Was it clutch or tires, I had a slipping "clutch" when I punched it. Until I got new tires
The car sat for 15 years like this, Im sure the clutch had to get worked back in, as well as the brakes. I didnt do any clutch dumping, I took it easy shifting into each gear. and eased into the throttle until floored, through each gear.
when I tried punching it, the clutch definately was slipping, since I wasnt going anywhere... and no... the tires werent squealing either.
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Jay Shipmans 355 powered Fiero would smack your damn head against the back glass all the way through 5th. The silver notch is the 355 powered. They just seem more brutal than a 3800 lol
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Jay Shipmans 355 powered Fiero would smack your damn head against the back glass all the way through 5th. The silver notch is the 355 powered. They just seem more brutal than a 3800 lol
why'd he lose that race against that 3800 then? no traction?
why'd he lose that race against that 3800 then? no traction?
3800 is putting 420 horse to the wheels.....355 is a standard. One was on radials while another was on street tires bla bla bla. Both cars were fast but the 3800 crept out in front. I dunno, that silver car is the only V8 Fiero ive ever ridden in that made my lady parts tingle.
Here are some pictures to justify the experience. 88 Formula that had a fastback conversion. GT decklid has 84 style grille integrated into it. Entire interior was redone with Mr.Mikes leather. 3,xxx on rebuild.
This gem was just one of a few of his possessions such as an airplane and motorcycle of which I also worked on for him.
Since the original post, Mr. Biggins has passed away at 80. Fun loving great guy, has taught me a lot about how to be a business man. The Fiero remains with the family, the motorcycle and plane were liquidated.
My most memorable time with him was when I sat down to take a break after I got done working on his car, and I asked him this: "Mr.Biggins, why would you put a nitrous oxide system in your car, let alone a V8 like this one?" Looking at the car he sighed and then looked to me slowly right in the eyes, with his brows furrowed like I was an idiot and said: "I may be old, but I'm not slow"
rest in peace mr. biggins
EDIT: pic loading issue, check back in a day or two after I try to resolve it. 2nd Edit: issue resolved, enjoy the pics.
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Originally posted by 87antuzzi: One was on radials while another was on street tires bla bla bla.
Huh? Which one was which, then?
Of course, all of those are just excuses. The 3800 is a far better engine for performance in drag races, for a Fiero with a transverse drivetrain, and that's going to be driven on the street. The purple car didn't creep away. It blew the doors off the silver one.
Of course, all of those are just excuses. The 3800 is a far better engine for performance in drag races, for a Fiero with a transverse drivetrain, and that's going to be driven on the street. The purple car didn't creep away. It blew the doors off the silver one.
Actually, it is the trans that is superior and NOT the engine.
Jay Shipmans 355 powered Fiero would smack your damn head against the back glass all the way through 5th. The silver notch is the 355 powered. They just seem more brutal than a 3800 lol
remember Shawn (3800 car) also had hundreds of pounds of tools and camping gear, plus had just driven 4 hours in the summer heat. the purple car blew the other away.
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Originally posted by nosrac: Actually, it is the trans that is superior and NOT the engine.
Even if both cars had the same trans, the 3800 would still win. The torque curve for the 3800 is more suited to drag racing. The 355 could maybe be tuned to produce a similar curve, but it would take a lot more fine tuning to get it there.
I didn't say either engine was superior. They both have their pros and cons. I just said the 3800 setup in transverse configuration is a much better setup for drag racing a Fiero.
Soo. my issue is that the individual pictures even though formatted on my camera to come up as the maximum resolution accepted to post online. the maximum "size" in bytes has been exceeded the max is 307,200 and Im at 326,700 per pic, is there any way to reduce this?
EDIT: I figured it out. pics will be posted in my previous post.
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Of course, all of those are just excuses. The 3800 is a far better engine for performance in drag races, for a Fiero with a transverse drivetrain, and that's going to be driven on the street. The purple car didn't creep away. It blew the doors off the silver one.
Far better for drag racing huh. SBC/LS whatever+4t65e-hd would be a killer combo. Then add some boost! The manual trans kills the fiero in a drag. To much clutch disengaged time were as an auto is constantly putting power down.
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ARCHIES JUNK IS FASTER THAN SHAUNNA'S JUNK
12.3 is faster than a 13.2
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Far better for drag racing huh. SBC/LS whatever+4t65e-hd would be a killer combo. Then add some boost! The manual trans kills the fiero in a drag. To much clutch disengaged time were as an auto is constantly putting power down.
Yes, but the auto trans still has its limits, and they're very easy to exceed with the stock LS engines. Just ask all the guys with turboed LS4s in their cars who keep sheering input shafts or worse. But then when you spend $10-15 grand to get a fully race prepped and professionally built 4t65e-HD, you're probably going to break an axle or two, which can shred things up pretty badly when you launch at 6000 RPM.
Sure, building a V8/4t65 combo could do it. But the 3800 will do it cheaper, and more reliably, with less work. And that 355 is not making all that much power, either.
And if clutch disengaged time is your hallmark excuse, then I just say learn how to shift faster. Proper torque curve on an engine that makes the right power, combined with good driving, will make up for the tiny amount of time lost to the clutch disengagement.
OK... that race... not only was it Amish country, it was also down hill.
Jay's silver car was a 3.65 4 speed manual speed with a warmed over carbed 355 and drag radials... who knows how much power it was making, but it's not slow.
The purple car is Purple Reign's 3800SC on street 19s... with an Eaton MP112 supercharger, intercooler, cam and full headers running E-85 through a built 3.69 4T65e-HD. Missing a few heavy parts... It's not slow either.
The first race Shawn had been screwing around with his scanner and the car never shifted out of 2nd, he also had major traction issues... I have a slow mo video somewhere that shows the wheelspin... it's quite cool.
The second race which is what Antuzzi posted, Shawn's car ran as expected and whooped Jay. Either way, they both walked away with huge smiles on their faces.
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Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: Far better for drag racing huh. SBC/LS whatever+4t65e-hd would be a killer combo. Then add some boost! The manual trans kills the fiero in a drag. To much clutch disengaged time were as an auto is constantly putting power down.
Originally posted by Frizlefrak: The first time is always the best.
I don't agree. For me, the last time was the best...but I think part of the reason was that the owner wasn't with me, so there was never any of that nervous "what's he going to think of the way I am driving" feeling. Now to protect myself...I really didn't do anything I wouldn't have done with him in the passenger seat, but I am sure you all know the feeling I am talking about.
Guess I have to tell about the situation. I had just dropped Trinten's car off at Fieroguru's place for his current upgrades. Fieroguru was going to give Whiteandnerdy27 a ride in his LS4 car (12.896 per the above posts), so I decided to follow him in Trinten's car (12.658 per the above). I was in third gear when Fieroguru got on it in second. Rather than downshifting, I just mashed the throttle from about 2k rpm...pulled all the way through 3rd, and just grabbed 4th when Fieroguru let off. I was kind of surprised how well I hung with him considering I was in the wrong gear to start. I wasn't looking at the speedo on that tight of a road...but according to my speed calculator ( http://www.gafiero.org/speedcalc.shtml ) it was about a 20-110 mph run. That thing is fast at low RPM...and builds up to downright scary once it hits the powerband.
Now back to the V8 vs V6 argument. Yes, you can get speed for cheaper with a 3800. But some people just want a V8. An auto may be a better drag transmission, but some of us really like that third pedal. Lets forget about the direction people have chosen to go and respect them for how they get there.
The V8 sound is nice I admit, before buying my cobalt I was looking at getting a GTO with the 6.0 for the sound, but gas mileage and what not came into play All in what you prefer
my friend tells me time and time again, oooh we need to drop your 3800 and get you a v8 we'll kill your time. I ran 12.7@112-113 no slouch... could I have done better yeah... has the car done better yeah not me driving and I'm running on 7 year old wheel tire combo package, tires I hate with a passion and bad coil pack that makes the car surge randomly.
would I take a v8 fiero yeah I wouldn't kick it outta bed
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The V8 sound is nice I admit, before buying my cobalt I was looking at getting a GTO with the 6.0 for the sound, but gas mileage and what not came into play All in what you prefer
my friend tells me time and time again, oooh we need to drop your 3800 and get you a v8 we'll kill your time. I ran 12.7@112-113 no slouch... could I have done better yeah... has the car done better yeah not me driving and I'm running on 7 year old wheel tire combo package, tires I hate with a passion and bad coil pack that makes the car surge randomly.
would I take a v8 fiero yeah I wouldn't kick it outta bed
^^^^^ What he said! The 3800 motor is a stout engine and i love that supercharger! I also love me a SBC . I don't think you could go wrong with either engine in a fiero. I mean i think we all can agree anything is better than a 2.8.
Originally posted by CowsPatoot: Now back to the V8 vs V6 argument. Yes, you can get speed for cheaper with a 3800. But some people just want a V8. An auto may be a better drag transmission, but some of us really like that third pedal. Lets forget about the direction people have chosen to go and respect them for how they get there.
To clarify, I was not creating, nor making, an argument about V8 vs V6. I was simply making a statement of utility.
For the record, I am building a V8 car (LS4/F40 similar to fieroguru's build), not a 3800. I don't think I'd ever build a 3800. It's a fine engine, and I am simply recognizing and restating that here. It's just not something I'd do personally, because there wouldn't be any particular challenge in building one, for me.
Also, I would not build a street driven sports car that had an automatic. It just wouldn't feel right to me. As you said, some of us really like that third pedal. But on the same note, I wouldn't build a car for drag racing, with a manual. I'd also probably just not build a Fiero for drag racing, unless it was just a Fiero body on a purpose built tube chassis, and I'd probably build it to run low 6 second 1/4 times. But that's just me.
I like them all. I've driven both and a lot of swaps and they all can be fast or not so fast. I guess it's how deep your pockets are and what your flavor is. I'm old school and like the V8 sound the most, not the V12, V10, V6, V4, or the inline motors. However I have seen some very fast non V8, flats & inline cars, airplanes and boats.
Something about the V8 timing I like, thats just me.
Even if we're all playing with different jerseys on we still are playing the game.. After all it would be boring if all we had to choose from was blonde.
Rides: 85 Fiero Gt, Green "Grasshopper", 86 Fiero GT, Blue, V8 " Snapperhead" 2013 Fierorama Best of Show Non-Stock, 87 GT Met Orange, 88 Formula White stock soon to be 4.9 met Blue like Snapperhead--- 10 Camaro, 99 K2500 Suburban, 04 Trailblazer
EDIT: ALSO, my first time I drove it like I stole it, how else am I supposed to shake it down to see if she needs anything if I don't go all the way with her? BUT I digress, I went all out on the motor without the nitrous armed.
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^^^^^ What he said! The 3800 motor is a stout engine and i love that supercharger! I also love me a SBC . I don't think you could go wrong with either engine in a fiero. I mean i think we all can agree anything is better than a 2.8.
Hey, I like my 2.8! I know it's not the fastest, but it's still fun, and it's sure as heck better than a 2.5!
