I'll wait for all the details to come out first. We always see these people portrayed as saints and scholars by the media, and then once more information comes out we find out they were just another ignorant thug who got what they had coming and the officer in actuality did society a favor by removing them from the gene pool. I expect this case to be no different.
The Police Department in Balch Springs, Tex., said Sunday that the officer, whose name has not been released, fired on a car carrying the teenager, Jordan Edwards, a freshman at Mesquite High School in Balch Springs, because the car was reversing down a street toward the officer in an “aggressive manner.”
But Jonathan Haber, the police chief, told reporters at a news conference on Monday afternoon that video showed the opposite. He said the officer fired when the car was “moving forward as the officers approached,” according to The Associated Press. The Dallas County medical examiner’s report ruled the death a homicide caused by a “rifle wound” to the head.
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I'll wait for all the details to come out first. We always see these people portrayed as saints and scholars by the media, and then once more information comes out we find out they were just another ignorant thug who got what they had coming and the officer in actuality did society a favor by removing them from the gene pool. I expect this case to be no different.
Yep, doing exactly that so far. Why was he running away. They always get shot when they try to get away. You would think theyd learn that at some point. Nope...cops are here run !
What I saw was he was at a party that got out of control and cops were called. The cops heard gunshots outside and went to look and saw the vehicle leaving. Ill assume they might have thought it was a shooter attempting to leave. You have seconds to react. Need more info that isnt biased from people like BLM. Moral is 15 year olds shouldnt go to drinking parties. If his parents had any control over him...wouldnt have happened.
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Yep, doing exactly that so far. Why was he running away. They always get shot when they try to get away. You would think theyd learn that at some point. Nope...cops are here run !
Maybe they ran away because they might suffer the fate of Kalief Browder, who was held for three years without a trial. Source
Or because when black teens are held, they are far more likely to be held without bail, regardless of the circumstances, completely ruining their lives. Source
Or maybe they run because their parents were tortured by police to a confession, by being sodomized with a nightstick. Source
Or its because police search them at unreasonable rates, despite finding less illegal things. Source
Maybe that is why Mass. High Courts said that black men have reason to run from the police. Source
Or, it is because 95% of inmates in America never see a trial. Due process? Please. Source
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What I saw was he was at a party that got out of control and cops were called. The cops heard gunshots outside and went to look and saw the vehicle leaving. Ill assume they might have thought it was a shooter attempting to leave. You have seconds to react. Need more info that isnt biased from people like BLM. Moral is 15 year olds shouldnt go to drinking parties. If his parents had any control over him...wouldnt have happened.
Please, high schoolers go to parties all the time. They host stuff and they drink, it happens all over the country constantly. I remember being 16 and going to a party, and in the three schools I have taught(one white middle class, one black middle class, and one black/Hispanic lower class) we have had a big party at least once a year. Teenagers rebel, thats what they do, no one deserves to get shot and killed for drinking.
Finally Roger, I would like to bring up one last point. In this thread, you consistently defended the armed men who were shot by police. You said, quote
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Originally posted by rogergarrison: The cops wanted someone dead to make a point.
Now, they were armed and you said that the shooting was unjustified. How does this shooting of an unarmed black teen all of a sudden become justified? They were not a threat, they were not armed, they were not pointing a weapon at an officer, why is it all of a sudden okay?
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I'll wait for all the details to come out first. We always see these people portrayed as saints and scholars by the media, and then once more information comes out we find out they were just another ignorant thug who got what they had coming and the officer in actuality did society a favor by removing them from the gene pool. I expect this case to be no different.
Ah, there it is, the character assassination. "He probably deserved it". Well, guess what, just like the majority of the time, he didn't. Quote from the article:
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Jordan was a straight-A student and a standout athlete, who was beloved by his schoolmates, Merritt said at a news conference Monday afternoon. The boy's parents, Charmaine and Odell Edwards, sat silently next to the attorney, occasionally wiping their eyes with tissues. They declined to talk about their son or the shooting. "We've heard excuses before in the past: You know why it happens, because the dads aren't present. That excuse isn't here," Merritt said. "Or the kid was violent. That excuse isn't present here."
At Mesquite High School, head football coach Jeff Fleener said he was "crushed and heartbroken" when he found out Jordan had been killed. He said Jordan was a good kid who never got into trouble and had a GPA over 3.5.
Regardless, lets take your analysis, lets pretend he was a thug who "deserved it". What was he doing which justified being shot?
Was the car an immediate threat to anyone?
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After reviewing body-cam footage, Police Chief Jonathan Haber reversed his initial account about Saturday's deadly confrontation, saying the teen behind the wheel Saturday night at first backed down the street but was fleeing the scene when the officer opened fire.
Nope, fleeing the scene.
Was he armed? Were there any weapons in the car? Not a single source has spoken of any weapons in the car, in fact, after the teen was shot they flagged another police cruiser down for help. Source Here
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They fled for about a block, Merritt said, before they noticed that there was smoke coming from Jordan’s head. The driver of the car, the boy’s older brother, stopped the car, and they flagged down an approaching police cruiser for help.
So tell me again why he deserved to be shot? Was it because he and his friends were running from gunshots?
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Latest is:
That information is old, both in my original article and the second one I linked here the police department had to retract that statement because it was a lie.
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He will go in depth with Roger or E.furgal, yet the hard questions he bypasses. He is a pussy. If he reads this and PMs me his address, I will send him a free pussy hat. He will never say his given name, nor will this pussy ever post a pic of himself. Internet anonymity makes him strong. A falsehood that he will never escape or be able to explain. It confuses him, angers him, and makes him uneasy. Those are "feelings". You cannot address feelings in a factual manner. It never works.
. Yet, more whites are killed by Police than blacks?
The links are disturbing. You are a teacher, and your life is consumed by falsehoods. You only post hate against whites, rarely answer questions, and feel that we are the deranged? With the supplied links, we see why.
I have asked if you would post happy things, yet you only post inflammatory rhetoric. Good luck with that life man.
Edit: I will go with the facts at the end of the case. It already does sound as if an Officer lied, but again, we have no facts.
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Originally posted by Threedog: Originally posted by maryjane:
Latest is:
That information is old, both in my original article and the second one I linked here the police department had to retract that statement because it was a lie.
Which is why I had underlined the police chief's words.
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[QUOTE]The Police Department in Balch Springs, Tex., said Sunday that the officer, whose name has not been released, fired on a car carrying the teenager, Jordan Edwards, a freshman at Mesquite High School in Balch Springs, because the car was reversing down a street toward the officer in an “aggressive manner.”
But Jonathan Haber, the police chief, told reporters at a news conference on Monday afternoon that video showed the opposite. He said the officer fired when the car was “moving forward as the officers approached,” according to The Associated Press. The Dallas County medical examiner’s report ruled the death a homicide caused by a “rifle wound” to the head.
("forward' meant away from the officers.)
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Learning is hard, so this is a picture of a moltov cocktail thrown at the Portland Oregon Police. Fellow humans are on fire due to the actions of your party. There is video clearly showing just who threw it. Once thrown, that is a felonious attempt at the lives of many Police Officers. Not an opsie.
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Edit: Kendrex White. Another fine outstanding murderer. A white genocide reenactor. Feel free to look him up. Fairly recent. Only a couple of days ago, yet the story is old.
Open your eyes...
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So many times people get stirred into a rage with just a toothpick as a spoon. People should be more realistic and informed before they let emotions get the best of them. But, one drawback of First World technology is instant gratification. This leads to unrealistic expectations of instant factual information.
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So many times people get stirred into a rage with just a toothpick as a spoon. People should be more realistic and informed before they let emotions get the best of them. But, one drawback of First World technology is instant gratification. This leads to unrealistic expectations of factual information.
I admit that that one looked bad from the get go. I am disappointed in the plebargaining. A slam dunk case does not need to make deals. So why the plebargaining?
Ah, there it is, the character assassination. "He probably deserved it". Well, guess what, just like the majority of the time, he didn't. Quote from the article:
The majority? Time and time again we see these thugs did deserve it. Just like Michael Brown, I'm sure you and the media will make this precious snowflake to be an angel. Give it some time though, and well see the inevitable pictures of him with his grill on, dropping gang signs, and pictures of him brandishing fire arms on social media. Once all the details come to light, however, it is often too late and an officers reputation is forever tarnished for only doing his job. I do love the effort the family went to thought to provide a photo to the media that makes him look like he is 12 years old though. Taking a play right out of Trayvon Martin's parents playbook. I wonder when they'll have their hoodies up for sale?
This is gonna be a fun post to write. That information is old, both in my original article and the second one I linked here the police department had to retract that statement because it was a lie.
Funny, you never show outrage when a white is shot and killed by a cop.. Why is that? Funny, you never show outrage when every week end many black on black shootings. Why is that ? Funny, You never show outrage at the lack of pride many don't have and litter the 'hood with trash. Why is that ? Funny, you never show outrage at the blacks having a lack of value of life , Why is that..? Why are you only interested in story lines that fit a race baiting hate..
Bet you're one of those that when you see something and asked about it, you don't know nutt'n, you didn't see nutt'n..
Sorry, your outrage is BULLSHITA.. true outrage is shown when a person (in this case) is shot by a cop that maybe shouldn't have been (I say maybe as we don't have ALL the facts yet) no matter the race of the cop or the victim..
I get sick every time I think of the hate you must be filling those kids you teach.. And for that , Karma will catch up with you..
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You will never find me at these rallys. No way, no how. But, should I ever encounter the extreme dangers that the left has shown, I shall do everything within my abilities to come out on top and alive for me and mine. Hence one of the many reasons that I conceal carry now. I will not willing fall victim to the likes of the left. Whether it be a riot, a drug induced robbery, or any other means of illegal activity mainly perpetrated by left leaning laziness. I am unapologetic towards your feelings.
Threedog, your bias is blindingly clear. Most of the time Police shootings have NOT been defended by "character assassination". The truth in most cases has been that the "victim" was of a shady criminal eliment, mostly proven to hate COPS and by their own choices got themselves in a confrontation with Police.
This is gonna be a fun post to write. That information is old, both in my original article and the second one I linked here the police department had to retract that statement because it was a lie.
Simplest answer is dont run away. How did the cops not know if whoever was in the truck was a shooter ? Its suspicious behavior at least. Wouldnt it have been better to have been questioned, even held...and let go when you were cleared. It would beat being dead.
"To me its not plausible that he got out of his truck with both hands in the air to surrender.....then would reach for a gun, even if it was on the wrong side of where he normally carried it. Dont wash with me at all. The cops wanted someone dead to make a point. If they were going to have a 'gunfight at the OK corral', why didnt the others in the truck also come out guns drawn ?"
yes the above statement was in DEFENSE of the people in the vehicle if you read it correctly, and AGAINST the cops. Your quote of me was incomplete and was out of context.
'Just because all' teens go to drinking parties does not make it good. I NEVER went to one, or any of the people I hung out with in school did either. Lots of people do heroin...I dont, and its still illegal. He ran because he didnt want to get caught drinking, or maybe even at the party. White kids get in the same trouble, but you rarely ever hear anything about them chased or shot...because it doesnt fit blacks (like BLMs) agenda. They want 'special treatment' just because they are black so its ALWAYS shoveled out thru media. They also like to ignore the fact many more blacks are killed by other blacks than by police...or even whites. Rarely hear about a black cop shooting a black either...they dont want anyone to hear that because its not racist.
I have been on the wrong side of a police encounter and I have "white privilege".
You didn't answer my question.
Cliff, I didn't respond because I didn't want this thread to turn into a debate about Brown, that has been had. I understand it may not have been your intention, but if I responded to it then that is all we would be talking about.
As to people saying I don't "stick around". Its because the points I bring up are never addressed. Not a single person has even commented on what I said with any kind of evidence or "truth". All this thread is doing is calling me names, creating a strawman argument, or talking about completely different topics..
There are good reasons why black/brown boys run from police, I gave good evidence as to why they shouldn't just sit there and get arrested, why that is completely impractical when the justice system works so actively against them.
If you want someone to actually respond, maybe bring up a point, back it up with evidence, or dispute my evidence, instead of shouting and calling me names.
I was arrested on a false charge that I did not commit. I didnt run away. I answered questions truthfully. I went to court. I didnt get chased or shot because I did exactly what I was told to do. I paid a few hundred dollars and thats the end. It had absolutely nothing to do with being white privileged.
Originally posted by Threedog: Cliff, I didn't respond because I didn't want this thread to turn into a debate about Brown, that has been had. I understand it may not have been your intention, but if I responded to it then that is all we would be talking about.
As to people saying I don't "stick around". Its because the points I bring up are never addressed. Not a single person has even commented on what I said with any kind of evidence or "truth". All this thread is doing is calling me names, creating a strawman argument, or talking about completely different topics..
There are good reasons why black/brown boys run from police, I gave good evidence as to why they shouldn't just sit there and get arrested, why that is completely impractical when the justice system works so actively against them.
If you want someone to actually respond, maybe bring up a point, back it up with evidence, or dispute my evidence, instead of shouting and calling me names.
I have not shut down or called you names, and yet you still did not respond to or me or those that have made like comments. I stated fact and you ignored it. And as has been already said, teaching people ( adults or minors ) to run from, fear, ignore, disregard or disrespect authority is completely derelict and morally depraved. In a society, we need to have order in order for all to be free. Anarchy is NOT freedom and chaos is not a part of a fair system. It is a fact that the Justice system is not targeting black people, it is a fact that racists target people. It is also a fact that black racist people target white people too. No race is exempt or immune from the poison of hate. You have taken "examples" of "injustices" and pointed a hypocritical crooked finger of blame at an innocent victim,..... the system itself. The accused system is the very same system YOU want to prosecute "dirty COPS".
Bodycam Footage Of Officer Diving Into Pond To Save Child
Topeka KS - The Topeka Police Dept. released bodycam footage from the officer who jumped into a pond Monday to save an autistic 4-year-old child. The video starts with Officer Aaron Bulmer searching for some people who involved in a fight in the area around SW 16th Street around 11:30 Sunday morning. He spots the child next to the Central Park Community Center pond. As he gets out of his cruiser to talk to him, the kid slips in. Bulmer doesn't hesitate. He races over, jumps in, and pulls the child back to solid ground.
If you want someone to actually respond, maybe bring up a point, back it up with evidence, or dispute my evidence, instead of shouting and calling me names.
BTW, you have yet to provide evidence that supports your claim of a system that targets black people. So, I believe that you are as guilty of anyone here of not posting facts, at least not facts that support your claims.
Originally posted by Threedog: Cliff, I didn't respond because I didn't want this thread to turn into a debate about Brown, ...
All well and good. I appreciate the response. Look, you posted a thread about it happening again. There is no police genocide agenda on blacks, by cops. There have been black cops who shot black suspects, which the left holds up that police are bad.
Mistakes happen. I am glad I don't wear a badge. One time, I left a valve open. I spilled about a hundred [42 gallon] barrels of oil based mud. Costly and polluting.
It does appear that a mistake happened here. Not evil intentions, though we still do not know what the video footage shows (they would not release it).
I owned up to my mistake. Somehow I got to keep my job.
Originally posted by Threedog: Cliff, I didn't respond because I didn't want this thread to turn into a debate about Brown, that has been had. I understand it may not have been your intention, but if I responded to it then that is all we would be talking about.
As to people saying I don't "stick around". Its because the points I bring up are never addressed. Not a single person has even commented on what I said with any kind of evidence or "truth". All this thread is doing is calling me names, creating a strawman argument, or talking about completely different topics..
There are good reasons why black/brown boys run from police, I gave good evidence as to why they shouldn't just sit there and get arrested, why that is completely impractical when the justice system works so actively against them.
If you want someone to actually respond, maybe bring up a point, back it up with evidence, or dispute my evidence, instead of shouting and calling me names.
Pure b/s.. you just don't like the facts and the push back.. no one called you names, offended much?
You cherry pick stories to foster your race baiting hate.. Again, read my post above this one.. I left a list of facts that you and much of the blacks don't address, Those that do, we get called not black enough..
I think YOU need to go for a ride along on a week end . Friday/sat and sunday nights 8pm to 6am shifts.. in the dirty inner cities, then you might understand why cops in these hell holes are so uptight.. You clearly have ZERO clue of the Animals they have to deal with daily, because You and others like you, Don't protest the crap they do, the crime they do, the killings they do, the gang **** .. But by god if a cop that has to pick up the pieces daily, now has the mindset, "be quick or be dead."
I think, cops in your shithole of a city and most cities should clock in, and do nothing, let them go buck wild on your **** .. Then when you call for help, it won't ever come.
BTW, you have yet to provide evidence that supports your claim of a system that targets black people. So, I believe that you are as guilty of anyone here of not posting facts, at least not facts that support your claims.
What you are asking ThreeDog to do is something even the highest investigative agency is the country has had difficulty proving one way or another due to push back from local and state policing departments.
Generally speaking, do police departments collect data from which that information would be obtainable? Do they readily and willingly release that data to the public domain?
I ask, because it seems I remember reading a DoJ/congressional report last year that said the FBI was having a lot of difficulty obtaining that kind of data from local police departments, and in some cases they were investigating at DoJ's request, was having to issue subpoenas or court orders to obtain it--if it even existed.
I have read documents that showed that minorities are pulled over more often than whites, and that non-minorities are more likely to be given a warning or nothing at all more often than minorities, which led to a disproportionate % of minorities having to appear in court more so than non-minorities.
An honest and direct question: Of the following 3 people, which do honestly think is more likely to get pulled over for simply rolling thru a stop sign? You. Me, a 66 year old white man in a plain white pickup truck. A young black man, 17-25 years of age. no other infractions or discrepancies--just the 'failure to stop' infraction. An honest answer please--
Whether it is an official policy within a department or just a common trend within the force's officers or not is irrelevant. The results are the same. Any group, whether govt or private sector tries to protect itself with denial. We saw this with the banking sector and it's practice of creating accounts without the account owner even knowing about it. (Wells Fargo) WF denied it but the data eventually came out and thy got in big trouble over it, but it had been going on in the banking industry for years. The federal intelligence community and high office holders publicly and vehemently denied they were collecting data on private US citizens right up until the Snowden papers showed they were lying. The military does the same thing. "What happens within the unit stays within the unit" until someone blows the whistle. Plausible deniability.
Profiling can and does take place within any demographic--race and skin color is not always the determining factor. When it does take place, the data would suggest that the target demographic is committing a higher % of infractions than another demographic.
The problem with all this "data" is they always leave part of the formula math, on the table.
This area the people the police pull over 72% are blacks, 10% latino and 18% white..
But they leave out that the people living in the area are 75% black and 13%latino , 12%white.. As that show that they are not targeting any "group" or "race"
The problem with all this "data" is they always leave part of the formula math, on the table.
This area the people the police pull over 72% are blacks, 10% latino and 18% white..
But they leave out that the people living in the area are 75% black and 13%latino , 12%white.. As that show that they are not targeting any "group" or "race"
It has happened again. A black man used a very large knife to kill one UT student and seriously injure three others. The attacker targeted whites purposefully.
I just do not even know what to say anymore? Percentages and numbers do not lie. We have a problem. Falsehoods preached are fogging up the truth. I know that you read this, you cannot not read what others post after you decide to race bait us. You better wake up son. Not much is being done for the positive by your thought process. I will ask you this one question, one which you will never answer... What do I owe you due to my being born white? Just give me a number, an explanation as to why, and I will accommodate accordingly. I have no issues if proven. None at all. But **** be to you to blast me for that which you are to gawd damned lazy to learn. I have posted NUMEROUS truths about racism, yet you easily forget this. Sorry, but you really need to grow up and callus up those soft paws of yours.
What you are asking ThreeDog to do is something even the highest investigative agency is the country has had difficulty proving one way or another .......
Simply put Don, the system is not racist. That is why "data" does not exist to "prove" otherwise. People are the flaw in the system. People are capable of racism and discrimination. The system is not.
Simply put Don, the system is not racist. That is why "data" does not exist to "prove" otherwise. People are the flaw in the system. People are capable of racism and discrimination. The system is not.
"The System," if you will, is simply a collection of laws and people, and the laws are made up by more people, often with advisement from the police who enforce them.
If the people who make up the system, and who write the laws, are racist, then yes, "the system" will inevitably also be rife with such prejudices. In fact, Nixon's own domestic policy advisor stated that the "war on drugs" and classification of marijuana as a Schedule I Narcotic, was driven by racism, to target blacks and liberals.
Combined with the opening of prisons to privatization, we have built ourselves a punitive system designed to enslave people of color. The "data" you are so desperately asking for to be presented, is not going to help sway your opinion one way or the other, because so many white people simply get let off with warnings, while people of color end up with continually disproportionate sentences to prison, or worse, just getting shot.
Whether you want to believe that there is a significant amount of bigotry in the system or not, is frankly irrelevant. In no case should it ever be even remotely acceptable for a police officer to kill someone who is simply running away. One should call for backup, and cautiously pursue. Only when there is clear and present danger should the officer choose to discharge a firearm. It doesn't matter what the person's skin color or history is.
Simply put Don, the system is not racist. That is why "data" does not exist to "prove" otherwise. People are the flaw in the system. People are capable of racism and discrimination. The system is not.
No, just as our society as a whole, by 'law' is not racist. Congressional legislation and SCOTUS scrutiny had made discrimination illegal-by 'law' but that has not been the fix-all it was intended to be.
I do notice this question went unanswered. An honest and direct question: Of the following 3 people, which do honestly think is more likely to get pulled over for simply rolling thru a stop sign? You. Me, a 66 year old white man in a plain white pickup truck. A young black man, 17-25 years of age. No other infractions or discrepancies--just the 'failure to (come to a full) stop' infraction. An honest answer please--
Not knowing your ethnicity Rick, I can only comment in regards to myself contrasted with the young black man. The young man is much more likely to get the ticket or even be pulled over for it than I am, and that is currently the way it is here, and has been my observation over a very long period of time and in a variety of different states and cities across the nation, regardless of 'what part of town" I was in or who lived in the neighborhood. Law is supposed to be blind to age and color--justice, even more so.
You only post hate against whites, rarely answer questions, and feel that we are the deranged? With the supplied links, we see why. 
