Below is the the main story that the link points to. Also open the link and to the right will be associated stories relating to the Consent Decree. I haven't read all the stories yet but this seems to be pretty big news relating to the CPD's thuggish tactics. One entertaining article is that the police pinky swear that they will stop bashiing people over the head with their guns..
CLEVELAND, Ohio – Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson's settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice will make way for a substantial – and substantive – overhaul of a use-of-force policy that top police brass once bragged was a model for the country.
Officers will be held to higher standards on unholstering and firing their weapons and no longer will be allowed to use their guns to strike suspects as they would with a baton.
They will be required to take immediate steps to provide or secure first aid for suspects they injure, addressing an issue raised in many lawsuits that cost the city money.
And retaliatory force – such as tussling with a suspect at the end of a chase – will be explicitly prohibited under terms of the so-called consent decree announced Tuesday.
The 105-page document calls for dozens of rewrites to the Division of Police rulebook on force, many of them tactical and aimed at preventing the kinds of cases that have become front-page fodder in recent years. The agreement also demands levels of accountability and transparency that did not exist or were not endorsed or enforced previously.
(You can read the full document at the end of this post.)
In 2011, for example, Plain Dealer Publishing Co. found that then-Police Chief Michael McGrath often signed off on use-of-force investigations without questioning irregularities or discrepancies. McGrath, whom Jackson since promoted to public safety director, defended the city's force policy at the time as one of the nation's best.
The Justice Department, which reviewed Cleveland's police practices at Jackson's invitation, acknowledges that the city "recently has made important changes to some of its force policies." It will be on Jackson, McGrath and Chief Calvin Williams to adopt the reforms spelled out in Tuesday's deal. And these reforms will cut much deeper.
The tactical changes
From the tighter rules involving guns to the ban on retaliatory force, so many of the new rules will emphasize "de-escalation techniques." Officers will be told to give suspects a chance to surrender and to use verbal warnings before applying force.
Police also will "provide emergency first aid until professional medical care providers are on scene." There has been a demand to explicitly require such a protocol, particularly since the officer-involved shooting death last November of 12-year-old Tamir Rice. Two officers, including the one who shot Tamir, made no attempt to offer first aid. Tamir's family questions if he would be alive today had he received immediate care.
Officers also will not be permitted to fire their guns at a moving vehicle "unless use of lethal force is justified by something other than the threat from the moving vehicle."
The issue of moving cars as a threat was key in the defense of officer Michael Brelo, who was acquitted Saturday on voluntary manslaughter charges. Brelo was among more than 100 officers involved in a 2012 car chase and one of 13 who fired a total of 137 bullets at a 1979 Chevrolet Malibu. The shooting ended with the deaths of the driver, Timothy Russell, and his passenger, Malissa Williams. No gun was recovered from the car.
Aside from guns, the consent decree calls for refined policies governing the use of Tasers and pepper spray and for a ban on neck holds as a method of subduing a suspect.
The changes to promote transparency
Use of force is only half the equation.
The other half comes in how that force is chronicled by the officer who uses it. Cleveland officers tend to be awfully sparse with the details they provide. Beyond that, their supervisors hardly ever demand fuller narratives. When they attempt to, they often find unhelpful or uncooperative witnesses in the form of other police officers.
The consent decree aims to change this ingrained part of police culture.
Notably, the new policy "will explicitly prohibit the use of ... 'boilerplate' or 'canned' language. (Clichés such as "furtive movement" or "fighting stance" are singled out in ignominy.) And supervisors will have more teeth when investigating, as those who "use or observe force and fail to report it will be subject to the disciplinary process, up to and including termination, regardless of whether the force was reasonable."
In the past, officers had a broad menu of options to justify which of five levels of force they applied. The lowest levels include tactics as physical as tripping; the highest encompass deadly force. In between are responses such as punching, kicking and "takedowns," as well as the use of Tasers, pepper spray and batons.
Within a year, Cleveland's Division of Police must implement a "single, uniform reporting system" that classifies force more clearly in three levels.
Level 1 will cover force that causes only fleeting pain or disorientation. Level 2 will cover most uses that cause or have the potential to cause injury, including Taser shocks, closed-fist punches and leg sweeps. Level 3 will include all lethal force and any response that leads to death, "serious physical injury," loss of consciousness or hospitalization.
The changes to promote accountability
Investigating the use of force will in itself become a more robust process.
Supervisors all the way up the chain of command will be required to order additional queries if information from the use-of-force reports doesn't square. And Internal Affairs will house FIT, a new force investigation team to investigate all Level 3 cases and any use-of-force case where an officer faces accusations of criminal misconduct.
Also new: a Force Review Board that will review all FIT cases, all Level 2 cases where misconduct was found and a sample of other Level 2 cases. The police chief or a designee will chair the board, which will include a training supervisor, an Office of Professional Standards representative, an Internal Affairs representative and a representative from the police district where the incident occurred.
Perhaps the most comprehensive attempt to improve accountability will come through a database that will track officer performance, including all uses of force. The computerized program will run through the city's Officer Intervention Program.
The city, according to terms of the consent decree, "will set threshold levels for each OIP indicator that will trigger a formal review, and the thresholds will allow for peer-ground comparisons between officers with similar assignments and duties."
Perhaps the most comprehensive attempt to improve accountability will come through a database that will track officer performance, including all uses of force. The computerized program will run through the city's Officer Intervention Program
so ,remember there is no "quota" now white cops will have to remember to pull over or cuff and stuff 2 whites to every black.. just so they don't get in the hot seat, even when 90% of crime in Cleveland is caused by blacks.. they might as well sit in their cruisers and see no evil, hear no evil and let it go down the shitter
Beating the perp at the end of a chase because he ran is a bad reason to do so.
Beating the perp in to submission at the end of a chase because he put up a fight when caught is perfectly acceptable, imho.
Pistol whipping is unnecessary, though.
With the amount of crap cops have to put up with that they shouldn't have to (like having to chase someone down who should have just surrendered), it's no wonder they might be inclined to "teach them a lesson" after. I don't think I'd have the temperament required to not take out my frustrations on someone in said situation. Cops are supposed to be the type of people who can, but everyone gets fed up eventually...
so ,remember there is no "quota" now white cops will have to remember to pull over or cuff and stuff 2 whites to every black.. just so they don't get in the hot seat, even when 90% of crime in Cleveland is caused by blacks.. they might as well sit in their cruisers and see no evil, hear no evil and let it go down the shitter
That's not what DoJ is saying, but I suspect many will think that. DoJ just wants equal application of the law and it's enforcement--let the chips fall after that. It all depends on who and why those 'who' are stopped, in relation to whom is not stopped and why they are not stopped. Bear with me while I set it up..
Bear with me, while I tell a true story that has in basics, been repeated around the country for many many decades. I was stationed at Naval Air Technical Train Center Millington Tenn twice while I was on active duty late 60s and again in 1971-1973. The first time, (1969) like all enlisted aviation tracking Sailors and Marines, was for school, which consisted of about 60-180 days of aviation training school--length depending which occupation specialty schools you were attending. Nearest 2 liberty towns were Millington, right outside the gate, and Memphis, a 30 minute bus ride away. Those who stayed in Millington walked into town--those going to Memphis took a shuttle bus--one left about every 30 minutes and they ran 24-7 on weekends. Very very few students had cars--in those days, you had to be e-3 or above and permanently based at NATTC to have a car on base. I don't remember the #s, but I believe it would be a fair estimate that any given month, there were 8000 18-20 yr olds, fresh out of boot camp at NATTC. On any given weekend, there would be about 6000-7000 student military in downtown Memphis doing what young military does, drinking and carousing. Even tho out of boot camp, high and tight haircuts were still required, dress codes in full effect--either dress uniform or very conservative civilian clothing--no shorts, no tee shirts, dress pants--no jeans. They stuck out like a sore thumb, instantly recognizable from 1/4 mile away. The downtown bus station disgorged these students beginning Friday night, then swallowed them back up as they staggered in on Sunday afternoon and Sunday night before liberty expired at Midnight. They spent a huge amount of money every weekend downtown Memphis, and a similar amount in Millington if they stayed close to base. I was part of that bi-weekly rite of passage as an e-1 Marine. Of course, many got drunk, many got in fights, many were drunk in public as they returned to the bus station. Many got arrested or ticketed for one offense or another--almost always misdemeanors, almost all carried a penalty of a hefty fine. Both Memphis and Millington were making a killing off the paychecks in 2 ways--money spent in the economy on liberty and revenue collected in fines. The base CO tended to let it continue, knowing this was the first time most of these guys had been away from home, and knew most would leave NATTC and find themselves headed for a fleet squadron on Yankee Station or in the case of Marines, straight from NATTC into Vietnam itself.
I returned to NATTC in 1971 as an instructor and as an E5 sgt for the rest of my enlistment in the Marine Corps (ending Feb '73), . One of my few collatoral duties to teaching, was standing Shore Patrol duty downtown once or twice per month. Nothing had changed as far as the students went--same big crowds, same instant recognition, same offenses--same cash cow regarding revenue to the 2 municipalities. About 8 months after I re-arrived in Millington, we got a new Commanding Officer. This coincided with the drawdown of troops in Vietnam, but the air war from Yankee Station was still in full swing. The new CO, like the COs before him, got a weekly report on discipline problems along with the arrest reports (Memphis and Millington PDs sent the base a report on every single ticket and offense cited). Also got a new Shore Patrol officer. The new CO met with Memphis council for a luncheon every other month--a PR thing. The new SP officer was a warrant officer--an former enlisted man that got his commission thru performance not thru the Naval Academy. He didn't like what he saw, poked around and found out the Memphis and Millington PD were targeting military students in the downtown areas almost exclusively on weekends. Why? Low hanging fruit, instantly recognizable, that had no power in any election since they weren't there long enough to establish residency and the city was guaranteed to get it's revenue since the base commander would see to it, even if it meant having the disbursing officer withholding th fine out of the offender's paychech and sending it right to the city coffers. SP officer verified this thru conversations with former military that had gotten out and went to work as LEO in Memphis and Millington. They would mostly turn a blind eye to any civilian and concentrate on the students. When the students got out of the cabs at the bus station, or walked back down Millington sidewalks and staggered a bit, they pounced on them. Cash cow--milked. They ignored any offense of the same nature and level comitted by civilians. Civilians were just too much trouble, and they had clout that the young enlisted guys didn't have. If you looked in the weekly police report, it looked for all the world, as if the young military folks were committing a very high % of the crimes, tho they were a very small % of the population in Memphis downtown area. SP officer took his now confirmed suspicions to the new base CO, and the CO took it to the city council, and the council laughed him off. They didn't laugh long. CO put Memphis downtown "off limits" to all military except Shore Patrol. In a month, the business owners--cab drivers, motel operators, movie theaters, clubs and bars were screaming that the base had pulled a huge chunk of the economy out of downtown and the city council asked for a meeting with the CO and SP officer and "righted the ship".
I see the same thing in my nearest town, but color oriented. I could creep trhu a stop sign without anyone giving me a glance, but let a Hispanic or Black do it, and he's gonna get pulled over for it--guaranteed. I can speed on US 59 and likely as not, never get stopped, but I'm caucasion--I wouldn't advise it if you aren't, aand it's easy to tell, cause my old white skin sticks out like a sore thumb.
Down around the ship channel towns, they've found a new cash cow--contractors like pipefitters and welders--every one has a temporary parking sticker on their vehicle to get them in the refineries that are in expansion work. They stick out too. Out of state lic plates and those parking stickers. The good old boys can get drunk in their hangouts after work and you'll never see a police car cruise by, but the contractor bars see lots of patrol cars go back and forth, and follow the patrons as they make their way back to the RV parks and pay-by-the-week cheap motels.
It hasn't been that many years ago, that it seemed like all the crime here in my county was committed by longhairs with a certain rock radio station bumper sticker. Why? Because that's who the county deputies concentrated on, letting the 'good old boys' go right on by.
You can make any demographic look like they commit more crime, if that's the demographic you concentrate your efforts on, especially if (to a great degree) it's to the exclusion of anyone else, and that's been going on in this country for many decades. "Driving while (fill in the blank--race-occupation-color age,)" happens, and it happens a LOT.
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All they have to do is keep saying "Stop resisting!"
And you're still a threat, even when you're handcuffed in a holding cell.
The problem with videos like that is.. like the say'n the whole truth,nothing but the truth.................. they tend to only show part of the whole encounter.. I'm not a cop.. and I have my issues with the way things are done.. but I also think they are sick of a panty waste judge slapping them on the wrist.. so they might just make it hurt when they break the law again.. and again and again... I noticed none of those that get beat downs have clean records, or even small ones.. Yes some cops over do it.. and why I think the body camera's are the best thing.. this way.. instead of video from "you tube" that people whipped out their phone after all hell breaks loose.. we'll get the whole encounter..
Defendents are charged with the applicable specific crime--not with what their past records show. If a policeman decides to "make it hurt" because of something a judge or jury did, he just crossed to line into the area of being a criminal himself. Law Enforcement enforces laws--they are not allowed, by any stretch of the imagination, allowed or empowered to decide guilt or mete out punishment for infractions.
Originally posted by maryjane: That's not what DoJ is saying, but I suspect many will think that. DoJ just wants equal application of the law and it's enforcement--let the chips fall after that. It all depends on who and why those 'who' are stopped, in relation to whom is not stopped and why they are not stopped. Bear with me while I set it up.. sorry let me cough under my breath bullshit
Bear with me, while I tell a true story that has in basics, been repeated around the country for many many decades. I was stationed at Naval Air Technical Train Center Millington Tenn twice while I was on active duty late 60s and again in 1971-1973. The first time, (1969) like all enlisted aviation tracking Sailors and Marines, was for school, which consisted of about 60-180 days of aviation training school--length depending which occupation specialty schools you were attending. Nearest 2 liberty towns were Millington, right outside the gate, and Memphis, a 30 minute bus ride away. Those who stayed in Millington walked into town--those going to Memphis took a shuttle bus--one left about every 30 minutes and they ran 24-7 on weekends. Very very few students had cars--in those days, you had to be e-3 or above and permanently based at NATTC to have a car on base. I don't remember the #s, but I believe it would be a fair estimate that any given month, there were 8000 18-20 yr olds, fresh out of boot camp at NATTC. On any given weekend, there would be about 6000-7000 student military in downtown Memphis doing what young military does, drinking and carousing. Even tho out of boot camp, high and tight haircuts were still required, dress codes in full effect--either dress uniform or very conservative civilian clothing--no shorts, no tee shirts, dress pants--no jeans. They stuck out like a sore thumb, instantly recognizable from 1/4 mile away. The downtown bus station disgorged these students beginning Friday night, then swallowed them back up as they staggered in on Sunday afternoon and Sunday night before liberty expired at Midnight. They spent a huge amount of money every weekend downtown Memphis, and a similar amount in Millington if they stayed close to base. I was part of that bi-weekly rite of passage as an e-1 Marine. Of course, many got drunk, many got in fights, many were drunk in public as they returned to the bus station. Many got arrested or ticketed for one offense or another--almost always misdemeanors, almost all carried a penalty of a hefty fine. Both Memphis and Millington were making a killing off the paychecks in 2 ways--money spent in the economy on liberty and revenue collected in fines. The base CO tended to let it continue, knowing this was the first time most of these guys had been away from home, and knew most would leave NATTC and find themselves headed for a fleet squadron on Yankee Station or in the case of Marines, straight from NATTC into Vietnam itself.
I returned to NATTC in 1971 as an instructor and as an E5 sgt for the rest of my enlistment in the Marine Corps (ending Feb '73), . One of my few collatoral duties to teaching, was standing Shore Patrol duty downtown once or twice per month. Nothing had changed as far as the students went--same big crowds, same instant recognition, same offenses--same cash cow regarding revenue to the 2 municipalities. About 8 months after I re-arrived in Millington, we got a new Commanding Officer. This coincided with the drawdown of troops in Vietnam, but the air war from Yankee Station was still in full swing. The new CO, like the COs before him, got a weekly report on discipline problems along with the arrest reports (Memphis and Millington PDs sent the base a report on every single ticket and offense cited). Also got a new Shore Patrol officer. The new CO met with Memphis council for a luncheon every other month--a PR thing. The new SP officer was a warrant officer--an former enlisted man that got his commission thru performance not thru the Naval Academy. He didn't like what he saw, poked around and found out the Memphis and Millington PD were targeting military students in the downtown areas almost exclusively on weekends. Why? Low hanging fruit, instantly recognizable, that had no power in any election since they weren't there long enough to establish residency and the city was guaranteed to get it's revenue since the base commander would see to it, even if it meant having the disbursing officer withholding th fine out of the offender's paychech and sending it right to the city coffers. SP officer verified this thru conversations with former military that had gotten out and went to work as LEO in Memphis and Millington. They would mostly turn a blind eye to any civilian and concentrate on the students. When the students got out of the cabs at the bus station, or walked back down Millington sidewalks and staggered a bit, they pounced on them. Cash cow--milked. They ignored any offense of the same nature and level comitted by civilians. Civilians were just too much trouble, and they had clout that the young enlisted guys didn't have. If you looked in the weekly police report, it looked for all the world, as if the young military folks were committing a very high % of the crimes, tho they were a very small % of the population in Memphis downtown area. SP officer took his now confirmed suspicions to the new base CO, and the CO took it to the city council, and the council laughed him off. They didn't laugh long. CO put Memphis downtown "off limits" to all military except Shore Patrol. In a month, the business owners--cab drivers, motel operators, movie theaters, clubs and bars were screaming that the base had pulled a huge chunk of the economy out of downtown and the city council asked for a meeting with the CO and SP officer and "righted the ship".
I see the same thing in my nearest town, but color oriented. I could creep trhu a stop sign without anyone giving me a glance, but let a Hispanic or Black do it, and he's gonna get pulled over for it--guaranteed. I can speed on US 59 and likely as not, never get stopped, but I'm caucasion--I wouldn't advise it if you aren't, aand it's easy to tell, cause my old white skin sticks out like a sore thumb.
Down around the ship channel towns, they've found a new cash cow--contractors like pipefitters and welders--every one has a temporary parking sticker on their vehicle to get them in the refineries that are in expansion work. They stick out too. Out of state lic plates and those parking stickers. The good old boys can get drunk in their hangouts after work and you'll never see a police car cruise by, but the contractor bars see lots of patrol cars go back and forth, and follow the patrons as they make their way back to the RV parks and pay-by-the-week cheap motels.
It hasn't been that many years ago, that it seemed like all the crime here in my county was committed by longhairs with a certain rock radio station bumper sticker. Why? Because that's who the county deputies concentrated on, letting the 'good old boys' go right on by.
You can make any demographic look like they commit more crime, if that's the demographic you concentrate your efforts on, especially if (to a great degree) it's to the exclusion of anyone else, and that's been going on in this country for many decades. "Driving while (fill in the blank--race-occupation-color age,)" happens, and it happens a LOT.
I was a teen in a rown that is and was 50/50 just as many minorities if not more than whites.. I got pulled over as much as any other teen with a car.. and have the stupid tickets to proof it.. Failure to get an inspection sticker while on the way to the inspection station. hell they wrote the ticket in the inspection stations lot.. improper view of plate, the tags at the time reflective white with green numbers and a green trim line around the edge.. That every buick and linc. catty/etc covered when slide in place on the car.. but I covered the very bottom of that line when I bolted the vanity plate to the bottom of the state tag and the bolt washers covered maybe 1" of the green trim line.. not the numbers of the tag.. -bought my 85 t/a and that night was on side of road as they pulled the whole interior out of it.. car got rearended but an olderman that lost his brakes.. ok fine, cops write it up. and as I leave, I get pulled over for not using a turn signal.. you know the ones just smashed by the older man rear ending it.. sure the judge tossed most of them.. but I'm willing to bet,, I got pulled over that much because of teen with hot car... funny the kids today cry'n that the cops hunt blacks, are driving todays hot cars.. civic's etc that are the imports of choice.... it's not the 70's anymore... people need to stop with bring that crap back up.. if most in the area are minority's , take a guess on what will be the most pulled over..?? Let me ask this.. why is it that minoritys only claim to be cuffed and stuffed for being black, when a white officer is the one that pulled them over. but those pulled over by the officers that are also minoritys. the same clowns don't claim "Driving while fill in the blank--race-occupation-color age, odd very odd.. these places are not filled with only white cops.. hell the last riot, 3 out of the 6 where black,, the big man in N.Y. that was twice the size of the officers, that were ORDERED by the female black sargent to detain him.. when caught yet again selling untaxed smokes... funny the media never let that part out of the narrative. that the officers where ordered by a FEMALE COLORED SARG.
Defendents are charged with the applicable specific crime--not with what their past records show. If a policeman decides to "make it hurt" because of something a judge or jury did, he just crossed to line into the area of being a criminal himself. Law Enforcement enforces laws--they are not allowed, by any stretch of the imagination, allowed or empowered to decide guilt or mete out punishment for infractions.
Again I'm not a cop. and only guessing,, and I still think we don't see the whole encounter from these you tube vid's to know if the one getting a beat down.. hit a cop.. shot at a cop or anyone else.. Cops do the same crap to whites.. but 90% of the time they don't act like they did nothing .. they know full well why 5 of the cops jumped him/her.. and don't act like, yo man I didn't do nothing
FACE it, the only thing the DOJ has done in the last 4 years is tell cops.. if you are white stick to pulling over whites.. if you stop a crime and the perp is a minority, we will call you racist.. and destroy you.. only thing they have done is make the streets even more unsafe, as most that have a family to feed are going to say, f-it.. and just put in their time.. and look the other way.. and it's already started.. and these areas with high crime are going to explode .. and the areas that had some crime, but a bunch of minority's but a good amount of white cops. are going to start to have problems as the DOJ has through their actions told the thugs, they can't stop you if not the same race,, so go cause caos
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Nor do we hear the full report of an internal investigation, unless ordered by a judge. Nor, do we hear the full details when one 1/2 of the equation is deceased--dead men tell no tales. All this crap has been going on for over 100 years, and the only reason we see so much of it now is because of video, and the only reason for all the backlash against those who have had to endure it all this time, is because Caucasians are getting ever closer to being a minority. Whitey is beginning to get scared.
Again I'm not a cop. and only guessing,, and I still think we don't see the whole encounter from these you tube vid's to know if the one getting a beat down.. hit a cop.. shot at a cop or anyone else.. Cops do the same crap to whites.. but 90% of the time they don't act like they did nothing .. they know full well why 5 of the cops jumped him/her.. and don't act like, yo man I didn't do nothing
FACE it, the only thing the DOJ has done in the last 4 years is tell cops.. if you are white stick to pulling over whites.. if you stop a crime and the perp is a minority, we will call you racist.. and destroy you.. only thing they have done is make the streets even more unsafe, as most that have a family to feed are going to say, f-it.. and just put in their time.. and look the other way.. and it's already started.. and these areas with high crime are going to explode .. and the areas that had some crime, but a bunch of minority's but a good amount of white cops. are going to start to have problems as the DOJ has through their actions told the thugs, they can't stop you if not the same race,, so go cause caos
That's not at all how I read the agreement between Cleveland and DoJ.
1. Cleveland has agreed to document every time officers so much as unholster their guns. Police supervisors will investigate the uses of force in much the same way that officers investigate crimes. 2. The new rules in Cleveland prohibit officers from using force against people for talking back or as punishment for running away. 3. Pistol whipping is prohibited, and so is firing warning shots, the agreement says. 4. The city has agreed to allow an independent monitor to track its progress. If the city does not put into effect the changes specified in the settlement, a federal judge has the authority to demand them. 5. Cleveland also agreed to hire a civilian to lead its internal affairs unit and to appoint an inspector general to investigate police misconduct and analyze policies and trends. 6. The city will also form a civilian advisory panel to review policies and advocate better community relations. 7. The report calls for the department to establish a coordinator for data collection not only on use of force but also for searches and seizures, and allows the independent monitor and the Justice Department to review and approve the “stop and search” data collection system. 8.Some use-of-force data will be collected digitally. Stun guns, for instance, leave a digital record when they are used, and the settlement calls for periodic checks to ensure that a weapon’s data matches reports filed by officers. The document calls for investigations when an officer’s account and the stun gun’s internal record do not match. In other cases, officers will be required to self-report use of force, such as when they remove a gun from its holster, making accurate documentation harder to monitor.
That's it. I really don't see anything in there about color of police vs color of person they are dealing with, nor do I see anything in there where DoJ said Cleveland residents can now go cause chaos.
Nor do we hear the full report of an internal investigation, unless ordered by a judge. Nor, do we hear the full details when one 1/2 of the equation is deceased--dead men tell no tales. All this crap has been going on for over 100 years, and the only reason we see so much of it now is because of video, and the only reason for all the backlash against those who have had to endure it all this time, is because Caucasians are getting ever closer to being a minority. Whitey is beginning to get scared.
My problem is with the cops and the blacks as well, they think they are the ones who are being singled out when in reality it is they themselves who bring this on themselves. more white people are shot every year by cops than any other race, yet you don't see white people protesting that, if they protest or riot it is because black lives matter, BS all lives matter and whites are shot more than every other race yet only the blacks are the ones getting pissed off about it.
Now the cops, some have a superman complex, others have a dirty harry complex, others are no better than the people they arrest and shoot yet they always get away with all of that. but have a white man shoot back at a cop and he may as well be dead or he will be. But if he is black he has the entire black community riot because of it and even the right rev whoever come in and incite a riot. You want to fix this you need to fix the problem, the cops !
They don't need more training, they need to be better tested for the things I have said above as well as mental problems and more. it is not just the blacks that get shot by cops or abused it is all of us. Cops know this and they get a free bite so to speak like dogs. First time you shoot someone you get a free pass from the courts and even more. they get away with a lot, the ones that are the problem, like this guy. Standing on the hood of a car and firing what 15 rounds from there right into the windshield of the car. Now that sends a message to the cop, hey I can get away with this.
We need better mental evaluations before they ever become cops and I bet half the people who are cops wouldn't be cops now.
Again I'm not a cop. and only guessing,, and I still think we don't see the whole encounter from these you tube vid's to know if the one getting a beat down.. hit a cop.. shot at a cop or anyone else..
I want to make sure I'm not misreading what you said here. Are you saying or impying that the reason the suspect is being chased may be justification for a "beat down?" If someone surrenders for one crime, they're to be taken in without a beating, but if they say, shot a cop and surrender it's okay for the cops to beat them? Keep in mind I'm saying the suspect has surrendered in both cases.
How about after they're already in custody and handcuffed? If they shot a cop, can they be beaten then? If I've misread what you meant, please let me know.
one other big part in there came from another case. They caught a suspect had him laying on the ground. Hand cuffed him then proceeded to smash his face in. The suspect suffered a shattered orbital socket among other injuries. The Cleveland police force has been under investigation for years for excessive force. The best thing I have to say is we had this last court decision in the breol case and we had peaceful protest and no violence or rioting. I hope we as a city build off these changes. They all ready said there not sure how there going to fund all the needed changes but are working to balance the budgets.
