As much as you might wish to believe it, repeating that over and over and over and over and over again doesn't make it true.
I gave you proof... multiple links, most from liberal news sites, that there was election meddling and fraud. Whether Dominion was directly responsible for it, or the local state election divisions, is a completely different story. You proclaim there was absolutely no fraud, I've proven to you that there was... it was through manipulation of the laws... which is fraud none the less.
I gave you proof... multiple links, most from liberal news sites, that there was election meddling and fraud. Whether Dominion was directly responsible for it, or the local state election divisions, is a completely different story. You proclaim there was absolutely no fraud, I've proven to you that there was... it was through manipulation of the laws... which is fraud none the less.
when the person with less votes ''wins''
that is a legal FRAUD
THAT WAS 2016
IN 2020 THERE WAS NO SUCH FRAUD
THAT IS WHAT THE Gop IS CLAIMING THEY COULD NOT RE-FRAUD AND WIN AGAIN SO CLAIM THEY WERE CHEATED OUT OF A RE-FRAUD
THE Gop ALWAYS CHEATS
NIXON CHEATED WITH LIES ABOUT PEACE IN 68 AND B&E =WATERGATE IN 1972
RAYGUN WITH HOSTAGES IN 80 AND COKE IN 84
BuSh2 BY THE COURT AND JEB IN 2000
THE RUMP BY REAL ESTATE VOTES NEVER MIND THE TOTAL
AND YOUR SIDE THINKS THEY HAVE A DIVINE RIGHT TO WIN BY CHEATING AND ARE UPSET THE PUTSCH FAILED
We have an Electoral College. This is clearly defined in Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution. It's not fraud... and it's not new. It's always been this way, since the founding of the U.S. Constitution.. This is done intentionally to give every state a more equal vote.
You are allowed to have opinions, but not your own set of facts.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: "Come on man!" as Joe would say.
We have an Electoral College. This is clearly defined in Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution. It's not fraud... and it's not new. It's always been this way, since the founding of the U.S. Constitution.. This is done intentionally to give every state a more equal vote.
You are allowed to have opinions, but not your own set of facts.
FACTS ARE 3 MILLION LESS ''WINS'' = FRAUD
no debate no question
problem is they expected to re-fraud in 2020 and revolted when they did not
the first fraud led to the putsch fraud in 2020
and 3 years later more BS when even fox gives up and pays
joe won the rump lost and true colors show in the putsch
Look, I'm sure there are suspicious activities and questionable tactics by all sides in an election... and I suspect the 2020 US election was no different. Do I believe that the sum total of "suspicious activities and questionable tactics" by the Democrats led to Donald Trump being turfed out of office? No, I do not. I think he took care of that all by himself.
Yes, no doubt there was some level of inconsistency and fraud which might've transpired during the 2020 election, as probably occurs with elections almost anywhere. Was it enough to "steal" the election for Joe Biden? -- No, it was not. -- At some point you and all the others who desperately cling to this notion need to move on... for your own good.
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Yes, no doubt there was some level of inconsistency and fraud which might've transpired during the 2020 election, as probably occurs with elections almost anywhere. Was it enough to "steal" the election for Joe Biden? -- No, it was not. -- At some point you and all the others who desperately cling to this notion need to move on... for your own good.
Because YOU say that you believe there was not enough to change the vote, does not make it so. It makes your claim absolutely no more valid than mine; however, there are multiple states Supreme Courts that have ruled that Democrats wantonly violated state laws... like... to an absurd degree, using COVID as an excuse. We KNOW that fraud in these elections was rampant... because they were doing things that were ILLEGAL under state law. But... not allowed.. but ignored, because the Democrats used COVID to allow it.
PERIOD... nothing else here matters... it's really messed up, and I hope after reading those links, you would understand why all of us on the right are *****ing* pissed off.
And if it wasn't an "I told you so..." the economy is **** , literally everything that could have gone wrong has gone wrong... and I remember what the economy was like just before the pandemic in 2020.
"Inflation is continuing to come down, and people tend to react to inflation on a very short term basis." Boston Consulting Group Global Chair Rich Lesser discusses the Biden economy as the president announces his reelection bid.
Because YOU say that you believe there was not enough to change the vote, does not make it so.
Totally agree.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
It makes your claim absolutely no more valid than mine....
Not exactly. All of Trump's court challenges got squashed. He had the best lawyers that money could buy, and yet got nowhere with his claims. That tells me all I need to know.
Not exactly. All of Trump's court challenges got squashed. He had the best lawyers that money could buy, and yet got nowhere with his claims. That tells me all I need to know.
Our laws do not allow the overturning of an election. It's never been done before at a Federal level. That's why they were all thrown out.
- You have every swing state stating that Democrats violated all of the election laws. - You have multiple organizations that colluded with Democrats to suppress vital FACTUAL information on social media to support Biden. - You had multiple investigations into Trump, all of which led to nothing, but with the intent to hurt his reputation. - You have MULTIPLE instances of the FBI spying on reporters and Republicans, completely against FISA law, with multiple people getting arrested and jailed, all to support Biden.
... and you still sit here and say there was little to no election meddling and fraud?
It's all a circle jerk, which is coincidentally what the left is best at.
Ya'll don't listen, but we've been saying for years now that FOX is a left wing organization. It's ran by RINOS, and they get rid of ALL personalities that don't tow the line.
Look, I'm sure there are suspicious activities and questionable tactics by all sides in an election... and I suspect the 2020 US election was no different. Do I believe that the sum total of "suspicious activities and questionable tactics" by the Democrats led to Donald Trump being turfed out of office? No, I do not. I think he took care of that all by himself.
Todd, you and I can talk armadillos and Fieros all day long... but engaging in political "discussion" is a total waste of time for all involved.
It's all a circle jerk, which is coincidentally what the left is best at.
Ya'll don't listen, but we've been saying for years now that FOX is a left wing organization. It's ran by RINOS, and they get rid of ALL personalities that don't tow the line.
I wonder about the "we" that Fats has referenced. Is this the "royal we" that certain forum members are in the habit of using? Kind of like someone referring to themself in the third person? But that's of secondary import.
If Fats is looking on, I think he may want to try his hand at some online fact-checking, because based on what I have found online, I do not think there is any truth whatsoever in that Twitter message that Fats has posted.
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The Dominion company that Blackrock holds stock in is Dominion Resources, an energy company. It's not Dominion Voting Systems, which is a privately held company.
According to this CNN Business page, BlackRock Fund Advisors owns just over 7.5 million shares of Fox Corp, which is just over a 3% stake in Fox Corp for BlackRock. BlackRock has a substantial shareholder's stake in Fox Corp, but it's not even close to the nearly controlling stock ownership of the Murdoch family. BlackRock is among the top 10 owners of the Fox Corporation, aside from the Murdoch family, but it doesn't stand out from this list, which is topped by Vanguard's holding of almost 7% of the stock. https://money.cnn.com/quote...ubView=institutional
I try not to succumb to hubris, so I won't say that maybe there is something here that I don't understand. But unless or until Fats or someone on his "team" comes forward and posts about what it is that I am missing, my leading theory is that the "circle jerk" is all on Fats himself and whoever else is part of his "royal we".
Originally posted by Patrick Here: I'm not interested in going in perpetual circles with you.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Todd, you and I can talk armadillos and Fieros all day long... but engaging in political "discussion" is a total waste of time for all involved.
I remember when, ... , you were decrying politics when it was allowed in T/OT. You engaged in it but then cried foul because others questioned you. You asked that all no longer engage you. Because you were tired of it. That it was a total waste of time.
I obliged you.
Now you seem to have come off the porch to play with the big dogs.
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I remember when, ... , you were decrying politics when it was allowed in T/OT.
Correct. I (and others) were sick and tired of every topic in OT being dragged down and politicized by the usual suspects. OT is much more pleasant now with politics (mostly) eliminated from it.
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Originally posted by cliffw:
You engaged in it but then cried foul because others questioned you.
Aw, Cliff is upset that I feel no obligation to answer his endless questions. Again, that's just too bad. If you don't like your questions being ignored, just stop asking them.
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Originally posted by cliffw:
I obliged you.
You da man.
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Originally posted by cliffw:
Now you seem to have come off the porch to play with the big dogs.
OMG... It's a good thing I wasn't drinking coffee when I read that... I would've sprayed it all over my PC monitor!
So... you consider yourself a "big dog" here, do you? Look, just because you ran JazzMan off this forum, don't let that go to your head. You're just one voice on this forum... as is every other member of PFF... including myself. You're nothing special.
According to this CNN Business page, BlackRock Fund Advisors owns just over 7.5 million shares of Fox Corp, which is just over a 3% stake in Fox Corp for BlackRock. BlackRock has a substantial shareholder's stake in Fox Corp, but it's not even close to the nearly controlling stock ownership of the Murdoch family. BlackRock is among the top 10 owners of the Fox Corporation, aside from the Murdoch family, but it doesn't stand out from this list, which is topped by Vanguard's holding of almost 7% of the stock. https://money.cnn.com/quote...ubView=institutional
I try not to succumb to hubris, so I won't say that maybe there is something here that I don't understand. But unless or until Fats or someone on his "team" comes forward and posts about what it is that I am missing, my leading theory is that the "circle jerk" is all on Fats himself and whoever else is part of his "royal we".
Originally posted by Patrick: So... you consider yourself a "big dog" here, do you? Look, just because you ran JazzMan off this forum, don't let that go to your head. You're just one voice on this forum... as is every other member of PFF... including myself. You're nothing special.
OMG indeed. Did I say I was a big dog ? You I think have heard that analogy phrase millions of times. Perhaps, you have even uttered it.
Do you really blame me for JazzMan leaving the forum, and literally taking home all his marbles ? Why ? Are you trying to impune my character ? Are you trying to offend me ? Not 'gonna work.
My condolences to you. For losing a politically commonly agreeing member of the Forum. I honestly miss him also.
I am something special. As is JazzMan. As are you.
I heard muttered on this Forum that JazzMan suffered from Autism. I reject that description. Autism is a gift from God. My Grandson also has that gift. I love him to death (relax Patrick, just a phrase). I treat him no differently. He, like JazzMan is highly intelligent. That is only part of the gift from God. (Is that why us mortals say those with Autism suffer from it?)
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Originally posted by Patrick: OMG... It's a good thing I wasn't drinking coffee when I read that... I would've sprayed it all over my PC monitor!
I spewed beer all over my keyboard when I read that.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: If Fats is looking on, I think he may want to try his hand at some online fact-checking, because based on what I have found online, ...
We know what you have found online. You fact check with blinders on.
Originally posted by williegoat: That is Commander K-9, Marvin's trusty assistant.
I discovered that. GearJammer, I used to have a Doberman I named Dee O Gee. Long for dog. I later had another Doberman named Otis. Because the one before it, when scolded, would go to his crate. Just like Otis would do on the Andy Griffith show.
Should I take on another Dobie, his name will be K-9.
I'll allow you to carry on with your crapfest, I guess. You have my permission.
That comes across as a grudging admission that this Twitter or Twitter-like message, that Fats had posted into this thread, looks to be "bigly" in error, based on what I uncovered about it online:
The "goodness" of the Fox Corporation and Fox News lends itself to debate, but what about the BlackRock "narrative" in this message image that Fats posted? Where does it come from? And why is there a predisposition (on the part of some) to believe it? Did Fats see value in this BlackRock narrative, even if he was not entirely "sold" on its authenticity? And if Fats did see value in it, what kind of value did he see? Did that message come from the same online "porta potty" as this deceiving message, which reveals ignorance on the part of those who created and displayed this image? Ignorance of the distinction that scientists make between icebergs and glaciers, in terms of understanding sea levels.
Or this image, which is one of the dumbest cartoons or memes that have ever been posted on this forum?
Do all of these images come from the same online porta potty? Or from different porta potties? And is a comfortably reclining and luxuriously leather-upholstered passenger seat of a Lincoln Navigator a mighty fine place to contemplate this question?
"You make the call."
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