Cliff... is this in the Van Gogh museum in Holland? I've been there, but I'm not particularly an art connoisseur, so I don't particularly remember this one.
Originally posted by Hudini: It was a spot-on meme. Posted again because ...
So the entire "Green Energy" thing is as ridiculous as these "Just Stop Oil" morons in the museum? That's what I'm "getting" from that meme. The "vibe" from that meme, and many of the other memes that Wichita has been putting on display here.
It's not like there's anything dislikable that ever comes from the production, distribution and usage of fossil fuels.
Why would anyone even think about it?
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So you hear or see something about a new, offshore wind energy project and what? You think the plans for it come directly from the desk of "AOC" or somebody like that?
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Asia's first offshore wind power project using flexible DC transmission technology, the cumulative power generation capacity of the Rudong offshore wind farm in China's Jiangsu province exceeds 1 billion kWh. It's designed to have a transmission capacity of 1,100 megawatts, and has the world's currently largest capacity offshore power converter station.
October 8, 2022.
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I think they should build those offshore wind turbines all around Florida. Then, when the next hurricane comes by, they could just turn them into giant fans and blow it back to Cuba. You're welcome.
Sounds silly, huh? Yet some people want you to believe you can run your cars, air conditioners and even airplanes off of those oversized pinwheels. And that will change the weather. Has anybody tried to sell you a bridge lately?
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Forum member Wichita's latest socio-political cartoon.
From Wichita's lips to Joe Biden's ears
Dr. Kathryn Huff is the Assistant Secretary for Nuclear Energy at the U.S. Department of Energy, commonly known as "DOE".
Dr. Huff's credentials are manifest, starting with a PhD in Nuclear Engineering from the University of Wisconsin at Madison, awarded to her in 2013. https://www.energy.gov/ne/person/dr-kathryn-huff
When Dr. Huff considers the recently enacted Inflation Reduction Act, approved by the Senate without a single Republican vote, she sees "Joe-mentum" for a revitalization of the U.S. nuclear energy industry.
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President Joe Biden recently signed the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) into law marking a historic victory for American families across the country.
The new law promises to lower energy bills for U.S. consumers, provide more access to affordable healthcare, and create thousands of good-paying U.S. jobs in the clean energy sector.
With approximately $369 billion in climate provisions, IRA is the most significant piece of climate legislation in U.S. history. Multiple incentives pave the way for our nuclear energy sector to help ensure energy security and cut U.S. emissions by 40% before the end of the decade.
There is a lot to be excited about in this landmark legislation and the Office of Nuclear Energy can’t wait to support IRA’s implementation.
Momentum is building for U.S. nuclear energy and the investments and tax incentives included in IRA guarantee a commitment to nuclear energy that will continue well throughout the nation’s journey to net-zero.
PRODUCTION TAX CREDITS FOR EXISTING REACTORS One real IRA game changer for nuclear energy is a production tax credit to help preserve the existing fleet of nuclear plants.
This is a huge priority for our office.
The zero-emission nuclear power production credit provides up to $15 per megawatt-hour for the electricity produced by the plants assuming that labor and wage requirements are met.
This is available for facilities in service in 2024 and would last through 2032, keeping existing reactors competitive with other power generators.
The production tax credit along with the Civil Nuclear Credit (CNC) program, established by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL), will support our existing fleet and make sure America maintains its largest source of clean power as well as the high-paying jobs that accompany it!
INCENTIVIZING ADVANCED NUCLEAR DEPLOYMENT IRA also includes several tax incentives for clean energy technologies, including advanced reactors.
Taxpayers will be able to choose from a technology-neutral production tax credit of $25 per megawatt-hour for the first ten years of plant operation or a 30% investment tax credit on new zero-carbon power plants placed into operation in 2025 or after.
Only one of these credits can be applied to a single facility but both do include a 10% bonus if the power plant is built at a brown field site or a fossil energy community—ensuring social and energy justice for all Americans.
Above and beyond these credits, new and existing reactors can also leverage new production tax credits for up to ten years to generate clean hydrogen, which could expand market opportunities for current and future reactor technologies.
[INVESTING IN A NUCLEAR FUEL SUPPLY CHAIN] Finally, IRA invests $700 million to support the development of a domestic supply chain for high-assay low-enriched uranium, commonly referred to as HALEU.
This higher enriched fuel is urgently needed to support the deployment of advanced reactors, including DOE’s two demonstration projects with TerraPower and X-energy.
Establishing a U.S. HALEU supply can also play a role in eliminating our current dependence on Russia for 20% of the enrichment and conversion services needed for our nuclear fuel supply.
This money must be applied by 2026 and we plan to use these funds quickly and efficiently to address the industry’s most pressing needs.
IRA also allocates $150 million to our office to improve the overall R&D infrastructure at our national labs that could also support these and other nuclear energy research capabilities!
MAINTAINING MOMENTUM With the recent passage of the BIL, IRA, and CHIPS and Science Act, the U.S. is putting its money where its mouth is to deliver a brighter, cleaner, and more prosperous economic future for our country.
Recent DOE analysis estimates that the clean energy provisions from IRA and BIL alone could reduce carbon emissions by 1 million metric tons as we drive technology innovation to enable longer-term emissions reductions across our industrial, transportation and power sectors.
This is a truly a transformative time for our country and I can’t wait to see the impact nuclear energy will make toward our clean energy future as a result of this IRA legislation.
"Inflation Reduction Act Keeps Momentum Building for Nuclear Power" Dr. Kathryn Huff for the Office of Nuclear Energy at the U.S. Department of Energy; September 8, 2022. https://www.energy.gov/ne/a...ilding-nuclear-power
Harmless water vapor rises as clouds of steam from the cooling towers at the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station near Tonopah, Arizona.
"Nuclear Joe"
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Windmills simulation over actual footage, a 240 meter container ship rendering scale to the proposed project. The island is not really there either, an added feature. You will note that is a diesel container ship, because there are few electric engines available to power ships, or cities, yet. So far, the only viable non-petroleum vessels are naval nukes, driving silent service u-boats, aircraft carriers, far too expensive for commercial applications. Experimental generators, in a supplemental role is an admirable endeavor, and if the results are positive, a larger scale deployment should be undertaken. A financial boondoggle, on the other hand, should be recognized as a burden not worthy of further investment, and far too expensive. A floating generator in the Bay of Fundy, now, that should be built asap, because the lunar tides of 53', 16 meters. The Highest Tides Think of a design, a floating generator set, up and down all day long, for all time, simple and cheap. : T. Edison Lightbulb ! :
On October 18, 2022, the Department of the Interior announced that the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management will hold an offshore wind energy lease sale on [December 6, 2022] for areas on the Outer Continental Shelf off central and northern California. . . .
There are tracts within the two green "dots" on the map that are being offered to qualified bidders. These tracts are 20 or more miles offshore, and are envisioned as areas where floating wind turbine platform designs are likely to be favored, because of the greater depth of the seabed this far out from the coastline.
Florida is one of several states in the Southeast where wind energy is virtually nonexistent, which is one reason wind farms have not been an economically viable energy source in the region. But a new study from the FAMU-FSU College of Engineering shows how upcoming technological advances could make wind energy a hot commodity in the Sunshine State.
Sean Martin, a researcher in civil and environmental engineering, is working with an interdisciplinary team of scientists to examine wind resource characteristics at nine different locations in Florida. Their analysis will help the wind industry and policymakers know how viable wind energy production using developing technologies could be.
Their work was published in the journal Applied Energy.
“With advances in turbine technology, taller towers, larger rotor diameter and new control systems, we will be able to provide low-cost wind power to low-wind regions, such as Florida and the Southeast,” Martin said. “The increased hub heights and taller turbines can take advantage of greater wind speeds that occur higher up to harvest more wind power.”
Compared to states like Texas or Iowa, the wind in Florida is not something wind farms can profitably capture at the moment. Wind speeds are slower because of increased surface friction and turbulence caused by buildings, trees and other obstructions. Most utility-scale turbines installed in the United States are west of the Mississippi River, where more favorable wind speeds, greater than 13 miles per hour, are prevalent.
But using new tools that can capture wind energy at higher elevations, where wind speeds are faster, might make wind energy feasible.
So how tall are these turbines? The average height of most existing on-shore turbines from the ground to the top of the blades is more than 380 feet, similar to a 32-story building. The new, taller turbines are almost twice the height at 660 feet, close to the height of a 55-story building, and are the kind of wind turbines that will be most useful in Florida.
Martin is collaborating with Arda Vanli, an associate professor of industrial and manufacturing engineering, and Sungmoon Jung, an associate professor of civil and environmental engineering.
“I don't think anybody can predict the timing for wind energy,” Jung said. “We almost had it a few years ago. There was a private company that proposed a wind farm in Florida, but the company withdrew the plan because the technology at the time was not economical enough. I hope we will see wind energy in the future as technology improves.”
One of the things the researchers are looking at is the capacity of wind turbines to operate at different sites. Wind speed varies, so turbines must be able to spin at different velocities. Researchers want to know what percentage of time in a year that the turbine can operate at full capacity. In general, turbines that generate at least 30 percent of their total capacity are more economical for utility-scale wind power. The data will be able to predict the best areas in Florida to place the new turbines based on their ability to produce wind energy at specific sites.
“The key is finding and identifying characteristic patterns in the wind data,” Martin said. “Once we establish the patterns, the data can assist in site selection and can improve energy estimation measures to help industry and policymakers make decisions on where wind farms are most profitable.”
There are other factors the researchers must consider when choosing a site for a wind farm. Safety for birds, noise from rotors and the fact that some people may find wind turbines unsightly are all considerations.
When including some of these elements with wind speed data, the scientists found that the best locations for wind farms appear to be in rural areas of northwest, central and southern Florida.
“Site selection is an important decision, especially in low-wind power areas,” Vanli said. “Transporting huge wind turbines to these locations is a significant investment and having good data can eventually determine whether the investment will be successful or not.”
Wind energy is gaining significant attention both from academia and industry. New, affordable methods for generating renewable energy are on the horizon. Wind farms could be viable in Florida within this decade, and turbines even taller than the ones used for this research could be more prevalent in the future.
“The real question is whether factors such as public perception, acceptance and environmental factors will prevent this resource from being developed,” Martin said. “We hope the research will add additional renewables to the U.S. energy portfolio and can offset our reliance on a single fuel source, adding energy security to meet a growing need.”
A "Copy and Paste" from the online footprint of the Florida A&M University and Florida Statue University College of Engineering; dated July 31, 2020.
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Offshore wind power or offshore wind energy is the generation of electricity through wind farms in bodies of water, usually at sea. There are higher wind speeds offshore than on land, so offshore farms generate more electricity per amount of capacity installed. Offshore wind farms are also less controversial[citation needed] than those on land, as they have less impact on people and the landscape.
Unlike the typical use of the term "offshore" in the marine industry, offshore wind power includes inshore water areas such as lakes, fjords and sheltered coastal areas as well as deeper-water areas. Most offshore wind farms employ fixed-foundation wind turbines in relatively shallow water. As of 2020, floating wind turbines for deeper waters were in the early phase of development and deployment.
As of 2020, the total worldwide offshore wind power nameplate capacity was 35.3 gigawatt (GW). United Kingdom (29%), China (28%) and Germany (22%) account for more than 75% of the global installed capacity. The 1.2 GW Hornsea Project One in the United Kingdom was the world's largest offshore wind farm. Other projects in the planning stage include Dogger Bank in the United Kingdom at 4.8 GW, and Greater Changhua in Taiwan at 2.4 GW.
The cost of offshore has historically been higher than that of onshore, but costs decreased to $78/MWh in 2019. Offshore wind power in Europe became price-competitive with conventional power sources in 2017. Offshore wind generation grew at over 30 percent per year in the 2010s. As of 2020, offshore wind power had become a significant part of northern Europe power generation, though it remained less than 1 percent of overall world electricity generation. A big advantage of offshore wind power compared to onshore wind power is the higher capacity factor meaning that an installation of given nameplate capacity will produce more electricity at a site with more consistent and stronger wind which is usually found offshore and only at very few specific points onshore.
I have traveled through portions of local states where wind farms exist.
They are a huge eyesore and spoil the natural beauty of the areas.
They are, in my eyes, an abomination to Nature. They are intrusive. The people I have spoke with that live near them hate them with a passion.
I would much prefer atomic energy or in some cases, solar farms.
How often do you travel 20 or more miles offshore? At that distance, even the largest wind turbines that have been installed to date are invisible from any location on the coastline.
I've been decorating (literally) the forum with presentations related to the DOE's "Floating Offshore Wind Shot" venture.
I like to provide contrast to the shallowness of the memes, the glib socio-political cartoons and just downright fatheaded rudeness that is on abundant display on this forum. it's largely an aesthetic "thing" for me. Even if no one else hardly takes a look, I like to do it..
We are living in a time of complexity in the energy sector. Many people are putting a positive value on a diversified energy production sector, partly because of the risks of putting all the eggs in just one or two baskets (so to speak), and partly because of the difficulty of achieving consensus about the best ways to produce energy.
I have sentimental reasons (frankly) for liking the idea of Offshore Wind. I look for presentations that seem persuasive to me that it's important and should be part of America's and the entire world's energy portfolio. But I only see it as among the better possibilities that are imaginable. I'm not "total wind". Oklahoma (for example) is far away from any shoreline, but if you postulate more long distance grid connectivity (which has its constituency) even Oklahoma could benefit form floating offshore wind installations in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Harmless water vapor rises as clouds of steam from the cooling towers at the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station near Tonopah, Arizona.
"Nuclear Joe"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that steam is NOT harmless. It changes the natural weather patterns. You're making rain/floods/hurricanes/etc. else where. Areas that already have too much or none. Geo-engineering. Water cycle 101.
Have you ever seen a power plant, especially a nuclear one in full operation in different temperatures? Cloud makers.
I've been decorating (literally) the forum with presentations related to the DOE's "Floating Offshore Wind Shot" venture.
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Spamming more like it. Our Government is not a business nor a bank to give money (venture capitol) to companies that for the most part have enough profits to invest and construct these projects (if economicly/financially feasible) themselves. They (gov entities) only do it if it helps them financially as individuals through twisted commie/socialist authoritarian jackboot methods. Threats. But then again since after reconstruction, crony-capitalism has been dominant in the USA. Just like education/religion/human living/family. They (gov) are there to wreck it all.
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We are living in a time of complexity in the energy sector.
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Complexity since government involvement and tinkering for C-O-N-T-R-O-L-L.
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I have sentimental reasons (frankly) for liking the idea of Offshore Wind.
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Feelings, whoa whoa whoa. Nothing more than feeeeellings... (Sing it with me now)
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I'm not "total wind". Oklahoma (for example) is far away from any shoreline, but if you postulate more long distance grid connectivity (which has its constituency) even Oklahoma could benefit form floating offshore wind installations in the Gulf of Mexico.
Then a cat (#) hurricane comes...
And California, earthquake.
Wonder how it would be if all mobile machines running on total green energy would react when a natural disaster strikes and takes out all the offshore wind farms in California... Barely any realtime energy production to charge all the resources that would be needed to rebuild.
Boats wouldn't be able to charge
Utility trucks wouldn't be able to charge
Regular grid use would stop for residential and commercial
Underground battery storage would drain quickly
And more crap the elitists, who think can C-O-N-T-R-O-L-L nature, won't think of due to their stupidity and ignorance
Loss of energy in the transfer from other independent grids
That Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant is less than 40 miles from me. On most days, you can see those steam plumes from 20 miles away. It has been up and running for over 35 years and is perfectly harmless.
The steam plumes are mostly from atmospheric moisture, water that is already in the air. Remember that this is the desert. We are not about to let go of any water we don't have to.
The plant uses 75,000 acre/feet of water each year, most of which is reclaimed waste water.
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Originally posted by olejoedad: Floating wind turbines don't make much sense due to the amount of petroleum lubricants contained in the mechanisms.
I seriously doubt that is a significant drawback. What happens to the oil when they change it? I can't say that I've ever tried to look it up, but why wouldn't they be able (and willing) to filter and recondition the used wind turbine oil and reuse it in another turbine? I wouldn't think they "burn" anything but a very small fraction of the lubricating oil. Maybe it just goes into the motor oil recycling market, along with all the used motor oil from millions of cars and trucks.
The turbines require maintenance at regular intervals, that means changing the oil, amongst other things.... opportunities for pollution due to spillage.
Of course, I'm sure the maintenance ships will be powered by electricity. 🤔
The turbines require maintenance at regular intervals, that means changing the oil, amongst other things.... opportunities for pollution due to spillage.
Of course, I'm sure [sarcasm] the maintenance ships will be powered by electricity.
That reminds me of the Great Offshore Wind Farm Oil Spill of 2021.
It's like the Prussian Incursion of 1807 ... at the end of this 90-second "YouTube"
A Tesla battery pack is designed to last a million miles. Also they recycle them with a 92% reusable materials extracted after recycling.
I know all these articles mention shortages in a doomsday demand and supply point, like cobalt. The greatest use of cobalt and lithium isn't EVs, it's portable electric products like phones, tablets and laptops. But that's besides the point.
Tesla announced on battery day that they have developed a lithium iron battery that is cobalt free.
I'm sorry folks. As much as you want the EVs market to fail, it will not as they are much more superior to ice cars and will dominate the market within 10-years.
People thought portable computers, internet, cell phones and etc were all fads and used by very few people. EV among them. You may be an old granny holdout and be last to adoption, but you will be driving an electric car as your primary car by the end of this decade.
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My ICE bike is virtually unlimited. Fuel comes in 1 litre cans and I get about 150km out of that. Saddlebags can hold 12 of them, and I can get the stuff just about anywhere if I need more.
The electric coffee-getter I am working on, 50km and I am looking for a plug. Yes it'll be a fun ride, and silent so I dont wake anybody up going for a snack at 2 or 3 am with a screaming engine, but range-wise it's useless as teets on a boar. (Pretty standard set-up, 500w, 36v, 20Ah). My old Eagle got me one (ONE) round-trip to town and back per day, then needed 8 hours to charge. Unlike the truck
Math is a little different for cars/trucks, but the principal and ratios are about the same.
Electric are neat toys and not much more.
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LOL, we all know how that guys "bans" turn out...Alberta and Saskatchewan have already told him to pound sand over the gun thing, and on an individual level we just kinda laugh and point then go do what the hell we want anyway.
He couldnt lead a fat kid to an ice cream, and has about as much "authority" anymore as the fat kid throwing a temper-tantrum for vanilla.
