State Museum, moving them out of the State Capitol after years of upheaval.
To some degree, the decision pits Gov. Bill Lee against Lt. Gov. Randy McNally and House Speaker Cameron Sexton, who are likely to be outnumbered if they vote against the relocation. But it also could clear up a year-old legal question on the matter.
One State Building Commission member who hasn’t participated in the process, Comptroller Jason Mumpower, indicated he is likely to vote for relocation. Three other members of the Building Commission have voted already to move the busts as members of other commissions.
“Based on a motion authored by my predecessor, Comptroller Emeritus Justin P. Wilson, the State Capitol Commission and Tennessee Historical Commission have previously agreed that the historical significance of these busts can be better reflected through display at the State Museum,” Mumpower said in a statement.
Lee, who last year sought removal of the Forrest bust from the State Capitol, has scheduled a press conference for Thursday morning, shortly before the State Building Commission is to meet. Its topic has not been revealed.
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The latest coverage in the runup to what many across the nation becomes "Victory Over Nathan Bedford Forrest Day" continues online at the Tennessee Lookout: https://tennesseelookout.co...building-commission/
If you say so. 
