Evidently, ALL the OTHER drivers were somehow able to kick on a radar or sonar to overcome that bad right side visibility.........
Well Ward wasn't interested in the other drivers. For some reason he though Tony Wronged him. You can't make the pass don't force it, you'll only get stuffed. Was Tony driving in his mirror? NOPE no mirrors on sprint cars. There is no such thing as blocking because you can't see behind you. Like I said Dark track Black suit and a guy wanting a piece. Looks like he got more than he could handle. You don't play chicken with an 800 hp sprint car. Sorry.
I saw the videos--the other cars got around the dumb kid easily enough by taking the lower line. They all had the same view including Stewart, but Stewart knew exactly where the wreck was since he was involved in it. The fact that the rescue truck came rolling in within a blink of an eye after Stewart ran over the guy tells you how far into the yellow they were. The wreck itself (again) is unimportant. That part, is just racing, and the rookie acted the same kind of fool Stewart has on several occasions.
Here's Stewart's words after the helmet throwing incident 2 years ago: (He's talking about running into the back of a car--not running over someone on foot)
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"I checked up twice not to run over him. And I learned my lesson there, and I'm going to run over him every chance I got until the end of the year. Every chance I got."
Tony Stewart vs Tony Kania, thats a match I'd pay to see. lol sorry jk
Roger your definitely one of the cooler guys , in my eyes, around here, I cant believe you lost your cool and threw a SODA CAN at a random car. Man I thought I had a bad temper , mellow out brotha man!
As of the race. I cannot tell whether it was intentional or not. Kinda coincidental how it was only Stewart that was out of the pack line. Hmmmm. Also his track record does not help him. Where are our jailhouse lawyers when you need em?
i would not be surprised if a member of Wards family killed Stewart out of revenge
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Looked like Stewart ran Ward into the wall. Ward gets out of his car and runs into traffic to confront Stewart (who does that in the middle of a race???) who then hits and kills him. Tempers/stupidity on both sides.
I gotta be honest, your thread title is pretty condemning. A driver got out of his car while on the track and was hit by another car.
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One of the legal analysts that I just saw them interview says that he is expecting a 2nd degree manslaughter charge. He said that they already had people who witnessed the accident from another angle and the car made no attempt to avoid Ward as well as the allegations that he gunned the motor at the same time. We shall see.
They are saying he revved his engine causing his rearend to fishtail out. Probably to fling dirt on him but it went terribly wrong.
I hope justice is done though I don't think Stewart intended to hit him just shake him up. Still, by getting as close to him as he did there is negligent manslaughter at the least.
oh this is just messed up, found this on a Nascar forum. tony stewart, the early years
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They are saying he revved his engine causing his rearend to fishtail out. Probably to fling dirt on him but it went terribly wrong.
I hope justice is done though I don't think Stewart intended to hit him just shake him up. Still, by getting as close to him as he did there is negligent manslaughter at the least.
oh this is just messed up, found this on a Nascar forum. tony stewart, the early years
Tony Stewart is not known for walking away from a fight. I think as you stated that he intended to throw dirt on the other driver but Ward walked further down on the track than Stewart thought. Tragic end to a pissing contest.
Tony Stewart races at these small dirt tracks to increase attendance and generate some interest. This is charity work since he doesn't receive much in return. Still he always races to win.
One of the legal analysts that I just saw them interview says that he is expecting a 2nd degree manslaughter charge. He said that they already had people who witnessed the accident from another angle and the car made no attempt to avoid Ward as well as the allegations that he gunned the motor at the same time. We shall see.
LMAO. Sounds like an ambulance chaser to me.
Witnesses arent worth much. You can do anything right in front of 10 people and get 10 completely different discriptions of what happened. Happens everyday even in baseball, basketball and football.
Witnesses arent worth much. You can do anything right in front of 10 people and get 10 completely different discriptions of what happened. Happens everyday even in baseball, basketball and football.
Especialy if the witness are anti Stewart. There is alot of animosity toward race car drivers. Some are hated with such passion by rival drivers, fans and families.
Or, Especialy if the witness are pro Stewart. There is alot of devout admiration and undying support toward race car drivers. Some are loved, idolized and worshipped with such passion by rival drivers, fans and families.
Or, Especialy if the witness are pro Stewart. There is alot of devout admiration and undying support toward race car drivers. Some are loved, idolized and worshipped with such passion by rival drivers, fans and families.
only person to blame here is the idiot who left his vehicle, period. Everything else is moot beyond that.
That's what people on here say, but I read an article that drivers always get out of crash vehicle as soon as they can and walk or run away as soon as you can due to probable fires or being crash into again. Then others say (only finding this on PFF posters) you are suppose to remain in the vehicle till help arrives.
That's what people on here say, but I read an article that drivers always get out of crash vehicle as soon as they can and walk or run away as soon as you can due to probable fires or being crash into again. Then others say (only finding this on PFF posters) you are suppose to remain in the vehicle till help arrives.
I used to race Formula V in SCCA in the late-eighties. While the SCCA instructs you to stay in your car until the safety crews arrive, you feel like getting out of the car as soon as you can. Especially if you're still in the race line or the car is on fire. However, even if you get out of your car, you're supposed to quickly get to a safe spot. Not run into traffic. This guy was stupid on all counts in my opinion. I don't like Tony Stewart. I think he's an arrogant overly-aggressive azz. But this kid neither stayed in his car nor went to a safe place after he got out. I know that Stewart is famous for putting people in the wall. However I think it's quite the leap to say that he went from doing that to deliberately running over someone. I may be proven wrong. But I'm pretty sure there was an in-car camera that they'll confiscate and review. Taking the fans words for it, pro or anti Stewart is just ludicrous because of their extreme bias in either direction. I say wait until the sanctioning body and law officials do their investigation. No doubt though, Ward's family WILL take Tony Stewart to civil court. Winning the case may be another story. So we shall see.
Dale Earnhart Sr, crashed everyone in Nascar out at least once, mostly on purpose. I saw him try to pass Terry LeBonte (Kellogs) car for 20 laps at the end of a Bristol race. Hed run up and hit him in the back, get up beside him and door slam him...but couldnt get past him for the win. On the last lap he didnt hit his brakes and drove LeBontes car almost thru the wall and won. He done that more times than you can count. Why wasnt Kenny Schrader sent to jail and sued for KILLING Dale when he ran him into the wall at Daytona....Oh yea, they were racing. I dont hear anyone bad mouthing him because hes a hero. He was a jerk. like I also said, the driver that ran over and killed Elliotts crewmember in the pits didnt have a lawsuit or any charges either. You sign off when you walk in the gate.
This is the back of my spectator ticket to the Mid Ohio Nascar race saturday....they all are and always been like this. Read for yourself. End of Story....
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Dale Earnhart Sr, crashed everyone in Nascar out at least once, mostly on purpose. I saw him try to pass Terry LeBonte (Kellogs) car for 20 laps at the end of a Bristol race. Hed run up and hit him in the back, get up beside him and door slam him...but couldnt get past him for the win. On the last lap he didnt hit his brakes and drove LeBontes car almost thru the wall and won. He done that more times than you can count. Why wasnt Kenny Schrader sent to jail and sued for KILLING Dale when he ran him into the wall at Daytona....Oh yea, they were racing. I dont hear anyone bad mouthing him because hes a hero. He was a jerk. like I also said, the driver that ran over and killed Elliotts crewmember in the pits didnt have a lawsuit or any charges either. You sign off when you walk in the gate.
This is the back of my spectator ticket to the Mid Ohio Nascar race saturday....they all are and always been like this. Read for yourself. End of Story....
I don't know all the details, but I heard that Dale died due to his safety harness belt not being secured, which was his fault. He slammed his pumpkin on the steering wheel.
I don't know all the details, but I heard that Dale died due to his safety harness belt not being secured, which was his fault. He slammed his pumpkin on the steering wheel.
Actually, he died from internal decapitation. His death is part of the reason so many drivers now wear the HANS device or sanctioning bodies have made it mandatory.
I have watched the video a number of times and have read some comments from actual sprint car drivers and between the darkness of the track in that area and the fact that the driver was all in Black contributed to what happened. It didn`t look like to me that Stewart was much higher on the track than the car in front of him and might have not seen the guy until the front car had passed. Plus the back of the car does just what I would expect it to do on an embankment with some acceleration and that`s drift down toward the inside of the track, actually away from the driver. But, as someone said in a post above the back tires of those car are a lot wider and stick out more than the fronts and I think it just caught him. And who`s to say, on dirt, the kid didn`t lose his balance at the last minute and fall right into the path.
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I was talking to someone earlier about it. There was probably an in-car/on-car camera from Stewart's car. But because of the fact that it'd probably show the kid getting hit and be a little on the gruesome side, they're not showing it. But if there is an in-car/on-car camera, it'll probably show one of the best views of what happened. It was only Saturday night. Almost everything that's been reported is pure emotional speculation.
Dale Earnhart Sr, crashed everyone in Nascar out at least once, mostly on purpose. I saw him try to pass Terry LeBonte (Kellogs) car for 20 laps at the end of a Bristol race. Hed run up and hit him in the back, get up beside him and door slam him...but couldnt get past him for the win. On the last lap he didnt hit his brakes and drove LeBontes car almost thru the wall and won. He done that more times than you can count. Why wasnt Kenny Schrader sent to jail and sued for KILLING Dale when he ran him into the wall at Daytona....Oh yea, they were racing. I dont hear anyone bad mouthing him because hes a hero. He was a jerk. like I also said, the driver that ran over and killed Elliotts crewmember in the pits didnt have a lawsuit or any charges either. You sign off when you walk in the gate.
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Heard Dale say in an interview once that he would run over his grandmother to win a race.
I don't know all the details, but I heard that Dale died due to his safety harness belt not being secured, which was his fault. He slammed his pumpkin on the steering wheel.
I do. They werent mandated to wear head and neck restraints then. Earnhart chose NOT to wear it because it was only a suggestion. Shraders car forced him up into the wall, where he hit it and broke his neck at the base of his skull (called a basial skull fracture). After that, Nascar and most other series, order drivers to wear a head and neck restraint. He was dead before the car stopped. Strapped into the car, you cant hit the steering wheel unless the harness is not fastened or broke...or of course as in his case, your head is broken off your body.
That's what people on here say, but I read an article that drivers always get out of crash vehicle as soon as they can and walk or run away as soon as you can due to probable fires or being crash into again. Then others say (only finding this on PFF posters) you are suppose to remain in the vehicle till help arrives.
Track rules are never leave the vehicle, ever . Unless of course it is on fire. With that said however, the kid went out of his way to run down the track and in front of a car as he was pointing the finger at Stewart. I don't follow racing, but looking at this I just shake my head, the one at fault is the guy that broke every rule and put himself in front of a speeding race car with no headlights on a dark racetrack in a dark race suit......
Track rules are never leave the vehicle, ever . Unless of course it is on fire. With that said however, the kid went out of his way to run down the track and in front of a car as he was pointing the finger at Stewart. I don't follow racing, but looking at this I just shake my head, the one at fault is the guy that broke every rule and put himself in front of a speeding race car with no headlights on a dark racetrack in a dark race suit......
I tried to locate this rule, but have been unsuccessful. Can you share where this rule is posted?
...the one at fault is the guy that broke every rule and put himself in front of a speeding race car with no headlights on a dark racetrack in a dark race suit......
I would probably agree with you 100% if it weren't for the fact Tony Stewart was the guy that hit him. I personally don't believe he hit him 100% on purpose, but I do believe that Stewart did purposely try to get as close as he could and gun it a little to try and scare the guy and was probably flipping him off at the same time he hit him. Stewarts cocky ass attitude got the best of him this time. He will pay, I don't give a rats ass what the tickets say on the back.
"He will pay, I don't give a rats ass what the tickets say on the back."
well its in black and white, and its legal. Unless the police find any reason they can charge him with anything, nothing will happen at all. What I see is Tony paying funeral costs to help the family on his own. He may even give them more. Nothing changes the fact that the idiot walked out on a working racetrack. Yesterday the owner of the local racetrack and a sprint car driver himself said that the rule book says drivers are to remain in their cars unless in danger , and if then remain close to their car.
2014 World of Outlaws STP Sprint Car Series Rulebook
(page 27, paragraph 11.1 participant conduct)
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" L.) Any member that goes into another competitors pit area or to ' another competitors car ' and becomes involved in any type of altercation will be subject to disqualification and/or fine and/or suspension and/or loss of points and/or any other action deemed appropriate by World of Outlaws Officials and/or World Racing Group Supervisory Officials. Maximum = $5,000. M.) Any member involved in an altercation that results in physical contact will be subject to disqualification and/or fine and/or suspension and/or loss of points and/or any other action deemed appropriate by World of Outlaws Officials and/or World Racing Group Supervisory Officials. Maximum = $5,000. ... O.) Any team member who goes out onto the racing surface without permission under a controlled period will be subject to disqualification and/or fine and/or suspension and/or loss of points and/or any other action deemed appropriate by World of Outlaws Officials and/or World Racing Group Supervisory Officials. Maximum = $500. "
Ward (team member) being the instigator can be fined, and team lose points. So theres your rules.
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The stuff on the back of the ticket is for the owners of the track/facilities, not for the azzhole that runs you over.
O. J. Simpson was not found guilty of the murders, but did have to pay, even though he didn't.
There is no way Stewart is walking away from this scott free.
Kevin
Imagine someone gets their car worked on at the local shop. They didn't fix it correctly and the car stalls. The owner has to pull along side the road and park the car. Totally pissed at the shop, the owner gets out and starts crossing the busy highway he just pulled off of and gets struck by a car. It just so happens that the car that hit the person is the mechanic who worked on the other guy's car. By your logic, the mechanic should be charged with at least manslaughter because he didn't fix the other guy's car properly thereby setting everything in motion. Of course, this totally neglects the responsibility of the other guy to NOT walk out onto a busy highway. Would people be making as big a deal of the whole situation if it wasn't Tony Stewart who hit him? If Stewart had just put him in the wall and another driver was the one who struck and killed him, would it have even made news? Or is it just a case of the big, bad, mean, nasty, professional driver coming to a small track to beat up on everyone, so he needs to pay?
The stuff on the back of the ticket is for the owners of the track/facilities, not for the azzhole that runs you over.
O. J. Simpson was not found guilty of the murders, but did have to pay, even though he didn't.
There is no way Stewart is walking away from this scott free.
Kevin
PARTICIPANTS....first word, third line. If you read it all, it covers EVERYONE connected with putting on the event, from track owners to trash pickup.
Unless they have irrefutable PROOF he hit him intentionally, YES, he walks away scott free as have any other drivers in any other fatal racing accidents. Sure the parents can sue him, like in the OJ case, but they also would have to prove it was intentional. With police and sanctioning body finding no evidence, thats impossible to prove. In OJs trial, verdict had to be unanimous, in the suit it was preponderance of the evidence...and like you said, he didnt pay anything anyway.
Whade, your totally right. Ill bet a driver gets killed every week or two somewhere in the country with all the local Saturday nite racing events. There are thousands of tracks nationwide, not to mention motorcycle and off road races. Ill even bet if it had been Gordon or Jr, it would have only gotten a quick mention anywhere.
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Imagine someone gets their car worked on at the local shop. They didn't fix it correctly and the car stalls. The owner has to pull along side the road and park the car. Totally pissed at the shop, the owner gets out and starts crossing the busy highway he just pulled off of and gets struck by a car. It just so happens that the car that hit the person is the mechanic who worked on the other guy's car. By your logic, the mechanic should be charged with at least manslaughter because he didn't fix the other guy's car properly thereby setting everything in motion. Of course, this totally neglects the responsibility of the other guy to NOT walk out onto a busy highway. Would people be making as big a deal of the whole situation if it wasn't Tony Stewart who hit him? If Stewart had just put him in the wall and another driver was the one who struck and killed him, would it have even made news? Or is it just a case of the big, bad, mean, nasty, professional driver coming to a small track to beat up on everyone, so he needs to pay?
WTF! Comparing apple to rocks now?
Silly me, I forgot I was dealing with a bunch of lawyers on Pennock's. Guess I'll just let this play out, and when Stewart gets charged or has a settlement against him, I'll be back to see where everyone got their degrees.
Im OK with that....and if nothings happened in the next few months, you can admit you were wrong too.
Maybe youd like to support a national ban on all kinds of motorsports so no more deaths and injuries can happen. Thats the new American way you know...if you can break a nail doing anything...ban it.
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PARTICIPANTS....first word, third line. If you read it all, it covers EVERYONE connected with putting on the event, from track owners to trash pickup.
You might want to read the first paragraph on the back of your "SPECTATOR" (underline, underline) ticket over and over until you understand what it is saying.
Silly me, I forgot I was dealing with a bunch of lawyers on Pennock's. Guess I'll just let this play out, and when Stewart gets charged or has a settlement against him, I'll be back to see where everyone got their degrees.
Kevin
At least you're not showing any biased against Stewart. You've already convicted the man. It's pretty clear that you don't like him, maybe even hate him. But how you feel about someone doesn't make them guilty or innocent. That being said, there are different rules for civil suits versus criminal cases. You can be sure that the Ward family will lawyer up and sue the track, the sanctioning body, and Stewart. Whether they win the case or not is another story. You accuse people of acting like they have law degrees on PFF when you yourself have already stated that Stewart WILL have charges brought against him and WILL have a settlement issued against him. So where then is YOUR law degree kind sir? I understand your hatred for Tony Stewart because he is, in fact, an overly-aggressive azz. But that doesn't mean the man's guilty of anything but being an azz. If that was a crime, there'd be maybe two dozen people NOT in jail. lol
