Because only the government has the wisdom to kill unarmed citizens?
I think all governments think that way. Unfortunately, that attitude travels downhill until the soldier at the bottom says, "I was only following orders".
Wounded Knee Massacre, (December 29, 1890), the slaughter of approximately 150–300 Lakota Indians by United States Army troops in the area of Wounded Knee Creek in southwestern South Dakota.
For gun ownership rates, CNN relied on the Small Arms Survey (SAS), a project of the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva, Switzerland. It estimates civilian arm stocks using a combination of gun sales and registration figures, public surveys, expert estimates and cross-country comparisons. The gun ownership rate per 100 people is not the same as the share of people that own guns, as some may own multiple guns and others may own none.
For firearm deaths totals and rates, CNN used the Global Burden of Disease database compiled by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington. Firearm-related deaths include physical violence (homicide), self-harm (suicide) and unintentional injuries. While rates are preferable for cross-country comparisons, in the case of suicides we illustrated the totals to highlight the gap between the US and other countries.
When comparing US statistics with other developed countries we used a UN definition found in the United Nations' World Economic Situation and Prospects report -- which intends "to reflect basic economic country conditions" and is not strictly aligned with the UN Statistics Division's classification known as M49.
To estimate numbers on mass shootings, including incidents, fatalities, and injuries in the US, CNN typically relies on data from the Gun Violence Archive. To enable international comparisons for this story, we also used data compiled by Jason R. Silva, an assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice at William Paterson University. Silva's definition is narrower than CNN and the GVA's because it excludes incidents involving profit-driven criminal activity, familicide and state-sponsored violence.
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Having read Andrew R. Morral's profile, bio and briefly reviewed some of his work, I have no doubt he'll also hope the police come rescue him.....
Those unwilling to be prepared to defend themselves are also those who will be grateful when someone who is willing to step up saves their asses. (Assuming they survive.)
Having read Andrew R. Morral's profile, bio and briefly reviewed some of his work, I have no doubt he'll also hope the police come rescue him.....
Those unwilling to be prepared to defend themselves are also those who will be grateful when someone who is willing to step up saves their asses. (Assuming they survive.)
Do you see anything coming that would be a step backwards, in your estimation, in this immediate aftermath of the Uvalde atrocity?
In terms of changes in national or state level laws, or regulations, or enforcement policies and attitudes..?
Or maybe just in terms of the general public and its ideas and attitudes?
Do you see anything coming that would be a step backwards, in your estimation, in this immediate aftermath of the Uvalde atrocity?
In terms of changes in national or state level laws, or regulations, or enforcement policies and attitudes..?
Or maybe just in terms of the general public and its ideas and attitudes?
Rinselberg, You're wasting your time asking me anything, I view those who you seem to admire as leaches who do nothing but suck the life out of this freedom loving nation.
Go ahead and be what you admire and hope someone comes to save you or your friends/relatives when the crap hits the fan.
Just remember this, you were warned. I'd rather go down fighting then in a fetal position begging for my life.
I asked why no one had reached out to this kid in another forum and was told teachers and schools do not have the resources to get involved with every emo kids problems. (their words not mine)
So you teachers and spouses of teachers, do the schools not have enough resources to get involved? Is it just simpler to place the blame on guns and not accept that someone could have stopped this kid before any of this happened. I wont even ask about the cops as we already know they let the kids down but that is another story and should perhaps be asked in a different thread.
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I wont even ask about the cops as we already know they let the kids down but that is another story and should perhaps be asked in a different thread.
All I can say at this point is, Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do and see where things went south. I don't have the information the decision maker had at the time he was making those decisions. Do I think the first few LEOs should have gone in and do what they could? Yes. Would I have ordered such a move, hard to say, I wasn't there and don't know what they knew at the time.
What has changed is that far too few understand what Hudini posted above. It is clear that many who do not call themselves Americans, will not understand the significance of the spirit that, for centuries, has made America exceptional. I understand that some are resentful that they never grew up with such unwavering values. Unwavering, yes, American values do not and should not change.
American values include civility, tolerance and patience. Our adversaries know this and have, for far too long, taken advantage of American good will. We have allowed this to get out of hand because another enduring American value is the belief that people are basically good. We can no longer allow those who wish us harm to take advantage of our good nature.
Originally posted by Hudini: I will not give up my inalienable rights. I will not comply.
He may or may not comply (Hudini), but it's not his "inalienable right" to acquire and possess the over 300 rounds of hollow-point 5.56 ammunition and Daniels Defense DDM4 semiautomatic rifle that the Uvalde perpetrator used to kill and maim, and destroy an entire community by his actions at Robb Elementary School on May 24.
"The Second Amendment Does Not Transcend All Others"
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Its text and context don’t ensure an unlimited individual right to bear any kind and number of weapons by anyone.
"Part of the miserable ritual that follows American mass shootings [writes Garrett Epps, in March of 2018] is the lament that nothing can be done unless we get rid of the Second Amendment."
In this 2018 essay, the Professor of Law Emeritus at the University of Baltimore uses his knowledge of constitutional law and of American history and jurisprudence to eviscerate the dangerous and delusional notion that the Second Amendment would confer an "inalienable right" for any private citizen—let alone a private citizen who had just turned 18—to acquire and possess the rifle and ammo that was used in the Uvalde atrocity.
Dr. Epps takes a close look at the text of the Second Amendment—a single sentence of 27 words—and deconstructs its meaning by drawing upon his knowledge of the Articles of Confederation, which preceded the establishment of the Constitution of the United States in 1789.
Laws are the opposite of freedom. Laws are not a reasonable substitute for responsibility. Laws facilitate the abdication of responsibility. The opposite of irresponsible behavior is responsible action. Responsibility is part of a moral code, a set of values, American values.
Laws are the opposite of freedom. Laws are not a reasonable substitute for responsibility. Laws facilitate the abdication of responsibility. The opposite of irresponsible behavior is responsible action. Responsibility is part of a moral code, a set of values, American values.
Dr. Garrett Epps, Professor of Law Emeritus at the University of Baltimore, ponders "a failure to communicate."
Garrett Epps is a moron who writes moronic titles for his moronic articles that expose his moronic lack of understanding of the United States Constitution and only a moron would take anything he writes or says seriously.
"...22,000 people attended to protest against proposed gun-rights legislation—well short of the 50,000 organizers predicted, but still an impressive turnout.
On Monday, hundreds of protesters stood outside the designated protest area with the weapons they fear the Virginia General Assembly will limit."
.....or he's just another lying Leftist, (pardon the repetition),.....or he is both the former and the latter.... my money is on both.
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Then we get this jewel of his moronic "wet pretzel reasoning": "The Second Amendment Does Not Transcend All Others"
Of course moron Epps doesn't have the mental horsepower or the honesty...or, as a Leftist, either one, ....to state the manifestly obvious fact that NONE of the articles of, or amendments to, the United States Constitution "transcend" or preclude the others with the obvious exception of the 21st amendment.
Anyone that paid to take one of that moronic clown's classes or to read one of his moronic and vapid articles should demand their money back.
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Just another Socialist/Progressive who thinks that bad guys will not break laws once the good guys are disarmed. Another academic that drank way too much of the Socialist Kool Aide.
He raised his hand and volunteered to become part of President Trump's legal defense team during Trump Impeachment I, which was contested in 1Q 2020, at the traditional U.S. Capitol Building venue in the District of Columbia. (In case anyone forgot.)
The Hill has just published his Op-Ed, in which he "negs" the National Rifle Association "big time." He takes a verbal "ugly stick" and wields it against the NRA. He has penned—penned, so to speak, because he almost certainly didn't write down the draft by hand, using an ink pen, in this era of keyboards and voice-to-text—a verbal "beatdown" of the NRA. You don't have to read between the lines to see that he disagrees with the NRA, because he's very "in your face" about his not agreeing with the NRA.
I am a lifetime member of both the NRA and GOA. The NRA has been corrupted by the current leadership so I don't give them any credibility anymore. My money and focus is on the GOA.
And be careful with the definitions being thrown around. School shooting conflated with Mass School Shooting mixed with Mass Shooting. Media outlets are being slick with the terms depending on what they are trying to push.
You can think all you want. But if the country truly felt the way YOU think they felt...
Unlike you Todd, I don't think in terms of all or none. Where I come from, people are individuals. I suspect there are at least a few Americans who don't ascribe to every "value" mentioned on a 300 year old piece of paper.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Matter of fact, you still have to swear an oath to Queen Elizabeth 2nd if you file for Canadian citizenship.
I certainly have never sworn an oath to the Queen. As far as I'm concerned, the "royal" family can all go jump into the River Thames.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The pledge my daughter takes every morning in school:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
The additional pledge my daughter took every morning when she lived in Texas:
"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible."
And I recall back in the early 60's in elementary school, we all stood and sang God Save The Queen first thing in the morning. We may've even had to recite The Lord's Prayer. Sorry, but the brainwashing attempt failed miserably.
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Originally posted by Hudini:
Do you have a point about the tightly controlled media in China?
You're the one who felt it necessary to bring up China. Perhaps you'd like to make a point?
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Originally posted by Fats:
Once you stop advocating for the rape and murder of children you can join the discussion.
Perfect example of why any form of rational "discussion" is absolutely pointless here.
Unlike you Todd, I don't think in terms of all or none. Where I come from, people are individuals. I suspect there are at least a few Americans who don't ascribe to every "value" mentioned on a 300 year old piece of paper.
Hi Patrick, that's what I'm trying to tell you. It doesn't matter what those few Americans think, say, or want. Unless the majority of the house, 60/100 of the U.S. Senate, and 3/4ths of the state legislators decide that the second amendment needs to be overturned, then gun ownership is here to stay, forever.
So is automobile and truck ownership, but if you try to register a Formula 1 race car for driving on public roads... not happening.
That doesn't mean law breakers won't put that race car on the street (illegally) or buy an unlicensed a gun. Another likely to happen. Some folks seem to forget that the criminal element doesn't care what the law is. Some actually believe (apparently) that taking away the 2nd Amendment or changing it will make it safer from the bad guys. Sorry, that's kind of like posting "Gun Free Zone" signs. We know how that works, only law-abiding citizens pay attention.
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Criminals don't care about laws. There id a product called a glock full auto switch selector that turns a glock to full auto. It is illegal but gangs still buy and use them.
Originally posted by jdv: Criminals don't care about laws. There id a product called a glock full auto switch selector that turns a glock to full auto. It is illegal but gangs still buy and use them.
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (and Explosives), Where Are You?
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