No, just as our society as a whole, by 'law' is not racist. Congressional legislation and SCOTUS scrutiny had made discrimination illegal-by 'law' but that has not been the fix-all it was intended to be.
This proves my point. There is no racism within the system itself. And as long as people are involved, there is no such thing as perfection.
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I do notice this question went unanswered. An honest and direct question: Of the following 3 people, which do honestly think is more likely to get pulled over for simply rolling thru a stop sign? You. Me, a 66 year old white man in a plain white pickup truck. A young black man, 17-25 years of age. No other infractions or discrepancies--just the 'failure to (come to a full) stop' infraction. An honest answer please--
The answer to your question is that color has no influence, legally or morally. So no, the black person is not likely to get pulled over. You left out THE reason people DO get pulled over, and that is do they "look" suspicious. You made no mention of gang affiliation or other typical suspicious behavior in you question. So if you want to go about your life without being pulled over, DONT dress like a thug or look suspicious.
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Not knowing your ethnicity Rick, I can only comment in regards to myself contrasted with the young black man. The young man is much more likely to get the ticket or even be pulled over for it than I am, and that is currently the way it is here, and has been my observation over a very long period of time and in a variety of different states and cities across the nation, regardless of 'what part of town" I was in or who lived in the neighborhood. Law is supposed to be blind to age and color--justice, even more so.
I am perfectly fine with profiling, it is a great tool. But don't confuse it with discrimination or racism. It is simply looking for suspicious behavior.
Originally posted by maryjane: An honest and direct question: Of the following 3 people, which do honestly think is more likely to get pulled over for simply rolling thru a stop sign?
You ?
Me, a 66 year old white man in a plain white pickup truck ?
A young black man, 17-25 years of age ?
No other infractions or discrepancies--just the 'failure to (come to a full) stop' infraction. An honest answer please--
My thoughts. All three. You ? You are likely to get a stern tongue lashing if it is not revenue season.
A young black man, 17-25 years of age ? He deserves the same stern tongue lashing.
No, just as our society as a whole, by 'law' is not racist. Congressional legislation and SCOTUS scrutiny had made discrimination illegal-by 'law' but that has not been the fix-all it was intended to be.
I do notice this question went unanswered. An honest and direct question: Of the following 3 people, which do honestly think is more likely to get pulled over for simply rolling thru a stop sign? You. Me, a 66 year old white man in a plain white pickup truck. A young black man, 17-25 years of age. No other infractions or discrepancies--just the 'failure to (come to a full) stop' infraction. An honest answer please--
Not knowing your ethnicity Rick, I can only comment in regards to myself contrasted with the young black man. The young man is much more likely to get the ticket or even be pulled over for it than I am, and that is currently the way it is here, and has been my observation over a very long period of time and in a variety of different states and cities across the nation, regardless of 'what part of town" I was in or who lived in the neighborhood. Law is supposed to be blind to age and color--justice, even more so.
(I probably shouldn't say 'childishness' since children tend to be more innocent and accepting of others than adults)
Honest answer but one you don't want to hear.. every one the police officer see's do it....
But that won't "jive". With your spin..
Kinda like the fool with a street racing decal on the deck lid.. and wonders why he got picked out of a sea of cars for speeding.. Or, the person driving the pos with no muffler,, bald tires, squeaking brakes, and gets pulled over for rolling through a stop sign.. Na, it wasn't the noisey calling card.. The "camber" clowns are claiming racism also, yet the off road red necks with tires past the fenders get popped for the same thing,, or the guy with a "muscle car with tires past the fenders.. But the camber guys it's because of race..
In case you have no clue of the camber clowns and "stance nation" here.
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Honest answer but one you don't want to hear.. every one the police officer see's do it....
But that won't "jive". With your spin..
Kinda like the fool with a street racing decal on the deck lid.. and wonders why he got picked out of a sea of cars for speeding.. Or, the person driving the pos with no muffler,, bald tires, squeaking brakes, and gets pulled over for rolling through a stop sign.. Na, it wasn't the noisey calling card.. The "camber" clowns are claiming racism also, yet the off road red necks with tires past the fenders get popped for the same thing,, or the guy with a "muscle car with tires past the fenders.. But the camber guys it's because of race..
In case you have no clue of the camber clowns and "stance nation" here.
True, people get pulled over for many reasons unrelated to skin color. The same is true for stop and frisk. Naturally people do not like to get pulled over or searched, so the "why are they picking on me?" questions fly. And another natural reaction is to think that being pulled over or the search was uncalled for, so blaming the Officer for unprofessional behavior just comes natural too.
True, people get pulled over for many reasons unrelated to skin color. The same is true for stop and frisk. Naturally people do not like to get pulled over or searched, so the "why are they picking on me?" questions fly. And another natural reaction is to think that being pulled over or the search was uncalled for, so blaming the Officer for unprofessional behavior just comes natural too.
I don't agree with stop and frisk.. Sorry, That is a start of a very slippery slope.. I don't think getting pulled over and them searching it, ok either.. now if they pull you over, ask you to get out, frisk you and find drugs or a gun and you have no lic to carry, then ya search, but just search because, well it's late and three people are in the car.. nope.. They used the we smell pot, on me once, (don't smoke) and my first new car was 11 miles old, and they trashed the interior.. like as in broke a bunch of parts.. door panels, the side panels the rear cargo area panels. the door sills.. My 11 mile 1989 t/a was now a basket case.. and it took 3 years to get those bastards to pay..
Arrest warrant issued for former officer Oliver. He has turned himself in, and released after posting bail.
DALLAS (AP) — A white Texas police officer faces a murder charge in the shooting of a black teenager after being fired earlier in the week over the incident, authorities said Friday. Roy Oliver turned himself in Friday night, just hours after the Dallas County Sheriff's Office issued a warrant for his arrest in the April 29 death of 15-year-old Jordan Edwards. Oliver, a former officer in the Dallas suburb of Balch Springs, was later released after posting bail at the Parker County Jail in Weatherford, about 95 miles west of Dallas. His bond had been set at $300,000. The sheriff's office said in a statement the warrant was issued based on evidence that suggested Oliver "intended to cause serious bodily injury and commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that caused the death." He's had 'anger management' issues in the past: details below: http://www.msn.com/en-us/ne...kt5R&ocid=spartandhp
An honest and direct question: Of the following 3 people, which do honestly think is more likely to get pulled over for simply rolling thru a stop sign? You. Me, a 66 year old white man in a plain white pickup truck. A young black man, 17-25 years of age. no other infractions or discrepancies--just the 'failure to stop' infraction. An honest answer please--
Is everyone in the same white pickup?
Are you clean shaven, or still doing your man of the mountain look?
I can tell you right off the bat that between you and I, that I am less likely to get pulled over because I have a short haircut, and am clean shaven. My vehicle is also clean and doesn't stand out. (No papers on the dash, all lights working etc.)
All of this "Police are killing blacks" stuff would mean that Police Departments around the country have managed to somehow keep their training secret from the public.... Having two close relatives in the Police Department, AND having been on the wrong side of a cell door a few times myself, I'd say that's a laughable scenario at best.
I've historically not been a fan of the Police, I think my record here will show that. But the Left is becoming more and more batcrap crazy over this stuff.
Are you clean shaven, or still doing your man of the mountain look?
I can tell you right off the bat that between you and I, that I am less likely to get pulled over because I have a short haircut, and am clean shaven. My vehicle is also clean and doesn't stand out. (No papers on the dash, all lights working etc.)
All of this "Police are killing blacks" stuff would mean that Police Departments around the country have managed to somehow keep their training secret from the public.... Having two close relatives in the Police Department, AND having been on the wrong side of a cell door a few times myself, I'd say that's a laughable scenario at best.
I've historically not been a fan of the Police, I think my record here will show that. But the Left is becoming more and more batcrap crazy over this stuff.
Brad
And yet, in spite of my 'mountain man look' I haven't had a ticket in 33 years, and was only stopped once in that same period..for a one day expired inspection sticker--given a verbal warning.
And yet, in spite of my 'mountain man look' I haven't had a ticket in 33 years, and was only stopped once in that same period..for a one day expired inspection sticker--given a verbal warning.
You asked who we thought was most likely. I didn't say it was 100% going to happen... You probably don't run stop signs either... It also helps if you live in an area where everyone knows you.
"Honest answer but one you don't want to hear.. every one the police officer see's do it...."
Not on this planet. They will pull over whichever one they happen to feel like that day, or none of them.
"yet the off road red necks with tires past the fenders get popped for the same thing,, or the guy with a "muscle car with tires past the fenders.."
In hundreds of thousands of driving miles, ive never seen it happen at all. May be laws against it, just like loud radios, but rarely if ever enforced.
And I agree, he DID SAY more likely, not guaranteed.
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