Oh, I think the 51st state thing might have upset a few Canadians resulting in a significant increase in TDS. Canadians benefit in many ways by being our neighbor and sharing a border with the US. If only their leadership would buy into carrying their share of the load. You know, fair tariffs, paying their way, stuff like that.
But, the tariffs do have an effect, I was looking for something in a retail store this week, turned the item over to read the label and the label said, made in Canada. The price difference wasn't that great but, I still put it back on the shelf and got a US made product instead. So, yeah. The tariffs have affected what and the way I buy.
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Oh, I think the 51st state thing might have upset a few Canadians...
Of course it did. Only an ignorant prick of a president/prime minister/leader would make such comments about any other independent sovereign country.
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But, the tariffs do have an effect, I was looking for something in a retail store this week, turned the item over to read the label and the label said, made in Canada. The price difference wasn't that great but, I still put it back on the shelf and got a US made product instead.
In this situation, at least you had an option... but whether there's an option or not, the end result will be you, the consumer, paying more for the product. Donald thanks you for your contribution to his coffers.
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Only an ignorant prick of a president/prime minister/leader would make such comments about another independent sovereign country.
Independent is somewhat questionable. Total independence would indicate Canada doesn't need the US. That simply isn't true. Both countries benefit from a strong relationship. Canada simply needs to start pulling their fair share of the load tariff wise and in other ways.
In consideration of all creatures great and small, then maybe Donald should stay out of the swamp. Anything sucked out of his body is probably toxic. I'm surprised Stormy Daniels is still alive.
Do you really think anything you posted is a revelation to me or to anyone else who understands how tariffs work? Of course there are "indirect" costs to Canada. Why else would Canadians be upset about these tariffs imposed by Trump? These tariffs end up taking money out of the pockets of the average Joe in the US and Canada, much to the delight of the wealthy elite. Anyone who can't (or doesn't want) to see this is a fool.
Nothing you stated invalidates my comment. It is a factual statement... and you know it.
Canada does not pay anything towards US tariffs set by Trump.
But that's not correct what you're saying. Canada does end up paying for these tariffs, even if it's indirect.
All that said, there's more here than what's clearly obvious. You don't like Trump, I get that. But it seems to me that you are trying to convince the rest of us (all 3 of us) that this somehow is much worse for the United States than it is for Canada. Nearly all of these threads about tariffs, and your response has been more to try to convey to us that these tariffs are stupid and it's only going to hurt us.
You may not like it, but it's not stupid for the United States. Canada will fold, already has folded quite a bit, and will fold more. The reason is because this hurts Canada far more than it hurts the United States. The U.S. can effectively stop buying anything at all from Canada, and we will survive. But if the United States stops buying from Canada, then the Canadian economy would completely collapse. Canada's exports to the United States totals half a trillion annually. That is 30% more than US exports to Canada. In short, we are consumers, and have a choice of who and from where we buy product. There is almost nothing that Canada makes right now that we can't already get from somewhere else, or have made somewhere else. I don't say that to be mean... but I don't like this facade` that somehow the US is being "foolish" for doing what we're doing.
Yeah, it sucks for Canada... and yes, if I was Canadian, I would hate the fact that a more powerful country is basically going to end up bossing us around. But Canada has been taking advantage of the United States for decades, and Trump is trying to balance a trade deficit between all the other countries that trade with us. It's been working, and it's been fantastic. And through this entire time... it has not only NOT affected our economy, but actually been fantastic for it.
There are thousands of companies, including some big ones, that are moving or are looking to move their manufacturing to the United States to get around tariffs:
Furthermore, the growth of our economy has actually had an accelerated effect. The more our economy grows, and the longer it takes for other countries to make trade deals, the more likely it is these companies will make the move for the long haul.
Again, I understand where you come from, and I like Canada... but I like the United States more... and I want the United States to be more successful.
You may not like it, but it's not stupid for the United States. Canada will fold, already has folded quite a bit, and will fold more. The reason is because this hurts Canada far more than it hurts the United States. The U.S. can effectively stop buying anything at all from Canada, and we will survive. But if the United States stops buying from Canada, then the Canadian economy would completely collapse. Canada's exports to the United States totals half a trillion annually. That is 30% more than US exports to Canada. In short, we are consumers, and have a choice of who and from where we buy product. There is almost nothing that Canada makes right now that we can't already get from somewhere else, or have made somewhere else. I don't say that to be mean... but I don't like this facade` that somehow the US is being "foolish" for doing what we're doing.
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Again, I understand where you come from, and I like Canada... but I like the United States more... and I want the United States to be more successful.
Agreed. As I posted previously, I chose to select a US made item because the first one I picked up was made in Canada. I also avoid Chinese products when I can. Reference the tariff question, it's kind of like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Canadian leadership (and citizens) should consider just how much the US consumers really need Canadian products. ------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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But Canada has been taking advantage of the United States for decades...
So... you're telling me that the US has been victimized for decades by a country with one tenth the population? I didn't realize what a country of pansies the US must be! lol
Todd, I hope you don't actually believe all the nonsense that you post. You might have the other two or three MAGAnauts in P&R nodding their heads in approval, but anyone with access to balanced news reports and an open mind can see right through the biased BS you're desperately trying to push.
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So... you're telling me that the US has been victimized for decades by a country with one tenth the population? I didn't realize what a country of pansies the US must be! lol
Todd, I hope you don't actually believe all the nonsense that you post. You might have the other two or three MAGAnauts in P&R nodding their heads in approval, but anyone with access to balanced news reports and an open mind can see right through the biased BS you're desperately trying to push.
Apparently, some folks don't understand the meaning of "Fair Trade".
Rams
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Apparently, some folks don't understand the meaning of "Fair Trade".
Wow, you're agreeing with my earlier post then. Canada's apparently been walking all over the US for decades. Aren't you freakin' embarrassed?
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So... you're telling me that the US has been victimized for decades by a country with one tenth the population? I didn't realize what a country of pansies the US must be! lol
Thank gawd for Daddy Trump, eh! He'll show those nasty Canucks who's boss. lol
So... you're telling me that the US has been victimized for decades by a country with one tenth the population? I didn't realize what a country of pansies the US must be! lol
Todd, I hope you don't actually believe all the nonsense that you post. You might have the other two or three MAGAnauts in P&R nodding their heads in approval, but anyone with access to balanced news reports and an open mind can see right through the biased BS you're desperately trying to push.
Not victimized... it's been our own fault. We've allowed our own exploitation for a long time. I can't tell you why, but the previous presidents have allowed Canada to basically take advantage of the United States. Prior to the USMC, you used to implement a tax on anything not made in Canada. This was a loophole that would otherwise have violated NAFTA. What resulted was literally every U.S. parts manufacturer, from AC DELCO / DELPHI to MotorCraft, etc... even car manufacturing plants (like the St. Theresa plant) all moved to Canada. That way, they could sell / ship their parts to the United States AND Canada, and not face any taxation.
Trump is the first president to basically say... no more, and it seems you're upset by it. My opinion of "free trade" is where there are no tariffs at all, on any goods, from any country. The ability to sell things between two countries with no mark up... and no sneaky gimmicks like Canada had.
Originally posted by Patrick:Canada's apparently been walking all over the US for decades. Aren't you freakin' embarrassed?
Buying our friends is and has always been something I was against. How's it feel to be bought and paid for? Canada isn't the only country that has taken advantage of US trade policies for sure. Other countries are listening and learning. US companies should be looking at moving their facilities back to the US.
Embarrassment would be prevalent if, we were the leach. How's that feel?
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Rams
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This obsession you have with posting a representation of Donald's limp wick is getting creepy.
I do understand you attempting to distract and avoid answering any questions about how Canada's leadership not only fails but actively seeks to avoid paying their fair share. Since you brought this subject up. It is somewhat concerning that you relate the picture to DJT's "wick" though........................... Hopefully, that's not something you think about often.
Rams
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It is somewhat concerning that you relate the picture to DJT's "wick" though........................... Hopefully, that's not something you think about often.
This week it's all the rage. You might've heard... South Park totally destroyed Trump. It was beautiful. lol
(You'll have to sign in to YouTube to view this, but it's so worth it.)
You probably don't have an account with YouTube to sign in to, and I'd hate for you to miss out on all the fun... so this other part of the South Park episode is presented here for your enjoyment.
I do understand you attempting to distract and avoid answering any questions about how Canada's leadership not only fails but actively seeks to avoid paying their fair share. Since you brought this subject up. It is somewhat concerning that you relate the picture to DJT's "wick" though........................... Hopefully, that's not something you think about often.
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This week it's all the rage. You might've heard... South Park totally destroyed Trump. It was beautiful. lol
Thanks, but no thanks, I don't do weird, sick or think about other men's wicks. But whatever makes you happy. When you get around to other things, please respond with something that answers the questions about Canada pulling their weight or how it feels to leach off of other nations.
Rams
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Yet, you kowtow to a man (using that term loosely) who was sticking his in a pron star while Melania was pregnant with Baron. What a role model!
Still avoiding responding to any of the questions relating to Canada not pulling its own weight. Just admit it, it's alright being a leach. I have other Canadian friends who are embarrassed by their government's actions. They don't like leaching off of other nations.
I want to hear more about how the US has been "exploited" by every country on the planet. Only a nation full of pansies would allow that to happen. How does it feel to be one of them?
I want to hear more about how the US has been "exploited" by every country on the planet. Only a nation full of pansies would allow that to happen. How does it feel to be one of them?
It does appear that we've been buying our friends, I am not impressed by that. But DJT is doing something about that. Now that I've responded to your question, how about responding to mine?
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
It does appear that we've been buying our friends...
So... why would that be necessary? Isn't that kind of sad?
But no, "buying" one's friends doesn't compare at all with being "exploited" by every country on the planet, as has been stated. Not even in the same ball park.
I think I see Todd. Which one are you?
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Obviously, there isn't any valid response to my questions coming from you, that doesn't mean I won't keep asking but you go ahead and enjoy your "wick" loving cartoons and leaching off of the US. Eventually, your leadership will cave or, the US/Canadian relationship will continue to deteriorate. While I'd hate to see that, I doubt it will affect me personally very much.
I want to hear more about how the US has been "exploited" by every country on the planet. Only a nation full of pansies would allow that to happen. How does it feel to be one of them?
This is basically the point in any discussion where you've "lost" and don't really know what else to say, but you keep it up by trying to say things you think will upset others.
In response to this:
"And of course, US corporations have never ever ever milked other countries from around the world. OMG Todd, open your mind! This whining and crying about the US being "exploited" by everyone on the planet is pathetic."
I'm definitely not crying about it. I voted, Trump won, and now we're fixing it. The crying is rather coming from you. There's been post after post after post after post, and multiple threads started by you since even before Trump won again, how upset you are about the tariffs.
I get it... I'd probably be upset if I were you too. It's humbling (and not in a good way) when another country can boss your country around.
Not only are you a doctor, but you're also a comedian!
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I get it...
No Todd, you're as clueless as usual.
I thought Americans had some balls. How the heck could the US be "exploited" by the rest of the world, for decades no less, unless its citizens were total pansies. No backbone. You paint a poor picture of the American people. If I was a US citizen, I'd be plenty ticked off at what you're implying.
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...it's been our own fault. We've allowed our own exploitation for a long time.
"Projection personified" refers to the psychological concept of projection, where someone unconsciously attributes their own unacceptable thoughts, feelings, or behaviors to others, essentially turning those internal experiences into external traits of another person. It's a defense mechanism, often used to avoid confronting uncomfortable aspects of oneself by placing them onto someone else.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
What is Projection?
Unconscious Process: Projection is usually an unconscious process, meaning the person doing the projecting isn't aware they're doing it.
Attributing Own Qualities: It involves taking something about oneself (like a feeling, thought, or behavior) and attributing it to someone else.
Defense Mechanism: Projection is often used as a way to cope with difficult or unwanted emotions, thoughts, or impulses by disowning them and projecting them onto someone else.
Examples of Projection:
Jealousy: A person who is secretly jealous of a friend might accuse their partner of being jealous.
Insecurity: Someone who is insecure about their job performance might constantly criticize their coworkers for making mistakes.
Anger: A person who is frustrated might project anger onto others, believing they are angry at them.
Negative Traits: A person who is dishonest might accuse others of being untrustworthy.
Why is it called "Projection Personified"?
The term "projection personified" highlights how someone's internal experience is literally “projected” onto another person, making that person seem to embody the traits or behaviors that are actually within the projector. It's as if the person being projected upon is now a living, breathing representation of the projector's inner world.
In essence, "projection personified" is a way of describing how someone's internal conflicts or undesirable qualities are manifested and externalized onto another person, making that person a living embodiment of the projector's own issues.
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Obviously, there isn't any valid response to my questions coming from you, that doesn't mean I won't keep asking but you go ahead and enjoy your "wick" loving cartoons and leaching off of the US. Eventually, your leadership will cave or, the US/Canadian relationship will continue to deteriorate. While I'd hate to see that, I doubt it will affect me personally very much.
From what I’ve found, the U.S. last year ran a $63 billion trade deficit with Canada. That gap is because the U.S. imports significant amounts of oil from Canada. Adjusted for those oil imports, the U.S. ran a $50.9 billion surplus, mostly because of services. It seems to me if this trade war that Donald has declared moves ahead on Friday, the USA will be on the losing side in the long term.
The U.S. imports Canadian oil because it’s cheaper to import it and refine it for mid-west consumers than to refine and ship West Texas crude tithe upper U.S. Loss of this oil will hurt consumers.
Can Canada find buyers for its crude oil other than the U.S.? Definitely. Its availability on the world markets will lower costs for the rest of the world by increasing supply. Will U.S . consumers pay more for oil? Definitely will if Canadian Crude is tariffed.
My take: if Canada if subjected to tariffs both countries will suffer but the USA is likely to suffer more
BTW Rams, I understand & applaud your “buy American” actions. I don’t think it’s possible to replace everything that you purchase and to make it have an impact, you need to get more than just you to participate. However, the chances of that are slim unless there is a war or some wholesale governmental ban on Canadian imports.
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Patrick, not sure really what you're even saying. But yes, the United States was being taken advantage of for quite a long time. President Trump is putting a halt to this, and yes... it's causing pain to other countries, like Canada. I'm still not sure where you're going with the crying though. Why would I be crying about something that's going exactly how I want it? I also don't understand at all the whole "projection" thing you keep stating that everyone here but you is somehow suffering from.
I don't have a psychology degree, but I'm going to be starting one this summer. A few years ago, someone said... "what, do you have a law degree?" when debating some law ... and then the whole, you're not qualified to make that determination, blah blah. And I was like... you know... that would be fun. So yes, I do now have a law degree. Haha. And now, in the next two-three years, will also have a psychology degree, and thus will be qualified to make an assessment of whether you stating that others have projection, is really you just projecting.
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From what I’ve found, the U.S. last year ran a $63 billion trade deficit with Canada. That gap is because the U.S. imports significant amounts of oil from Canada. Adjusted for those oil imports, the U.S. ran a $50.9 billion surplus, mostly because of services. It seems to me if this trade war that Donald has declared moves ahead on Friday, the USA will be on the losing side in the long term.
The U.S. imports Canadian oil because it’s cheaper to import it and refine it for mid-west consumers than to refine and ship West Texas crude tithe upper U.S. Loss of this oil will hurt consumers.
Can Canada find buyers for its crude oil other than the U.S.? Definitely. Its availability on the world markets will lower costs for the rest of the world by increasing supply. Will U.S . consumers pay more for oil? Definitely will if Canadian Crude is tariffed.
My take: if Canada if subjected to tariffs both countries will suffer but the USA is likely to suffer.
I agree with everything you said, except this line: "My take: if Canada if subjected to tariffs both countries will suffer but the USA is likely to suffer."
If this was meant to suggest that the USA will suffer "more" (which you did not explicitly say), then I would disagree. All the major financial firms suggests that the pain will be (and is being) felt much more significantly by Canada than the United States. The U.S. is a consumer-oriented country, for the most part. Canada, less so. Canada relies on the United States for a huge portion of its GDP.
I think we know how this ends... love it or hate it, I think Trump will end up on the winning side of this. Trump just made a major EU trade agreement, just signed one with South Korea and Japan, the only real holdouts now are Canada and China. I don't think Canada makes it through August without crying uncle and making a deal. Personally, I think they sign a deal by the end of next week, if not by this weekend. That said, it will and has already negatively impacted the United States.
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BTW Rams, I understand & applaud your “buy American” actions. I don’t think it’s possible to replace everything that you purchase and to make it have an impact, you need to get more than just you to participate. However, the chances of that are slim unless there is a war or some wholesale governmental ban on Canadian imports.
I am only one person, my purchasing power is limited as is my ability to influence others. In some situations, there isn't an American made product available and when that happens, one has to make a decision. I agree that there won't be a wholesale government ban on Canadian imports and I don't believe I'd support that anyway. Having said that, I do support a level playing field and we're not getting that with Canada and several other countries.
Originally posted by Patrick: I want to hear more about how the US has been "exploited" by every country on the planet. Only a nation full of pansies would allow that to happen. How does it feel to be one of them?
I want to hear more about how Canadians feel by being exploited by the Canadian government. If you buy anything from us, you have to pay more to ship it over your border.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I agree with everything you said, except this line: "My take: if Canada if subjected to tariffs both countries will suffer but the USA is likely to suffer."
If this was meant to suggest that the USA will suffer "more" (which you did not explicitly say), then I would disagree. All the major financial firms suggests that the pain will be (and is being) felt much more significantly by Canada than the United States. The U.S. is a consumer-oriented country, for the most part. Canada, less so. Canada relies on the United States for a huge portion of its GDP.
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I think we know how this ends... love it or hate it, I think Trump will end up on the winning side of this. Trump just made a major EU trade agreement, just signed one with South Korea and Japan, the only real holdouts now are Canada and China. I don't think Canada makes it through August without crying uncle and making a deal. Personally, I think they sign a deal by the end of next week, if not by this weekend. That said, it will and has already negatively impacted the United States.
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meh… We’ll see. As far as making a deal, Don says a lot of things and calls a lot of things “deals”. The only thing he’s shown is that he can’t be trusted in anything. Friends, allies, frenemies, enemies, no one trusts him in the international arena and as a result, people of other nations don’t trust Americans. It’s sad that it’s come to this but the u.s. is not the only nation on this planet.
meh… We’ll see. As far as making a deal, Don says a lot of things and calls a lot of things “deals”. The only thing he’s shown is that he can’t be trusted in anything. Friends, allies, frenemies, enemies, no one trusts him in the international arena and as a result, people of other nations don’t trust Americans. It’s sad that it’s come to this but the u.s. is not the only nation on this planet.
I'll address that last part. The United States shouldn't be concerned about trying to make everyone like them. I'm not as old as you, but I've been traveling internationally my entire life... and every country I go to... there's a general dislike of the American president, regardless of whether it was Reagan, Clinton, Bush, or even Obama. I'd have to say the least "hated" internationally was Obama... but they all despised Biden as basically imbecilic, hated Bush, hated Reagan, felt Clinton was just having sex every day in the oval office, and hate Trump because he's mean.
There are levels of concentric circles of concern I have for other countries... with the Netherlands and Argentina a close 2nd and 3rd... but the U.S., for obvious reasons, is the one I care most about.
Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: meh… We’ll see. As far as making a deal, Don says a lot of things and calls a lot of things “deals”. The only thing he’s shown is that he can’t be trusted in anything. Friends, allies, frenemies, enemies, no one trusts him in the international arena and as a result, people of other nations don’t trust Americans. It’s sad that it’s come to this but the u.s. is not the only nation on this planet.
Mike, a bad deal is still a deal. Is Putin trusted with his allies, frenemies, or enemies ? In the international arena ? Putin does not cause me to distrust Russians. I have known some women who violated my trust. And friends. That does not make me distrust other women, or you.
Do you trust all lawyers, salesmen, car salesmen ?
I didn't realize what a country of pansies the US must be! lol
Isn't that kind of sad?
