Thanks man, I appreciate your conversation as well. I am with the viewpoint that a drunk driver for example is too much risk to let them drive around until someon gets hurt or killed. I know its not complete freedom, but that kind of freedom can only happen while on an island alone. It is an unreasonable risk to my own life and infringes on my freedom to even walk out my door. I suppose even in my home their car could even come thru my wall too.
I know, it all sounds good but I am pretty skeptical by nature and don't think any of these laws actually curtails the type of person that is actually the problem. Literally millions do it everyday without harming anybody! It has been a windfall financially for government and INS. corps.
By the way, remember to look both ways before you go out your front door
There were prescribed medicines that I couldn't take and go to work, if I had to be on this medication then I wasn't allowed to work. If marijuana was legalized I would expect that it would be the same.... But then we come back to the debate, does having THC in your system mean you're under the influence of it.
Originally posted by Red88FF: I know, it all sounds good but I am pretty skeptical by nature and don't think any of these laws actually curtails the type of person that is actually the problem. Literally millions do it everyday without harming anybody! It has been a windfall financially for government and INS. corps.
By the way, remember to look both ways before you go out your front door
There are always going to be a few people who will risk it even when there are serious consequences, injury, death, legal consequences, killing or maiming or rendering paralyzed other people due to their decision to become "affected" and drive. But I do think many people dont because of the deterrent of legal consequences of even being caught. I also dont think those consequences are near heavy enough.
There were prescribed medicines that I couldn't take and go to work, if I had to be on this medication then I wasn't allowed to work. If marijuana was legalized I would expect that it would be the same.... But then we come back to the debate, does having THC in your system mean you're under the influence of it.
Depends on how much and who you are I suppose. Would get pretty costly to test every morning when clocking in, and at that point you already drove to work.
"In the APA Dictionary of Psychology, psychological dependence is defined as "dependence on a psychoactive substance for the reinforcement it provides." [1] Most times psychological dependence is classified under addiction. They are similar in that addiction is a physiological "craving" for something and psychological dependence is a "need" for a particular substance because it causes enjoyable mental affects.
A person becomes dependent on something to help alleviate specific emotions.[2] Psychological dependence begins after the first trial which a person then becomes satisfied and the satisfaction increases with each use. This constant feeling leads to psychological reinforcement which eventually leads to dependence.[3] Of the various things that a person can be psychologically dependent on, "opiates, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, alcohol, and nicotine" are among them. Along with substances, people can also become dependent on activities as well; such as shopping, pornography, self-harm, and many more. While a psychologically dependent person attempts to recover, there are many withdrawal symptoms that one can experience throughout the process. Some of the withdrawal symptoms are: headache, poor judgement, trembling hands, and loss of attention span and focusing.[4] When trying to over come psychological dependence on a drug, one can go to a substance abuse program.[5]"
I know the difference. I'm sure there will be some number of people who will be psychologically addicted. I'm also thinking there will be a (very) small number who are physically addicted. Like smokers addicted to nicotine, only not nearly as many, and not nearly as profound.
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Can't really toss that one up to context can ya? This whole thing is just a pointless circle jerk for you. You don't want a conversation.
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I am open to ideas that work at keeping drugs illegal AND keeping the poison off the streets. So if you have any of those kind of ideas, lets hear them.
I have been VERY consistent and my context clear to those that actually look at what is said.
No reason for anyone to try and discuss anything with you because you've already said doesn't matter what anybody else says, or proves to be fact you feel the way you do and nothings going to change.
Depends on how much and who you are I suppose. Would get pretty costly to test every morning when clocking in, and at that point you already drove to work.
I think most people are not putting everything into the equation.
There will be accidents. There will be a learning curve. But the biggest problems get weeded out quickly it is darwins law.
Responsibility is a job. People don't know how to do that anymore.
or proves to be fact you feel the way you do and nothings going to change.
No body has even proved any facts that help the case for legalization. Seems like it's just emotion that drives some of the responses. And nobody has offered a plan to deal with the negative side effects of legalization. That is totally denied.
If you are the only one that thinks that maybe that should be a hint that there is a problem.
Or you are a freaking genius so far above everybody else,
This topic is just as much political as any other. Why would you expect t to go smoothly? OR I may be one of the few in this thread is not a libertarian.
[b]Originally posted by . Seems like it's just emotion that drives some of the responses.
And your position is not driven by your emotion.....
10. Prohibition has failed to control the use and domestic production of marijuana. The government has tried to use criminal penalties to prevent marijuana use for over 75 years and yet: marijuana is now used by over 25 million people annually, cannabis is currently the largest cash crop in the United States, and marijuana is grown all over the planet. Claims that marijuana prohibition is a successful policy are ludicrous and unsupported by the facts, and the idea that marijuana will soon be eliminated from America and the rest of the world is a ridiculous fantasy.
9. Arrests for marijuana possession disproportionately affect blacks and Hispanics and reinforce the perception that law enforcement is biased and prejudiced against minorities. African-Americans account for approximately 13% of the population of the United States and about 13.5% of annual marijuana users, however, blacks also account for 26% of all marijuana arrests. Recent studies have demonstrated that blacks and Hispanics account for the majority of marijuana possession arrests in New York City, primarily for smoking marijuana in public view. Law enforcement has failed to demonstrate that marijuana laws can be enforced fairly without regard to race; far too often minorities are arrested for marijuana use while white/non-Hispanic Americans face a much lower risk of arrest.
8. A regulated, legal market in marijuana would reduce marijuana sales and use among teenagers, as well as reduce their exposure to other drugs in the illegal market. The illegality of marijuana makes it more valuable than if it were legal, providing opportunities for teenagers to make easy money selling it to their friends. If the excessive profits for marijuana sales were ended through legalization there would be less incentive for teens to sell it to one another. Teenage use of alcohol and tobacco remain serious public health problems even though those drugs are legal for adults, however, the availability of alcohol and tobacco is not made even more widespread by providing kids with economic incentives to sell either one to their friends and peers.
7. Legalized marijuana would reduce the flow of money from the American economy to international criminal gangs. Marijuana’s illegality makes foreign cultivation and smuggling to the United States extremely profitable, sending billions of dollars overseas in an underground economy while diverting funds from productive economic development.
6. Marijuana’s legalization would simplify the development of hemp as a valuable and diverse agricultural crop in the United States, including its development as a new bio-fuel to reduce carbon emissions. Canada and European countries have managed to support legal hemp cultivation without legalizing marijuana, but in the United States opposition to legal marijuana remains the biggest obstacle to development of industrial hemp as a valuable agricultural commodity. As US energy policy continues to embrace and promote the development of bio-fuels as an alternative to oil dependency and a way to reduce carbon emissions, it is all the more important to develop industrial hemp as a bio-fuel source – especially since use of hemp stalks as a fuel source will not increase demand and prices for food, such as corn. Legalization of marijuana will greatly simplify the regulatory burden on prospective hemp cultivation in the United States.
5. Prohibition is based on lies and disinformation. Justification of marijuana’s illegality increasingly requires distortions and selective uses of the scientific record, causing harm to the credibility of teachers, law enforcement officials, and scientists throughout the country. The dangers of marijuana use have been exaggerated for almost a century and the modern scientific record does not support the reefer madness predictions of the past and present. Many claims of marijuana’s danger are based on old 20th century prejudices that originated in a time when science was uncertain how marijuana produced its characteristic effects. Since the cannabinoid receptor system was discovered in the late 1980s these hysterical concerns about marijuana’s dangerousness have not been confirmed with modern research. Everyone agrees that marijuana, or any other drug use such as alcohol or tobacco use, is not for children. Nonetheless, adults have demonstrated over the last several decades that marijuana can be used moderately without harmful impacts to the individual or society.
4. Marijuana is not a lethal drug and is safer than alcohol. It is established scientific fact that marijuana is not toxic to humans; marijuana overdoses are nearly impossible, and marijuana is not nearly as addictive as alcohol or tobacco. It is unfair and unjust to treat marijuana users more harshly under the law than the users of alcohol or tobacco.
3. Marijuana is too expensive for our justice system and should instead be taxed to support beneficial government programs. Law enforcement has more important responsibilities than arresting 750,000 individuals a year for marijuana possession, especially given the additional justice costs of disposing of each of these cases. Marijuana arrests make justice more expensive and less efficient in the United States, wasting jail space, clogging up court systems, and diverting time of police, attorneys, judges, and corrections officials away from violent crime, the sexual abuse of children, and terrorism. Furthermore, taxation of marijuana can provide needed and generous funding of many important criminal justice and social programs.
2. Marijuana use has positive attributes, such as its medical value and use as a recreational drug with relatively mild side effects. Many people use marijuana because they have made an informed decision that it is good for them, especially Americans suffering from a variety of serious ailments. Marijuana provides relief from pain, nausea, spasticity, and other symptoms for many individuals who have not been treated successfully with conventional medications. Many American adults prefer marijuana to the use of alcohol as a mild and moderate way to relax. Americans use marijuana because they choose to, and one of the reasons for that choice is their personal observation that the drug has a relatively low dependence liability and easy-to-manage side effects. Most marijuana users develop tolerance to many of marijuana’s side effects, and those who do not, choose to stop using the drug. Marijuana use is the result of informed consent in which individuals have decided that the benefits of use outweigh the risks, especially since, for most Americans, the greatest risk of using marijuana is the relatively low risk of arrest.
1. Marijuana users are determined to stand up to the injustice of marijuana probation and accomplish legalization, no matter how long or what it takes to succeed. Despite the threat of arrests and a variety of other punishments and sanctions marijuana users have persisted in their support for legalization for over a generation. They refuse to give up their long quest for justice because they believe in the fundamental values of American society. Prohibition has failed to silence marijuana users despite its best attempts over the last generation. The issue of marijuana’s legalization is a persistent issue that, like marijuana, will simply not go away. Marijuana will be legalized because marijuana users will continue to fight for it until they succeed.
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Which is you want no conversation unless you control it. Limiting it to ideas to keep it illegal.
Sure I will listen t ideas that will help keep the poison off the streets, but you are wrong in assumeing that I want to control conversations. I have not got between those that are discussing lgalization, I have nothing to say for it. Most of my resposes are to people that have been commentng on, at or to me.
Sure I will listen t ideas that will help keep the poison off the streets, but you are wrong in assumeing that I want to control conversations. I have not got between those that are discussing lgalization, I have nothing to say for it. Most of my resposes are to people that have been commentng on, at or to me.
Sorry no ideas to keep drugs illegal... How about some statistics about a country that legalized drugs
Ten Years Ago Portugal Decriminalized All Drugs. What Happened Next? When the drug-drenched nation legalized all drugs within its borders, most critics predicted disaster. Instead drug use has plunged dramatically.
Drug related deaths fell by 50% Photo via thinkstockphotos By Tony O'Neill 07/13/11 Share on facebook Share on twitter | More Sharing ServicesShare The government in Portugal has no plans to back down. Although the Netherlands is the European country most associated with liberal drug laws, it has already been ten years since Portugal became the first European nation to take the brave step of decriminalizing possession of all drugs within its borders—from marijuana to heroin, and everything in between. This controversial move went into effect in June of 2001, in response to the country’s spiraling HIV/AIDS statistics. While many critics in the poor and largely conservative country attacked the sea change in drug policy, fearing it would lead to drug tourism while simultaneously worsening the country’s already shockingly high rate of hard drug use, a report published in 2009 by the Cato Institute tells a different story. Glenn Greenwald, the attorney and author who conducted the research, told Time: “Judging by every metric, drug decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success. It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country."
Back in 2001, Portugal had the highest rate of HIV among injecting drug users in the European Union—an incredible 2,000 new cases a year, in a country with a population of just 10 million. Despite the predictable controversy the move stirred up at home and abroad, the Portuguese government felt there was no other way they could effectively quell this ballooning problem. While here in the U.S. calls for full drug decriminalization are still dismissed as something of a fringe concern, the Portuguese decided to do it, and have been quietly getting on with it now for a decade. Surprisingly, most credible reports appear to show that decriminalization has been a staggering success.
The DEA sees it a bit differently. Portugal, they say, was a disaster, with heroin and HIV rates out of control. "Portugal's addict population and the problems that go along with addiction continue to increase," the DEA maintains. "In an effort to reduce the number of addicts in the prison system, the Portuguese government has an enacted some radical policies in the last few years with the eventual decriminalization of all illicit drugs in July of 2001."
However, as Greenwald concludes: "By freeing its citizens from the fear of prosecution and imprisonment for drug usage, Portugal has dramatically improved its ability to encourage drug addicts to avail themselves of treatment. The resources that were previously devoted to prosecuting and imprisoning drug addicts are now available to provide treatment programs to addicts." Under the perfect system, treatment would also be voluntary, but as an alternative to jail, mandatory treatment save money. But for now, "the majority of EU states have rates that are double and triple the rate for post-decriminalization Portugal," Greenwald says.
For those looking for clues about how the U.S. government can tackle its domestic drug problem, the figures are enticing. Following decriminalization, Portugal eventually found itself with the lowest rates of marijuana usage in people over 15 in the EU: about 10%. Compare this to the 40% of people over 12 who regularly smoke pot in the U.S., a country with some of the most punitive drugs laws in the developed world. Drug use of all kinds has declined in Portugal: Lifetime use among seventh to ninth graders fell from 14.01% to 10.6%. Lifetime heroin use among 16-18 year olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8%. And what about those horrific HIV infection rates that prompted the move in the first place? HIV infection rates among drug users fell by an incredible 17%, while drug related deaths were reduced by more than half. "There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal," said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, at a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law.
We’re not holding our breath that the Portuguese example will lead to any kind of abrupt about-face in America's own drug war, which is still sputtering steadily along at a cost of trillions a year. However, with the medical marijuana movement so far refusing to be strangled out of existence by the DEA, Senators Jim Webb and Arlen Specter recently made a proposal to create a blue ribbon commission to look at prison and drug sentencing reform. And for any pro-legalization presidential hopefuls in 2012, the movement for a common sense drug policy in the United States may be finally moving into the mainstream.
This thread did not start out as a "how can we legalize drugs" thread. I feel my input about the use of heroin and others forms of prescription opiates is relevant. And it is not a far jump to other illegal drugs, heroin was specifically mentioned. I belive my input did not derail this thread, peoples reaction to how I voiced my opinion lead to the devoling of the thread to another legalize drugs thread.
No body has even proved any facts that help the case for legalization. Seems like it's just emotion that drives some of the responses. And nobody has offered a plan to deal with the negative side effects of legalization. That is totally denied.
I gave you several facts and statistic that help the case for legalization. I also gave you facts that drug use went down when they were legalized in Portugal....
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This thread did not start out as a "how can we legalize drugs" thread. I feel my input about the use of heroin and others forms of prescription opiates is relevant. And it is not a far jump to other illegal drugs, heroin was specifically mentioned. I belive my input did not derail this thread, peoples reaction to how I voiced my opinion lead to the devoling of the thread to another legalize drugs thread.
Keep your head buried in the sand but there are better ways to address the drug problems then locking people up
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Keep your head buried in the sand but there are better ways to address the drug problems then locking people up
I dont think I am the one in the sand. What is your source? This search has differing "facts" from theone you quoted. Drug policy of PortugalFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The drug policy of Portugal was put in place in 2000, and was legally effective from July 2001. The new law maintained the status of illegality for using or possessing any drug for personal use without authorization. However, the offense was changed from a criminal one, with prison a possible punishment, to an administrative one if the amount possessed was no more than ten days' supply of that substance.[1] In 1999, Portugal had the highest rate of HIV amongst injecting drug users in the European Union. The number of newly diagnosed HIV cases among drug users has decreased to 13.4 cases per million in 2009 but that is still high above the European average of 2.85 cases per million.[1]
There were 2000 new cases a year, in a country of 10 million people. 45% of HI reported AIDS cases recorded in 1997 originated among IV drug users,[2] so targeting drug use was seen as an effective avenue of HIV prevention. The number of heroin users was estimated to be between 50,000 and 100,000 at the end of the 1990s.[3] This led to the adoption of The National Strategy for the Fight Against Drugs in 1999. A vast expansion of harm reduction efforts, doubling the investment of public funds in drug treatment and drug prevention services, and changing the legal framework dealing with minor drug offences were the main elements of the policy thrust.
No body has even proved any facts that help the case for legalization. Seems like it's just emotion that drives some of the responses. And nobody has offered a plan to deal with the negative side effects of legalization. That is totally denied.
Speaking of "head in the sand"...
Please tell me if I am wrong, but the "War on Drugs" is one of the reasons why so many of OUR citizens are incarcerated, and that system of business run incarceration is what puts food on your table, straight off the backs of "criminals".
Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal
Drug warriors often contend that drug use would skyrocket if we were to legalize or decriminalize drugs in the United States. Fortunately, we have a real-world example of the actual effects of ending the violent, expensive War on Drugs and replacing it with a system of treatment for problem users and addicts.
Ten years ago, Portugal decriminalized all drugs. One decade after this unprecedented experiment, drug abuse is down by half:
Health experts in Portugal said Friday that Portugal’s decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked.
“There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal,” said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law.
The number of addicts considered “problematic” — those who repeatedly use “hard” drugs and intravenous users — had fallen by half since the early 1990s, when the figure was estimated at around 100,000 people, Goulao said.
Other factors had also played their part however, Goulao, a medical doctor added.
“This development can not only be attributed to decriminalisation but to a confluence of treatment and risk reduction policies.”
Many of these innovative treatment procedures would not have emerged if addicts had continued to be arrested and locked up rather than treated by medical experts and psychologists. Currently 40,000 people in Portugal are being treated for drug abuse. This is a far cheaper, far more humane way to tackle the problem. Rather than locking up 100,000 criminals, the Portuguese are working to cure 40,000 patients and fine-tuning a whole new canon of drug treatment knowledge at the same time.
Please tell me if I am wrong, but the "War on Drugs" is one of the reasons why so many of OUR citizens are incarcerated, and that system of business run incarceration is what puts food on your table, straight off the backs of "criminals".
Your are wrong. You have bought into a myth. And to be clear, I dont have my head in the sand.
Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal
Drug warriors often contend that drug use would skyrocket if we were to legalize or decriminalize drugs in the United States. Fortunately, we have a real-world example of the actual effects of ending the violent, expensive War on Drugs and replacing it with a system of treatment for problem users and addicts.
Ten years ago, Portugal decriminalized all drugs. One decade after this unprecedented experiment, drug abuse is down by half:
Health experts in Portugal said Friday that Portugal’s decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked.
“There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal,” said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law.
The number of addicts considered “problematic” — those who repeatedly use “hard” drugs and intravenous users — had fallen by half since the early 1990s, when the figure was estimated at around 100,000 people, Goulao said.
Other factors had also played their part however, Goulao, a medical doctor added.
“This development can not only be attributed to decriminalisation but to a confluence of treatment and risk reduction policies.”
Many of these innovative treatment procedures would not have emerged if addicts had continued to be arrested and locked up rather than treated by medical experts and psychologists. Currently 40,000 people in Portugal are being treated for drug abuse. This is a far cheaper, far more humane way to tackle the problem. Rather than locking up 100,000 criminals, the Portuguese are working to cure 40,000 patients and fine-tuning a whole new canon of drug treatment knowledge at the same time.
None of this is possible when waging a war.
Should I believe this just because it is on the internet, or because it is from another anonymous source? BTW you did not address the inconsistencies of the last source?
Your are wrong. You have bought into a myth. And to be clear, I dont have my head in the sand.
I have heard that you cannot argue with insanity. I have just never seen the light shine so brightly. I kind of feel privileged knowing this so early on in our conversation. It saves me loads of time.
Should I believe this just because it is on the internet, or because it is from another anonymous source? BTW you did not address the inconsistencies of the last source?
Yes you should... There are several sources that say they same thing, drug use is down with decriminalization ...just search the term portugal 10 years after decriminalization
Have you ever heard the saying .... only a fool does the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result. Your way doesn't work, it's time to try something else
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I have heard that you cannot argue with insanity. I have just never seen the light shine so brightly. I kind of feel privileged knowing this so early on in our conversation. It saves me loads of time.
You try to insult me, then call me insane. Then without a shred of conversation, imply that I wont engage in one. OK, now I know were you are coming from.
Yes you should... There are several sources that say they same thing, drug use is down with decriminalization ...just search the term portugal 10 years after decriminalization
Have you ever heard the saying .... only a fool does the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result. Your way doesn't work, it's time to try something else
No, I should not believe in HIGHLY questionable anonymous sources. You wont even back them up with a defence for why they differ from Wikipedia.
Insanity is your impication. That is not me. I never said the current system is perfect or beond repair. Yes it is imperfect and could use some updates. BUT as it is , even flawed as it is, this system is worlds ahead of outright legalization.
No, I should not believe in HIGHLY questionable anonymous sources. You wont even back them up with a defence for why they differ from Wikipedia.
Insanity is your impication. That is not me. I never said the current system is perfect or beond repair. Yes it is imperfect and could use some updates. BUT as it is , even flawed as it is, this system is worlds ahead of outright legalization.
Well If insanity is relative then I am in no position to call you insane.
On subject: I think you could provide some backing up of your own to statements like this
" this system is worlds ahead of outright legalization."
Now I myself believe that "YOur system that you yourself are intimately involved is extreme just as I believe outright legalization is another extreme.
Now your propensity for absolute control And my propensity for shall we say anarchy for lack of a better term on my part both create avenues for corruption and abuse.
No, I should not believe in HIGHLY questionable anonymous sources. You wont even back them up with a defence for why they differ from Wikipedia.
Insanity is your impication. That is not me. I never said the current system is perfect or beond repair. Yes it is imperfect and could use some updates. BUT as it is , even flawed as it is, this system is worlds ahead of outright legalization.
I gave you several sources that said the same thing..... Drug use is down, even Wikipedia said drug use is down.
But you know what's best... Just keep locking people up. Your way has done nothing to stop the demand for drugs, all its done is make the price go up and put more people in jail then any other country in the world. And even when provided with facts that show there is a better way to treat the problem you fail to see it. You have your head so far up your ass everything smells like **** to you. There I join to people that resort to name calling when trying to have a debate with you. I'm done, you are a helpless cause.
Well If insanity is relative then I am in no position to call you insane.
On subject: I think you could provide some backing up of your own to statements like this
" this system is worlds ahead of outright legalization."
Now I myself believe that "YOur system that you yourself are intimately involved is extreme just as I believe outright legalization is another extreme.
Now your propensity for absolute control And my propensity for shall we say anarchy for lack of a better term on my part both create avenues for corruption and abuse.
Would it matter if I gave an answer to this? You bassicaly told me you are not listening to anything I say?
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I thought you already threw the ball out? Not certain but the insults might have come from your direction first also. You made it clear you were set in stone and bragged about it so why exchange ideas.
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I gave you several sources that said the same thing..... Drug use is down, even Wikipedia said drug use is down.
But you know what's best... Just keep locking people up. Your way has done nothing to stop the demand for drugs, all its done is make the price go up and put more people in jail then any other country in the world. And even when provided with facts that show there is a better way to treat the problem you fail to see it. You have your head so far up your ass everything smells like **** to you. There I join to people that resort to name calling when trying to have a debate with you. I'm done, you are a helpless cause.
My way? Do you even know what "my way" would be IF I have control it "it"? No you dont, because yu never bothered to ask. You yourself live in a world that your close out other peoples ideas without even so much as a simple question.
My way? Do you even know what "my way" would be IF I have control it "it"? No you dont, because yu never bothered to ask. You yourself live in a world that your close out other peoples ideas without even so much as a simple question.
Oh please ...... Tell us all what you would do if you were in control
No, I should not believe in HIGHLY questionable anonymous sources. You wont even back them up with a defence for why they differ from Wikipedia.
Insanity is your impication. That is not me. I never said the current system is perfect or beond repair. Yes it is imperfect and could use some updates. BUT as it is , even flawed as it is, this system is worlds ahead of outright legalization.
Honestly, are you drinking? I have not said anything about another's aptitude for the English language in some time now, but if you are unable to communicate properly, how are you to be taken with anything other than a grain of salt? Or is it a pound of flesh in prison? I get confused.
The mindset that you have is one of extremes. I wish you well.
It saves me loads of time.
