Guys, with my daughter almost done re-assmebling her 1985 Iron Duke... it occurred to me that the oil filter literally comes off the block at an angle... to the point that when you remove it, you are ... most definitely ... going to get oil pouring down the side of the engine block, onto the oil pan, and God knows where else. Is there an external oil filter kit that possibly even just puts it at a 90 degree angle? I seem to recall it sticks out behind and below the alternator... but I don't really see anything that would get in it's way.
I'm not a fan of pressurized oil lines... but if there was something that screwed on and enabled a 90 degree angle so the oil filter came right off the block, that would be great!
...when you remove it, you are ... most definitely ... going to get oil pouring down the side of the engine block, onto the oil pan, and God knows where else.
Not if you puncture a drainage hole in it first. Seriously!
Not if you puncture a drainage hole in it first. Seriously!
Is that what you do every time you change the oil? It never occurred to me. I'm also wondering if my V6 is also like this... I'm thinking it might be. Seems like a weird design. Even the small block Chevy had a vertical oil filter attachment.
I bought one of these kits to flush a 3.8 that had been sitting for several years. Not bad overall but I would be weary of the thread sealant of your choice and long term use. As far as poking a hole in the filter that's not a bad option, I had a dedicated funnel setup that I used to use long ago.
I'm also wondering if my V6 is also like this... I'm thinking it might be.
It is.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Is that what you do every time you change the oil? It never occurred to me.
To be honest, no... but that doesn't mean it isn't a viable option. I read years ago (probably here) that this is how someone dealt with the tilted oil filter issue. I find if I'm real careful when unscrewing the oil filter(s) that oil spillage is minimal. However, if I was to use the "puncture" method, I'd do it in such a manner that I'm not applying any force to the side of the filter when making the hole, just to ensure that no there's no shear force acting on the mount to the block. I'd try to puncture a hole more on the end of the filter. Probably makes very little difference.
[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 04-04-2024).]
V6 Some Oil runs down the filter. After you "break it" the filter just use a rag around the filter.
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate the responses. Honestly, I'm torn.
- On one hand, I'd really like to relocate it to somewhere more reasonable where it doesn't make a huge mess.
- On the other hand, I'm deathly afraid of oil being pressurized in a rubber line, which means the life or death of an engine.
... all other things considered, the engine itself contains the oil pretty well... and there's generally no risk of oil shooting out from some obscure area at high pressure, like it might in an external oil kit, in which case... there would be catastrophic failure. I'm going to think about it. I'll wait until my daughter changes her oil for the first time anyway...
Duke & V6 filters traps most oil inside IF you're careful after first drop as I said above.
PF47 PF52 etc have anti drain valve keep oil in outer section. IF careful when spinning off the threads slowly so can tip the filter at end of threads so filter threads at top keeps "core" oil in too.
Biggest problem is morons install wrong & way too tight then can't remove later to replace it. 2. Use a good wrench. Cheap ones slip for many reasons depending on what type.
[This message has been edited by theogre (edited 04-06-2024).]
Originally posted by richard in nc: "Originally posted by Patrick: Not if you puncture a drainage hole in it first. Seriously!" so just rip a small hole in the bottom with pliers?or use a drill?
Don't do this.
Punch holes Does Not solve the first drop because that oil is between filter & engine & anti drain keeps oil there.
Any hole big enough to drain, more so on sides, can become tearing point when have problems getting lose.
Many times you only have 1 hand to get filter on/off of Dukes because low access. Yet I & many others rarely have oil "on the floor" because of careful work.
If you real want to help... Put a small drain hole shown in motor mount in cave, then another in lowest point on bracket to cradle. Lets oil, polluted water & more out of the mount so doesn't "rot" or dripping oil for days if you spill oil or leaking oil like bad crank seal.
The Duke w/ AT & maybe others... engine mount has a "well" on top, drill the hole @ lowest far away from "guard" rivet. "Guard" rivet does nothing unless the rubber is F'ed.
I have a relocation kit on my Duke/SD4. Its similar to what the guy posted above from Summit. It works fine. I have no complaints. I still manage to spill some oil, when I take off the filter, but at least it doesn't run all over the motor mount and help to deteriorate it.
not worth the effort, anytime you introduce another connection, there's a chance of another potential leak, a 3 dollar can of brake clean when you change the oil does wonders.
